Royal Enfield Scram 411 Review | Looking forward to the Guerrilla 450 |
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- Опубліковано 6 сер 2024
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As we are awaiting the release of the new Royal Enfield Guerrilla 450, which we believe is essentially the "Scram" version of the new Himalayan 450, but with a few more differences than the Scram 411 was to the Himalayan 411, I really wanted to get out on the Scram 411 so I would have something to compare the new bike to (when we get to ride it).
I didn't really gel with the Himalayan 411, so what would I think about the Scram ? Please watch to find out.
Many thanks to Roger and Carl at Crewe Motorcycle Centre, for letting me take this showroom prepared used bike, out for a ride.
Thanks for watching.
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I loved the demo ride I had on the 411 Scram, luckily I was able to take it off-road in SE Oregon. What a blast! If I had the room for one I’d have it.
The old school simplicity is the thing that will be lost with the 450. I think the 411 Scram will go down as one of the bikes I SHOULD have bought.
I hear what you are saying, but the 450 is such a leap forward in my humble opinion. I couldn’t get on with the Himi 411, but was blown away with the Himi 450. I am hoping the Guerrilla is a bit lower and lighter, can’t wait to try it out 😃 Cheers
loving the demo ride. I called in at Crewe the other week for a service on my 358 classic ,I now have a 450 Himalayan. Marvellous.
😂😂 result Andy, congratulations 🥳 Which colour did you go for ? You know my feelings on the 450 😉
@@ianhughesroyalenfield I dropped lucky managed to get the white with tubeless spoked wheels
@andyheath9743 my new first choice in colour, excellent news. Please keep me up to date as to how you are getting on with it 🤗
Enjoyed the vlog lan thank you. Hope all goes well for Ann. Take care. Regards, Mo 😊 👍
Thanks Mo.
I totally get how you feel about the Scram and the Himalayan. The Scram has a smaller front wheel than the Himmy; that will make quite a big difference to the riding experience. It would be a bad job if we all liked the same thing Ian.
I haven’t ridden a Scram; as far as I know the front wheel is the only difference that might alter the ride characteristics.
The 411’s are quite rough till they get a few miles and then it smooths out nicely.
The J series engine is much more refined than a 411 and in my humble opinion is a better power plant.
Enjoyed the ride and banter; as always. It’s good you give your personal experience and feelings of each bike you ride; great stuff.
Thanks bud, ride safe.
Thanks Neil, I do like to be honest, even though it might gain me some criticism….hey ho 😂. Someone on the Royal Enfield Farcebook group has put up another fresh photo of the Guerrilla 450……omg 😍 I really can’t wait for that. I am hoping it’s as good to ride as the Himi 450, but easier to get both my feet flat on the floor 🤞Had a nightmare couple of weeks, hopefully back on track soon 👍
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Ann falling poorly like that must have been a worry and then your dad too; that’s a lot bad stuff on your mind.
I hope Ann is feeling better and on the road to recovery. Please give her our love.
Listen; don’t feel bad about offending people. Anyone that is offended by the fact that your not keen on 411 Himalayan’s then BE OFFENDED. You haven’t slagged it off in any way; you have given an honest evaluation on how that bike makes you feel; is all.
The Himalayan has a 21 inch front wheel and I think the Scram has a 19 inch front wheel. I’m presuming the 450’s will be the same; as the Scran/Gorilla are road oriented bikes.
Your doing good bud; say it as you see/feel; don’t change, be honest.
Ride safe
As always, thanks Neil, appreciated.
The Scram in my opinion is much better than the Himalayan 411 so much so I've got one, brilliant for daily use, the 19" front wheel, and the different ecu mapping completely changes the bike. 😊
I agree 👌 Cheers
I agree with you. It handles much better on the road and the seat is more comfortable in my opinion.
Indeed Jonathan 👍
Nice to see you out, Ian. 👍Not really my sort of bike, but to each their own. Good value for money, though, I think.
Nor mine Chris, but the upcoming Guerrilla, well, that’s another thing all together 😎 Cheers
I have owned a Scram for the last 2 years. It has been my only form of transport, commuting around 20 miles per day, through city traffic. It has been amongst the best commuter bikes that I have owned (35 years riding, 30+ bikes). Costs me between £5-£7 per week to run. Lack of power isn't noticeable for city use. It will cope with motorways but it isn't ideal. Although I have commuted 70 miles per day on a 250cc in the past.
