Thanks for stopping by to wrap up this series!! After much research I knew we could get it to work with the newer GFCI protected style of generators! Was a ton of fun working with you guys on this one.
@@capt_ramius You need a 3 pole transfer panel. You need to transfer the 2 hots and neutral to the truck (and sever the connection to the grid on all 3), most generator interlocks just transfer the 2 hots (like mine) and tie the generator into the neutral and ground.
@@JustinKingOffroad Thanks! Just ordered a Lightning and was going to inlet the 240V bed outlet into my panel with interlock, just like this. Guess it’s more complicated than I thought lol.
I’m an electrician, actually for Xcel Energy out in Colorado and recently setup my new house completely off grid. This 7500 watt inverter is more than enough for a house as long as you keep in mind your high draw items such as electric stove, electric hot water heater, if your method of heating is electric, and electric clothes dryer. All or some of these appliances may run on natural gas or propane for you and in that case they won’t pull much power at all. If they are electric you won’t be able to run more than one of these at a time most likely. In an actual power outage if your having trouble with the generator tripping I recommend turning off your water heater if it’s electric as you can’t control when this decides to cycle on. With all these items on propane at my house I’m typically pulling well under 1000 watts and don’t think I could pull more than 4000 watts if I tried. For people with well water, this should run your pump just fine. Another thing to keep in mind is your house has two different phases running through it for 240v appliances such as your high draw electric appliances mentioned above. If your running into issues but know your under 7500 total watts it’s just because your overloading the capability of the inverter for that specific phase so try and keep your power consumption more balanced.
In short, live conservatively. ;) Power only the essentials 1 at a time or 2 if they are low V items. Gas Hot water, gas stove, gas fire place and the rest is super simple/low V to live off of for days. (I know, I have done it) Just the fridge is the priority once you have natural gas taking care of the bare essentials. And that is IMO subjective as well.
Yeah they could have even added more load if they distributed the load more evenly. There was more of a load on line one than line two. If they had the microwave running off of l2 it would have ran fine. It's 3600 watts per leg of 110v power. Another thing that seems a little disambiguous about the Chevy Silverado EV is they are quoting over 10 kilowatts of onboard power but the way it's worded to me seems like you can't pull 10 KW from one power source like you can on the ford. It seems like there's a bunch of outlets and all combined together you can pull a Max of 10 kw.
I'm skeptical about how well the all electric trucks will fare as a truck. But tbh, I think Ford hits the right balance with this hybrid. The generator mode is huge. It has so much practical use.
I love the power on board technology. Wish I could find one locally. I don't need it as I have a generator already, but in a pinch you could lend your truck to provide power in an emergency. Loading and hauling a 10,000-W generator isn't the easiest to ask, so having it built into the truck would be convenient.
except when power is off the local gas stations are out also, so driving your vehicle 100 miles round trip to get fuel isnt the best and shutting off power in between.. hence those of us with propane and natural gas use that for back up generation, I do and im out of power weeks every year due to PGE garbage, and an electric vehicle for me is a fail but a hybrid works great
Just a quick clarification. The interlock switch is so you don’t feed energy back to the utility and electrocute a utility worker trying to fix downed lines etc. Not just so you don’t feed power back to your generator.
Ford needs to build F-250/350 hybrids for truck campers and trailers! These onboard power systems would be perfect for boon-docking and/or full time RV living! Ford should also build a Transit hybrid for van-lifers! GM & Ram needs to build these too!
I bet this video just sold a lot of these trucks. It's got me thinking. Thanks Andre for letting TFL use your truck for so many videos. I love that truck
I remember you charging the i3 and using nearly all 7200 watts. For a few hours! Powering the house overloaded one of the two poles of the trucks 240 @ shutdown while other half of circuit was fine. Ground switching (legit circuit changer) is probably KEY in more ways than one!
Hey You guys need to show how we can power a 30Amp travel trailer so it can be totally self contained while say staying off grid for a few days. That would be very cool!! Love your channel guys!!
Yes! I just picked up my camper and own a hybrid. I haven't tried powering it just yet but want to see someone do it before I just plug it in and go for it lol
Power on board was a major factor in my decision to reserve an F-150 Lightning. I have small homes in both the California desert and the Ozark Mountains that are in areas where outages occur more often than I like. Being able to plug the house into the truck is a huge benefit for this aging hermit.
i could've sawer that original marketing papers said a 15kw inverter ( 100kw battery pack size or so ) and not a 10kw for the house mode and i remember a 125amp charger ( and dc fast chargering at 200+ amps for road tripping ) not a pansy 60 ish amps. o well still sounds like a nice truck but as i remembered some of the spec sheets was nicer options
What makes the F150 hybrid different from other electric pickups is that it has an ICE, not just plug-in electric. That’s what makes it able to act as a generator. With the other electric pickups without ICE, you could only consume the battery capacity, not generate electricity.
That's a worst case scenario assuming you're using the full 7.2kw the truck can output. In the real world it would last much longer than that for powering a house.
The truck shut off the power because only one of the 120V buses was overloaded - the other one still had some capacity. If you had loads that were evenly distributed between the 120V buses you'd be able to power more stuff - the microwave plus the range, etc. Interesting that the LED lights were unhappy. Makes me wonder if the truck doesn't have a "pure sine wave inverter?"
Regardless if the stove was the final straw that tripped the truck , had the loads been better balanced prior to turning on the stove the truck would have handled it just fine. That was the point Mathew was trying to make.
Thanks for sharing how this works. Seems like the power boost is better than the lightning in a disaster since it can recharge its self and could still be driven with depleted batteries.
