Moog Subsequent 25 Analog Synthesizer - Daniel Fisher
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Daniel Fisher, Sweetwater's mangler of Moogs, demonstrates the Subsequent 25 featuring a silky keybed with enhanced playability, a high-powered headphone amplifier for live monitoring, and analog signal path embellishments that significantly expand your sonic palette. From behemoth basses to lashing leads to posh pads, the Subsequent 25 is a serious performers’ synthesizer with the hands-on control you need to inject serious expression into your live keyboard performances.
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0:00 - Intro and First Performance
0:31 - Moog Subsequent 25 Overview
1:50 - What's Been Updated vs. Sub Phatty?
2:25 - Subsequent 25 Editor
2:47 - What is Duophony?
3:42 - Duophonic Demonstration
4:21 - Moog Lowpass Ladder Filter
5:41 - Lowpass Sweep with Source Audio Delay
6:17 - Making "Music" - Real-time Performances
14:54 - Thanks for Watching!
#Sweetwater #Moog #Sub25
What I love about Daniel's demos is that its more about creating melodies and showing ideas which you can create on a synth , unlike other peole who just keep on aimless knob twisting which devprives you from being inspired of what a synth can do
The knob twisting tells me what a synth can actually do, the playing on the other hand just shows me what the player can do, but that's just me :)
Mostafa El-Sayed I hear you man. Some synth reviews are just so painful. It’s cool they’re there for people but I agree getting a good idea how they could be utilized doesn’t come through as well
Mostafa El-Sayed: YES. The whole point of using a synth is music-making, and so a demo that is actually musical is inspiring as well as entertaining.
This synth does not sound like the Subsequent 37. I own both. I bought the 25 from Sweetwater then wanted more, so I bought the 37 from Sweetwater.
When everything is tamped down, they sound somewhat similar. As soon as you crank them up, the 25 goes into very gnarly and beautifully strange places.
The 37 is smoother, and when cranked up, cannot go the places where the 25 goes. It’s lovely, but *they are not the same in regards to the sound.*
I prefer the sound of the 25 more.
I kept them both.
Great video!
Holy hell Daniel, this sounds amazing and your enthusiasm is palpable.
Wow. A beast indeed. When you switched in that effects box at 10:00, Daniel, I was blown away!
Good demonstration Daniel Fisher. Keep up the great work.
Great demo vid. Like was said before, this shows more what it's capable of instead of just twisting knobs out of context. Shows it's musical capabilities. Well done.
E.
I like watching Daniel's videos. He would have a blast demoing a MIDI cable and I would probably get that one. I think this thing will sell for people that want to get some old-school moog into their sound with a self-contained unit. Like if a band wants to add synth basslines/leads/fills, guitar people's studios or for a live looper person, w/e. IMO, it's the right price for a moog keyboard and it does sound nice. As for me, I think DF had even more fun with grandma and the matriarch, so I would make the money jump and roll with granny before I got this little beast.
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Just ordered this from Sweetwater
My third Moog in my lifetime
40 years ago the Rado Shack MG1
Then the Moog theremin 16 years ago
Now the Sub 25
My fourth synth from Sweetwater in 2 years
Behringer Deepmind 12
Korg Wavestate
Behringer Odyssey
Moog Subsequent 25
Boo yaaaaa
Totally stoked
Love Sweetwater
Sounds Great! excellent as always Mr. Fisher!
Who else thinks of Regular Show when he sweeps the filter 5:14
hmph hmph
me lol
The best.
I'm sold on this. I'm definitely copping one asap!
Finally a good demo of this instrument!
Sitting here in awe of this man
Amazing synth! They've even sacrificed about 4-5 keys to make a solid "pad place" for your left arm. So now you can lazily place it there and tweak the wheels with all that comfort you ever wanted! That's my slogan, guys.
Daniel is truly a synth wizard!
It's just adorable
I’m glad moog still has plans for its subsequent technology. I hope those plans include a subsequent 44 with 1 more oscillator, lfo, envelope, and stereo filter from the voyager. They haven’t made anything to fill the “flagship mono” gap when they gave the voyager the boot.
