Lex Fridman on thoughts of suicide
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- Опубліковано 20 вер 2024
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Thanks for addressing suicide in an intellectual way. Too often it is such a taboo topic that it quickly descends into cliches and platitudes.
I was a body worker for 20 years. I had an ascending aortic aneurysm in 2018 which should have killed me then followed up by losing my career and who I thought was a life partner, followed up by a second open heart to repair the first where the surgeon had to stop my heart with his hand. I was sort of okay with dying. Now since the pandemic my life is rough; in that I constantly have doubt and feel overwhelmed and often think that I should have just died when my aorta blew a hole... I have two voices in my head now that say opposite things. One says just go die or kill yourself and the other says get your shit together and change the world. I just sit and do nothing in protest to both. I wish with all my heart I could heal and be a healer again and resume my career as a body worker. I mostly think that people suck and there is no real support also the suicide 911 calls and the hotline are a joke just to get a person into the system..
There is a lot of pain in your story. That state of sitting in the middle of it in protest, as you said, rang true to my experience as well. I still associate that action as noble, maybe naively. I am grateful that for me there is still something beautiful and confounding about staring soberly into reality. Wishing you well on your protest. 🙏
I hear n feel it as similar things recently happen in my life, and it was a weird mental breakdown that I choose to sell off my home and tools n cars for no reason at all and move off my farm in the middle of colorado and now I’m wasteing away in indiana alone
Hi Steven G. I too think that most people suck, but I also think - know - there are some truly lovely people as well. I felt as you do a couple of years back so I decided that I wanted to find a whole new bunch of really good, kind, decent, big-hearted people of integrity to be friends with. And I did. It's made all the difference. I'm a healer too but I've moved away from body work per se and into coaching using EFT Tapping. I did heaps of training - it was exciting and I met lots of good people along the way. It's a way of helping people via the body and the mind/emotions. There's always something new to do, new people to meet, new ways to think. I wish you the very best and send you lots of love, and I believe in you.
@@ishikawa1338 The Bill of Rights is highlighted these days.
Loving yourself, n Loving others ,sets you free from the devils chains,and into the heavens above us.........just a saying i wrote as a teenager .Just keep being as Loving as u can in the moment, that's all God can ask of u and u will get all the great privileges Jesus has in store for u when your time is up.
The reality of suicide is too blunt for most people to talk about in an intellectual manner. Thank you for this and all your clips brother 🤝
When you suffer chronic pain , suicide is always knocking at the door
Still no excuse for giving up completely.
That was very nice. I feel very big brained when I listen to your podcast when I fold laundry. I was going to make a self deprecating comment about not being good/smart enough to understand but it made me feel less lonely that even great men such as yourselves are plagued by limiting thoughts and that its a part of life. Such as your brilliant guest ,who has also never had thoughts of suicide, still believes that at times he does not make most of the moment, that there is more that he could have done.
Really, it was sobering and a breath of fresh air listening to you too. Thank you for being there teaching me how to grow. I mean, you're just doing you, but its teaching me how to be me.
Fantastic.
I’ve told my therapists over the years that thoughts and SI seem like “yawns” of the mind. They just come out of nowhere, no intervals or reason regardless of the circumstances in which they present themselves.
I don't believe anyone who says they haven't even thought about suicide.. that's ridiculous it crosses everyone's mind at some point or another
It really doesnt happen to some people. And it's not that rare tbh, probably 10-15% of people never think of it.
@@mikechrist9699 I agree. Some people have a lot of agency in their lives and positive emotion. And, they never face extreme tragedy (like the loss of their children). So, no, not everyone thinks about it.
No, it does not happen to all people. Read a real study about it.
Children generally don't think about it and many adults have the mentality of children.
Ive battled addiction my entire life so i definitely know what it means to be at the end of your rope with nothing else to lose. Ive considered suicide many times. Sometimes it was because of crippling sadness and emotional pain over a series of losses, others it was because i had relapsed again and i just wanted to be free of the demon that had its hooks so deep into me. Thankfully i never followed through. The thought of causing someone in my family to hurt as much as i was currently hurting by offing myself was always the thought that kept me here. Its weird. Our brains sometimes just work against us no matter what
Wow, Lex really hit some profound series of questions here. Really relatable, I feel like I ask those questions to myself often.
Re robin Williams, I believe that was euthanasia due to his terminal lewy body dementia disease. Euthanasia suicide I don’t think is generally from depression. It’s an avoidance of pain and suffering in the face of terminal illness.
Crip Mac says never commit suicide everything gonna cee alright
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@@joshbarnes225 nope
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@@joshbarnes225 perhaps
Thank you Lex, for discussing suicide. From what I've read, a person commits suicide every 40 seconds. A very complex issue. I appreciate your interview style and analytical brain...as well as the qualified experts you partake in conversations with.
Rob- do you mean that a person attempts suicide every 40 seconds or completes suicide every 40 seconds?
@Dawn Zimmerman I imagine statistics change frequently. According to an article I read, from 2019, according to the world health organization, one person dies by suicide every 40 seconds.
