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900w at 12v is 75A... The 2 times 30v/15A lines will draw 75A from the alternator/crank battery 12V line. This is the same for the AC inverter, so no saving in wire gauge.
Nice. The only thing, other than the 20% loss for the inverter (and many claim to be 90% these days), the stress on the battery will be the same between dc 12v, 30v, 48v and ac. If you are pulling 600w (again, other than inverter loss), you are still pulling 50amps off the 12v battery even if that’s converted to 48v dc at ~12.5amps, same holds for 120v ac. But I do really like your idea to simplify the wiring.
@6:00 "I only need a wire that can handle 15A". That's on the output side. The *input* wire needs to handle [450w / alternator voltage], which is probably in the 30-35A range. If you wanted to only run 15A wire the boost converter would need to be under the hood.
You are correct. For anyone reading this, this converter set up will pull at least 30amps from the battery at 12V … so make sure you are using oxygen free copper in min thickness of 8 AWG that is multi-stranded (multi-stranded more resistant to breaking due to temp fluctuations and vibrations over time). Assuming most folks are running about 10 ft from batter to converter (google search for wire gauge to Amp load to length of cable). Also keep positive and negative wire lengths the same for connections (always recommended for electrical power connections).
yeah, the author doesn't know well the stuff... saying that for 900W he needs 30 amps lol. For his "dual" setup of 900W it will require 900/12=75 amps. That's how much he would need to input from the alternator into the converter. Even for the "single" device providing 450W it will be 450/12=37.5 Amps to be pulled from alternator.
I am glad my Power wagon comes with a 400 watt ac inverter. Keeps my power station topped off easily. Ford and the next generation Rams and the 4XE have around 2000 watts AC,
@@joebloggs24 I agree. If you have a power bank with a old style external brick charger they will work fine with the non pure sine wave. Newer ones I use a old power brick to feed the power and that makes it all work.
Im new to this. So 2000 watt inverter hooked up to trucks battery. Then plug in bluetti power station to the AC outlet on the inverter? Is that how it works?
We have used a DC2DC charger from the alternator to a lithium power station since 2016, this regulates the charge. The only issue with the LED power supply is that once it dips below 12v output, most compressor fridges won't operation.
I have a leisure battery connected to my starter battery via a victron dc to dc charger. Cab I do the same setup with the dc to dc inverter coming from my leisure battery?
I have a smart alternator. It pulls from the battery and turns on with a remote trigger switch. Apart from that it's business as usual for the alternator charging if the batter is low.
Interesting. I currently run a Renogy 1000w dc to ac inverter. Charge my ecoflow River Pro at 900w. Problem is that it trips my Delta2 and extra battery. Work around is charge River Pro 2 and then output to Delta 2. May switch over.
I may be wrong, but isnt there a menu on the Delta 2 that lets you rectrict the charge amps- thus it wouldnt trip? (I saw this on a UA-cam video for a powerbank somewhere- it was an EcoFlow or Bluetti, I think. It was on a hidden menu)
Would this charge with car off? If so I think i would need to install a isolator switch. Currently charging with car parked and indleling at 600w using an inverter with jumper cables. I'd be happy with 400W while driving. The Honda pilot battery and alternator should be able to handle it.
Can you go from cigarette lighter to step-up Converter? If not, why? Ok assuming you have to wire from car battery to 30v step-up converter can I charge Delta 2 with car idling instead of while driving and how much stress does the alternator see?
hey, do you know if powerstation Aferiy P210 I can charge with my 1500W car inventer . like plug an inventer to car battery and then inventer to powerstation thru AC plug. I would be very thankful for any info
Hey on the manual my power station says DC 14.6v/Max10A support PV15-25V 150 watts max. Does that mean that 150watts is as high as it will go safely? Because I'm already getting that from the normal charger
Would this work the same with a DC to DC with mppt? If I set my rig up I would be forced to switch back and forth between solar and alt charging. Curious if its been tested with a different smarter Dc to Dc that would switch between alt and solar.
I can't say I've done a ton of research but I was trying to find something to be able to have this and solar plugged in at the same time. I think if I recall it was that the mppt controllers all wanted 12v as the alternator source not 24 or 30v.
I was thinking because the Delta 2 Max has 2 inputs, putting panels on the roof top tent to always keep it feeding something then it gets 450w when driving.
