He used Baez (and an ailing Woody Guthrie) to get a leg-up in the Folk Music community - and then Dylan caught the wave of electric Pop Rock music that the Beatles and the British Music Invasion helped bring about in 1965 (and so long to Pete Seeger, who also helped Dylan). I don't deny that Bob Dylan created some truly remarkable and moving songs that helped define an Era; but in his personal life, he had feet of clay -as we all do, I suppose- and when all's said and done, I mostly like to hear his early folk-inspired work that Joan Baez helped to 'midwife.'
Dylan's feet were off of the ground on the run towards who ever he fancied and caught his attention. A two tire wheeling machine had supposedly stopped his 🏃♂️ for awhile 😢
There was never any chance they would stay together, or even have anything like an equal relationship when they were a couple. They were fundamentally different. For Bob, the important things were career and his music; he wasn't particularly interested in politics, even back then. He later said that he started writing protest songs in Greenwich Village in the early 60s simply "because that's what people wanted to hear back then", and he wanted to hone his craft and make a name for himself. Joan on the other hand, was seriously interested in and motivated by politics. Whereas Bob initially used political songs to get famous, Joan used her fame to communicate political messages; Bob was an artist, Joan a platform for her beliefs. She believed in "the cause" in itself, whereas Bob didn't. She was a group person; Bob the ultimate individualist. Joan stayed in politics and protest, but Bob quickly grew impatient with all that stuff, resented the confines of having to remain with a particular set of beliefs; he wanted to move on to greater freedom, to more expressive things in music to exploit the full creativity he knew was inside him. There are inevitably victims along the road to individual greatness. It was no doubt a dark day for Joan, but their separation was a new dawn for the world.
Well put. Joan was one of the ladders. Her heart is fundamentally so good that she couldn't see his motives. She was better off w/o him. I hope she realizes that now~ Like i said: the gods have always been with Joan.
Well stated (by the way, Dylan did accept the Nobel) except for the implication that Joan Baez is not an artist, like Bob Dylan. That she was more political than Bob does not negate her immense artistic qualities. She is an artist too.
The commentary says "IN the early 1960s, things went downhil for both Bob and Joan privately and proffessionally... when did Bob Dylans career go bad....NEVER.
And what about her husband. In 1968, Baez married the activist David Harris; had a son, Gabriel, in 1969, while Harris was serving twenty months in federal prison for refusing to report for military duty. They divorced in 1973. I vividly remember her mentioning him at every concert she gave during that time and then some stuff afterward about being a lesbian after they had divorced. True, not true? I don't know but I think they may have both ridden coattails in their time. At least Bob is more private about his past. (At least as far as I know.) Bob had Patti Smith accept that prize for him. I take this video with a grain of salt.
You said it ALL, just the way it happened. People tend to sugar coat or minimize issues. I found yer comments and concur and believe you said it as it WAS. 😎🤗🌟🙈🙉🙊👍🏻☮️🎶
As was pointed out in Keirsey Temperament Theory, Joan Baez has the Idealist Temperament, while Bob Dylan has that of an Artisan. These temperaments often clash.
He split with Joan by summer ‘64 . Do the research to find that out . He had a fling with Joan after he split with Suze . Wouldn’t of even been a year 😁.
A collaboration like none other, and from a time that produced the kind of musical genius that will never be equaled in whatever time the human race has left. It seemed it would only get stronger and better; instead it deteriorated into the ear-assaulting slop we have today. If you want to hear good music still, try Memphis in May Blues Festival. I did, twice, and I'm so glad of it.
I saw Dylan on a small stage in Upstate New York, about 35 yrs ago. He was completely unintelligible even though i actually knew the words, and it was a small theater, great seats. It was painful to watch. I felt oddly embarrassed for him, and left half way through. I had heard rumors of this, but i still bought the tickets..Oh well. I have no idea how common this was...
@diannshoemaker6419 Wow, Diann, that's interesting. I saw him a few months ago in Louisville and loved it. I knew ahead of time he'd be behind the piano the whole concert, didn't talk between songs. I feel I got what I came for, the sound and music were great. We are all so different!
I saw Bob Dylan in 1970 with the Band in Chicago and I only really recall the lighters we all lit to signify the moment. and then in Vancouver in about 2005 during which his music and the words were unintelligible. He was a gift to our consciousness but probably, as is said in the song, legends..not easy to be with at home. She was a musical genius who also as has been noted, did it for the cause, while Bob did it for the fame..and he is still doing it.
