I think one of the the most telling piece of evidence is the jeans, inside out left in the middle of the floor. Everyone who knew Reeva said she was a very tidy person. I do believe there was a row. Reeva decided to go home, packed her overnight bag (including the pyjamas she was wearing earlier. She sat on the end of the bed to put her jeans on. Oscar grabbed the legs of the jeans and pulled them from her, dragging her and the quilt onto the floor. She grabbed his Basketball shorts from where they were laying over his prosthetics, and her phone and ran into the bathroom, to put them on so she could leave. He lost his temper and poor Reeva lost her life. Also why no mention in the trial of Frank the housekeeper/bodyguard, he was in the house, albeit in a room downstairs by the kitchen. Where were Oscars, dogs. why no questions about why his dogs didnt bark ? Oscar could have just shown his remorse by just saying Yes I take full responsibility, I accept whatever sentence the court gives me. To lie, cry and blame everyone but himself is just shameful.
i dont think so i still think like casey anthony we will be shoked either way with the end of this mess ...regardless of what Nel says he still has not giving anyone a reason for this dam argument what was the argument about and the forensics out the door
JULIANA anddrade The reasons were given by the state, they believe it was an argument and she ran from OP and locked herself in the bathroom. The state has shown OP's true colors. Once again the state does NOT have to prove motive. I will start the motive for you. OP is controlling, spoiled, self entitled, hot headed, jealous, no regard for authority, pathological liar, etc.
yes but every couple argues not everyone gets killed Nel is just given some lingo that hes providing that to me if you going to charge premeditation there needs to be a reason or motive cant just make up some story about screaming and no one really knows what the hell happened besides the fact that he killed her
I dont even fully shut the toilet door when I pop to the loo in the middle of the night, let alone lock it! Especially if its just me and my better half in the house... Its a complete crock of shite
my goodness, imagine having this lawyer as your dad growing up, questions like "where were you last night?" would turn into 10+ follow up questions before you end up frustrated and start contradicting yourself before giving up and coming clean lol.
The judge seemed to have the hots for Oscar, and as a result she made a horrendously poor decision. I believe she was totally out of her depth in this high level court drama.
Wow what a train wreck!!! No need for the Defense to call any other witnesses!! He knew it was Reeva!! He is emotional bcz he knows his story is full of holes! Mr Nel is awesome!!!
totally agree. Nel will get him, if the judge lets OP off after this, there is no justice in this world. Why did OP do ALL this in the dark???? better to confront an intruder dont you think?
Again OP changes his version. 53:18, he was asked about the shouting while in the passage way. He says he shouted for the intruder to get out. Yesterday he said he shouted "Get the fuck out of my house." Today he has to think about this questions. That's the problem when you continue to lie and adjust a version. In fact yesterday he was demonstrating how he said it and he was using a loud high pitch voice.
Is it me, or is Nel asking specific questions to OP... OP answers them. Then he asks another series of questions, then goes back to the original question? To me it seems like Nel is trying to see if OP is changing his story each and every time..... which Nel is proving that OP is changing it. It seems like I've heard these same questions a gazillion times this past week.
Yes, totally. It's very tedious but I think he's trying very hard to find inconsistencies or contradictions. He keeps rephrasing "let me rephrase it," "let me put it to you this way." He is very calculating. Great lawyer just frustrating at times!
Yes. He's asking the same questions over and over because it is the ONLY hope he has to try to make Oscar look like a liar. He doesn't have any other concrete evidence to convict Oscar. If there were other evidence, he'd be focused on it. This prosecutor has nothing and is desperate. He's hoping to confuse Oscar so Oscar will mistakenly contradict himself. He's a pathetic prosecutor.
I think Nel may have missed something - I haven't watched it all yet, but we've passed by the point. Pistorius says he yelled "Get out" when he was inside the bathroom, facing the toilet door, before he fired. He testified he fired because he heard a noise he interpreted as the toilet door opening. If he'd shouted "Get out" then the door opening would hardly have been a surprise to him, a shock to elicit sudden gunfire, would it?