@Casey250 I'm still running the OG Delta 1300 with single solar input. Was a deal I couldn't pass up 😅 and was cheaper then my 2nd batt plan. Thanks for the thoughts 👍
Max output voltage for the dc to dc converter is 30 volts. So 15x30 = 450 watts input to the Delta, which is max input for each xt60i connector on the Deltas. Since he mounts it in the back, if the length of the cable was 15ft then it would have needed to be 4 awg wire. But if he mounted in under the hood less than 2 ft away from battery then he could use 12 awg for the whole thing. Oh, and the connector going into the Delta has to be a xt60i connector with the third pin wired to black. The cable that comes with them the car adapter is not a fast charge cable even though it has an xt60i connector. But the xt60i to the MC4 connector has the third pin wired for fast charging, thus over 8 amps.
@@admiralcrom See this is the confusing parts what you said goes against his presentation on this mod. From what I understand the idea behind this mod is the DC DC converter is going to pull 15-20 amps. The DC to DC converter is then dialed up to push out 30 volts which is 450 watts like you said going into the Ecoflow only the if special connector is used(easy to understand part). You statement seems to go against his statement and I am having trouble understanding the concept. Does the DC DC converter make the extra 300 watts via voltage or is that extra watts provided from the alternator. Does simply changing the voltage via the DC DC converter create extra watts or in the end is the alternator supplying it thus making wiring requirements extremely different? Do watts just appear when the voltage is changed? That converter does not look like it would fare well in an engine bay with its active cooling.
@@admiralcrom Say if I already bought 6 awg cable and Anderson connectors to hook up to the DC DC converter. Could I purchase 4 gauge wire for my initial run and then have an anderson connector reduce down to 6 awg to connect to the converter? My DC DC convertor does not have post terminals is has screw terminals that fit a maximum size of wire of 16mm squared or around 6 awg
I am not an electrical engineer but I will share what I know. Watts are the sum of Amp x Volts. If you want more watts you need to increase the Amps or Volts. This is why this is a voltage converter, it takes your input amps and increases the voltage so the watts are higher. The more amps you have the thicker gauge wire you need. The thickness is determined by the amps and length needed.
Just replace the Jeep Rubicon inverter with a pure sine wave inverter, since the wire is already there. For my 4Runner, the inverter only gets the 400W when it’s in idle, and when I start driving it lowers it to 100W.
When I ran a fridge in my car, I had an auto electrician install a car wiring kit which bypassed the cigarette lighter socket and ran even if the ignition was off.
Electrical theory fail! You will still need to use heavy gauge wire on the input side of the DC to DC boost converter. You could reduce the amount of heavy gauge wire used by wiring the converter closer to the battery. Anything less is a fire hazard. DC to DC boost converters are not 100% efficient either. The Victron spec sheet says 93%.
Nice, but re charging Ecoflow has released a 12/24v converter here in China... Runs 500w into the xt60i solar input... They basically saw everyone doing this, so released their own kit.
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900w at 12v is 75A... The 2 times 30v/15A lines will draw 75A from the alternator/crank battery 12V line. This is the same for the AC inverter, so no saving in wire gauge.
Nice. The only thing, other than the 20% loss for the inverter (and many claim to be 90% these days), the stress on the battery will be the same between dc 12v, 30v, 48v and ac. If you are pulling 600w (again, other than inverter loss), you are still pulling 50amps off the 12v battery even if that’s converted to 48v dc at ~12.5amps, same holds for 120v ac. But I do really like your idea to simplify the wiring.
@6:00 "I only need a wire that can handle 15A". That's on the output side. The *input* wire needs to handle [450w / alternator voltage], which is probably in the 30-35A range. If you wanted to only run 15A wire the boost converter would need to be under the hood.
You are correct. For anyone reading this, this converter set up will pull at least 30amps from the battery at 12V … so make sure you are using oxygen free copper in min thickness of 8 AWG that is multi-stranded (multi-stranded more resistant to breaking due to temp fluctuations and vibrations over time). Assuming most folks are running about 10 ft from batter to converter (google search for wire gauge to Amp load to length of cable). Also keep positive and negative wire lengths the same for connections (always recommended for electrical power connections).
yeah, the author doesn't know well the stuff... saying that for 900W he needs 30 amps lol.
For his "dual" setup of 900W it will require 900/12=75 amps. That's how much he would need to input from the alternator into the converter. Even for the "single" device providing 450W it will be 450/12=37.5 Amps to be pulled from alternator.