@jeanjearman2025 So you're referring to early 1990. Dylan has tried to stay in the vanguard of his chosen art forms, and post-modern was in vogue (Pinchon, DFW, etc.) in literature, painting & music at the time, which also led to deconstruction of art forms. I've heard it said (not my idea) that Dylan's musical delivery at the time was his attempt to interpret his earlier/ popular works in a contemporary, deconstructed context. It's just a thought, a mere possibility 🤔...
Often musical collaborations break up over “creative differences” eg S & G and Bob was especially “mercurial” as they say. A different Bob seems to wake up every day. Hard to take.
Good God. Have you ever hearf of having a private life where your r every word. Thought And feeling isnt available tp the world for discussipn They are 2 amaziing artists that fell on and out of love when ypung. .let it alone. Who are we to have am opinion....we dpnt lmow them How would you like your every move 2 nd giessef and analized. We wonder why they are so elusive. Why dont we leave their private lives alone and put that energu imto our owm lives. .
Let's be humans. Nothing nor nobody is perfect. Joan Baez must of seen Bob Dylan's honest and beautiful qualities along the way. I'm sure Bob Dylan's beatifulness was so hard to understand. I love Joan for her respect for one of the most gifted musicians. Joan, God is perfect. Let's love Bobby forever. Yes, he's different, but who are we?? ❤❤
They were both strong individualists. Relationships take compromise, understanding, and work. Great artists though. Artistic people often march to their own drummer.
Another problem with the relationship was that Joan was an activist and Bob wasn’t. He wrote a lot of ‘political’ songs and song at MLKjr’s Washington DC but later stopped doing those events.
"jOAN INTRODUCED bOB TO THE wORLD:/ tHIS US vert true. i THINK 1963 I went to a Joan Baez concert Forest Hills Tennis Stadium. Tpward the end of her set, she says, "Want to introduce a friend of mine, Bob Gylan" We did not know him. He looked reall "scruffy" and when he began to sing "nasally" we all Booed. but Dylan just soldiered on. By the time he finished we were all CHEERIN!!!
same thing happened to me when I saw them at the Hollywood bowl I think 1963. But I already knew who he was because they've been playing his music a lot on underground radio in LA and I went mainly to see him.
Bob Dylan has a net worth of aprox. 500 Million $ while Joan has a net worth of just about 15 Million $. Sorry , but I think they live in different worlds. GEE S. from Germany
@@user-sv1gh2mr4n We dont REALLY know what happened. Besides we all make mistakes/have regrets and shouldn't judge. You cant say Bob never truly loved any woman, only HE knows.
Joan was an early supporter of Bob. She was a good performer, but she was not the creative force and songwriter, superstar that Bob became. How could she expect equal billing and to be guaranteed duets together. Professional competition or jealousy, on her part. Bob too can be ungracious about others artists songs, denigrating , Youngs Heart of Gold, and Lennons Norwegian Wood as imitating his style, that seems petty jealousy.
I think he wasn't a great guy. He might have been a musical genius, a poet laureate for his generation, but as a man, he appeared arrogant and mean. I think hewanted a subservient woman, one he could control. Both Joan and Suze Rotolo were too independent for him. I think he even had issues with his first wife.
Very one sided. The humbling speech Bob Dylan wrote and was read at the Noble Peace Prize was absolutely brilliant. Definitely not a speech written by a person who was critical of receiving such a high honour.
Joan Baez has been revealing her 'relationship nightmare' with Bob Dylan for as long as I have been alive. It is high time she gave it a rest. All she has achieved from this, in nearly 60 years now, is to publicly categorise her career as an adjunct to his! I think Joan Baez is worth a lot more than that. Maybe if she stops talking endlessly about Dylan and ancient history, she will too.
First, Bob was a chronic womanizer, never been faithful to any one woman his whole life, especially not to his 2 wives! Secondly, Joan was humiliating Bob publicly; announcing any mistakes he made. And she did the pursuing in that relationship. That duty belongs to the man, not the woman. Bob liked large-breasted women and Joan was not.