You know another possibility? He was eager to play with his gun, macho man in combat mode, he's actually rather deflated that there's no one in the bathroom and he's so thoughtless and reckless he doesn't even think about where Reeva is. He discharges his firearm (thinking no one's there) just because he wants to, possibly because it'll give him an entertaining story to tell his mates the day after etc. Of course, my version falls down on one big fact - him being on his stumps. You don't play macho man on stumps, do you? I don't know, maybe he does, but his claim of vulnerability is uncomfortably plausible, and I don't see how they could have been having a fight if he *was* on his stumps, which I believe his defense says it can prove (given trajectory of bullets). If you were having a humdinger of a row, you wouldn't take them off and put yourself at a physical/height disadvantage during an argument, would you? I wonder if it can actually be proved he was on his stumps. If it can, clearly there's no case for pre-med. But there's no getting away from the criminal recklessness of his behaviour, imho. Although, to be fair, you *do* have to factor in the stumps equation. Balance, height, scrambling about using stumps and palms... has to be considered.
Holly Brook I think if you plan to kill someone, if you're acting calculatingly, then you're in control of the situation, no? On his stumps, Pistorius isn't in control of anything, even his own balance. If he planned to kill her and carefully deal with the aftermath, I can't see why he wouldn't have put his prostheses on first. Being on his stumps indicates to me that he was in an unexpected situation. Like I said, I think he's guilty of murder - he intended to kill whomever was behind the door, I just don't believe he planned to kill Reeva. I think he simply didn't think about her at all. He just thought about himself.
Of course, all I'm saying is that if he intended to kill her, it would make more sense to take the 20 seconds to put on his legs so that his balance/aim was completely unimpeded. More to the point, I still don't understand why he'd have taken them off if, as prosecution contends, they'd been arguing since she'd been eating - 2 hrs before her death. I just think the prosecution should've stuck with what they could definitively prove. They can prove murder. They can prove he fired at the door, knowing *someone* was behind it, they can prove he had no real necessity to fire and could have taken a number of different options. By going for pre-med, they're leaning heavily on circumstantial evidence, and the danger is that the focus will be shifted away from the elements of their case that are concrete and watertight. I can't see him being convicted of pre-med - I just hope the case for culpable homicide hasn't suffered from lack of focus.
Holly Brook 100% agree with you and think Gerrie Nel has done a great job of proving this point on more then one occasion, OP had time to think, time to reflect and decide on what he was going to do...after that video was leaked last week he had reasonable balance on his stumps, plus surely the buck of the gun when he fired would of unbalanced him if he were really unsteady on those stumps, the bullet impact holes on the door look pretty neat and close together which tells me he was steady enough to aim, fire and hit a target without losing balance. If he had lost balance then there would of been bullets fired in all sorts of directions. This is just way I see things...not saying it's necessarily the truth ;-)
Around 3:40 where he says he shouted, "Reeva call the police" to let the intruders know the police had been called or whatever - this makes no sense. The supposed people in his house would not know who is in it. Why on earth, if he wanted to protect Reeva, would he make it so obvious to the supposed people in his house that she was there? If something happened to him, as he walked down that passage, and he was killed... they would then know that there was someone else in the room and attack them too. If they didn't know she was there, they likely wouldn't search for her... she could hide and be safe. No sense whatsoever. He says he thought so carefully about he safety that he disregarded his own. It's a ridiculous thing to assert.
It's like the old saying "It's all over but the crying." In his case it's all over but the Pathetic balling. He better get a handle on it. He will have to act tougher in prison. Jodi Arias acted more manly than Oscar. The balling will make him someones bitch real quick.
Did they ever say what was on Reeva's phone from that night ? Had she been calling for help while in the bathroom ? Why take your phone to the bathroom at 3:00am ? His whole story makes absolutely no sense .
Mr Nel is like a Roaring Lion, cornering its prey OP on the witness box and waiting for the right time to go in for the kill...he is a very good lawyer..he is a master class at what he does...