Lightning provides more power, and reserves a portion for travel of X distance. I would argue that lightning is superior for my use, as with solar power stored at home it is free for me to power my home and drive as well as less maintenance.
@@makinawake9178 That’s a great point on solar. I live under a decent canopy of trees and was told I don’t have enough sun for solar here. I love my trees, but free electric would be nice.
Great video! I'm in love with the ProPower feature. Would be great not to have to haul a noisy generator to track days. Especially overnight when other campers are sleeping.
I’m so happy I saw this. Just got a build date for an F-150 Lightning in May. Have an electrician setup to run a 50amp out for charging and setup a transfer switch for the truck to power home.
Good video Andre. You need a grid disconnect and a 220 inverter. Disconnect from the grid, plug into the circuit breaker via a 220 input. Then turn on the loads that you can support with the source. I have a 220 v AC generator and it works great
Excellent video TFL crew! You guys rock. This hybrid approach is the pragmatic way to saving energy yet giving us truck buyers a versatile and affordable powertrain compared to all electric! TFL do you think Ford and other manufacturers will expand the hybrid or Powerboost offerings and maybe increase battery capacity? We dont want expensive all electric so please please tell the OEMs to listen!!!
I added the larger inverter onto my Pro order recently. Already have the house wired with a transfer switch, reliance, so assume it's going to be plug and play. With a full charge I should be using about 12 KWH per day in a power outage, which gives me 5 or 6 days power until I hit 20 percent charge or so. I have an inverter generator already, so it is going to be demoted to the back up once my truck order arrives.
I would have done a manual transfer switch. You can pick 6 or 10 circuits depending what model you buy. The whole house doesn't need power in an emergency, and when utility comes back on flip it from gen back to line. It is really 300 bucks for 30a 250v 7500w 6 circuit breaker kit.
Pretty awesome feature. I'm sure GM, RAM, and Toyota are kicking themselves for not thinking of it first. Eventually I'm sure they'll have their own versions. It would have been a huge boost for the new Tundra if they could have done something like this before Ford did.
thanks for posting this video, helped me (an electrician) figure out an issue with a generator back feed I installed that works fine with a regular generator but not one of these trucks.
If I understand the display each of the 2 phases from the generator is 3.6kW. The reason the truck shut off was because the microwave and stove are on the same phase (theoretically if they weren’t it would’ve been fine). I never put much thought into the way all my fuses are balanced, but it’s still interesting thing to see
Second time around was MUCH better guys! Always best to do a little research and have someone on hand that knows a thing or two about what you're experimenting with!
I couldn't really tell what you did to bypass the bonded neutral in your panel. Did you install a transfer switch with 6 or 10 circuits? Thanks for the help - don't want to mess this up!
Looks like he turned his main home panel into a sub panel. He separated the neutrals and grounds. The first means of disconnect is now behind his house by the meter.
You guys breezed right over the major issue for most people which is how to solve the switched neutral situation. Most people have their neutrals and grounds bonded right in the main panel, or the first panel after their meter. In this video, you mention the bond is in the meter box itself, but you would need a 'switched neutral' between the meter box and the main panel to permit you to then plug in the truck and not worry about the truck tripping on it's GFCI protection. This is the aspect of your video that will be most important for people watching this and wondering why they cannot achieve what you have successfully done while using a generator interlock. Long story short, maybe defining that you placed your bond location out in the meter box and that you have a switched neutral (and how you switch your neutral) would be helpful!
The truck did something else that wasn't even mentioned in this video. It showed this house has an unbalanced load. To balance this circuit panel is relatively simple. Just swap some of the heavily loaded breakers to the other leg of the 240 volt panel with some lighter loaded breakers such as lights. The panel may not be able to be perfectly balanced because things like fridge and freezer turn off and on. But fridge should be on one leg and freezer on the other leg.
Great video & the more you educate me about the Ford F-150 the more I like it. Not sure if I missed the video on the off-road capabilities of the F-150, but I would really be interested in how it does. As always thank you for taking the time to share your testing & knowledge.
That is quite impressive that you can run that house off the truck!!! And run it it in a manner that is really usable - like you are still on the mains for the most part and of course the house max is about 10,000 watts ( + - ) a bit but when would you ever be running everything at the same time - NEVER,,, so 7200 watts is plenty for like comfortable like your are not off grid at all !!! In an emergence, for sure hardly no emergency with that system..... That's Great!!!! I LIKE IT - I LIKE IT A LOT !!!!!!
Great review, Andrey. If that was my personal truck, I would have been freaking out. LOL. I am considering the Powerboost as the drivetrain in my next truck.
Tbh, you don't need to power "luxury" items during a short out and therefor is extremely easy. Just run a powercord from the truck to everything you need to power (fridge, freezer etc). I take for granted that everyone living in a house in cold climates have a backup heating system (wood stove for example).
Will a would stove heat an entire suburban house like shown? Honest question. There are pipes in various places throughout the house that need protection from freezing, although trickling them would lessen the chance of that.
As much as I love the new lightning, I think the hybrid with the inverter generator is a better choice. In fact, If I could make decisions for the Ford motor Company, every truck starting with the 2024 model year would be a hybrid with a 5KW propower onboard generator as standard equipment. A 10 KW version would be an option for an additional cost.
Nothing wrong with the hybrids you mentioned but I personally think the all electric lightning is the perfect way to go. Still having to purchase gasoline defeats the purpose of an all electric vehicle.