I love hearing Daniel playing a bunch of the presets I created for the factory bank and editor. This synth is a true beast without a doubt!
Love the footprint! Obviously sounds amazing.
I couldn't agree more.
Seriously considering now! Can’t choose though, there are so many good ones
Daniel is the best!
5:47 is my kind of ASMR.
Lovely Demo
Opinion on this synth seems to be pretty split. Personally, I like it. I’ve wanted a Sub Phatty for a while and I’ve played one many times. They’re really well built, intuitive, and sound great. This takes that, adds duo mode, harder distortion, and more head room. Seems like a win from my point of view but I understand the criticisms. The only thing I wish it had is the second LFO from the Sub37, or at least the same features of the 37s LFO for the one on board. That is, the extra mod buses and sources/destinations. It would add a lot of modulation for not a lot of extra money or space. That said, I’ll still probably get it. There really is some magic in Moog’s synths that you have to hear in person.
Just get the sub 37, you'll freakin love it...
4:05 I had a flashback to my childhood playing Metroid. Sounds amazeballs
I like this sound.. seems great for trippy basses and some killer leads.. still ain't parting with my Sub Phatty.. sounds a bit deeper so I need both.
ChazSeamus28 RIGHT!
Nice demo; sounds awesome...like SubPhatty with extras : D
Hi Arthur. It's not only like a Sub Phatty with extras, it is a Sub Phatty with extras. Thanks for watching!
I love my Moog's but, it's kind of the same thing over and over.. Buzz bomb after Buzz bomb. 😁 With that said, nothing sounds as good as a Moog Ladder Filter and this is great for anyone wanting to get into synths, or a keyboard for bass duties on a gig but, I am not sure they hit the price point with this one. Awesome Synth work (as always) Daniel!
What a beast! (Also valid for that little synth 😋).
Very Moog, classic. Great synth overall. Actually it can be a very good synth for people start learning synthesis, because the functions is enough for play around but not overwhelm compare with other synth today.
I dont have any further questions, just a request... More Videos!!!
OMG I'm not even listening at high volume but at 5:23 my whole body is vibrating, it's nuts! I guess I'm resonating with the Moog filter and I have to buy one?
Hi Roberto. You should have been in the room when I made that video. It was glorious!!! -_Daniel_
I’d love to throw the keeley eccos pedal into the signal chain with this synth!
hi daniel ,great demo indeed ,i got a lot of pleasure to listen to that .whoooooooooooooo, but my subphatty is looking mad at me
and i told him to relax cause i would never let it down
Very nice synth. Very growly like some of Aurturia's 'Brute' lineup. Not quite as creamy as some of the other Moogs but still a very very nice synth.
Me want!
Damn...Dave makes the 25 sing! I can’t make up my mind now. The 25 and 37 have a buzzy modern quality that also manage the unmistakable Moog sound, where as the Grandmother sounds more vintage with brighter tone. I can’t decide. I think I prefer the edgier sound of the 25/37 but the Grandma has the reverb, arp and sequencer for slightly more than the Subsequent 25. I would have bought any of these by now but I’m left confused on what is the best sound & best value for the price. I can only have one of them for a while. 🤷♂️
Did you ever end up with a Moog? If so, share your story a bit please? I’m having a difficult time choosing between the Subsequent 25 & grandmother. I’m a bass player in a funk/jam/rock band and would love a mono synth for some extra flavor. I know I would be satisfied with either. 25 is probably more gig friendly, but I’m highly interested into going down the (semi)-modular road…and I’m sure the GM will be able to provide the bass I need. I also feel that the GM will be manageable for my gig needs with some notes/prep, because it will be used sparingly being that I’m the bass player and we are only a trio.
Amazing !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sold! Gotta have one.
Thats so Gangster I ordered mine today.
Nice sounds! Would have liked to hear with the Subharmonicon... how well do they play together?
