The History of Windows 8 Development
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Today's video details the development process that led to the creation of Windows 8. We take a look at 4 unique development builds compiled at different stages of the development process.
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“No matter how you feel about it, you can’t deny that this operating system released in 2012”
You got me there.
Yeah uhh, not the full quote there...
Just having a laugh aha. Great video btw, I’m about halfway through and it’s incredible how much windows 7 evolved.
Haha thanks! Yeah it’s amazing how much it changed
@@sans42858 8 was shit, also Why Do You Talk Like This
@@johnnyblaze9217 windows 12 is the best
MS: please don''t leak our work :(
Staff: no
nice pfp
At least redpill hasn't been leaked lol
@@gnomeddev it hasn't been leaked but you can still enable features restricted by redpill as shown in the video.
WHAT'Z U TALK'N BOUT WILLIS? The word 'Please' has no correlation to that confidentiality contract all employees had to sign. So was there real meaning,... go ahead with discretion?
@oof epic At least 2 employees had their employment terminated for leaking (or assisting in the leak) of early Windows 8 builds.
Microsoft: "Shhh... Let's not leak our hard work."
Microsoft employee: "That sign can't stop me because I can't read."
🤣🤣🤣
I liked 8.1. It was one of the few OSes I actually paid for. Disabling the metro view made it feel like an updated version of 7.
Windows 8 and Windows 8.1 is Windows 7 but its modern
….. y-you could’ve disabled metro view??
yea the ui actually looked good
The Windows 8 team: Can I copy your homework?
The Windows Phone team: Yeah, make sure to change it up a bit.
lmfao....so true
IKR
@CD Disk god damn I miss windows phone.
You are so correct here that its unbelievable.
Well, the Windows Phone team took Metro UI from Zune, and the idea was to eventually merge everything (CE-based Windows Mobile/Phone, Zune, Windows 8 and Windows RT) into the same OS
which almost happened with Windows 10 Mobile, but no one gave a shit
Microsoft was trying to make Windows touch screen friendly for use on tablets/phones. You see at fast-food restaurants that their cash register have buttons you touch. THe problem is some things look good on a tablet, wouldn't look good on a desktop with a large screen and vise versa
I wish they just added a switch where you could enable or disable the Charms Bar and the Metro screen.
Kohina it’s not that people didn’t like it, sure yeah there were people that just hated it the look, but a lot of people just disliked the learning curve, the same reason why Windows 8 didn’t catch on in the enterprise. Windows 8 was the tablet operating system, Windows 8.1 was more fit for a desktop, and by update 3 you could disable the charms bar and have the computer boot to the desktop. But sadly most people had already written it off by then. It was also rumored that Windows 8 was going to get a start menu, but I’m guessing that Microsoft decided that Windows 8’s reputation was already too tarnished to try to repair it (like vista) and they moved on to a new project, Threshold.
If you learned how to use Windows 8, it was just as efficient or even more than Windows 7. Search, for example, was much faster and more accurate and could be accessed by typing in the start screen.
Microsoft’s vision relied on them breaking the almost 2 decade learning curve they established in ‘95. They got away with it in 1995 because Windows was much smaller and it was almost unanimously decided that Windows 95 had an easier interface than 3.1. They didn’t have those numbers in 2012 or in 2014.
Windows 8’s plan was very similar to Windows 10. Have Windows run on everything, and have a small modern core that’s the same throughout each system (WinRT). If Windows 8 has shipped with a start menu, I feel like Windows 10 would’ve never been released and Windows 8 would’ve been the last version of Windows, we’d be on like Windows 8.6 by now. But that’s not how it is, and now we have to live with Windows 10, even with how buggy it is.
@@evancrazyerror Windows 8 aint that bad for me.
@@MiiMaker Me too!
@gooer Aesthetics are subjective. Some finds it hideous, some doesn’t mind it, and some likes it.
In summery we can say they put a lot of hard work in it. Respect developpers
But lack common sense in their work.
