Daniel Smith Color Showdown Ep 7: Quinacridone Burnt Orange vs Burnt Sienna vs Transparent Red Oxide
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- Опубліковано 27 сер 2024
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This is the seventh episode in the series comparing two very similar Daniel Smith watercolors through swatches. Learn the differences between the two colors, which one you should pick for your palette, or find out that they are both worth having!
In this episode, we compare the very popular Quinacridone Burnt Orange, Burnt Sienna and Transparent Red Oxide. So what are the differences between them?
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** Supplies I used **
+ Quinacridone Burnt Orange (Daniel Smith) www.jacksonsar...
+ Burnt Sienna (Daniel Smith) www.jacksonsar...
+ Transparent Red Oxide (Daniel Smith) www.jacksonsar...
+ Aureolin (Holbein) www.jacksonsar...
+ Quinacridone Gold (Daniel Smith) www.jacksonsar...
+ Cadmium Red Orange (Holbein) www.jacksonsar...
+ Scarlet Lake (Holbein) www.jacksonsar...
+ Quinacridone Rose (Daniel Smith) www.jacksonsar...
+ Quinacridone Violet (Holbein) www.jacksonsar...
+ Ultramarine Violet (Schmincke) www.jacksonsar...
+ Ultramarine Blue (PenholderArtUK) www.etsy.com/u...
+ Phthalo Blue Yellow Shade (Holbein) www.jacksonsar...
+ Phthalo Turquoise (Daniel Smith) www.jacksonsar...
+ Permanent Green No. 1 (Holbein) www.jacksonsar...
Papers
+ Bockingford 140lb CP watercolor paper www.jacksonsar...
+ Bockingford 140lb HP watercolor paper www.jacksonsar...
+ Bockingford 140lb Rough watercolor paper www.jacksonsar...
+ Arches 140lb CP watercolor paper pad www.jacksonsar...
Other Tools
+ Gauze www.otokano.co...
+ Pro Arte Prolene Plus size 12 round brush www.jacksonsar...
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I know this video is several years old, but I still really appreciate this side by side. I have got to say, I don't think I could thrive without all three of these. The QBO is definitely my favorite of the bunch though. It's just the right kind of luminous, it entrances me in paintings. Thanks for all your work!
PBR7 Burnt sienna is a palette staple for me. It seems like it’s the undertone of half of everything; when I’m painting landscapes or still lifes or animals or even botanicals, I go through it like crazy.
Between the other two, I prefer the transparent red oxide, because I love the granulation and I can easily mix a non-granulating earth orange from other colors on my palette. But I have to admit that the one place Quinacridone Burnt Orange really excels and has no substitute for me is in painting stormy skies with carbazole violet / dioxazine purple and indanthrone blue. It makes these great lurid greys and bruise-like greens and purples. It’s worth playing around in wet in wet just to see how those three interact, it’s fantastic.
ohhhhhhh thank you so much for explaining to us about how you use these colours. I am going to HAVE to try mixing the Quin Burnt Orange with those colours, it sounds so beautiful!
“Bruise-like”...sounds painfully descriptive!
ok, this comment had me go and pick up QBO today to see what kind of misty/angsty skies I could get. I live in the PNW and there's a specific type of ashy light blue that I could never seem to mix right, but this mixture, plus cobalt teal, hit the nail ON THE HEAD.
Thank u so much for the info!! it's so satisfying to have the exact shade I need swirled into its own pan now. mwah 10/10
Thank you so much for this video! I ended up choosing Quinacridone burnt orange cause it has everything I was looking for! Mossy greens and bright yellows and reds! I was thinking of transparent red oxide but when I think about it im not exactly needing a lot of jewel tones! And it just sparks joy! Again thank you sooo much!
I'd have a hard time picking one out of the three... The Transp. Red Oxide made such lovely mixes though ♥
It really does, I am hooked on the quin rose & transp. red oxide mix.
I was wondering why Mind of Watercolor loves M. Graham's TRO for his essential colors for limited palette since BO seemed much more rich and intense on its own, and now I totally understand why. Ahh, sweet relief. What GORGEOUS mixed colors with TRO.