Hi Valdis Krebs. This sounds like a stock answer, but honestly, Moogs sound great combined with anything... Including other Moogs! -_Daniel_
I like this. Period
11:33 Sold
Maybe get a flat table to play on ? (if you don’t want it to seem inexpensive, which it isn’t...)
just perfect for psytrance!
this synth pleases me
I'm so freaking torn on this synth. For a little more money, there's the Grandmother, which sounds awesome and has a layout that I really like a lot. It's also got the arp, sequencer, and spring reverb. At the same time, the spring reverb to me seems a little bit one-dimensional. That is, you get that spring reverb sound, and the ability to mix it dry or wet, and that's about it. And I'm sure the sequencer is nowhere near as comprehensive as that on the Subsequent 37. But then again, the Grandmother is actually a really cool option for feeding audio through, and it's got that LFO that can be used as a third oscillator, and I love hardware that offers that kind of flexibility.
But man, the Subsequent sounds so much more raw and unapologetic. I love it. It can do smooth, creamy vintage sounds just fine, but it can also go to 11 or even more. And it does so in a way that sounds like a Moog. If only the 25 had the sequencer, or at least an arp, I think I'd buy it immediately, because I really like the implementation on the 37. It gives it that extra edge. I can live without the reverb, since I'm pretty sure I'd prefer the variety of settings an external effect gives me (love that you used the Source Audio Nemesis, great stuff), but it's kinda cool that the Grandmother has it there to throw in on a whim, if for no other reason than ease of experimentation.
Having said all that... yes, the sequencer and arp are really what is throwing me for a loop. I love the styling of the Grandmother, its sounds, and the semi-modular capabilities. But I like this synth engine better. Am I willing to make the compromise of fewer keys and knobs, and forego the Grandmother experience, to go with the 25? Without the arp and sequencer? Argh, I can't decide! The Grandmother is absolutely an instant classic. But man, the duo mode on the Sub is awesome. Lots of people want to push one over the other, but I think they're both great synths and it's awesome that we have the opportunity to buy them!
Sounds like you need both!
What'd you end up going with?
@@joelsilva6689 I still haven't decided (it's a lot of money for me either way!). But I will say this: the sequencer on the Subsequent 37 is pretty awesome, albeit to get maximum use out of it, you need to use the computer software. That said, that's kind of the thing with the Sub 37/25, they're more "modern" synths that benefit from having the power of that software.
The Grandmother is the better synth if you want a stand-alone, hands on synth and I love the semi-modular qualities, but I'd more than likely end up sequencing it using something other than the on-board sequencer. I'd say the same thing about the spring reverb.
Ultimately I think the Sub 25 will be the more interesting synth for me, because it's not dead set on recreating a classic Moog sound. Both sound phenomenal, don't get me wrong, but I think I already have Grandmother territory covered with the Model D and other effects. Hence, the Sub 25 would be the winner, if only it had at least a few more keys and that sequencer. Really, it's the sequencer that kills the 25 for me. If it had it, I'd probably have already bought it by now.
I will likely either just save up more to get the 37, or consider a different synth altogether (maybe an Argon8 or Hydrasynth or something like that). But honestly, if the 25 or Grandmother suits your needs, I think either one of them are pretty great for the price (I feel the 37 is a bit too expensive).
@@rars0n I completely agree with you. I was in the same predicament as you, my friend. I ended up going with the Subsequent 25 and a Keystep 37 to get the extra keys, sequencer and arp. I was able to get all the features I wanted and stay just under the $1000 mark. I'm very much in love.
@@joelsilva6689 That's not a bad option at all! I kind of wish Moog would make a desktop version without keys! I was even thinking about that when typing my previous reply.
I have to admit though, I'm still pretty impressed by the sequencer on the 37. This is the video that absolutely sold me on it:
ua-cam.com/video/WBDsutYnsiY/v-deo.html
Really dumb question: For this demo, what is the computer doing (if anything?) Can all of this be achieved on the unit (It IS hardware, right?) without the mac? Just curious. Thanks! Almost sold on this! Like a thread away! :)
“There’s nothing like sweeping a Moog filter” ...ain’t that the damn truth!
hes sweeping to low
Adding ping pong delay is always a bonus imo.
I like sweeping filters so much I started whole sub for it on reddit, ha ha.
@@impurfekt What's the name of the sub?
@@DamienDrake Filtersweep. Not sure what it's been up to as I no longer use reddit (censorship became unbearable).