The fuel gauge is rubbish! Shows low fuel with 7 litres left in!
I came to this bike from an 1100 Shadow, so the seat height seemed towering to me when I first got it!? Don't notice it now.
All in all, I am very pleased with the Scram. I am intending to buy a second bike in the near future, for fun and touring but I am not planning to get rid of the Scram. As an all weather commuter, it is hard to beat imo.
Definitely a good commuter, and ok in the twisties on the lanes, so it’s a win win, but not one for me. Cheers
I just passed my CBT a month ago. My motorbike is my only (personal) form of transport currently. I was looking at the RE scram 411 as my first "big" bike, to use for commuting and whatever but I believe RE will be releasing a new version of the scram himalayan engine with a slightly increased engine bore size to 440cc (not the 450cc water cooled Sherpa engine) probably around January next year. That would probably put it around 28hp which is in line with the Harley Davidson x440 (designed for the Indian market). Supposedly RE are working on a 650 Scrambler as well.
@Bordpie RE have a lot of things going on, plus there are a lot of rumours out there. Trying to sort the wheat from the chaff can be a nightmare 😉. What we do know is that, is that in the early hours of tomorrow (17th July), they will reveal the Guerrilla 450, now that would make a cracking first big bike, unless of course you want to remain a traditionalist 😎.
Nice bike that one Ian. Quite like it, especially with the wee fly screen. Lovely colour. Didn’t see it on their web site.
Thanks Mark, I don’t think they have used bikes on the website. A phone call would be the way to go 👍. Those tasty extras looked well. 👍
Fair play. It seems that it is straightforward to make good progress on that 411. I have only seen the Himalayan variant which was well put together at 'Mounts' of Swansea. They were impressed with the build quality of all of the Royal Enfields which are selling well.
Yes indeed Dezmond, they are certainly well put together 👍
Good evening Ian the old scram out the two RE’s I had that was the best one upset for the spokes at the tarnish look out on 6 months old but otherwise went well that one did 👍🏍️😎
Thanks Derek, yes, shame about the spokes. Cheers
Carl tried to sell me that very bike!
I have the 411 Himalayan and I think it's brilliant for the use I'm putting it to and is very customisable to adapt to your particular needs. The Himalayan seat also pushes you forward onto the tank, I had mine rebuilt by SAS autotrim which overcomes this and provides more height and comfort for my long legs! I prefer the instrumentation on the Himmy over the Scram.
The new 450 is really a different animal to the 411 and I'm not sure I'd rush to change to one just yet as I have really bonded with the 411.
Best wishes to your wife for a speedy recovery.
Thank you, much appreciated. I really wanted to like the Himi 411, as I thought it looked great, but I just couldn’t take to it, the same applies to the Scram. This Scram, has a few tasty extras, and pretty sure it’s at the right money too. The 411’s do have a strong fan club, which shows how wrong I am 😂😂 Cheers
@ianhughesroyalenfield I wouldn't say you were wrong as these bikes didn't do anything for you, I found the same with the Interceptor. I really wanted to like it, but it was very uncomfortable and did nothing for me, I much preferred the BSA Goldstar to ride.
It’s great that we all like/dislike different things, life would be very dull if we were the same. Cheers
TAYM says Ann is now home, good news indeed! I can attest, you feel MUCH better at home, I'm sure you will be making sure she wants for nothing, and Pip will be an extra comfort, wishing Ann a speedy recovery, she is in good hands! Cheers, DINO, PANDA and Da boyz.
Thanks guys. Yes, Ann back home, and would be feeling ok, if she hadn’t developed a bad head cold 🫣. It never rains but it pours 🙄. We were thinking that Pip would make a great therapy dog, and yes indeed, she is doing her job well. I will try and get out on Clementine and explain all, it’s been a rough week 😢, hence why this video wasn’t edited very well today, my mind wasn’t on it 🤦♂️. The ride on the Scram, was done the day before 🙄. Cheers mate
Morning Ian 😊 Well, the 350j has a far smoother engine, but when I ride the Himalayan, I prefer the 411 rattle and roll and old tractor character of the Himalayan. Really enjoyed the video Ian 👍
Thanks James. The Himi 411 is certainly agricultural 😂, the Scram a little less so strangely enough. You do feel though, that the 411 would quite happily trudge through a muddy field, whilst pulling a trailer full of spuds 😉😃
Apparently we’ve had the hottest May and June since records began 🤣👍
😂😂😂 yeah right.