Okay, so here are my two cents. I have both the QBO and BS on my main palette. I also used to have (MGrahams) TRO in addition but removed it because having all three was excessive. I find the BS and the QBO are different enough to have on the same palette and they have different uses. However, if you're only going to have one, I'd say go with the TRO because I feel it is a really fair compromise between the two in terms of granulation, staining, etc. That being said, I haven't used DS's TRO and hot dang are those some beautiful mixes!
Hey Denise, I knew you would be the master of these colors from your animal portraits! Thank you for sharing with us your knowledge of them :D Yes the TRO by DS is rapidly growing to be one of my favourites... It is such an intersting mixer. Never knew adding brown to colors could be so beautiful!
Oh dang, a triple comparison! That was intense and wonderful. It's crazy how they're all so similar yet so ... dissimilar? I think transparent red oxide is my favourite though. Those mixes are so moody and deep!
Know what you mean. I used to think they were totally the same, but doing this has really made me understand. Transparent Red Oxide is my favourite too!
I appreciate how thoroughly you review the paints in this series. I wonder if you might consider not having music in the background, though. It is distracting, particularly in this video which stays on the same chord for several minutes. Thank you from a musician. :-)
Thanks I will keep it in mind.
What a thorough treatment of color combinations. Just great and so helpful. Thank you so much for contributing to the community knowledge in this complex domain of color choices and mixing colors. Re Carolyn's comment, I do agree that "elevator music" on narrated videos as good as yours is really unnecessary and distracting.
When I started choosing Daniel Smith colours at the beginning of this year I held my breath and took a punt on Transparent Red Oxide. Although I'm more than happy with it I've been curious about QBO and BS wondering if I should have chosen one of them instead. After this demo I am very glad I went with TRO as it does exactly what i wanted it to. Thank you for the excellent comparison again.
So glad you feel confident about your choice now. I think TRO is so lovely, it mixes with the other colours the best out of the three.
I'm with Peta. I was first introduced to TSO through a DS signature collection of Steve Mitchell and grew to love its mixing features. So many teachers preach BS for mixing grays I thought I was missing something. But no, TSO is so much better for landscapes and abstract pieces. I do sometimes prefer a non-granulating form and this comparison explained very clearly why I might want to try QBO but for the sake of my all-ready-too-large palete I'm sticking with TSO.
The first Burnt Sienna I used was by W&N and I absolutely love it - probably because it isn’t just PBr07. After the W&N Burnt Sienna the Daniel Smith Burnt Sienna seemed sooooo insipid and lifeless - absolutely hate it and it has been relegated for use in ‘Jane’s Gray’, I went on to QBO as a replacement and I loooove it too, however I then discovered Daniel Smith’s TRO and I cannot believe how much I looooove it and how versatile it is - so both colours are staples on my permanent palette...
The TRO is truely a beautiful color! ❤️
You are so awesome I love this series. Especially your format for comparing your colors. Well thought out and very useful. Thank you!
Thank you so much! So glad you like the format :D Thank you for watching.
Love this entire series and the set up you created for the tests! Thank you for taking the time to show us your tests!
You are so welcome, and thank you for watching the video!
Great comparison, I currently use Quin Burnt Orange but after seeing this I want to try Transparent Red Oxide...
I LOVE the cards you made up to show all the characteristics of each paint!
I needed to decided between these and Oto Kano helped me make the choice. You are my go to when looking for and about colors. Thanks
I am so excited I found you and have subscribed after 3 videos. I find you so pleasant and informative. Thank you.
got to go for old faithful Burnt Sienna, its a classic, thanks for the tests
I would go for the Transparent Red Oxide to make beautiful neutral colors :D Also Daniel Smiths Lunar Red Rock makes amazing neutrals when mixed with blue :D
This is such a fantastic way to test out which colors provide the mixes you like most. In my opinion, the mixes at 5:08 look the best with Transparent Red Oxide. They look so much more vibrant and clean compared to the others.
Thanks for this video! I was also trying to figure out which one of the 3 I like the best, but currently have the three colors from different brands and different quality, so the comparison isn't fair. Like you I like PR101 the best. But I think the DS burnt sienna would be the better choice for nature and urban sketching. I like the more subtle natural colors you mixed with it!
Thanks for this excellent series. Each episode prompts me to explore my paints. This time I found the elegant DS quin burnt scarlet, perfect for an in-the-works sunflower, using gauze in the background after an earlier video of yours. Sometimes I'm prompted to consider a new color or appreciate one I'm using. Thanks again.