10:16 totally sounds like Bell Laboratories by The Drums !
question is there a difference between the sound of the sub 25 and subsequent 37 ? (oscillators filters and vcas)
This ol guy got mad rhythm.
Mad like a turtle. Thanks for watching!
Ah....Jedi Master Fisher ! The Moog is strong in you...
Is it just me, or this 25 sounds less harsh than the 37? I love it. Can you please comment on this? Thank you for your excellent reviews!!
Hi TechtronicMountain. If I had to state a difference, I'd say that the 25 sounds a bit bigger on the bottom end. But the more accurate answer is that it comes down to which presets were randomly selected and how they were played in each video. Thanks for watching! -_Daniel_
Do you have to connect via USB to use the editor software with the sub25? Can you use via the 5 DIN Midi instead?
Hi Yeppy. I don't have one here to test but, I would bet that you can go from the Sub's 5-pin MIDI In aOut to your computer interface's 5-pin MIDI Out and In with no problems. You'll just have to chose the name of your interface on the editor's MIDI Assignments, instead of SUB 25. -_Daniel_
Any idea if patches created on the 37 will map on to the 25? Would be great to be able to program on the big boy and bring this one out for performance. Of course not all would work, but even if a large subset would it could really be nice.
Hi Glen. The Subsequent 37 is an upgraded Sub 37. The Subsequent 25 is an upgraded Sub Phatty. The architecture of the 25 and 37 have always been different such that there isn't a way to load a preset from one into the other. But... you certainly could do it by hand, matching the parameters that *are* found on both models.
I figured as much. But yeah, duh, just make the patch and save it!
I would of got this but the key board is well two short for me ,,,,,
It sounds nice, but, it's a bit pricey for a 1 lfo/mod bus synth with only 25 keys and no arpeggiator or sequencer. Also, some of the functions inside the editor could have had a dedicated button. There is space for some of these under each envelope pot - of course that would require a re-design of the board, something that they have partly avoided. It's a shame that this synth is priced so close to the Subs37 , yet, it differs so much in terms of interface design and important modulation features.
Newbie here. I would like to learn how to use one of these synthesizers. What do I need to make music? I know this is a strange question. You need the unit and what else? Appreciate your answers.
just a PA speaker and a cord to connect them. that is it.
www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/ZLX15BT--electro-voice-zlx-15bt-1000w-15-inch-powered-speaker-with-bluetooth
Hi Onecent. My "SYNTH CLIPS" video tutorial series will certainly help with that:
ua-cam.com/play/PLlczpwSXEOybYYaBCTcjxxKz1QmxytbIf.html
-_Daniel_
Wow!
After being sad that the subphatty got discontinued.. this made me very happy
You can still find a Sub phatty in good condition for around 500.. thinking about selling mine for this cuz that's how I roll..lol.. but it's going to be tough to let go.. Sub phatty sound a bit deeper than subsequent 25.
@@ChazSeamus28 i got my subphatty since 2013 and i do not sell mine too ,why for ? ask to robert moog , a minimoog is monophonic not duophonic .the subphatty was a kind of minimoog for musician who can not afford the big stuff
The sub phatty had a long good run though
@@menacerisamir198 I pretty much learned synthesis on my sub phatty.
Thank God this came out! I love this new design! A++++++++++++++++++++++++++
What is the difference between this one and the sub 37? (beside having less keys)
Hi jokes Bokes. The Subsequent 25 is the Sub Phatty with an improved keyboard, higher headroom, louder headphone amp, re-voiced audio path, a black panel, a pair of wooden sides, and the DUO mode for two-note paraphony. The Subsequent 37 has all that, plus many more patch locations, a second Mod section, an arpeggiator, a sequencer, aftertouch, a display screen, and many more under-the-hood features. Thanks for watching!
@@sweetwater I'm interested in these because of the drive, I have the One and that is the only thing I'm missing on it. Or would adding an external drive pedal/rack be a more interesting option? (I had the analog heat in mind)
10:03 yeah!!!
Does anyone know of a 3rd party that sells patches for this little guy?
Is this a smaller version of the Subsequent 37?