He used Baez (and an ailing Woody Guthrie) to get a leg-up in the Folk Music community - and then Dylan caught the wave of electric Pop Rock music that the Beatles and the British Music Invasion helped bring about in 1965 (and so long to Pete Seeger, who also helped Dylan). I don't deny that Bob Dylan created some truly remarkable and moving songs that helped define an Era; but in his personal life, he had feet of clay -as we all do, I suppose- and when all's said and done, I mostly like to hear his early folk-inspired work that Joan Baez helped to 'midwife.'
Baez was actually trying to ride Bobs coattails. If he hadn’t ditched her she would have been like Yoko was to,John Lennon.
And who hasn't made career progress by getting help from others....it's not unreasonable, unkind or unprofessional.
Dylan's feet were off of the ground on the run towards who ever he fancied and caught his attention. A two tire wheeling machine had supposedly stopped his 🏃♂️ for awhile 😢
Yea right Dylan would be unknown without joan. Lol.
He didn't use them. He outgrew them.
Joan has always been a beautiful woman and is still a Knockout.....Thanks Ron
She looks like a goblin
Winds of change blew them apart and the answer is blowing in the wind.
They are both musical geniuses.
There was never any chance they would stay together, or even have anything like an equal relationship when they were a couple.
They were fundamentally different. For Bob, the important things were career and his music; he wasn't particularly interested in politics, even back then. He later said that he started writing protest songs in Greenwich Village in the early 60s simply "because that's what people wanted to hear back then", and he wanted to hone his craft and make a name for himself.
Joan on the other hand, was seriously interested in and motivated by politics. Whereas Bob initially used political songs to get famous, Joan used her fame to communicate political messages; Bob was an artist, Joan a platform for her beliefs. She believed in "the cause" in itself, whereas Bob didn't. She was a group person; Bob the ultimate individualist.
Joan stayed in politics and protest, but Bob quickly grew impatient with all that stuff, resented the confines of having to remain with a particular set of beliefs; he wanted to move on to greater freedom, to more expressive things in music to exploit the full creativity he knew was inside him.
There are inevitably victims along the road to individual greatness. It was no doubt a dark day for Joan, but their separation was a new dawn for the world.
That is insightful and well said.
Well put. Joan was one of the ladders. Her heart is fundamentally so good that she couldn't see his motives. She was better off w/o him. I hope she realizes that now~ Like i said: the gods have always been with Joan.
你可以這樣描述Dylan的，很多書都是這樣寫他的故事；的而且確，Joan熱衷於政治，而Bob只想做個歌手及詩人，甚至是搖滾樂的啟蒙詩人歌手，所以他們分手是意料中事。不過，Joan寫了首Diamond And Rust真是情感真摰的作品，為她的感情作了註釋，明白了她的感受。
Well stated (by the way, Dylan did accept the Nobel) except for the implication that Joan Baez is not an artist, like Bob Dylan. That she was more political than Bob does not negate her immense artistic qualities. She is an artist too.
Oh yes! Joan is sooo good that she couldn't see his motives! Who would you rather be in this lifetime..?? She's a Star!!! No doubt!🌠
The commentary says "IN the early 1960s, things went downhil for both Bob and Joan privately and proffessionally... when did Bob Dylans career go bad....NEVER.
Their partnership went bad, not individually .
He was too blind to see she was the best thing that could have ever came into his life. She loved him dearly. She is an icon... Always will be. ❤
They did not go downhill professionally in the early 1960s! This false statement puts into question the rest of your claims.
And what about her husband. In 1968, Baez married the activist David Harris; had a son, Gabriel, in 1969, while Harris was serving twenty months in federal prison for refusing to report for military duty. They divorced in 1973. I vividly remember her mentioning him at every concert she gave during that time and then some stuff afterward about being a lesbian after they had divorced. True, not true? I don't know but I think they may have both ridden coattails in their time. At least Bob is more private about his past. (At least as far as I know.) Bob had Patti Smith accept that prize for him. I take this video with a grain of salt.
You said it ALL, just the way it happened. People tend to sugar coat or minimize issues. I found yer comments and concur and believe you said it as it WAS. 😎🤗🌟🙈🙉🙊👍🏻☮️🎶
As was pointed out in Keirsey Temperament Theory, Joan Baez has the Idealist Temperament, while Bob Dylan has that of an Artisan. These temperaments often clash.
This is not news. Diamonds and Rust.
He split with Joan by summer ‘64 . Do the research to find that out . He had a fling with
Joan after he split with Suze . Wouldn’t of even been a year 😁.