NO HE AIN,T - NELL STUTTERS STUMBLES CANT THINK STRAIT. HE MAY WIN THIS CASE BUT ID NEVER EMPLOY HIM. MUCH BETTER BARRISTERS HERE IN AUSTRALIA. AND OPS LAWYER IS WORSE
Yer righto, Nel has proven to be in the ball with his questioning & in fact cornering OP with his pathetic attempts at defence, get a grip an Aus attorney could do better, your only as good as your 'lying' client, wipe your hands & now pray for the best sentence possible. SMH you call yourself an Australian, what planet are you really from?
TheAntipedy What can be construed as 'can't think straight' is actually Nel trying to see if OP can keep his story straight ( which he obviously can't) So of course Nel is all over the place with is questioning. It's an age old tactic that works quite well when someone is lying.
Its in the prosecution's best interest to adjourn. If you notice, Nel often asks him if he's ok. That's because if he goes down, it will be on record that Pistorius accepted that he was ok to continue giving evidence. Otherwise, he might have grounds to appeal claiming that he was in no fit state to answer, under too much emotional stress, answering under duress etc.
I like to know is......if fan was running that is a bit noisy, then he had music on or maybe not......how does he hear noise in the bathroom...but not hear Reeba getting out of bed and that is closer to him
Wow - 1:30:10 - he loses his temper again... . . All of this "I didn't mean to shoot" is complete BS. He was so "scared", didn't want to shoot, or kill anyone - but went to the door fired and killed someone.
A) Who sleeps under a duvet as the room has been reported to being hot, humid, stuffy? B) Burglars don't slam toilet windows and doors when they enter your house. They enter as quiet as possible.
What OP did is so absurd the only plausible explanation is that he did accidentally shoot her with the first bullet, and when he realized it was her, in a split second he finished her off with the following three bullets, in order to avoid big trouble. Problem is, he's still in big trouble and Reeva is gone.
How many times does OP have memory loss "I dont remember my lady" "I cant remember" Im tired, I'm confused, I'm upset... Then when Nel hits on a really sore spot, he cries and pretends to get upset to give himself time to think. Defense not objecting to anything tells volumes aswell....they know Nel has very very valid points and OP is lying.
Ana Andr except she isn’t....I’ve already heard her ask the judge to her right about three questions about if OP just said something.....there are times she asks a question to Nel that gives me great concern.....
Yes...I agree Nel the prosecutor is so annoying. He is constantly trying to give his own version of events without giving clear objective questions. He seems to fumble his way through the whole session...without a shred of evidence we didn't already know.
rose ipk He's tripping up Pistorius in Pistorius' own version of events, he has made numerous changes to his story and Nel has done very well to highlight Pistorius' changes to his story. Guilty of murder !!
Gingeee7 Yes I know that...but he is a fumbling idiot and has even missed some of the contradictory answers from OP. Pistorius has to keep correcting Nel......he needs to do more homework on this case..!!
rose ipk I don't think if he has missed some that it matters, Nel has higlighted more than enough mistakes from OP, and has proven that he was reckless with guns. He also showed the court that OP could have left through the bedroom door and out the house to safety.
He had his legs on and had a bad shoulder tats why he aimed low at the door and around the lock to destroy the bathroom doors lock mechanism to reach Reeva to prevent her from using her phone for help after chasing her down from the bedroom.
Ocar you are lying from the trial starts.You never admit the truth because you know exactely what happened that day.And thats what you deserve is to go and join the prisoners
Does anyone have any idea why Judge Masipa asked to see Mr.Nell outside after the lunch adjournment? ? Do you think she was warning him about how Mr.Nell grills the baby, Oscar, every time he gets "emotional"?? I have grave concerns that the judge is being more biased to Oscar and his over the top emotional acting. I think it's clear Oscar killed Reeva knowing and wanting so after an argument, rage, jealousy. I'm worried she will let him get away with murder due to displaced remorse.
does anybody know in south Africa do you have to take the stand or at your option if you want to were not.. Because if it's your option he was very stupid taking the stand..