Hi Bully Dully. It's not based on the Sub 37 or the Subsequent 37. The Subsequent 25 is the Sub Phatty with an improved keyboard, higher headroom, louder headphone amp, re-voiced audio path, a black panel, a pair of wooden sides, and the DUO mode for two-note paraphony. Thanks for watching!
This sounds good but for some reason it doesn't sound as alive as my sub phatty does to me, even listening to UA-cam videos of the sub phatty compared to this video, especially the Sweetwater video of the sub phatty, I'd love to hear a side by side of the two but am very glad this cane out as I was sad they discontinued the sub phatty as it is one of my favorite synths and thought moog gave up on it, I actually picked the sub phatty over the 37's as I preferred the sound of it much more even with less features
Hi thirfy tash. I just randomly choose presets and jam on them as I feel that it's the most fair way to demo a synth, as opposed to cherry picking presets. But having spent time with both, I promise that the Subsequent 25 can do everything a Sub Phatty can do and much more. Thanks for watching!
@@sweetwater like I said I'd love to hear a side by side with equal settings and also seeing what more the 25 can do beside duophony, a promise that it can do more without proof does not really do it for me, but that'd be a cool video from you guys! I'm just basing my opinion on the videos I've seen so far on the sub 25 and to me it doesn't sound as alive as the videos I've seen of the subphatty (and also playing with my subphatty) , maybe it's the change in headroom? I hope for my opinion to change in future videos as I'm very glad they're continuing the phatty line and want the 25 to make me as excited as I was when I heard the sub phatty!
Why would they lessen the amount of keys instead of increase them?
zodiatube you can get the subsequent 37
That's what I mean. From the 37, they created a 25.
they haven't discontinued the 37 and you can still buy it. i think they're discontinuing the sub phatty (25 keys) and are selling these in its place
Hi zodiatube. The Subsequent 25 wasn't created from the Sub 37. It has exactly the same number of keys it had before the upgrade. The Subsequent 25 is an update of the Sub Phatty with an improved keyboard, higher headroom, louder headphone amp, re-voiced audio path, a black panel, a pair of wooden sides, and the DUO mode for two-note paraphony. Thanks for watching!
I freaking love my Subsequent 37. It is an extension of me.
Does this and subsequent 37 sound the same? I have impression that 25 is darker and fatter.
Hi Konrad. I certainly can't say that you're wrong. Given the short length of time that I had the Subsequent 25, I wasn't able to set the two side-by-side for a scientific comparison. But... after every take during the video shoot, I'd turn to the crew in the room and go "whoa!" (or the less PC equivalent) because it was just soooo big.
How does this compare to the Behringer Poly D, please?
Beast
YUP! -_Daniel_
So there is one function that's very basic that produces baselines i like its velocity controlling the cut off and all i see is inputs for velocity and no velocity out ??? for 1000 bucks a lot of synths miss this very simple trick
Hi Sco B. On the Moog Subsequent 25, you can apply Note On Velocity to Filter Envelope Amount, and Filter Decay/Release Times, and Amplifier Envelope Amount, and Filter Decay/Release Times, all at the same time, with each of those parameters having their own values relating to Velocity response... per preset. And it can all be done from the front panel (no menu diving). Thanks for watching! -_Daniel_
Where can I find that wallpaper on your laptop?
Hi ARIYAS. That's a picture of my friend's analog rig. Just search "Erik Norlander" and you will find it.
Thanks so much! I bought my Moog Subsequent 37 from Sweetwater - I just added this video to our Moog Moog SUBSEQUENT 27 & 25 fan group: facebook.com/groups/moogsubsequent37/
Wth happened to the sequencer/Arpeggiator How do I get To that??
Hi John. The Subsequent 25 is an update of the Sub Phatty, which never had a sequencer or arpeggiator. There are no new knobs, buttons, or additional sections added to the Sub Phatty's panel that would be required for you to get to the Sub 37's sequencer. So, nothing happened to the sequencer or arpeggiator. It is simply the Sub Phatty with an improved keyboard, higher headroom, louder headphone amp, re-voiced audio path, a black panel, a pair of wooden sides, and the DUO mode for two-note paraphony. Thanks for watching!
Just use an Arturia Keystep
Does the Subsequent 25 have aftertouch?