This is a fun comparison! The quin. orange makes an almost leathery texture (look) with the ultramarine blue.
Yes I agree. Quin burnt orange made the strongest texture out of the three.
I have burnt sienna and will keep that for landscapes. I was considering transp. Red oxide for glazing, now I have to have it for florals and seascapes. What gorgeous color mixes! Love these videos. Thanks so much.
The transparent red oxide and pthalo blue mix is so beautiful 😍
I watched because use burnt sienna but have been very curious about transparent red oxide. I am in love with how the transparent red oxide mixes beautifully with such a range of other colours! I may be overly drawn to clear colours but I would still choose that option as you can tone down a clear colour but you can't do much with a mix that is overly cloudy or dull. I love the colour showdowns and this comparison of three was super interesting to me as there are lot of earthy colours with fraternal twins that are quite hard to tell apart.
oo a threeway! I have tried all of these from different brands they're really great earth tones!
Yay, so glad you like these three. I am starting to sort of like... well, appreciate the earth colors more...
I am so happy that I stumbled upon your channel! Love the comparisons and the format is very clear and useful. Can´t wait to experiment more with my own paints.
If i could suggest a few future comparisons for you to consider: I'd love to see raw Umber and Sepia side by side. Also yellow ochre and raw sienna... I'm still trying to decide between these two although I already have raw umber.
Thank you Peta, I will make a note of your suggestions :)
Love the addition of the salt and the explaination for your approach for mixing. I also find myself drawn to the Transparent Red Oxide for the mixes. I really like the greens on the other two, though, and burnt sienna is such a staple for me. The Q Burnt Orange is so smooth and lovely, too, though. I feel like it would be terribly hard for me to choose between these three - I'd probably go with the red oxide in my palette for the mixes, and then have the other two to use as needed. This is such a useful comparison to refer back to, thank you.
TRIPLE SHOWDOWN BAM BAM BAMMMM!!!
Geez though.....seeing all three of the charts together, they barely look all that different. I mean, they do look different, but I can definitely see why you chose to do all three together.
I have burnt sienna and Quin burnt orange and was surprised when I fell in love with the burnt orange. Burnt sienna is just...burnt sienna. I feel like it’s a good and generally “necessary” color. While the transparent red oxide seems like it has much better mixing potential, I don’t really see a need to go out and get some when I’ve already got the other two.
I agree with you. Burnt Sienna seems to be the perfect choice for landscapes and urban sketches. But for people like us who want bright and bold, TRO or the QBO (depending on whether you want granulation or not) is the way.
I just subscribed. This review is very thorough. I have Quinacridone Burnt Orange from Daniel Smith. I use it as a substitute for Burnt Sienna. I can make a very nice dark color when I mix it with French Ultramarine. I have not tried Burnt Sienna or Transparent Red Oxide. I think that if I could get another tube of paint it would probably be that Transparent Red Oxide. Those mixes are amazing,
I am going to try the Transparent Red Oxide. I already know that Burnt Sienna is a favourite of mine but the mixes you have done with Transparent Red Oxide are beautiful
Woo hoo! The Transparent Red Oxide is so pretty in mixes. I hope you enjoy it.
Impressively detailed..just what I needed to know about these beautiful yet so similar colors. I was very intrigued by TRO already, now I'm amazed by it and I look forward to adding it to my humble student palette. ❤️ Thank you very much.
Thank you, Oto, for another interesting video! I'll definitely get a tube of Transparent Red Oxide next time I'll be shopping from Jackson's. It is wonderful in mixes (love the grey too), and as I own many watercolour sets, I'm a bit bored of burnt sienna.
Thank you so much for watching :D Yes I am a convert to the Transparent Red Oxide too. It's so beautiful in mixes, much brighter than what Burnt Sienna creates.
YEEEES THANK YOU IVE BEEN SO CURIOUS ABOUT THESE PAINTS
Ha ha ha you are so welcome, and thank you for watching the video!
Thank you so much for these wonderful series. I would include burnt sienna as I could use it with several of my ochres better. That doesn’t mean that I might not soon add transparent red oxide to my collection, or want it badly at any rate!