I am glad my Power wagon comes with a 400 watt ac inverter. Keeps my power station topped off easily. Ford and the next generation Rams and the 4XE have around 2000 watts AC,
Most of these inverters aren't pure sine wave & have too much variation (
@@joebloggs24 I agree. If you have a power bank with a old style external brick charger they will work fine with the non pure sine wave. Newer ones I use a old power brick to feed the power and that makes it all work.
Im new to this. So 2000 watt inverter hooked up to trucks battery. Then plug in bluetti power station to the AC outlet on the inverter? Is that how it works?
Great Video! Do you have a video hooking up the Victron?
The link to the 12V Power Supply is the same as the Tail Lights and takes you to the tail lights.
I’m thinking of the dual battery Genesis system
We have used a DC2DC charger from the alternator to a lithium power station since 2016, this regulates the charge. The only issue with the LED power supply is that once it dips below 12v output, most compressor fridges won't operation.
Nice! I've been charging mine up at starbucks
Can you charge your power station using the 2nd battery without turning on the engine?
Thanks for the shout out! Nice work!
Is that install video on Patreon as well? If so, I must have missed it.
It is.
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Have you figured out why the diesel acts up yet?and have you had to replace anything super expensive yet like the exhaust from the high mileage
the emissions system was replaced once
Nice camera 😉 looks so good!
I have a leisure battery connected to my starter battery via a victron dc to dc charger. Cab I do the same setup with the dc to dc inverter coming from my leisure battery?
Could you wire a Blue Sea 4366 to that Auxbeam and have USB plugs controlled as well via the EcoFlow through the Waterproof Power Supply?
Can I use this system also when I have a car with a " smart " alternator ??
I have a smart alternator. It pulls from the battery and turns on with a remote trigger switch. Apart from that it's business as usual for the alternator charging if the batter is low.
Will this work in the ecflow rive as well?
Now you can get the new EcoFlow Alternator Charger. DC to DC up to 800w charging for your Delta 2 Max, Delta 2, or Delta Pro.
Did you see the price ?
@@Bob2ldYup, kinda made me gag.
@@Bob2ld409.00 now.
What gauge wire are you using to the converter from the alternator or starting battery.
Pretty sure it was 6awg if memory serves correct.
Interesting. I currently run a Renogy 1000w dc to ac inverter. Charge my ecoflow River Pro at 900w. Problem is that it trips my Delta2 and extra battery. Work around is charge River Pro 2 and then output to Delta 2. May switch over.
I may be wrong, but isnt there a menu on the Delta 2 that lets you rectrict the charge amps- thus it wouldnt trip? (I saw this on a UA-cam video for a powerbank somewhere- it was an EcoFlow or Bluetti, I think. It was on a hidden menu)
Moot point now with new Ecoflow alternator charger!
Would this charge with car off? If so I think i would need to install a isolator switch. Currently charging with car parked and indleling at 600w using an inverter with jumper cables. I'd be happy with 400W while driving. The Honda pilot battery and alternator should be able to handle it.
Can you go from cigarette lighter to step-up Converter? If not, why?
Ok assuming you have to wire from car battery to 30v step-up converter can I charge Delta 2 with car idling instead of while driving and how much stress does the alternator see?
The amps would be too high for that plug.
hey, do you know if powerstation Aferiy P210 I can charge with my 1500W car inventer . like plug an inventer to car battery and then inventer to powerstation thru AC plug. I would be very thankful for any info
Hey man! I can not find the instructional video!
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Did you run it off your starter or leisure battery. I have a spot right next to my leisure battery and would love to put one there.
Its connected right to my main battery. Shuts off using the trigger when the Jeep is off.
Hey on the manual my power station says DC 14.6v/Max10A support PV15-25V 150 watts max. Does that mean that 150watts is as high as it will go safely? Because I'm already getting that from the normal charger
Would this work the same with a DC to DC with mppt? If I set my rig up I would be forced to switch back and forth between solar and alt charging. Curious if its been tested with a different smarter Dc to Dc that would switch between alt and solar.
I can't say I've done a ton of research but I was trying to find something to be able to have this and solar plugged in at the same time. I think if I recall it was that the mppt controllers all wanted 12v as the alternator source not 24 or 30v.
@Casey250 👍 Thx Casey, think I am going to play it safe and go your route with this DC2DC and I'm going to make 2 Anderson plugs to swap when parked.
I was thinking because the Delta 2 Max has 2 inputs, putting panels on the roof top tent to always keep it feeding something then it gets 450w when driving.