So the hanle prt of cord is your surge protector & semi flex 4/6 way outlets on solid copper line. Then u can attach normal cords onto the semi flex handle line.
Using a break out box you dont have to turn off the MAIN, you can just switch off the circuits you want to go to generator for with the switches in the break out box !!!! Once hooked up, its a piece of cake to select which circuits you want to take off the MAIN,,, simply flip a switch !!!! Basically, every circuit has a double throw switch,,, main or external,,, the box has the plug already in it and its all wired up ready to tie in,,, Home depot sells it and I thing it was like $250 when I got mine,,, each circuit is 30 amp and there are different boxes with more or less circuits, 6, 12, 24 etc.... works for 120 and 240 but less circuits for the 240 than the 120.... You dont have to worry about the MAIN AT ALL since the external circuits you chose are completely disconnected from the MAIN when you flip the switch so if the power comes back on while running a external source,,, nothing happens - its all safe and isolated automatically,,,,, the house power comes back on and the generator circuits stay on generator until you flip the switches back...... this really is the best way and safest way to tie an external power source to a house - YOU CANT MAKE A MISTAKE is what so good about it !!!!! It has meters to show wattage on each leg,,, the thing is great !!!!! Just some info and an idea for ya !!!!
I ran into the same issues. Both the truck and my panel had "bonded grounds" and like was stated, this causes a loop issue and faults. After talking with a few electricians, what we decided to do was to alter my input outlet only. This way the truck keeps everything in tact as well as my main service. But at the input plug we simply disconnected the neutral wire. (Might have been the ground, but only one of the two). This broke the bonded ground from flowing from the truck to the house, and stopping the looping. The house is still properly grounded thru the earth ground and bonding. This allowed everything to work as expected. This is also achieved thru the 4 wire to 3 wire adapters that can be found online, but I have heard some of them are questionable.
Is it safe to do this? I have the same issue at my house. So simply loosen the screw and pull the wire out of the plug? Did you trim the wire back? Thx
@@sundownproperties7621 from a "code" policy, probably not. But the electricians I spoke to said it would be fine. But I'm not an electrician. Maybe one can comment for us. And yes I just loosened the screw, pulled the wire and put a wire nut on it to make sure it did not fall into another contact and cause any issues.
@@robertgreenman8269 Yes correct, when connecting a generator to a house the generator should be configured as a "floating neutral" because the house supplies the bond to make the system actually a "bonded neutral" system. When using exclusively extension cords with a generator, the generator should then be configured as a "bonded neutral" generator because there is no house including the bond between the grounding conductor and the grounded (neutral) conductor.
@@GL_615 disconnect the ground wire. Not necessary to cut back as it carriers no load. But I still folded it, and taped it of just to keep it from making contact where it should not.
This was so awesome to see! The Technological advancements are so astonishing. The same nay sayers about new tech, are the ones who will eventually buy one.
Don’t forget interlocks on the panel could save a lineman’s life doing storm restoration! If main breaker isn’t off voltage can back feed on to utilities grid
One of the things I had to deal with is houses before 1996 have three wire 220. Houses after that time use 4 wire 220. My diesel generator has four wire 220 output so I had to build an adapter 4 wire to 3 wire.
Andre, great video - very useful info. So, will you keep your hybrid truck or sell/trade it for a Lightening? Why? This would also make a good video … let us know what to keep in mind when pondering this decision. Thanks again!
How did you resolve the Ground Fault Issue? Was it just a matter of disconnecting the Grid, by turning off Main in Panel? Could you use an auto switch without issues?
I won’t worry about food spoilage if it’s in the fridge or freezer in the middle of the winter with a power outage at zero degrees Celsius or or below ,just put all your contents outside and gives you a chance to clean inside the fridge 😉Just saying
Plug-in electric vehicles, used to power a house or campsite…question, how do you recharge the vehicle’s battery? They certainly wouldn’t have been any good I-95 while it was closed after a recent ice storm. Hybrid is the way to go.
That's what I thought. Once the battery drained from an EV, you would be dead in the water. This truck could power the house forever as long as you pour gas in it.
How many days was I-95 closed? The F150 Lightning could power a house for at least three day. Keeping the cabin warm for a few days should not be a problem. For a house put solar on your house you could go years.
@@jwelchon2416 Another thing to note is when it is very cold outside, the EV has to be plugged in to maintain battery charge otherwise the truck uses so much power just to keep the batteries from freezing which then after a few days the truck will be drained and unusable.
I like fords concept of this and i think down the road electric cars/hybrids will be part of microgrids..at the same time im without power for weeks at a time due to living in PGE area I already have a couple of generators that use way less fuel then that for will use providing power and I run them 24x7 for weeks at a time running AC and refer and all necessary equipment sipping fuel..when power is off unless your gas station has a back up generator fuel becomes an issue also, but my natural gas generators run fine as there is always natural gas during power outage..
V2H technology is a great idea. Having a transfer switch is more than likely to be mandated for safety of both your home and upstream of the meter. Not sure if the source power from the truck is true rms. Doesn't appear to be because of the LED lightning flickering.
I don't think the powerboost saves fuel. Imo, the powerboost is a added creature comfort, similar to having a big screen T.V. Maybe, just maybe if you never drive the truck over 25mph it can save some fuel but over 38mph and then the savings are out the window!