@@Napoleon_Blownapart LOL, but designing a ui that is cohesive and plays well for all screen sizes from 4.5" to 32" is immensely difficult, especially at a position as Microsoft was in back then...
They wanted to focus on mobile, which could potentially be really profitable, but they didn't want to sacrifice their home turf either...
That was why both Windows Phone and Windows 8 flopped...
yes one:
my sleep paralysis demon
@@tomyyoung2624 yes one?
Lol that has to be a meme!
Please! God! Yes! again!
So bizarre seeing a Windows 7-like UI go straight to a mostly-finished Start Screen on clicking the Start button.
Yeah, these builds are very unique. Definitely cool to take a look at
@@MichaelMJD hi mjd
I know how to change dev channel to beta channel with the method that lets you install windows 11 on unsupported devices
This is very interesting. Seeing a mixture of windows 7 and 8 elements on this early builds.
You should also do a windows 10 development history, it would be very interesting.
Yes win 10
Win 10 is Windows what happens when windows 7 and windows 8 have a baby
i remember when the public test version come out, before it was bloated with crap, i still have it on my dvd somewhere. i think it was 2015?
Bill Gates 9841 was perfect. Windows 8 and Windows 7 start menu combined. They should’ve really just called it Windows 8.2. Then they just started changing stuff that no one really asked to be changed and then we ended up with the buggy mess that was build 10240 in May 2015.
Windows 10 is still a under development - a Work In Progress.... It has changed SO much from the initial mess of it's release to where it is now;being pretty good, it'd be very difficult to make a video of this type covering Windows 10 without it becoming out-of-date within weeks!
Just this week we had a 'large' update that fixed whatever, and so it goes on... Windows 10 is not like the earlier, and easy to categorise Win 95, Win 98 (and 98SE), Win ME, Win XP, etc.
Microsoft have said that Windows 10 is their final version, and it will be just built upon, and refined from now-on.... So for a video of that type, where do you stop?
It would need updating every year or so just to stay relevant!!
You know i never realized what “Shhh let’s not leak our hard work” really meant back in the day, before the redpill work around was found. Because for like so many builds it was the same UI, but the new stuff was right under our noses the entire time, I just find that amusing.
youre that guy who was excited about the macbook unboxing from that archive series
Microsoft
Will installing these beta builds of Windows 8 the current date and time work? Or should I change it to 2010/2011?
@@Windows7Pro2009 Microsoft had ended support for the betas somewhere in 2010 - 2012 so , yes you need to change the date before the support ended.
@@Windows7Pro2009 I think you will have to change it in bios because it’s a beta build
i have watched this video SO many times! it's so satisfying to see how it slowly changes from an old UI to Modern UI.
Windows 7 looks more better than Windows 8 even though the OS got a new look after the 8.1 update, Windows 7 just looks like it's great compared to Windows 8/8.1
@@zank8470 but windows 8.1 has fast boot and windows 7 don't have it
@@aspec1 yes but windows 7 boot is more funny cuz i like watching the dots rotating until the window gets complete
@@zank8470 I can't take a man seriously after they say "more better" 30000 times.
@@zank8470 If we're talking about looks, Windows 8 is miles better. Don't let boomer nostalgia cloud your judgement.
I remember loading the public beta on a touch screen machine and none of us could figure out how to shut it down through the GUI
I remember using the Microsoft Developer Preview when I was messing around with my computer as a kid. I even printed out the manual they had for a short time. It's so cool seeing the history of an OS I used in beta for almost a year. Thanks for the video and keep up the hard work!
Glad you liked it! Thanks so much
How did you use it as a kid and also hi @@MichaelMJD
I installed it too lol. I remember it was 2011 i believe. I absolutely loved the start button
Same, contrary to most people, I actually fell in love with new Start menu, and cleaner design. I was like 14 when I installed it on my Thinkpad Tablet/Laptop.