If you ever do a season 3 of this, then a comparison of the greys would be very interesting
thank you for making the triple comparison!
You are so welcome :D Thank you for watching.
Thank you for this excellent video. I have M Graham Quin Rust, which is also PO48, and I've been debating whether or not to get Daniel Smith's TRO. I'm pretty sure I'm going to go for it. I love the granulation and the way it mixes with the other colors.
Wonderful, informative comparison! Thank you!
You are so welcome, and thank you for watching the video!
Great, once again....I need them all for diff mixes or on there own
I have noticed that other Quin-pigments separate with ultramarine too. They are amazing together. Thank you for the review.
OK, so I purchased DS Burnt Sienna because I knew it would be a quality colour, but when I got it I feel a bit meh about it. And, well, that's because I"m coming from a student grade burnt sienna, which is PR101... I think TRO is what I am actually after. Those mixes with it just look beautiful.
Hi Oto. Just rewatched this and think i need to explore TRO. Thank you.
Wonderful comparison! Thanks!
You are so welcome, and thank you for watching the video!
I feel like the transparent red oxide would be the one I would prefer to use, mostly because of how it mixed with the other colors. I tend to work in very muted colors, unless it's blue greens. So I feel if I used this for mixing, it would help me expand my horizons in brighter colors as well. I also really love the granulation it had on it's own too.
For what you are looking for, I think that's a great choice! The Transparent Red Oxide certainly brightens up thing, but not in a stab-your-eye way. It just makes lovely lovely mixes. Hope you enjoy it!
Please, test different Burnt Umbers next!
noted! Thank you for your suggesting :D
Awwww - do I really have to choose?? I love them all! 😂
I have all three and can never choose which one I like best! 🤣🤣 I vary the choice with what I am painting. I love limited palette, but the world is so full of colour why do it all the time? Because I glaze for all of my work, this video was very helpful as it explained to me some of my frustration with some of my mixes. Love this aspect to your colour videos so many thanks. I can now choose with more information and not just because I LOVE THAT COLOUR!
Excellent video and review. Thanks for all the effort put into this. I wanted to buy a burnt sienna but I'm more taken with the red oxide. I've started using red oxide instead of burnt sienna in my oil painting. Kind regards, Michael Hemming Scape Artist
Excellent and very thorough video! May I suggest that you remove the background music - it distracts from your commentary. To me it's like listening to an ice cream truck going thru the neighborhood.
I didn’t even notice it! It was entirely in the background!
I would agree with removing the music. I attribute the distraction to my middle aged ears - background music didn't used to distract me when I was younger, but now it **really** does in videos with detailed commentary that I really want to hear (like yours!).
Wonderful, this is so helpful 👍😀 Thankyou.
You are so welcome, thank you for watching the video!
I want the Quin. Burnt Orange for the mossy greens and non-granulation. (All the Quins are fabulous!). And after watching this I want the Transparent Red Oxide. At first I wasn’t thrilled, but when all those mixed jewel tones showed up on the swatch page I knew I was going to be trading in my Burnt Sienna. I do wish that all of your samples were Daniel Smith. Would you consider redoing at least a few of your comparison vids with all DS? Thanks!! ............and wow, that transparent red oxide!...........wow!
Thanks!
PR 101 all the way the brand I like most for transparent iron oxide is Schminke seems like the most transparent and clean for me from all the brands I’ve tested even over the years I also like Holbien’s PR 101 but it’s not called transparent iron oxide.
Yes I agree, now I also feel 'PR101 all the way'! Thanks for the tip about schmincke's one, I'll keep it in mind.
What is Holbein's version called, if I may ask? I'm not very good with pigment information but I love the color!
Indian Red and Light Red :)
Thank you!
Is it Schminckes Transparent Sienna you're thinking of? I'm trying to choose which one to buy and that's the only transparent PR101 I can find on their dot card. :)
Interesting comparison video, I agree about loosing that repetitive music. Distracting. But my question is, what do you do with the gauze? I can't quite figure it out. Are you spraying glue onto it? Or water? Or what?
Your analysis are wonderful and thank you so much for sharing. I would just request that you dispense with the annoying music in the background. It's way too loud and very distracting. I find it very difficult to listen to you with the music competing so strongly.