A collaboration like none other, and from a time that produced the kind of musical genius that will never be equaled in whatever time the human race has left. It seemed it would only get stronger and better; instead it deteriorated into the ear-assaulting slop we have today. If you want to hear good music still, try Memphis in May Blues Festival. I did, twice, and I'm so glad of it.
I saw Dylan on a small stage in Upstate New York, about 35 yrs ago. He was completely unintelligible even though i actually knew the words, and it was a small theater, great seats. It was painful to watch. I felt oddly embarrassed for him, and left half way through. I had heard rumors of this, but i still bought the tickets..Oh well. I have no idea how common this was...
He has written some great songs, but I could never understand anything he sang.
@diannshoemaker6419 Wow, Diann, that's interesting. I saw him a few months ago in Louisville and loved it. I knew ahead of time he'd be behind the piano the whole concert, didn't talk between songs. I feel I got what I came for, the sound and music were great. We are all so different!
@@meninagreen5704 I think 35 yrs. ago Bob was still drinking.
I saw Bob Dylan in 1970 with the Band in Chicago and I only really recall the lighters we all lit to signify the moment. and then in Vancouver in about 2005 during which his music and the words were unintelligible. He was a gift to our consciousness but probably, as is said in the song, legends..not easy to be with at home. She was a musical genius who also as has been noted, did it for the cause, while Bob did it for the fame..and he is still doing it.
@jeanjearman2025
So you're referring to early 1990. Dylan has tried to stay in the vanguard of his chosen art forms, and post-modern was in vogue (Pinchon, DFW, etc.) in literature, painting & music at the time, which also led to deconstruction of art forms.
I've heard it said (not my idea) that Dylan's musical delivery at the time was his attempt to interpret his earlier/ popular works in a contemporary, deconstructed context. It's just a thought, a mere possibility 🤔...
Compatibility is the key
Either one connects or doesn't
Having a similar interest
Doesn't always work
Positive and negative
May connect better!
While I love a lot of Dylan's songs I suspect he's a total AH in his day-to-day. Not that I know I just think he emotes that vibe.
Thats not what his own children or associates have said so I doubt it's true
Often musical collaborations break up over “creative differences” eg S & G and Bob was especially “mercurial” as they say. A different Bob seems to wake up every day. Hard to take.
Much respect to Bob Dylan - keeping his romantic life private
Good God. Have you ever hearf of having a private life where your r every word. Thought
And feeling isnt available tp the world for discussipn
They are 2 amaziing artists that fell on and out of love when ypung.
.let it alone. Who are we to have am opinion....we dpnt lmow them
How would you like your every move 2 nd giessef and analized. We wonder why they are so elusive. Why dont we leave their private lives alone and put that energu imto our owm lives.
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I understood every single word ❤
Let's be humans. Nothing nor nobody is perfect. Joan Baez must of seen Bob Dylan's honest and beautiful qualities along the way. I'm sure Bob Dylan's beatifulness was so hard to understand. I love Joan for her respect for one of the most gifted musicians. Joan, God is perfect. Let's love Bobby forever. Yes, he's different, but who are we?? ❤❤
Bob Dylan - another guy protesting and singing about freedom on stage while in his private life being somewhat of a tyrant.
They were both strong individualists. Relationships take compromise, understanding, and work. Great artists though. Artistic people often march to their own drummer.
A beautiful couple of the sixties, but Bob is a free man.
Another problem with the relationship was that Joan was an activist and Bob wasn’t. He wrote a lot of ‘political’ songs and song at MLKjr’s Washington DC but later stopped doing those events.
There is A REAL FREEDOM IN FORGIVENESS….
Joan kept on and on about bob because it bemafited her too most people get on and get over it but he was so famous she just didnt let go
He might have been her first love
She's a Capricorn, and he's a Gemini, and that combo is usually a recipe for a failed intimate relationship.
ItZ much more
HatZ off 2 U Joan 4 Ur Graciousness
I’m So Sorry 4 things I said bout U 🔆🌟🌟🔆
"jOAN INTRODUCED bOB TO THE wORLD:/ tHIS US vert true. i THINK 1963 I went to a Joan Baez concert Forest Hills Tennis Stadium. Tpward the end of her set, she says, "Want to introduce a friend of mine, Bob Gylan" We did not know him. He looked reall "scruffy" and when he began to sing "nasally" we all Booed. but Dylan just soldiered on. By the time he finished we were all CHEERIN!!!
same thing happened to me when I saw them at the Hollywood bowl I think 1963. But I already knew who he was because they've been playing his music a lot on underground radio in LA and I went mainly to see him.