Same here! I daily drove the Windows 7 beta & release candidate, and the Windows 8 developer & consumer previews when I was a kid.
I remember my friend's dad used a beta version of 8. He always tried to hide it from me like I was some sort of spy
Might have been under an NDA while using it.
👀 Wow.
Adam Baxter but i mean he would still be a kid
@@barnacles1352 Kids can still (intentionally or unintentionally) leak info about it.
today's mission: use windows 8 before rtm 😃👍
I never had an issue with windows 8. Once I figured it out, I just pinned my most used programs to the start screen like control panel and this pc and if I needed to quickly search for something, I just used the charms menu.
The consumer preview visual style is like the peak of Windows visual styles. Like, the squared-off Aero. Shit's BEAUTIFUL.
i didn't know anything about pre-release builds of windows 8, thanks for making this video dude, very interesting!
You're welcome!
Same.
i remember using Windows 8 Developer Preview back then as primary OS (and switch back again to Windows 7 for 3 weeks), and its very memorable for using some kind unstable build of Windows for the first time.
@@supercreamypudding9841 I've been following closely about pre-release Windows since Windows 7. All of them are great, not unstable, just some compatibility issues and something not available.
Except Windows 10, it never feels like a finished product. I thought things become better in RTM, but no, still very beta like
Agreed. It's a great video!
I just remember that Windows 3.1 for pen computing was a thing.
Armin I like your profile pic "use razor leaf" yeah I watch pokemob
@@funnystoriesshorts481 k
@@funnystoriesshorts481 what? No one really cares. Pokemon is 30 years old now, everyone knows about it
@@brazgazz Holy shit that was incorrect by more then half a decade!
@@Elenrai denmark
Correction: Development for Windows 8 began in the early 2010s. 7850 has a build date of 22nd September 2010, whereas 7700 (which is visually and functionally identical to Windows 7's RTM build) was compiled on the 22nd of January 2010, most possibly several days/weeks after 7652 (which was obviously an architecture implementation test and can be considered a post-RTM build).
The date that shows on your install of 7850 was set to the 1st of January 2009, which is period-incorrect (as Windows 7 was indev during that period) and thus can timebomb your build and show the "not genuine" tag.
Hope this helps with future videos.
I actually really enjoyed Windows 8 once I got used to it, especially after the 8.1 update. The start screen was extremely intuitive if you knew how to work it, and I loved to spend hours arranging all of my tiles in all their little groups. The whole thing somehow felt bigger than it was, I guess is the best way to explain how it made me feel. It felt futuristic, love it or hate it.
I also loved how Google Chrome had a "Windows 8 mode" that launched it in a full-screen environment that was identical to the then-current iteration of the Chrome OS. Things like that are what make me miss the operating system.
Having the larger icons on Start made it faster to click the icon you wanted.
@Random Gaming no idea why people are so obsessed with support, i'm still on 7 and hardly noticed the lack of microsoft support.
@@evila9076 Office 365 is very hard to get working on 7 (though it is possible) and there's very many programs that no longer work on it.
That's what I loved about Windows 8.x, I immediately got used to it one week after using it on my (formerly) new 2013 laptop, for me personally this was the best version of Windows ever (behind XP certainly).
Even though I used Windows 10 since 2016 until (finally) upgrading to Windows 11 last year, I hated it so much for removing what Windows 8.x had, and I consider it as the worst version of Windows (worse than Windows ME... yes, I said that.), being bland, overbloated (more than 11 and 8.x combined), ugly UI, uncustomizable, the Store in Windows 10 felt like a downgrade to 8.x's, and the tablet mode is by far the worst thing ever...
I miss Windows 8.x
@@evila9076 u still on windows 7?
Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong, but if I recall correctly, one of the Windows 8 developers recently said on Twitter that the "crossword" backgrounds actually form some sort of coded message, which has still yet to be cracked.
I had never seen the crossword until this video and when I saw I thought, man there definitely has to be a message there lol
wasn't it Jensen harris who said it?