Amazing. F-150 is just a gift to the world. I hope it would be made more affirdable for countries in Africa. Above all, nice piece of work here by Ford Motors.👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
I'm glad I watched this all the way through as my jaw dropped to the keyboard when he said "this is the generator interlock". WTF. No that is not a generator interlock that's a circuit breaker. The interlock was on the cover shown later in the video! The National Electrical Code is very specific about not being able to turn on the "generator breaker" while the main panel breaker is on! Yet he did turn the breaker on (because there was no interlock installed!) and the main breaker could have been turned on. Yes I'm aware that the outside breaker "was" off but seriously you should have NEVER done nor shown that period! IF the power had really been out and someone had "accidently" turned the main breaker on the panel on while you were in the house, you would have back fed the power grid with the possibility to kill or injure a lineman working on the main lines! And really we hooked up our truck to the house, can't turn some lights on and the answer is "which doesn't make any since at all.. but what ever". And oh look "It's freaking out the lights". Glad it wasn't my house with all sorts of expensive electronics! People see stuff like this and then they try it!
did you monitor invertor temperature during this test ? I'm curious what your temperature were during the loads. THIS CHANNEL is probably the best case/truck channel on UA-cam... I hope you guys keep the same curiosity as you grow larger and larger, this channel is rocking!!!
240V inlet into my interlocked panel is exactly how I plan to run emergency backup power from my F-150 Lightning. I bailed on the Intelligent Backup Power feature once Ford shared the 320A home service requirement.
@@uhjyuff2095 Lightning with the 9.6kW Pro Power Onboard option has 7.2kW from the outlets in the bed, including a 240V30A outlet… 2.4kW from the outlets in the frunk.
Believe it or not, your toaster is one of the highest draw items in your house. Electric resistance heating is the heaviest load. Volts x amps= watts. Every item has the amp rating on it, do the math. 120 x amps = watts (what your source is rated for) if you get a higher number here, you don't have a big enough source of power. Refrigerators and deep freezers can be kept cold by only connecting power a few hours a day. You need an internal thermometer in them to verify they are keeping your food cold enough. In winter we've unplugged them both overnigh when running on the generator. Quilts draped over a deep freeze (but not blocking the air exhaust) will help it stay colder
So you did at what cost adjustment /rewire to the electrical panel by an electrician to make this work from the 1st video issue. Plus whats the gas cost for the truck running lets say for 4 to 5 hrs. While the power is out
You don’t run everything in your house all at once the truck will be fine just like a standby generator we hook up to many houses down here in the south this from a license electrician.
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You did it the hard way
I got to see this beast today. Had to sub after seeing the back window sticker.
Now that you have a lightning it would be great to see it plugged into this home.
When you're running on the truck it's common sense to limit what you run.
Sunrun is now stating their home integration system will cost around $4000 plus installation costs.
Thanks for stopping by to wrap up this series!! After much research I knew we could get it to work with the newer GFCI protected style of generators! Was a ton of fun working with you guys on this one.
Thank you Justin!
Awesome video!!!!
Can you elaborate about the “neutral transfer panel” that is needed to make the truck outlet work right?
@@capt_ramius You need a 3 pole transfer panel. You need to transfer the 2 hots and neutral to the truck (and sever the connection to the grid on all 3), most generator interlocks just transfer the 2 hots (like mine) and tie the generator into the neutral and ground.
@@JustinKingOffroad Thanks! Just ordered a Lightning and was going to inlet the 240V bed outlet into my panel with interlock, just like this. Guess it’s more complicated than I thought lol.
I’m an electrician, actually for Xcel Energy out in Colorado and recently setup my new house completely off grid. This 7500 watt inverter is more than enough for a house as long as you keep in mind your high draw items such as electric stove, electric hot water heater, if your method of heating is electric, and electric clothes dryer. All or some of these appliances may run on natural gas or propane for you and in that case they won’t pull much power at all. If they are electric you won’t be able to run more than one of these at a time most likely. In an actual power outage if your having trouble with the generator tripping I recommend turning off your water heater if it’s electric as you can’t control when this decides to cycle on. With all these items on propane at my house I’m typically pulling well under 1000 watts and don’t think I could pull more than 4000 watts if I tried. For people with well water, this should run your pump just fine.
Another thing to keep in mind is your house has two different phases running through it for 240v appliances such as your high draw electric appliances mentioned above. If your running into issues but know your under 7500 total watts it’s just because your overloading the capability of the inverter for that specific phase so try and keep your power consumption more balanced.
Hello Travis, thank you for the feedback.
In short, live conservatively. ;) Power only the essentials 1 at a time or 2 if they are low V items. Gas Hot water, gas stove, gas fire place and the rest is super simple/low V to live off of for days. (I know, I have done it) Just the fridge is the priority once you have natural gas taking care of the bare essentials. And that is IMO subjective as well.
What do I need to hook my powerboost up to my house?
Yeah they could have even added more load if they distributed the load more evenly. There was more of a load on line one than line two. If they had the microwave running off of l2 it would have ran fine. It's 3600 watts per leg of 110v power. Another thing that seems a little disambiguous about the Chevy Silverado EV is they are quoting over 10 kilowatts of onboard power but the way it's worded to me seems like you can't pull 10 KW from one power source like you can on the ford. It seems like there's a bunch of outlets and all combined together you can pull a Max of 10 kw.
@@travisb9130 incorrect, the microwave was not the load that overloaded the system, it was the stovetop.
I'm skeptical about how well the all electric trucks will fare as a truck. But tbh, I think Ford hits the right balance with this hybrid. The generator mode is huge. It has so much practical use.
the ford lightning will have a 100 mile range towing a 5000 pound trailer, so plan accordingly
@@uhjyuff2095 I plan to buy something else then. Lol. That's not enough range to take my family and camper anywhere.