Hi Martin. Neither the Subsequent 25, or the Sub Phatty that it's based on, has aftertouch. Thanks for watching!
@@sweetwater Thank for the reply. It is a good looking Synth.
14:20 Ian Hammer Style!
Is that Jan's brother? :-)
Thanks for watching! -_Daniel_
Where's the rest of it??
Hi again John. The Subsequent 25 has exactly the same number of keys, knobs, buttons, and jacks as the Sub Phatty, of which the Subsequent 25 is an upgrade to. Thanks for watching!
What’s the delay pedal?
Source Audio's Nemesis
How about a matriarch 25 I will downsize! Shout out to Kris Eckman for outstanding sales and service.
JVMC grandmother?
Luke Creel I had one for a few months and I would chose the grandmother over this one, grandmother is more vintage sounding and has arp and step sequencer
I just bankrupted myself for a Matriarch, so now I have to go deeper and deeper in debt. But, Moog. All naysayers need to own a Moog or two to understand just how good they sound. It ain't software, and it ain't no clone.
Mark Burgh Does an analog synth, such as this, produce more authentic sound compared to a vst?
@@jacoboviedo2806 This advantages are numerous - hands on real time control, true flexibility, true sound design, true ease of use, true analog sound - no digital reproduction will match real analog oscillators and a real filter. Yes, VSTs are good, yes, they are cheaper, and yes, they do sound good. But not as good as the real thing. If you don't want to spend 2000 for this unit, you can buy a Behringer Model D for less that $200 and listen to the real deal mess and squelch of a real synth. And now, unlike BITD, you can sync these new units via midi or usb midi to your DAW. It's paradise.
@@SRV2013 Thank you for that info. Are you familiar with the sub phatty? I've heard that is a good synth. I'm really thinking of either getting the Subsequent 25 or the sub phatty. Do you have some synths that you would recommend ?
@@jacoboviedo2806 Either one would be great. All depends on what you can afford. I've been thinking about the Subsequent 25 myself, although I'm also waiting for the new clones from Behringer too.
Wheres your music !!
Can you compare it to the 37?
Hi carlo. The Subsequent 25 is the Sub Phatty with an improved keyboard, higher headroom, louder headphone amp, re-voiced audio path, a black panel, a pair of wooden sides, and the DUO mode for two-note paraphony. The Subsequent 37 has all that, plus many more patch locations, a second Mod section, an arpeggiator, a sequencer, aftertouch, a display screen, and many more under-the-hood features. Thanks for watching!
Sweetwater is there a difference between the Subsequent 37 vs Sub25 vs Sub37 filter?
@@shawnsaul7759 Hi Shawn. I believe that the 1,2,3, and 4-pole Low Pass Filter is the same on all Subsequent synths. Thanks for watching! -_Daniel_
I want
My 37 is getting all motherly..Easy girl!
If you dont own any phatty or sub moogs then this thing is a great buy. It sounds much tamer than the subphatty though, not as rich in the harmonics, but that makes sense for the new features.
Hi BlackLeo. I guess I didn't play the best presets to show that the Subsequent 25 is, without doubt, more intense than the Sub Phatty. But I can assure you that it is. Thanks for watching!
8:35 Frankenstein
Hasn't it arpeggiator?
Hi Analog Synthesizer. It hasn't.
-_Daniel_
It’s Still A Great Product I Just Feel Like It’s Priced Unreasonably.
John Dean Moog products have always been a tad pricier than I would have expected. Maybe it has to do with how they make a lot of their products by hand at their workshop? Idk, whatever the case they still make amazing stuff just that it can make your wallet cry a bit
Yeah... Employee owned company and hand built products. When you own the means of production and your employees own the company, they get paid well. Considering everything they are priced reasonably.
I think it’s sounds great and it’s worth the money, IMO. I really really wish they would’ve added the second LFO of the Sub37 though.
$900 for a moog.. not that expensive compared to many others.
I don’t get comments like these about this synth either. It’s an improved Sub Phatty - a synth that was $999 at release and for years after that. Even once they lowered it, after a few years, it was still $799 and stayed that way until a few months ago. No one complained about its price all this time, but now Moog releases an updated version with duophony, better and grittier distortion, and more headroom for smoother sounds, at $150 less than the price of the original, and all of a sudden it’s exorbitantly priced.