Maybe the message of the crossword puzzle has a meaning. Cloudnt you backtrack the leak to someone if they have the picture displayed in a Screenshot. Like a watermark
The message was actually decoded, to form the phrase “Start Me Up” an interesting callback to the Windows 95 days (the background was not for security purposes)
Yes. The patterns were a coded message to extraterrestrials.
I had a drink at the Charms Bar.
But then I spat out the drink.
I SPILL MY DRINK!
@@Jamesaepp What a shame.
@@CaveyMoth He was a good man. *lip smack* What a rotten way to die.
@Musical Neptunian -
Windows 8 was an absiolute horror to me & every time I set up a windows 8 PC new , the fist step is to get rid of the tiles
More people preferred Windows 7 at the time, so (most) new PCs with Windows 8/8.1 preinstalled, they downgraded them to Windows 7.
some of these builds just give huge loads of nostalgia for some reason
like it just takes me back to "2011 me on a rainy day in the car on my brother's iPad playing Minecraft and old games"
I love how some of the prototype apps looks like a kid masched some apps together in Visual Studio and calling it an Operating System.
Never mind I was such a kid back in the day lol
same
I miss the old Windows 8.1 Start Shining Animation when the pointer is pointed on it. It was kinda cool though
sadly removed in win 10
I also wish the win7/8 style effect when hovering over programs in the taskbar was still there in windows 10
Windows 8.1 + Classic shell = windows 7 2.0 😁👍
Im still using Windows 8.1 since 2013 still didn't want to update to windows 10
@@rolandhazuki8787 ye same It's still a really good os but I'm upgrading next week
@@rolandhazuki8787 do you still get updates?
I remember being excited about Windows 8's development. The Metro UI wasn't as beautiful as Aero. (Still bummed that our future went to flat squares instead of sleek glass.) But like "Longhorn", Microsoft in Windows 8 took a leap of faith, a gutsy move. I still want "Treehouse Stampede" from the Developer Preview to be ported to Windows 10. It is the only game I know which encouraged making a long word out of three given letters. Thanks for this trip back, Michael MJD.
I honestly loved windows 8. The moment I worked out how to use it properly it made so much more sense than the old start menu style.
One thing I thought was interesting was that the Aero Glass interface was updated during development of Windows 8 to be able to run on lower end graphics hardware, using software rendering as a fallback. Yet they ended up removing Aero Glass entirely in the final build.
They still use that engine, just that Aero is gone.
I still remember when Windows 8 was barely new. Remember seeing the “Building Windows 8” video back in 2011.
I still remember figuring out how to get the Windows 8 Consumer Preview running on my dinky Inspiron 1501.
I used windows 8 for ~5 years. When I upgraded to Windows 10, it was a blast how much I was missing out on.
U chose to use a joke of an os. What do you expect.
@@evila9076 you're an 8 year old who probably never even tried windows 8
@@evila9076 calm down it isnt that bad 😭
@@evila9076 bro it's not that deep
This was so interesting to watch! Thanks for the great video!
You’re welcome! Glad you liked it
16:25 This theme is better than official...
I mean, literally every Windows 8 build theme is better than the final one TBH. Though 8 RP IMHO is the best rendition of Aero made, with Windows 7 Aero coming at a close second.
Despite it being unsuccessful commercially, I think Windows 8 was an important stepping stone in what we perceive as Windows today. And the system was fast. Like, super fast.
It was my favourite Windows at the time, and I think it was refined pretty well 8.1 and the next update in 2014. Too bad it (still) lacked in UX :(
It was and still my favorite too. And yeah, it was fast. Faster than win7 on my old laptop. Happy to see someone agreeing with me on this for the first time.But I am not sure I agree with you about 8.1, once the update came, the system started to be slow.
@@omar_5352 my graphics card is so stupid, that the XP drivers are more up to date than the 8 drivers, so i will not run 8
I run it with Classic Shell, and am perfectly happy with it.