Nel is craftily trying to bring out the OP rage that Reeva was victimized by, the last night of her life. He has cornered this liar and has (today) successfully blown out his self defense plea. Though it seems repetitive and tedious, Nel has successfully torn apart OP's version of what happened that horrible night. OP was in a homicidal rage. Witnesses have testified to hearing OP and Reeva fighting. The fact that Oscar Pistorius retrieved that gun during that fight is proof of premeditation. Gerri Nel is a genius.
You must be watching a different trial. Nel hasn't proven anything other than that he does't have any physical evidence to convict Oscar, so the only thing he can do is badger Oscar to the point of confusion. It's a shame.
Really? Maybe we aren't watching the same trial. I see that Nel is skilled. He has blown OP's version out. Just close your eyes and imagine OP's version. It absolutely makes no sense. Then close your eyes and imagine Gerri Nel's version, it makes sense. It is confirmed by the evidence.
ByTruthImFree I agree with you that that there are no direct physical evidence to support Nel's version but to the same extend there are no direct physical evidence to support OP's version. Therefore, we are only left with the evidence both sides present and as J Cavanagh said, OP's version makes no sense to me. If I were to accept OP's version, I would have to believe that it would have been reasonable for him to have shot Reva if she had come home early and he had not expected her. I just don't believe that. I do see plenty of evidence that have put large holes in the story OP has presented.
@GladrapChannel well that's the consequences of his actions, he should never have been allowed to own a gun in the first place with his paranoia - he's still got a life to live what about Reeva?
i would love understand why yall are not showing the man's face.. what diference does it make because we at home do not do the judging if that were to be the reason why yall not showing him.. very much pointless may as well listen to the radio..
If your version of the event is fact, Mr. Pistorius, your housekeeper would have testified to prevent conviction of an innocent man rather than flee South Africa ASAP.
OP is doing good so far, he's been thought well to answer questions post to him, and also Mr. Nell didn't do his homework, he doesn't have enough evidence to boost his case
*A very important inconsistency:* How does it makes sense that in OP's version he gets closer to the toilet door, shouting a few times - WHILE GETTING CLOSER and the last scream while he's just 3 meters away from Reeva "GET OUT OF THERE!". It doesn't make sense that Reeva didn't warn him that it's HER in the toilet, I mean she knew all about the fucking gun, that he EXTREMELY trigger-happy and in that moment she knew he was coming towards her - towards the blind end - while screaming at the door aka. intruders. IT MAKES NO SENSE! Thoughts?
Tim Schweizer there is no proof she knew he was trigger happy....she would have known there is a gun under the bed but if she is in the toilet room going pee in the middle of the night, she isn’t going to think he is going to shoot her, especially since in her mind she just talked to him . She would have assumed he saw her get up ....especially if she took her phone to use it as a light....
Gerrie Nel is so incredibly patient. I would have already lost it. And PS: An example of an OBVIOUS lie he told while being completely convincing & crying: "I did not fire at Reeva." That's a lie, because he did. He fired at her and the bullets split her head.
@robertus911 With OP being the sole survivor of that evening, he can basically tell anything he wants of his "recollection" of the events of that evening, and we know for a fact that there are many gaps in his testimony; 1. Reeva ate something between 19:00 and 03:00, that's proven beyond doubt. 2. How could he not have noticed her going to the bathroom while being within 2-3 meters of her, alledgedly moving fans around. 3. Why did Reeva not react a single time to OP's shouts, not even as she was standing in the toilet with OP about 1,5 meters away? 4. Why didn't he make sure Reeva was secure prior sending bullets in the door ? 5. Why is everything out of place in that bedroom? why does not a single physical evidence match OP's "recollection" of the events ?. 6. Where were the fans plugged? in particular the small one as we know that there was no spare room in that white extension?. 7. What did OP do for a full 5 minutes before breaking the door open? Does it need 5 minutes to realize Reeva wasn't in the bedroom? I'll tell you what; she was fed up with his possessive & overly jealous character (see Whatsapp messages). Nell proved that OP is basically obsessed with himself and what Reeva could've, should've done for him. And, yes ... Religion sucks dicks. It killed more people than anything else in humanity's history.