Thank you Justin and Andre for showing it can be done!
Thank you for watching.
@@TFLtruckWhat power cord are you using? Thank you
I love the power on board technology. Wish I could find one locally. I don't need it as I have a generator already, but in a pinch you could lend your truck to provide power in an emergency. Loading and hauling a 10,000-W generator isn't the easiest to ask, so having it built into the truck would be convenient.
except when power is off the local gas stations are out also, so driving your vehicle 100 miles round trip to get fuel isnt the best and shutting off power in between.. hence those of us with propane and natural gas use that for back up generation, I do and im out of power weeks every year due to PGE garbage, and an electric vehicle for me is a fail but a hybrid works great
@@lutomson3496 Do you get your propane delivered to you or do you drive 100 miles round trip to get it?
@@uhjyuff2095 I drive a mile..propane is available everywhere but I have natural gas at my house no need to drive
Just a quick clarification. The interlock switch is so you don’t feed energy back to the utility and electrocute a utility worker trying to fix downed lines etc. Not just so you don’t feed power back to your generator.
This is so crucial. I still come across people back feeding their houses with a generator by back feeding a dryer or range plug. So dangerous
Ford needs to build F-250/350 hybrids for truck campers and trailers! These onboard power systems would be perfect for boon-docking and/or full time RV living! Ford should also build a Transit hybrid for van-lifers! GM & Ram needs to build these too!
Diesel 6.7L would make an awesome generator...
@@richfarfugnuven6308 Yep, take my money now :-)
Agreed. A flatbed hybrid would be awesome.
@@richfarfugnuven6308 It would, although for camping purposes especially at night the noise wouldn't be very neighborly if others are nearby.
@Anthony C its shocking how quiet the new diesels are though...
I bet this video just sold a lot of these trucks. It's got me thinking. Thanks Andre for letting TFL use your truck for so many videos. I love that truck
Thank you for watching.
It certainly sold mine!
I remember you charging the i3 and using nearly all 7200 watts. For a few hours! Powering the house overloaded one of the two poles of the trucks 240 @ shutdown while other half of circuit was fine. Ground switching (legit circuit changer) is probably KEY in more ways than one!
Hey You guys need to show how we can power a 30Amp travel trailer so it can be totally self contained while say staying off grid for a few days. That would be very cool!! Love your channel guys!!
Yes! I just picked up my camper and own a hybrid. I haven't tried powering it just yet but want to see someone do it before I just plug it in and go for it lol
@@hairband80s69 Thank you for that tip. Already have everything I need. I was asking TFL to show others how it could be done and how it might work.
Andre actually did do a video doin* exactly this.
@@marriedGary Very Cool! I can't seem to find it. Can you post short cut?
See here ua-cam.com/video/6uUlsMwxM_0/v-deo.html
Power on board was a major factor in my decision to reserve an F-150 Lightning. I have small homes in both the California desert and the Ozark Mountains that are in areas where outages occur more often than I like. Being able to plug the house into the truck is a huge benefit for this aging hermit.
i could've sawer that original marketing papers said a 15kw inverter ( 100kw battery pack size or so ) and not a 10kw for the house mode and i remember a 125amp charger ( and dc fast chargering at 200+ amps for road tripping ) not a pansy 60 ish amps. o well still sounds like a nice truck but as i remembered some of the spec sheets was nicer options
What makes the F150 hybrid different from other electric pickups is that it has an ICE, not just plug-in electric. That’s what makes it able to act as a generator. With the other electric pickups without ICE, you could only consume the battery capacity, not generate electricity.
I really appreciate TFL for coming back to this issue. I was just wondering earlier this week if you were going to and here it is!
We read your mind.
Put a 80 gallon auxiliary tank in the bed and you can get 4+ days. Pretty slick setup.
how many miles can you go before running out of fuel?
That's a worst case scenario assuming you're using the full 7.2kw the truck can output. In the real world it would last much longer than that for powering a house.
The truck shut off the power because only one of the 120V buses was overloaded - the other one still had some capacity. If you had loads that were evenly distributed between the 120V buses you'd be able to power more stuff - the microwave plus the range, etc. Interesting that the LED lights were unhappy. Makes me wonder if the truck doesn't have a "pure sine wave inverter?"
incorrect, the microwave was not the load that overloaded the system, it was the stovetop.
Regardless if the stove was the final straw that tripped the truck , had the loads been better balanced prior to turning on the stove the truck would have handled it just fine. That was the point Mathew was trying to make.
Thanks for sharing how this works. Seems like the power boost is better than the lightning in a disaster since it can recharge its self and could still be driven with depleted batteries.
Lightning provides more power, and reserves a portion for travel of X distance.
I would argue that lightning is superior for my use, as with solar power stored at home it is free for me to power my home and drive as well as less maintenance.
@@makinawake9178 That’s a great point on solar. I live under a decent canopy of trees and was told I don’t have enough sun for solar here. I love my trees, but free electric would be nice.
Good video. I'm surprised Andre didn't pull out his phone app to check power usage from the truck inside the house.
I was thinking the same thing.
When is your video coming out powering a house?
Great video! I'm in love with the ProPower feature. Would be great not to have to haul a noisy generator to track days. Especially overnight when other campers are sleeping.
I’m so happy I saw this. Just got a build date for an F-150 Lightning in May. Have an electrician setup to run a 50amp out for charging and setup a transfer switch for the truck to power home.