I love the bike too, the one thing that is stopping me to take one of the few last ones in my local RE dealer is the lack of central stand. Maybe stand from a Himmy will fit probably. On bike with chain and spoke tubed wheel is a must ... And the front wheel is 19" instead of the 21" on the Himmy .. The new guerrilla is with 17" front
Yes, agree. Very odd that RE decided not to fit a centre stand to the Scram. The new Guerrilla has 17” front and rear’s, not the “Scram” type I was thinking of, but I was just trying to imagine what it might be, without knowing 😂. Having seen the Guerrilla, I can’t wait to get on one, and will as soon as they are released. Cheers
@@ianhughesroyalenfield I am going to test the scram tomorrow at my local RE dealer /i'm on the other side of Europe but it does not matter really/ .. The 2nd hand market at the moment is flooded with almost new Himmys 411s and it's real bargain to get one now. Cheers, i'm watching your Himmy 450 adventures.
@Stefan_trekkie thank you, I hope you enjoy them, and stick around for when the Guerrilla is released 😉
Maybe should have got the scram over the 411. But I prefered the seating position.
The Triumph Scrambler 400x looks quite tasty in this price segment.
Wishing your wife all the best!
Thanks Maurice, appreciated. It will be interesting to see where the Guerrilla is priced, I am guessing below the Triumph.
Nice one Ian I think the Scram always seemed more preferable to me personally the new updated one being the Gorilla will be very interesting to see with the new engine and from those snapshots looks pretty good as does the Himmi but I wonder how the Triumph 400 X will effect sales as it surely is a big competitor in this market . Hope all is well with your good lady and things are on the up gotta say the weather is just not playing the game this year it's bloody awful😉👌👍 .
Morning Mal, I think we are on the same wavelength here. From what I have read (a lot), it could be priced less than the Triumph 400 X, and it will need to be. I had a thought last night, what if RE bring out two versions of the Guerrilla ? Like the baby Triumph. Now that would be an option 🤔, exciting stuff. Ann ok thanks, came out of hospital with a cold, so a bit miserable for her at the moment. We will have to return for more tests etc, to try and find the cause. If the weather ever bucks up, I will nip out on Clementine to tell the tale.
@@ianhughesroyalenfield Good to know Ian look forward to that I've been in a similar boat lately .👍
Oh dear, sorry to hear that Mal. Hope you are improving.
"It's alright" hardly a ringing endorsement but like you said it's an old bike and the 450 is so much better. It will have to be priced very competitively that's the only way it's going to sell, otherwise its going to remain there for some while.
Having ridden the 450 Ian, it’s hard for me to be enthusiastic about the 411………but the 411 has its fans, which is a good thing. Cheers
Personally, I feel the 411is a better design as the 450... I like the tank, seatcover and side panels of the 450 but combined it does not look like a good match. Could be the frame and side panel shape is an afterthought? the 411 shape looks more matched with the frame.
And the 450 reminds me of a more rounded Vitpillen tank.
Owning a Guzzi Griso and a classic350 I am amazed you think the gearbox of the 411 is even better LOL! I was shocked already on the classic engine.
kr, Erik
Life would be very boring if we all liked the same things 😂……. I don’t remember saying the 411 gearbox was better than the Classic 350 though 🤔
Usual good video Ian, thanks. Has it been confirmed by RE that the 450 Gorilla is a replacement for the Scram. I've seen a few reports (both Indian and UK) that says the updated Scram model is having a revamped 411 engine that will take it to 440cc?🤔 I quite like the outgoing Scram and particularly at the new bargain prices they are being sold at with over a grand knocked off the price, cheap bike for someone.