Why does Oscar need to pis about everything? Im really getting tired of his stupid stories and feeling oh so sad about it, hè shot Reeva end of story. Nel must rip him apart!! Her parents Will never hear her laugh or see her again.
There is no way you can say that you heard some noise coming from the bathroom and you could confirm from your girl friend if she heard the same sort of noise. Heaven help you Pistorius.
P is on medication...etc... how can he keep on answering hundreds time to the same questions exactly the same way with the exact same details everytime... its impossible and nel is doing this over and over again... this is a sick game no one could handle it...especially on medication for depression...
He does this because OP keeps changing his version. When you tell the truth it flows easily. When you lie you struggle and can't keep your story straight. Nels is going to get a straight answer even if it means going over the question again and again to get the real version. OP keeps changing his truth.
it happens a year ago, on a night he was scared. now a year later he is on med, he read through people statement, forensic evidence... its confusing and i thing he is trying to make sense of what happen ... but he is getting confused.. not to forget that the stress is under...he must weight his every responses carefully while having the mother of reeva in front of him.... i m not sure if he did it or not...but i often ask myself if i wear in his shoes...
You are fighting for your life as a free man, would u really be that confused, regardless if its happened a year ago, court is a tedious process by its nature, Nel has every right to go over n over a point.
yeah but even the judge as to stop him sometime, and he even told P today that he never said something that P remembered saying in the morning... and thanks god the defense team had it on records... he calls him a liar when himself doesn't remember what the accused said in the morning...i mean if Nel has memory problem for stuff that happened in the morming .... you see what i mean...
The only mistake OP made, was that he shot through the closed door at a person, he didn't know, who she was! That alone can be blamed on him and that leads to the verdict. (BUT: he wouldn't be the only one who solved this case this way)
I really don't understand this court system. The prosecutor said twice so far "I have no further questions for this witness" yet he's still asking him questions. What's with that?
You could see advocates and judge Masipa fawning over and favoring OP. How can the three miss the proper application of the law? Nel has shot the lying version of OP full of holes! NO pun intended. From the duvet partially covered with the jeans with a blood trail from the bathroom? Reeva never saying a word since they woke up? Travesty of justice! Masipa and the advocates should have tossed OP's version and found him guilty of premeditated murder!
So according to OP; in his guarded gated secure development an intruder broke into his house that has alarms and dogs roaming outside in order to climb up to the 2nd floor and lock himself in the bathroom. Then he states Reeva was in the bedroom calling the police as he told her to, according to him, then how did Reeva get into the bathroom without him seeing her leave the bedroom and go into the bathroom? He murdered her in cold blood, it was Valentine's Day and he found emails between her and an ex and he erupted into a violent homicidal rage, as he has done many times in the past. He denies every single story from people who know him well, everyone is wrong and he is the only one who is right. He has an ego the size of Texas. He refuses any and all responsibility for his actions. And why would he have to hit the door with the cricket bat? He copuld just shoot the door open. He attacked Reeva with it which is why it had blood all over it, she ran and hid in the bathroom in terror and he finished her off.
1:16:19 OP: "I can't remember when I switched the lights on, as I said before..." 1:16:31 "No, after the shooting, I don't know when I put the lights on.." Therefore, it sounds like he remembers that he switched or put the lights on AFTER the shooting! He just can't remember what lie he told before.
This is getting monotonous, every time he whimpers they adjourn. Buck up and answer the questions! Such a waste of court time. Now the prosecution is asking for a break to point out his emotionality as if to say he's stalling.
I agree 100% David. Seems like "my lady" has a soft side for OP. I'm Canadian but I'm pretty sure if this case was happening here, guaranteed - the court wouldn't adjourn every time the witness started crying like a baby.
It is monotonous but it doesn't serve the court well to treat the witness with a heavy hand when he or she is in pieces. OP may be acting or not be acting but the judge should not be making that judgement or seen to be making that judgement at this stage.
Its in the prosecution's best interest to adjourn. If you notice, Nel often asks him if he's ok. That's because if he goes down, it will be on record that Pistorius accepted that he was ok to continue giving evidence. Otherwise, he might have grounds to appeal claiming that he was in no fit state to answer, under too much emotional stress, answering under duress etc.