So helpful. Thank you I love your videos
So those transparent red oxide mixes literally made me gasp! They look so gorgeous, in really unexpected ways. Quin burnt orange is my tag team sister with quin gold when I need to go down a step in saturation and darkness. So always on my palette for sure. But I might just need to kick someone out of the palette and make room for TRO. (It is also well known that I have never been particularly impressed by burnt Sienna. )
yeah I was so impressed at the mixes Transparent Red Oxide created. Like, DUDE it's brown, how is it making these colors so bright??? I'm sorry to the color that will get kicked out of your palette, but kinda also proud to have made a difference to your palette :D
Hi, thank for your great video, where can I get those papers that list colors, and you are painting samples on?
Thank you so much for this awesome comparison, it really helped. your explanations were amazing. Question: where did you get that gauze???
Interesting because other brands that use PO48 are not granulating at all. Although I find Daniel Smiths paints the most granulating because their pigments over all are not as fine milled as other brands. But sure have some awesome colors.
So I came here to decide between quin burnt orange and trans red oxide. And now i want both. 😂
Transparent red oxide for me!
Thank you for the comparison. I have greatly wondered how these three compare with each other. I have only ever used burnt sienna. Unfortunately I think that I will have to purchase the other two because there were things I liked about each one. Why can't life be simple? Lol
lol I know what you mean. They all look so similar, but when you take a closer looks they are so beautiful in their own individual way.
Can you use transparent red oxide for skin-mixes as you would with burnt sienna?
JUST FOUND YOUR CHANNEL LAST NIGHT. WOW ! THANK YOU.
HOWEVER, the music is distracting; I am am having a difficult time hearing you explain the colours.
Hey G! Thank you for coming to the channel. I am sorry about the music. I learnt my lesson after a while and have not added music to later ones.
@@OtoKano ooo thank you so much !! :) can't wait to watch your videos this weekend and learn more about colour!!
Hello Dr ! You re saying burnt orange quin isn t granulating but daniel smith doesn t agree ? Can You please explain why ? I believe quinacridone colors are good for multiple layers ... so ?
I’m surprised at how the quin. burnt orange performed when Daniel Smith labels it as a granulating color. I have used it where it has prominently granulated on certain cold press papers. I very much like the color as it is in my permanent palette. That transparent red oxide is really interesting to me though with those mixes!
In my limited experience, I've not managed to granulate a quniacridone colour. How interesting, what papers do you use?
Canson Montval and Canson 300 Series Watercolor Paper shows the Quin. Burnt Orange's granulation alright if you're looking for it. Bee Paper 140 lb Cold-Pressed 100% Cotton Watercolor paper and some other cotton papers shows subtle to strong granulation. I suppose it also depends on your technique of painting whether or not the granulation shows up. This is just my experience with the color! :)
wow that is super interesting! Thank you for taking the time to share your experience. I am going to have to experiment on lots of different paper.
There's too much paper to try out there! However, I know that some art websites offer watercolor paper samples for you to try out if you want to experiment with them all without wasting a lot of money! :) That would make an interesting new series in the distant future
Oto Kano Legion Paper offers a watercolor paper sampler that you might check out, though I don’t know if the transatlantic shipping would be too high to be worth it.
Does D.S.make a student grade which I might have inadvertently purchased? I recently bought their French ultramarine and was not that impressed, esp compared to M.Graham’s. Color much less rich in comparison. Any thoughts anyone?
I wish I could find a Burnt Sienna alternative that is NON-GRANULATING. I paint a lot of food, and granulation is my enemy. The only DS earth tones I can find are the Raw Sienna Light and Permanent Brown 😢
I think that's where the Quin Burnt Orange works (or any PO48 version)--adding a bit of phthalo or indigo blue can take down the brightness if needed (ultramarine will just add granulation back in). Hope you find your perfect color!
I love this whole series, but the music is at odds with the video and so incredibly distracting on this one that I can’t ever continue watching it
Great demo so thorough shame about the wacky tune, doesnt lend itself to this demo. Grates on my nerves. 🤔😉
Oh that music is so irritating please stop!!
These have been awesome reviews. I learned a ton !
-lease ... could you please consider this with deepest respect ... I suggest that you use find a pointer or a pen, the constantly waving hands is very,, very annoying after a few minutes. The more videos the worse it became ...