Good video Andre. You need a grid disconnect and a 220 inverter. Disconnect from the grid, plug into the circuit breaker via a 220 input. Then turn on the loads that you can support with the source. I have a 220 v AC generator and it works great
Excellent video TFL crew! You guys rock. This hybrid approach is the pragmatic way to saving energy yet giving us truck buyers a versatile and affordable powertrain compared to all electric! TFL do you think Ford and other manufacturers will expand the hybrid or Powerboost offerings and maybe increase battery capacity? We dont want expensive all electric so please please tell the OEMs to listen!!!
The powerboost is a city truck and highway mileage is worse compared to the ecoboost!
It would be interesting to compare fuel usage for the truck in generator mode versus a comparable gas generator running at the same load.
I added the larger inverter onto my Pro order recently. Already have the house wired with a transfer switch, reliance, so assume it's going to be plug and play. With a full charge I should be using about 12 KWH per day in a power outage, which gives me 5 or 6 days power until I hit 20 percent charge or so. I have an inverter generator already, so it is going to be demoted to the back up once my truck order arrives.
I would have done a manual transfer switch. You can pick 6 or 10 circuits depending what model you buy. The whole house doesn't need power in an emergency, and when utility comes back on flip it from gen back to line. It is really 300 bucks for 30a 250v 7500w 6 circuit breaker kit.
That's one of the most practical new features in a truck. So many use cases for it. Thank you for sharing!
Great video. In the near future will be able to power our houses with our vehicles during an outage and that is just super cool.
Pretty awesome feature. I'm sure GM, RAM, and Toyota are kicking themselves for not thinking of it first. Eventually I'm sure they'll have their own versions. It would have been a huge boost for the new Tundra if they could have done something like this before Ford did.
Just picked mine up Tuesday 🤘🏼
thanks for posting this video, helped me (an electrician) figure out an issue with a generator back feed I installed that works fine with a regular generator but not one of these trucks.
If I understand the display each of the 2 phases from the generator is 3.6kW. The reason the truck shut off was because the microwave and stove are on the same phase (theoretically if they weren’t it would’ve been fine). I never put much thought into the way all my fuses are balanced, but it’s still interesting thing to see
I love this technology. I would definitely consider buying one of these trucks. I would just make sure I bought the extended warranty. Great video.
Now do this in summer and run the A/C. Or better yet try it in a RV with A/C. I would really love to know if it could run that!
Second time around was MUCH better guys! Always best to do a little research and have someone on hand that knows a thing or two about what you're experimenting with!
I couldn't really tell what you did to bypass the bonded neutral in your panel. Did you install a transfer switch with 6 or 10 circuits? Thanks for the help - don't want to mess this up!
Looks like he turned his main home panel into a sub panel. He separated the neutrals and grounds. The first means of disconnect is now behind his house by the meter.
Andre - you are wonderful - thank you for the education!
You guys breezed right over the major issue for most people which is how to solve the switched neutral situation. Most people have their neutrals and grounds bonded right in the main panel, or the first panel after their meter. In this video, you mention the bond is in the meter box itself, but you would need a 'switched neutral' between the meter box and the main panel to permit you to then plug in the truck and not worry about the truck tripping on it's GFCI protection. This is the aspect of your video that will be most important for people watching this and wondering why they cannot achieve what you have successfully done while using a generator interlock. Long story short, maybe defining that you placed your bond location out in the meter box and that you have a switched neutral (and how you switch your neutral) would be helpful!
It seems they just disconnected the ground to break the loop. Which I assume would be unsafe …
@@sundownstudios502 very unsafe, agreed!
Wonder if you could just add a separate ground bar in the panel and connect the outlet ground to that??
This makes me want one of these trucks so bad. Wish the prices weren’t so crazy right now, hope more companies do something similar to this.
The truck did something else that wasn't even mentioned in this video. It showed this house has an unbalanced load. To balance this circuit panel is relatively simple. Just swap some of the heavily loaded breakers to the other leg of the 240 volt panel with some lighter loaded breakers such as lights. The panel may not be able to be perfectly balanced because things like fridge and freezer turn off and on. But fridge should be on one leg and freezer on the other leg.
Great video and experiment. I have the exact same setup and have a 2024 F150 Hybrid on order can't wait to try it out.
Create video I'm glad you finally got this figured out. I have a 2021 Ford Ranger and I'm hoping the next generation will come with the hybrid option.
Impressive. This should be on every truck now.
Great video & the more you educate me about the Ford F-150 the more I like it. Not sure if I missed the video on the off-road capabilities of the F-150, but I would really be interested in how it does. As always thank you for taking the time to share your testing & knowledge.
That is quite impressive that you can run that house off the truck!!! And run it it in a manner that is really usable - like you are still on the mains for the most part and of course the house max is about 10,000 watts ( + - ) a bit but when would you ever be running everything at the same time - NEVER,,, so 7200 watts is plenty for like comfortable like your are not off grid at all !!! In an emergence, for sure hardly no emergency with that system..... That's Great!!!! I LIKE IT - I LIKE IT A LOT !!!!!!
Great review, Andrey. If that was my personal truck, I would have been freaking out. LOL. I am considering the Powerboost as the drivetrain in my next truck.
Finally I've been waiting to see what the problem and solution
Tbh, you don't need to power "luxury" items during a short out and therefor is extremely easy.
Just run a powercord from the truck to everything you need to power (fridge, freezer etc).
I take for granted that everyone living in a house in cold climates have a backup heating system (wood stove for example).
Will a would stove heat an entire suburban house like shown? Honest question. There are pipes in various places throughout the house that need protection from freezing, although trickling them would lessen the chance of that.