@@virtualtools_3021 Your GPU has standards. No need to be angry at it. Just get Win 10.
The Potato Of 42 WinPadOS 10 is going to be even worse, just let that guy do what he/she wants.
This was the most interesting video I have watched in a long time. I downloaded and installed every version of windows 8 possible and its so cool what was underneath
This was a really interesting video! Thank you so much for it! Didn’t know a lot of these things 🙂🙌🏻
no one:
my sleep paralysis demon: 13:52
lmao
creepy
That's my least favourite win7 wallpaper
Kinky
Oh no . Why did I click on this ? I almost forgot about this . Shit
"How do you do things on Windows 8?"
-danooct1
The Zika virus video.
@@skoda8666 Thanks
Microsoft Bob UI > Windows 8 "Metro" UI
"I miss the start menu"
Love that dust mite with sunglasses picture lol
I’m watching on August 1st 2022 10 years after windows 8 release
Windows 8.1 was (and still is) sure the most beautiful looking windows ever (after 7). Yes, it is looking pretty similar to windows 7, but just with more modern design.
I agree. Metro by far has to be my favorite design Microsoft has ever made. Something about the way it's designed and how it changes across different devices is very pleasing to me, some feeling no other UI has been able to replicate.
13:53 Well that was horrifying.
I'm running away from the background
16:35 i love this charms menu
This is such a cool video! It provides such an insight on how operating systems are made.
Really enjoying the recent return of Windows development videos. It's been quite some time since the first videos on Whistler and Longhorn came out. Would like to see a video on 8.1 development and/or 10 (I realize the last one might not be doable, as Windows 10 still has the same basic feature set since its introduction in 2015... plus, development of Win10 is not over yet!)
Thanks for this vid! I haven't seen much on the development of Windows 8, this was a great overview.
Thanks so much!
Other than the start screen, Windows 8 is an OS was really not that bad. Although, just like Windows Vista, I have no reason to use Windows 8 anymore.
I remember playing with the Developer and Consumer preview versions (in a VM, very, very slowly!) back then. It was very novel and different!
Didn't actually mind the start screen that much, what drove me crazy was the missing "Start" button, especially in RDP sessions or when trying to explain to my parents how it worked. Luckily 8.1 fixed a lot of that weirdness, and Windows 10 brought things down to earth again even further.
Oh rdp and start screen. I still have nightmares of it
the store tile at 18:50 looks so much better... wish they kept it in final release and carried it over to 10.
for windows phone it was there
Windows 8 wasn't very bad, I (during it's popularity) had loved it. The touchscreen based U.I had seemed fascinating to me
Looking back on Windows 8, I think what bugged me most was that it felt like a huge mismatch of different things. You had your desktop, you had a new start menu, you had apps, you have your windows programs. It looked messy and unfinished. At least with Windows 10, they're working on it. Windows 10 at least feels more coherent to use.
Windows 10 is a Tablet OS, it's nearly unusable without heavy modifications.
Windows 10 is an even worse mishmash. There's regular windows, tablet windows (like the settings menu), Windows Explorer has ribbons from Office 2010, Group Policy editor still looks like in XP, what a mess.
@@MicroChirp I agree that Windows does have a huge problem with consistency in all of its windows software, though it seems like with Windows 10, they are starting to fix it...albeit as piecemeal
I don't really understand all the hate since for me, Windows 10 is just... fine. Like sure I'm using a 4gb ram laptop with a dual-core processor, but there's nothing wrong.
One thing tho, Win 10 feels big compared to Windows 7, like Vista is compared to XP back then.
@@aidancommenting I made that comment a good year ago, but I disagree. I said in my original comment that I feel that Windows 10 was starting to become more coherant, in terms of the software as a whole. Windows 11 has continued that so far. It is Windows 10, but with a bit more polish and a lot more ambition. And its a big step up in terms of unifying the whole look of the OS, at least for what most users access.