The outgoing Himalayan is also selling like hot cakes and moreso than the new model. I must admit personally, I'm not a fan of the new one, it's lost its charm, character and the RE DNA, take the badges off and it could any adventure style bike, too generic but each to their own. Hope Anne gets better soon, all the best to both of you.👍
Thanks Jonathan. I too have heard/read that the 411 Scram is to get an engine size increase, time will tell. Maybe I should have worded it differently, but I meant that the Guerrilla is a “Scram” version of the Himi 450, not necessarily to replace the existing Scram, lord knows if that makes any more sense 🤔😂, this was a prime example of trying to concentrate on the road, and controlling the drivel which exits my mouth 🙄😂. I like the way that RE are still providing bikes for traditional fans, as well as offering more up to date motorcycles, though I hope they don’t think that they can compete with the big boys, as they can’t ! They have to be careful, as the Chinese bikes are gaining momentum, especially CF Moto, which is one of their main competitors against the Himi 450, with many saying it’s a better bike. Roger, at Crewe Motorcycle Centre, has bought a load of the Himi 411’s as demand is still there for them. Thanks for the well wishes. I am just working on a video, where I attempt to explain what’s been happening with us. The first part of the ride is ok, but I forgot to plug the bloody mic in to the camera on the return, so relying on zoom audio. Really don’t know how it’s going to turn out, or whether to just scrap the second half 🙄. My mind is fuddled at the moment. Cheers
@@ianhughesroyalenfield You and yours are no 1 priority, look after yourself in particular and I hope Anne makes a speedy recovery. Now that she's in the system things should move along quite swiftly. Don't worry about your channel and making vlogs. All the best mate.👍
Thanks Jonathan. Ann is still keen on me to get out and create content, but I don’t want to go too far just yet. Cheers
Morning Ian, I may be mistaken but I thought there was no difference in seat, frame etc between this and the Himalayan, only the wheel sizes. Of I HAD to choose this it the himmy I'd get the himmy.
More than likely ice, I have never really paid much attention to the Scram tbh, after not liking the Himi 411. I think the Himi seat is a two piece, but the Scram is one piece, at least that is what it looks like in photos. I just had a thought that I hadn’t ridden this, so would be good to have a go before the Guerrilla is revealed. Cheers
So would I 😊
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More flickable - smaller front wheel?🤷♀️
Just checked, yes, Himi 411 is 21” Scram is 19” 👍
I thought the guerrilla 450 would be a replacement for the hunter not the scram they call it a roadster the scram is a scrambler i'm hoping there will be a new scram as well 😀
It’ll have to be good looking to replace the Hunter
We don’t really know though. From the short teaser out there with Guy Martin (link in description), it looks more like a Supermoto style, but with cast wheels. I imagine there will be a few different styles coming out after this. From the spy shots/renders I have seen , it looks as cool as **** 😂. Apparently, it is going to be released (probably to the big UA-camrs and press) on July 17th in Spain…..personally, I can’t wait 😃Cheers
Yes…I saw it referred to has a roadster
See here ……. ua-cam.com/users/shorts9DS7NIxZLbg?si=JTEH4e1sYPCDzw7O
Liking my scram swapped my Hunter for it. Had a classic 500 and a meteor and I prefer my scram to the rest
I never really saw the point of the scram.
…but many others did/do. Good to have plenty of options, and that is what RE give us 👍
The scram is the better himmi.....
I did prefer it out of the two 👍 Cheers
Since they're made in India should call them Scam.
😂 that’s not very nice…….
Totally different bikes, 450 too tall, too heavy, sidestsand lean is too much, I will stick with scram.
Fair enough, though I was comparing to the soon to be revealed Guerrilla 450, not the Himalayan 450 😉
@@ianhughesroyalenfield I thought the guerrilla, was going to be 450 scram replacement, and the guerrilla is based on the new 450 Himalayan. Sorry if I've got it wrong.
Hey, non of us really know what it’s going to end up like, so no apologies needed. From the info I have seen, and the short teaser with Guy Martin, it looks to be a cross between the Himi 450 and a Roadster (as some have suggested), to me suggesting a Supermoto type bike, with smaller cast wheels, see here ua-cam.com/users/shorts9DS7NIxZLbg?si=THfJtqrKhWoXc5IF which will hopefully be lower, and with conventional front forks, lack of steel tubing etc, should be lighter too 🤞. I am looking forward to the 17th of this month, when it is supposed to be being revealed in Spain. Cheers
From the few pics that I have seen, the Guerilla seems to have a cut down seat and so will be lower.
@haxan6663 and smaller wheels 😉
still think you should just ride one home! just be done with this love affair and submit! go ahead! make room in the garage!
I might be tempted with the upcoming Guerrilla Blake, but no spare money. Maybe at the end of the year 🤞, meanwhile, I am enjoying trying out these different bikes. 😎 Cheers