Just saying, cos like you, I keep hearing people asking why they keep adjourning. They have to do it, regardless of the fact he will probably appeal. One less thing for him to successfully appeal against? I think Nel and the Judge are doing exactly the right thing.
If the firearm was in the righthand what did he lean onto as he said his balance was getting worse but there was nothing to the left to lean onto or am I getting it wrong
wait for it, Nel will get to that I am sure. He's not done yet and he's definately got alot more up his sleeve to put to OP. He's cornering him and counting the lies. Crikey, OP would be better off coming clean, cos the judge can only make one conclusion: guilty of murder
steval41 The position of the jeans always bothers me. If she was neat and tidy with all other clothes why were they in the middle of the floor? The only conclusion to me was that she was about to put them on with the intention to leave, possibly with her phone in her hand to call a cab. Then because she got scared of him she fled to the toilet and locked the door. He chased her, end of story (unfortunately) Lights were all on too.
Although I too think taking your phone to the toilet with you at 3am is a weird behavior, two of my friends (female) told me they do that all the time. They have no reason for doing it other than habit. Apparently, women do this...
I liked it when Mr. Nell was calling him Mr. Pisterious , reminds me of dilerious maybe because he is so disgusted with Pistorious's character he feels dilerious lol, or I could be way off.
It does not make sense, if Oscar screamed at Reeva and telling her she must call the police then she would have answered and he would have heard that it was she in the bathroom... not intruders..
i dnt get it...if he says he shouted for the intruders to come out n leav his house,,,why did he then shoot as they were coming out.....coz i mean they were responding to his command
Reeva got up to go pee, she is in the toilet with the door closed. If Oscar starts yelling there is an intruder, it might make sense to her since he was just in the bedroom bringing in the fans, maybe she thought he was screaming about an intruder on the balcony so she kept quiet and didn’t want to draw attention to herself there.....I mean isn’t that possible? Since she took her phone to the toilet, maybe she thought he knows she has her phone and is screaming at her to phone the police , but unfortunately he is talking about her, not someone on the patio.
bontez27 He's the embodiment of a sociopath and his "alibi" would be funny if it wasn't so serious. He's a pathetic human being acting like a bitch on a witness stand.
Mr. Pistorius, if you believed intruders were in your toilet and on a ladder outside your bathroom window, and believed you were in a life threatening situation, "scared", "terrified", why, after cautiously advancing down the bathroom passage did you stand directly facing the toilet door with an open window to your side?
john lennon - they call Nel the pitbull.....a good name for him, as everyone knows a pitbull bits and is very very reluctant to let go! So OP, sorry you are not getting away with it.
Chris Caine He's excepted responsibility why does he keep on pushing him!..Nel wants him on pre mediated murder, but he won't get it. he'll get manslaughter.
If the defence doesn't bring in a psychiatrist to testify about OP's state of mine, he's finished ... Am actually surprised that Nel didn't bring in a psychiatrist. While Nel can't prove they had an argument, OP's version makes less and less sense as time goes by. Nel will press as hard as he can to get a confession while in the stand.
I cannot get my head around the fact oscar didnt get charged with murder here. How on earth does a judge not understand the law correctly, along with not believing key witness's who heard blood curdling screams from a woman? seriously this is fucked up ,the judge HAD to be influenced by his rich family, there is no other logical conclusion..His defence (s) are a complete mess..
54:26, he ha stated all the way through out he shouted first at Reeva to call the police, then at the intruders to get the f*ck out (my) house... at this point he says, I called to Reeva after discharging (my) fire-arm- which then means he also states he shouted at intruders after firing off the shots... which is a change to his story...
Referring to the fact that police investigaters screwed up the original scene by moving items and stealing - what sense does it make to insist on details, Mr. Nel?