👍🏾👍🏾
Why not 3 Osc
Hi Fj Francois. The Subsequent 25 is an update of the Sub Phatty, which never had a third oscillator. There are no new knobs, buttons, or additional sections added to the Sub Phatty's panel that would be required for it to have a third oscillator. It is simply the Sub Phatty with an improved keyboard, higher headroom, louder headphone amp, re-voiced audio path, a black panel, a pair of wooden sides, and the DUO mode for two-note paraphony. Thanks for watching!
Sweetwater no problem and thank you for your good vídeos
It sounds painfully phat
True Dat! -_Daniel_
That price is ludicrous. Just get a used sub phatty.
@Nicholas Mastro The Sub 25 will only cause them to rise.
it’s duophonic
@ McNastyFilth - Moog makes a quality product and is an employee owned company that actually pays a decent living wage to it’s employees! The price is very fair.
Never tell someone how to spend their own money. I bought two. One for my studio and one for my boat.
Sounds wonderful, but checked the price and Moog are out of their minds...
I get it, they're a "premium" brand...but with all the excellent new synths coming out, there's no reason to spend close to a grand on something like this.
You have recommendations for similar synths that are lower in price?
600-650 would be a much more fair price
@@clarkharrell2227 Korgs' MS-20 and Behringers' Sequential Pro-1 clone are dang close. Different filter circuitry and they don't have that "Duo-fity", I think that's what he said at least, but otherwise they're both similar but in lower price brackets.
[.but with all the excellent new synths coming out, there's no reason to spend close to a grand on something like this.]
The street price will be maybe $799? Is that bad for a Moog Subsequent-style analog? I am a huge fan of Moogs under a grand, just as a principle...
Battle the MS20 can be played duophonically.
same price range as poly d. hmm...
i'd rather the poly D, much more flexible and tbh moog are becoming rather overrated
sbmphr from a musicians point of view, you can make music with either one and they both have their place. I prefer the sound of the Sub25.
They Are Delusional To think At $850 People will choose this over the argon 8 $699
well, you could argue that people who buy hardware synths are delusional since they could just buy a soft synth for less than $200
You’re right I’m just upset they got rid of the sequencer
Right, because those are two comparable synths...
Synths are like books... they might all have the same letters and mostly the same words, but each one is wondrously unique, and opens its own world of imagination and ideas. If you have one, odds are that you'll eventually have a wall full of them. You can never have the right number. Sure you might sell one here or there, but it always gets replaced by something else. Synths are like books!
Hi John. Nothing was gotten rid of. The Subsequent 25 is an update of the Sub Phatty, which never had a sequencer or arpeggiator. There are no new knobs, buttons, or additional sections added to the Sub Phatty's panel that would be required for it to have the Sub 37's sequencer. It is simply the Sub Phatty with an improved keyboard, higher headroom, louder headphone amp, re-voiced audio path, a black panel, a pair of wooden sides, and the DUO mode for two-note paraphony. Thanks for watching!
16 patches. In 2020.
Lol there are tons of synths don’t have any patch memory. What’s your point?
@@HotStrange I've owned a ton of synths with no patch memory. But if you're going to have path memory and 8 patch buttons, why only have 16 slots? Why not make use of all 8 buttons and do 64 slots?
impurfekt I’m sure there’s some kind of limit with the processing power and components used but who knows? I can see where you’re coming from but IMO, on a synth this simple, it’s not such a huge deal. 16 is enough slots for a gigs worth of presets.
I would have rather seen Moog do an analog vocoder/string machine with built in analog Chorus/Phaser and call it Moog Siren.
it would be hard to do that since they have a synth called sirin. that would be pretty nice though
This guy makes me think of Alec Baldwin in F.R.I.E.N.D.S.
Used SubPhatties go for 500-550, but hey this has a black faceplate.
...and DUO mode, and a better keyboard, and higher headroom for DUO mode, and a louder headphone amp, and more Drive, and wooden end caps, and a two-year Sweetwater warranty. But yes, used Sub Phatties are nice too. Thanks for watching!