Really enjoyed this video! I’d really like to learn more about public reaction and the development of 8.1
I must be one of the few that like 8.1. It has the quickest boot time of any MS OS I have used. Even on mechanical drives. I refurbish and sell old PC's, and use it quite often. It is a good mix of Windows 7 and 10.
I Tried Windows 8 Development Builds A While Ago And Now Seeing A Video Of It Is Great.
Nice seeing you again, patatje joppie guy!
I never used Windows 8, other than occasionally helping my dad with his computer. As for my machines. I kept using 7 until 10 came out.
Same, I switched to W10 when Ryzen 3000 series released mid 19'.
Same
Im still on win7 on my 1055T.
@@laharl2k change your os, it's so insecure to run an outdated os as your main os
Same here
Surprised you didn't notice.
The Sudoku puzzle in the middle was no random puzzle
The Sudoku puzzle was the ID of the build, only certain teams within windows had certain sudoku puzzles IDs.
After the Major release of the first build leak, the puzzle was added to later builds. When the windows 8 project was full release layoffs happened within the teams that leaked the unfinished builds.
This is the same method they used to catch leakers of the xbox 360 dash board with the water like rings giving out the console UUID in binary format in the console's home menu.
17:45 - Every since I saw this video the first time around, I’ve found this glitchy background to be more symbolic in the way of how far this has gotten. Like that black and white side is representing Windows‘ nearing the end of its transformation. Like it’s kinda dying as it reaches the final phases of its developer betas. And that completely blank side of the background is like a representation of its eventual death and rebirth of sorts into the final version of Windows 8.
Like that fish that was shown in those boot up screens in later beta builds? Maybe the reason why that was never seen in the final release is because that was made to... Like it existed in order to guide Windows to its reincarnation of being the final version of Windows 8 when it was nearing completion.
Okay, but what did you smoke?
@@MaakaSakuranbo probably crack
Great video Michael!! Very interesting. I love these historical development videos. Keep them coming!
Thanks! Glad you liked the video
Informative video, MJD!
I still have Windows 8 running on some machines. Underrated or not.
I loved Windows 8.1, my favorite Windows release. Even bought a Windows Phone, great device.
Unpopular opinion : win 8.1 isn't bad
Agreed
Nice video! I never saw anything about the UI of the early builds like this before. Maybe you could do a video about the development of 8.1 and the changes between the two.
Caution: this video contains a minor jumpscare.
lmao 13:50
Everytime he opens the start screen?
@@silvercoulter haha
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!
@@silvercoulter And that
13:27 The folder is from windows 11.
Windows 8 was my first OS I experienced. It was amazing.
Such a great video! I personally love Windows 8.1, other people seem to like it for the wrong reasons. From what I've experienced Windows 8.1 is the fastest os I've ever had. It even ran on a Pentium 4. Such a lovely OS.
Nice video! Windows 10 Development history will also be a great Idea!
windows 8.1 is rock solid, it is a better OS than windows 7
TheQuantumMadness Agreed, Micro$haft WinPadOS 10 has too much Tablet UI crap as well. At least with 8.1 you can avoid Metro.
I remember running the Windows 8 Developer Preview on my main rig, even made the mistake of installing AMD's beta drivers for the thing, which resulted in quite the buggy sight on games like Team Fortress 2. Polygons missing textures in places, the game was basically unplayable. I think that was also the point that Microsoft killed support for the older driver standard they'd used with XP ,Vista and 7, as they did a full leap to WDDM, so things that worked fine on Windows 7 may not work anymore on Windows 8.
windows 8.1 is my favorite OS to date. i have a disk of windows 8.1 i bought in 2014 and every time i re install i disable updates and it runs flawlessly forever
I really liked Win 8. It was very snappy and smooth running for me. Learned really fast to use it and work better than on 7.
But yeah, it could be inconsistent in mixing two interfaces, 8.1 fixed a lot.