As much as I love the new lightning, I think the hybrid with the inverter generator is a better choice. In fact, If I could make decisions for the Ford motor Company, every truck starting with the 2024 model year would be a hybrid with a 5KW propower onboard generator as standard equipment. A 10 KW version would be an option for an additional cost.
Nothing wrong with the hybrids you mentioned but I personally think the all electric lightning is the perfect way to go. Still having to purchase gasoline defeats the purpose of an all electric vehicle.
Great real world demonstration Andre.
Ford needs to have this feature on the Super Duties!! I'd buy one!
Such a cool truck, I love my 2017 2.7l, but these Hybrids are where it's at it seems.
So the hanle prt of cord is your surge protector & semi flex 4/6 way outlets on solid copper line. Then u can attach normal cords onto the semi flex handle line.
Using a break out box you dont have to turn off the MAIN, you can just switch off the circuits you want to go to generator for with the switches in the break out box !!!! Once hooked up, its a piece of cake to select which circuits you want to take off the MAIN,,, simply flip a switch !!!! Basically, every circuit has a double throw switch,,, main or external,,, the box has the plug already in it and its all wired up ready to tie in,,, Home depot sells it and I thing it was like $250 when I got mine,,, each circuit is 30 amp and there are different boxes with more or less circuits, 6, 12, 24 etc.... works for 120 and 240 but less circuits for the 240 than the 120.... You dont have to worry about the MAIN AT ALL since the external circuits you chose are completely disconnected from the MAIN when you flip the switch so if the power comes back on while running a external source,,, nothing happens - its all safe and isolated automatically,,,,, the house power comes back on and the generator circuits stay on generator until you flip the switches back...... this really is the best way and safest way to tie an external power source to a house - YOU CANT MAKE A MISTAKE is what so good about it !!!!! It has meters to show wattage on each leg,,, the thing is great !!!!! Just some info and an idea for ya !!!!
TFL, ThankYou for creating yet another real world practical informative video. Ford engineers have again nailed it. Peace!
Wow, that truck is like a Swiss Army Knife
Man I love this truck
Exactly the video I’ve been waiting for thank you and great job 🙏
Thank you for watching.
I ran into the same issues. Both the truck and my panel had "bonded grounds" and like was stated, this causes a loop issue and faults.
After talking with a few electricians, what we decided to do was to alter my input outlet only.
This way the truck keeps everything in tact as well as my main service.
But at the input plug we simply disconnected the neutral wire. (Might have been the ground, but only one of the two). This broke the bonded ground from flowing from the truck to the house, and stopping the looping.
The house is still properly grounded thru the earth ground and bonding.
This allowed everything to work as expected.
This is also achieved thru the 4 wire to 3 wire adapters that can be found online, but I have heard some of them are questionable.
Is it safe to do this? I have the same issue at my house. So simply loosen the screw and pull the wire out of the plug? Did you trim the wire back? Thx
@@sundownproperties7621 from a "code" policy, probably not. But the electricians I spoke to said it would be fine. But I'm not an electrician. Maybe one can comment for us.
And yes I just loosened the screw, pulled the wire and put a wire nut on it to make sure it did not fall into another contact and cause any issues.
@@robertgreenman8269 Yes correct, when connecting a generator to a house the generator should be configured as a "floating neutral" because the house supplies the bond to make the system actually a "bonded neutral" system. When using exclusively extension cords with a generator, the generator should then be configured as a "bonded neutral" generator because there is no house including the bond between the grounding conductor and the grounded (neutral) conductor.
So disconnect the neutral or ground at the side that plugs into the house, not the truck?
@@GL_615 disconnect the ground wire. Not necessary to cut back as it carriers no load. But I still folded it, and taped it of just to keep it from making contact where it should not.
Great Information to know thank you kindly for this and all your Videos as well
Thanks for watching!
This was so awesome to see!
The Technological advancements are so astonishing. The same nay sayers about new tech, are the ones who will eventually buy one.
Thanks! For the great tips on a power outages if you have a power boost Ford -150 truck.
Don’t forget interlocks on the panel could save a lineman’s life doing storm restoration! If main breaker isn’t off voltage can back feed on to utilities grid
just got 2 months agoLariat powerboost, thank you for very helpful video test, cheers V!
I love his 2020 power wagon in there
LMAO!!
Hand it to Nathan and Case to bring that extra special touch to a TFL presentation, Nathan that really using your noggin🤣
Would love to see this with the different EVs coming out to see how it compares to the hybrid.
Worth watching just for the commercial with Nathan!
Andre watching himself on the TV reminded me of that scene in spaceballs. "when will then be now...!!...right now...!!"
I like the 70's police music you used. Sounds like a Dirty Harry movie...
A double throw disconnect would work perfectly with the truck. It disconnects from grid power and connects generator power
One of the things I had to deal with is houses before 1996 have three wire 220. Houses after that time use 4 wire 220. My diesel generator has four wire 220 output so I had to build an adapter 4 wire to 3 wire.
True, electrical codes change every 3 years.
Andre, great video - very useful info. So, will you keep your hybrid truck or sell/trade it for a Lightening? Why? This would also make a good video … let us know what to keep in mind when pondering this decision. Thanks again!
Andre is keeping his truck.
How did you resolve the Ground Fault Issue? Was it just a matter of disconnecting the Grid, by turning off Main in Panel? Could you use an auto switch without issues?
Fantastic content gentleman! Thank you Andre and Justin!
Thank you for watching.