Bro, you don't need to feel suicidal to help me.
I've thought of it a lot but for whatever reason I still feel hope despite my life being complete shit I still feel it can and hopefully will get better in my lowest I made a pact with myself to never give up no matter what. Even if it never gets better I'll never stop fighting for peace, contentment, and happiness!!!!!!!
"A light without reason" - explains the whole universe (or multiverse)
I was a happy kid and then at puberty, BANG! thoughts of suicide out of nowhere for a short time, maybe a season. Now I get it every year or every couple of years. It took me too long to stop overthinking it. Now I just wait for the season to pass.
Insightful conversation! It may be beneficial to define your terms, as you often do, for higher degrees of specificity. Many current theories of suicide are conceptualized as ideation-to-action frameworks (e.g. Interpersonal Theory of Suicide and Three-Step Theory). These focus on not just highlighting the drivers of suicidal ideation, but also the differentiating components associated with lethal attempts.
As mentioned, this appears to be a uniquely human phenomenon, involving our abstract problem solving, and appears to be an unfortunate potentiality of human intelligence, BUT we also have the potential to mitigate this through societal and cultural (in addition to biological) means.
Wonder if the brain operates differently if the suicide is driven because of external causes? Person jumps from building to avoid death by fire, for example. Does the habenula play a role in this action?
Suicide is cessation of pain. Some comedians use comedy to assuage their inner demons. Drugs and alcohol are tools for people to escape their inner conflicts. Survivors of failed suicidal jumps say they immediately realised the mistake of the attempt as they fell. Time usually mellows the most troubling and dire circumstances that seem so insurmountable at the time. Looking back at all the major troubles and problems of my own life shows how truely insignificant these problems really were.
Some survivors are incredibly angry that they didn’t die.
Sufferers of severe chronic pain generally do not say they regret it and will generally re-attempt. It depends on the illness.
Set yourself free.
5:01 easy, he had Lowy Buddy dementia, and New that becoming years, you will not be present mentally anymore. So he was technically already dead. He only ended his bodies life.
I have almost daily thoughts about suicide but, its not so much the actual act of violence upon yourself and the physical carrying out of killing yourself, that's the thing that stops me to be honest (well not simply that), its more the fantasy of just wanting OUT from the stress, suffering and strain of life, its more like death is wanting to just switch off the game, no more existing means no more suffering on any level, its all over, none of it matters anymore.......its more like the way out of suffering through life on any level..........its like if your watching a movie you don't like you can just turn it off and its a feeling of wanting the same for your existence.
Like groundhog day
Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light'” (Matt. 11:28-30 ESV).
God bless you Lex, you made it through the censorship of suicide topic
Robin Williams' suicide was his last rational act. Other than that this was a very disappointing discussion. Very rare for Lex.
If it's wrong, illogical & against the law to kill someone/murder, why is it rational to kill oneself?
@@leonaj.5835 Read about Lewy body dementia. If it doesn't enlighten you, it may make you less stupid.
I subscribe to the thought that depression is a milder form of Bipolar 2. Bipolar 2 is classified has having high highs and low lows. We knew the man for when he was hypomanic (feeling great) and we didn't see him having the low lows. When he was hypomanic he probably craved booze and when he was depressed he probably wanted cocaine.
Great comedian. He understood probably better than most how people think and that's how he was so funny.
I have met many Psychiatrist's in my life and all of them were, self absorbed, ego maniacs, who always insisted they were right, that is right to the end when there patients suicide, sorry patients are now called consumers, I never met a Psychiatrist yet that I considered a good human being
been thinking about it a lot lately , homeless , those i helped unwilling to help me , going to fill out some medical assistance in death forms for government of ontario this week
you still here
Interesting guest
A lot less unnecessary therapy would be needed in the world,
where just a few vitamin deficiencies simply need to be corrected
Lemmings jump of of cliffs! Therefore, even animals get pissed off putting up with shit.
Suicide is badass
I think sometimes People kill themselves believing they are killing the self, not realising they are killing the ego . Unfortunately 🙏.
can you expand on your statement? how does one separate ego from the self (without using drugs)?
@@Outplayedqt I would have to say a good therapist, self reflection, meditation, mindfulness, self compassion, a trusted group to share each others fears, worries and insecurities. Courage to be vulnerable. No drugs needed.
@@jimmiller5455 those are all rich people privileges. unfortunate response to hear but a valid take for sure.
Regardless, none of it matters either way.
I feel like both of you should have had a coffee or a work out before hand as this interview did not energize and missed major points such as: L-tyrosine and 5HTP and Lion's Mane and Reishi and the gym and Tai Chi and Qigong and the absolute master of conquering depression Wim Hof...........
"Wim hof" lol yeah sure.
@@TheFracturedfuture So have you done the warrior / Tumo breath or are you just a troll who actually has no idea?
@@steveng8251 I've done it is more placebo than anything, now don't get me wrong, there's definitely benefits to it, but getting rid of depression is a bit of a stretch. If anything the Wim Hoff method made my anxiety worse.
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