@Casey250 I'm still running the OG Delta 1300 with single solar input. Was a deal I couldn't pass up 😅 and was cheaper then my 2nd batt plan. Thanks for the thoughts 👍
Why dont you need to wire for 20 amps? Is it because the solar connector only accepts 15 max?
Max output voltage for the dc to dc converter is 30 volts. So 15x30 = 450 watts input to the Delta, which is max input for each xt60i connector on the Deltas. Since he mounts it in the back, if the length of the cable was 15ft then it would have needed to be 4 awg wire. But if he mounted in under the hood less than 2 ft away from battery then he could use 12 awg for the whole thing. Oh, and the connector going into the Delta has to be a xt60i connector with the third pin wired to black. The cable that comes with them the car adapter is not a fast charge cable even though it has an xt60i connector. But the xt60i to the MC4 connector has the third pin wired for fast charging, thus over 8 amps.
@@admiralcrom See this is the confusing parts what you said goes against his presentation on this mod. From what I understand the idea behind this mod is the DC DC converter is going to pull 15-20 amps. The DC to DC converter is then dialed up to push out 30 volts which is 450 watts like you said going into the Ecoflow only the if special connector is used(easy to understand part). You statement seems to go against his statement and I am having trouble understanding the concept. Does the DC DC converter make the extra 300 watts via voltage or is that extra watts provided from the alternator. Does simply changing the voltage via the DC DC converter create extra watts or in the end is the alternator supplying it thus making wiring requirements extremely different? Do watts just appear when the voltage is changed?
That converter does not look like it would fare well in an engine bay with its active cooling.
@@admiralcrom Say if I already bought 6 awg cable and Anderson connectors to hook up to the DC DC converter. Could I purchase 4 gauge wire for my initial run and then have an anderson connector reduce down to 6 awg to connect to the converter? My DC DC convertor does not have post terminals is has screw terminals that fit a maximum size of wire of 16mm squared or around 6 awg
I am not an electrical engineer but I will share what I know.
Watts are the sum of Amp x Volts. If you want more watts you need to increase the Amps or Volts. This is why this is a voltage converter, it takes your input amps and increases the voltage so the watts are higher.
The more amps you have the thicker gauge wire you need. The thickness is determined by the amps and length needed.
has anyone replaced the jeep/toyota inverter with this to just use the plug
Just replace the Jeep Rubicon inverter with a pure sine wave inverter, since the wire is already there. For my 4Runner, the inverter only gets the 400W when it’s in idle, and when I start driving it lowers it to 100W.
Yes, as long as the inverter is pure sine, the machines should be able to communicate amicably
Just install a permanent system. BCDC charger, house batt… and whatever you want to run off it. You’ll never look back.
Im new to this. How does that work?
Interesting topic.
You claim you're getting over 600 watts charging DC but the River 2 Pro is limited to 220 watts solar charging. How is this possible?
I believe he is using the delta 2 max, which can receive up to 800 watts. He does show a River 2 pro.
Blessing
JK’s have a 110 plug in the Jeep already
When I ran a fridge in my car, I had an auto electrician install a car wiring kit which bypassed the cigarette lighter socket and ran even if the ignition was off.
BaddaBing !⚡️
You can do a 1000 watt or even a 1500 watt pure sign inverter way way easier and your wire gauge size and diameter is extremely over exaggerated.
I see what you did there
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Electrical theory fail!
You will still need to use heavy gauge wire on the input side of the DC to DC boost converter. You could reduce the amount of heavy gauge wire used by wiring the converter closer to the battery. Anything less is a fire hazard.
DC to DC boost converters are not 100% efficient either. The Victron spec sheet says 93%.
Uh! I feels like a maths class!
To quote my friend @kevinnickens - even rock stars have to do math sometimes
You may be teaching people how to cook their batteries!?
naw just charge them
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Your electrical theory is entirely incorrect - do not listen to this advice!
Nice, but re charging Ecoflow has released a 12/24v converter here in China... Runs 500w into the xt60i solar input...
They basically saw everyone doing this, so released their own kit.
Any link to this one?
Oh nice - ill have to keep an eye out for it.
Why don’t you draw your ideas how the whole process work rather talk talk , in the end confused
You want people to subscribe to your channel to look at a vedio that is dirty and rough who do that you got some never you should thank full for people to look at it not the other way around you ant all that besides you got that from someone else