He did have a good voice his guitar playing wasn't that good either .it was his songs that were great
I meant he didn't have a good voice
Bob Dylan has a net worth of aprox. 500 Million $ while Joan has a net worth of just about 15 Million $. Sorry , but I think they live in different worlds.
GEE S. from Germany
So what. Stupid remark.
Why do you fail to mention Suze Rotolo whom Bob was in love with at the time he was involved with Joan Baez ? I don’t think he EVER loved Joan Baez .
Bob never truly loved any woman, not even Suze Rotolo. Bob had his preborn baby of Suze aborted/murdered.
@@user-sv1gh2mr4n We dont REALLY know what happened. Besides we all make mistakes/have regrets and shouldn't judge. You cant say Bob never truly loved any woman, only HE knows.
Baez helped launch Dylan's career. He loved that.
@@marieholland8868😂
@@marieholland8868😂
What du you know when being so young..and in the lime light! He wasn't going/planning to make her happy that's for sure.
Joan was an early supporter of Bob. She was a good performer, but she was not the creative force and songwriter, superstar that Bob became. How could she expect equal billing and to be guaranteed duets together. Professional competition or jealousy, on her part. Bob too can be ungracious about others artists songs, denigrating , Youngs Heart of Gold, and Lennons Norwegian Wood as imitating his style, that seems petty jealousy.
卜戴倫就是這樣的人，年少輕狂，甚有才華，是詩人也是歌手，但和他談戀愛就簡直是個災難，你只能臣服於他，或離開他遠走高飛，過你的新生活；連元配Sara都難以忍受，離他遠去，就知道有才華的人實在難以相處。我們還是聽他的歌或欣賞他的詩好了！
I think he wasn't a great guy. He might have been a musical genius, a poet laureate for his generation, but as a man, he appeared arrogant and mean. I think hewanted a subservient woman, one he could control.
Both Joan and Suze Rotolo were too independent for him. I think he even had issues with his first wife.
I don't think he even had a good singing voice
"Finally"? Hadn't she ever talked about that before?
Bob loved his wife, Sarah.
bob couldnt keep it up so she left him
Is bob Dylan a narcissist
He despises hero worship so I don't think so
Very one sided. The humbling speech Bob Dylan wrote and was read at the Noble Peace Prize was absolutely brilliant. Definitely not a speech written by a person who was critical of receiving such a high honour.
She's a saint ❤️
Ive watched some Christian singers do the same to their wives. They became known due to the wives.
My understanding it was jealously that ended their relationship......
I’ve seen Bob WITH The Band (1985) and solo (1990) and he told me he told Joan “Your poetry sucks.” She took that badly.
Part of life's rich tapestry! ❤
It sounds like he used her. He was a bit of a snake
He did not use her any more than she used him. Sometimes stuff just does not work out
@alabamaisyourdaddy6137 probably right. Bob dylan just always seemed sus. Lol
Only told part of the story in generalities.
Joan Baez has been revealing her 'relationship nightmare' with Bob Dylan for as long as I have been alive.
It is high time she gave it a rest. All she has achieved from this, in nearly 60 years now, is to publicly categorise her career as an adjunct to his! I think Joan Baez is worth a lot more than that. Maybe if she stops talking endlessly about Dylan and ancient history, she will too.
Gorgeous !
Waste of time --just narration--guess they couldn't get "the rights".
Dylan, ever the grifter, used Joan to further his career.
Lets get a MAN to put a voice-over, instead of the women in question actually telling her STORy
what a fucking joke
Was this written without commas?
Dylan moved on and up. Baez just stayed in her rut, or some say comfort zone. She just needs to fade away.
If you want
to be
in a relationship
= connected
to someone ...
=
You are NOT
" INDEPENDANT" .
Fss. Crap
double bind talk.
Phony documentary. Nonsense.
First, Bob was a chronic womanizer, never been faithful to any one woman his whole life, especially not to his 2 wives!
Secondly, Joan was humiliating Bob publicly; announcing any mistakes he made. And she did the pursuing in that relationship. That duty belongs to the man, not the woman. Bob liked large-breasted women and Joan was not.
Always thought real soulmates.zar