Windows 8 and Windows 8.1 are very simular
I found Windows 8 infuriating. Especially on my convertible tablet, the graphics wouldn't even render the same in terms of colour and resolution in Metro mode as Desktop mode, which was incredibly jarring on the MANY occasions the interface switches back and forth between the two. For example, you would swipe in to open settings from the right-hand bar in Desktop, then that would go into full screen Metro setting screen, then you click to get more options and then it would just go back to the desktop mode and load the old control panel app for that setting (say keyboard or mouse) from years ago -- infuriating! :) Also, who though this was a good idea: "Something went wrong *:(*" way to irritate users when their computer crashes!
I enjoyed Windows 8 when it came out and still have my copy from 8 years ago!
8 hours ago
I have a copy too for 32 and 64 builts, it sucked, back to using Win 7 Pro, and Win 10 Home on a recent computer purchase cause of all the hardware changes to keep things working, Win 10 to me is Win 8.5 sucks with the floating squares, let me please set the old default menu retro Windows, please.
Win 8 was fine with something like Classic Shell to get back the desktop and start menu. I installed immediately after Win 8 and never suffered the Metro UI.
Eventually updated to 8.1 (though no rush with Classic Shell).
I have access to machines with 10 (use at work) and find no reason to update to 10 vs my 8/8.1 setup.
They also made WIndows flat again like in Windows 3.1, removing Windows 7's beautiful aero
YAAaaa... eye candy is fattening.
Speak to yourself classictheme is best simple and nice
I prefer flat Windows
it also used to be possible to set the classic theme in flat mode i think tclock on win95 (for the taskbar)
Imagine preferring metro over aero lol
One of your best videos yet!
Today I learnt.....winver. I have been administering Windows for nearly 20 years and never knew this.
Simon T omg lol
lol
15:02 lol that date is my birthday 😂
oh
I actually installed windows 8 on my first custom pc when I was 14, and I honestly liked it. It looked so new and modern and colorful compared to windows 7.
12:40 that's the fish from an early win7 build's wallpaper in the corner!
Right Corner perhaps, you can see the Betta fish.
Me: Tries out Win+C on Windows 10
Cortana: Hey! Remember me?
Windows 8 is still a great OS if you use a Start Menu replacement like Classic Shell. It's like Windows 10 without the bloatware.
What is bloatware?
And without the annoying problems or spying!
@@mutsumiomori It's like a program that you don't want on your computer that is pre-installed that causes your computer to run very slowly.
Fair enough Microsoft wanting a touch screen version of Windows, but Windows 8 on a desktop was a horrible mess - Microsofts biggest mistake. I stayed with Win 7 until I had to upgrade to 10.
7 was bad compared to how good 10 is today
what? how did you have to upgrade to 10?
@@tamilwarrior8420 A little something called the EOL. Some people mind it, some people ignore it.
@@tamilwarrior8420 Work laptop. No choice
Windows 10 without extremely heavy modifications is also a mess on desktop; touch screen crap is everywhere.
Great video, great research done...tops..congrats with that ;-)
Thanks for the video...this how i spend covid quality time for old knowledge
I was ok with Win 8.1. I loaded Classic Shell, set Windows to default to desktop and used it like a non-aero Win 7. Worked fine. Actually, it is still one of my favorite versions of Windows. Simple, uncluttered, no telemetry.
@Mike-T.:
It had Telemetry (except that Microsoft made more of an effort to hide it from common-knowledge of the general-public). Windows 8 was the first version of Windows to add on to the Microsoft "End-User Licence Agreement" "we reserve the right to scan your pictures, photos, videos, music-files, and other documents, when-&-if we believe we have "good faith" to do so. and only we at Microsoft have the to make that determination of " *when* is it "good faith" to do so?" ". *AND* Windows 8 was also the *first* version of Windows to force you to have a Microsoft account (ie. an account of an already-existing Microsoft product (Hotmail. Skype. etc)) *just* to be able to log-in to your computer.