I won’t worry about food spoilage if it’s in the fridge or freezer in the middle of the winter with a power outage at zero degrees Celsius or or below ,just put all your contents outside and gives you a chance to clean inside the fridge 😉Just saying
What they didn't tell you but briefly showed is he removed the bare ground wire from the plug below the breaker box to make the truck happy.
Thank you for this real world test
When I read the vid title I thought...yeah...go to store...buy generator...put in back of truck...bring home... power house...lmao!
Awesome test nice work tfl, I love this feature and this is just the start!
Plug-in electric vehicles, used to power a house or campsite…question, how do you recharge the vehicle’s battery? They certainly wouldn’t have been any good I-95 while it was closed after a recent ice storm.
Hybrid is the way to go.
That's what I thought. Once the battery drained from an EV, you would be dead in the water. This truck could power the house forever as long as you pour gas in it.
How many days was I-95 closed? The F150 Lightning could power a house for at least three day. Keeping the cabin warm for a few days should not be a problem. For a house put solar on your house you could go years.
@@jwelchon2416 Another thing to note is when it is very cold outside, the EV has to be plugged in to maintain battery charge otherwise the truck uses so much power just to keep the batteries from freezing which then after a few days the truck will be drained and unusable.
that is such a awesome feature of that truck
I like fords concept of this and i think down the road electric cars/hybrids will be part of microgrids..at the same time im without power for weeks at a time due to living in PGE area I already have a couple of generators that use way less fuel then that for will use providing power and I run them 24x7 for weeks at a time running AC and refer and all necessary equipment sipping fuel..when power is off unless your gas station has a back up generator fuel becomes an issue also, but my natural gas generators run fine as there is always natural gas during power outage..
I was googling yesterday if there was a truck that can power a house then this video come out after I've been watch this channel for over a week. Wtf
V2H technology is a great idea. Having a transfer switch is more than likely to be mandated for safety of both your home and upstream of the meter. Not sure if the source power from the truck is true rms. Doesn't appear to be because of the LED lightning flickering.
very cool , you can use for over landing to use electric cook top etc
Ford should offer the hybrid with the 2.7l v6 also.
I don't think the powerboost saves fuel. Imo, the powerboost is a added creature comfort, similar to having a big screen T.V. Maybe, just maybe if you never drive the truck over 25mph it can save some fuel but over 38mph and then the savings are out the window!
Great Video, FORD Should Thank You Andre!!👍👍👍👍
FAST approaching 1,000,000 SUBS !
so what wiring did you change in your panel or generator outlet to correct the ground loop?
Amazing. F-150 is just a gift to the world. I hope it would be made more affirdable for countries in Africa. Above all, nice piece of work here by Ford Motors.👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
I'm glad I watched this all the way through as my jaw dropped to the keyboard when he said "this is the generator interlock". WTF. No that is not a generator interlock that's a circuit breaker. The interlock was on the cover shown later in the video! The National Electrical Code is very specific about not being able to turn on the "generator breaker" while the main panel breaker is on! Yet he did turn the breaker on (because there was no interlock installed!) and the main breaker could have been turned on. Yes I'm aware that the outside breaker "was" off but seriously you should have NEVER done nor shown that period! IF the power had really been out and someone had "accidently" turned the main breaker on the panel on while you were in the house, you would have back fed the power grid with the possibility to kill or injure a lineman working on the main lines! And really we hooked up our truck to the house, can't turn some lights on and the answer is "which doesn't make any since at all.. but what ever". And oh look "It's freaking out the lights". Glad it wasn't my house with all sorts of expensive electronics! People see stuff like this and then they try it!
Happy to note the Ford 150 capability to power the Home
did you monitor invertor temperature during this test ?
I'm curious what your temperature were during the loads.
THIS CHANNEL is probably the best case/truck channel on UA-cam... I hope you guys keep the same curiosity as you grow larger and larger, this channel is rocking!!!
I'll bet ForScan could prolly access those sensors and get some readings.
It was snowing outside. I bet the inverter was nice and cool!
240V inlet into my interlocked panel is exactly how I plan to run emergency backup power from my F-150 Lightning. I bailed on the Intelligent Backup Power feature once Ford shared the 320A home service requirement.
what is the lightning's highest rated receptacle? The powerboost has a 7200 watt receptacle in the bed of the truck!
@@uhjyuff2095 Lightning with the 9.6kW Pro Power Onboard option has 7.2kW from the outlets in the bed, including a 240V30A outlet… 2.4kW from the outlets in the frunk.
@@capt_ramius Cool, so the same as Andres Powerboost.
Glad it worked this time!
Believe it or not, your toaster is one of the highest draw items in your house. Electric resistance heating is the heaviest load.
Volts x amps= watts. Every item has the amp rating on it, do the math.
120 x amps = watts (what your source is rated for) if you get a higher number here, you don't have a big enough source of power.
Refrigerators and deep freezers can be kept cold by only connecting power a few hours a day. You need an internal thermometer in them to verify they are keeping your food cold enough.
In winter we've unplugged them both overnigh when running on the generator.
Quilts draped over a deep freeze (but not blocking the air exhaust) will help it stay colder
So you did at what cost adjustment /rewire to the electrical panel by an electrician to make this work from the 1st video issue. Plus whats the gas cost for the truck running lets say for 4 to 5 hrs. While the power is out
Love your videos. So informational, plus you add a lot to it.
You don’t run everything in your house all at once the truck will be fine just like a standby generator we hook up to many houses down here in the south this from a license electrician.
LOL Nathan Looks good with that 80's hair😀😀
That's pretty awesome I like that truck good video guys