As Bart Simpson would say (in regards to all those "looking over your shoulder" practices): "Ay Caramba!"
"Your most unhappy customers are your greatest source of learning." - Bill Gates
in that case windows has a lot of learning but no knowledge gained.
Love this series.
I love your videos and for me you are a great youtuber!
I actually love Windows 8 so much! I liked the new redesign... but well... not everybody liked it and in Windows 10, there is no way to make it look like Windows 8/8.1 anymore... Even if enabled the "full start menu" option :(
I agree, I prefer windows 8 with classic shell than windows 10
:)
Me too. I missed the Windows 8 Start Screen, Charms bar, Slick animation, and Tracked gestures. I wish there was an _option_ to bring these elements back (maybe the Tablet Mode? They've kinda abandoned it). These would've been great for touch.
I wish someone would port these Windows 8 elements back to Windows 10, like how someone ported Windows Phone 10 UI to regular desktop Windows 10.
Tonia Magnisali Same, at least with 8.1 Metro can be avoided, while with 10 you can't avoid UWP.
I had a first gen Surface with 8.1 and loved it, the charms and revised start screen were so easy to use on the surface. The tablet feature in Win10 was a huge downgrade imho, if they kept the 8.1 interface for tablets and 2-1 devices while simultaneously working to fix the desktop experience for laptops and desktops would have been the best of both worlds.
Agreed.
The games which came with the developer preview were amazing.
And of course I remember installing all 3 previews when they were subsequently released.
@Jelly11 Beta Fixed it, must've been a glitch, I don't recall posting it twice
Great video
Windows 8 is one of my favourite Operating systems
2:32 when you want to high tech but still love old product
Also watched ur windows 10 video..
both were amazing
Yes I WAITED THIS VIDEO FOR SOOOO LONG
MJD: "Windows 8"
Me: **[has ptsd flashbacks to that evil start screen]**
Can you do next "The History of Windows 10 Development" ?
He did it!
i love this video! ^w^
windows 8/8.1 is my 2nd fav OS!
(first being XP and 3rdly being 7.)
learning about windows 8 Development is just...wow. OwO
i like how the developers of windows 8 just put a funny wallpaper there on the first build, they probably had some fun when developing this
I always wondered how Microsoft managed to release such a steaming turd of an operating system despite their extensive user testing program. Now I understand - they let people "test" versions of the OS with all the contentious changes disabled by this "Redpill" scheme. It could have come straight from a Dilbert strip.
No. I think Redpill was disabled every time they compiled a preview build, such as Dev Preview, Consumer Preview, and Release Preview.
They managed to do it again with Windows 11. Testers could run it everywhere but MS decided to only allow few hardware configurations to run it in the end. Also, they changed A LOT of useful features by making them more cumbersome to use, or removing them completely. It's like they learned nothing from Windows 8.
No wonder there're rumors about Windows 12 being already in development. What a load of crap.
3:15 I think he was referring to UWA (Universal Windows App) platform which then become UWP (Universal Windows Platform) in Windows 10 which makes you able to write one app with one code that works on every Windows device (PCs, Tablets, Windows Phone (Which later become Windows 10 Mobile), Xbox, Windows Embedded 8/8.1 (Which later become Windows IOT)) as these devices were all running Windows with the same Kernel/Core and even with the same UI (same UI was planned to be on Windows 10 Mobile in a sort of Microsoft CShell (Composable Shell) but then canceled but there were some Insider builds with this feature). This is the most useful and awesome feature in Windows imo especially the new UWP awesome controls, APIs, and modern fluent design
Great Video BTW 👌
Honestly liked the windows 8 start menu. Liked how sorta futuristic it looked.
Without Redpill the early beta builds just look like 7 on steroids. I love it. Some of the features in 7850 should have been added to an update for Win 7. The taskbar user icon, centered window titles, and explorer ribbon are really nice combined with the Aero interface. I like the 7927 logon and setup interfaces too.
Where can I get the desktop background from the windows version at 16:12