Here's a beautiful thing Nel missed, or just didn't want to pursue, but the point of the questioning is how P would expect the intruders to leave his house ..."Get Out Get out!" P says either through the window or toilet door. Nel asks, or comments that if they used the toilet window they'd fall two stories, meaning to me that they knew there wasn't a ladder there, so in order for the intruders to escape without P needing to shoot them would be come out the toilet door, climb through the window and descend the latter! All the time P standing there watching them as if a truce has been called in the break-in! This would negate his defense even further and reinforce the allegation that he was there to shoot because he gave them no escape possible. Of course, he knew he was shooting at Reeva. You saw the way he fired guns in the film. Very Good.
If you have a boyfriend/girlfriend stay over for the night how many boyfriends/girlfriends lock the toilet door when using the bathroom if only themselves and they're partner are in the apartment/house?
Man, why would I watch TV when there's something THIS Good to watch!
I think one of the the most telling piece of evidence is the jeans, inside out left in the middle of the floor. Everyone who knew Reeva said she was a very tidy person. I do believe there was a row. Reeva decided to go home, packed her overnight bag (including the pyjamas she was wearing earlier. She sat on the end of the bed to put her jeans on. Oscar grabbed the legs of the jeans and pulled them from her, dragging her and the quilt onto the floor. She grabbed his Basketball shorts from where they were laying over his prosthetics, and her phone and ran into the bathroom, to put them on so she could leave. He lost his temper and poor Reeva lost her life. Also why no mention in the trial of Frank the housekeeper/bodyguard, he was in the house, albeit in a room downstairs by the kitchen. Where were Oscars, dogs. why no questions about why his dogs didnt bark ? Oscar could have just shown his remorse by just saying Yes I take full responsibility, I accept whatever sentence the court gives me. To lie, cry and blame everyone but himself is just shameful.
Liar and murderer .
I love when Nel says "Why are you getting emotional NOW"? - pointing out that it is always at critical questions. Nels sees through you OP.
Have you noticed how high pitched he has made his voice after a few days on the stand?
i dont think so i still think like casey anthony we will be shoked either way with the end of this mess ...regardless of what Nel says he still has not giving anyone a reason for this dam argument what was the argument about and the forensics out the door
JULIANA anddrade
The reasons were given by the state, they believe it was an argument and she ran from OP and locked herself in the bathroom. The state has shown OP's true colors. Once again the state does NOT have to prove motive. I will start the motive for you. OP is controlling, spoiled, self entitled, hot headed, jealous, no regard for authority, pathological liar, etc.
yes but every couple argues not everyone gets killed Nel is just given some lingo that hes providing that to me if you going to charge premeditation there needs to be a reason or motive cant just make up some story about screaming and no one really knows what the hell happened besides the fact that he killed her
I dont even fully shut the toilet door when I pop to the loo in the middle of the night, let alone lock it! Especially if its just me and my better half in the house...
Its a complete crock of shite
my goodness, imagine having this lawyer as your dad growing up, questions like "where were you last night?" would turn into 10+ follow up questions before you end up frustrated and start contradicting yourself before giving up and coming clean lol.
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Gosh, even if Nel is a little harsh to Pistorius, my lady jumps in to defend him. this is beyond a joke.
The judge seemed to have the hots for Oscar, and as a result she made a horrendously poor decision. I believe she was totally out of her depth in this high level court drama.
It's amazing how fixated he is on the details to "keep Reeva safe", but he NEVER got a response from her or cared where she was.
Wow what a train wreck!!! No need for the Defense to call any other witnesses!! He knew it was Reeva!! He is emotional bcz he knows his story is full of holes! Mr Nel is awesome!!!
totally agree. Nel will get him, if the judge lets OP off after this, there is no justice in this world. Why did OP do ALL this in the dark???? better to confront an intruder dont you think?
agree he is crying for mercy
Again OP changes his version. 53:18, he was asked about the shouting while in the passage way. He says he shouted for the intruder to get out. Yesterday he said he shouted "Get the fuck out of my house." Today he has to think about this questions. That's the problem when you continue to lie and adjust a version. In fact yesterday he was demonstrating how he said it and he was using a loud high pitch voice.
Yes a pathetic attempt at a high pitched voice - GUIlLTY as charged - the police have seen many a denying lying murder like him
Nel is like the honey baddger...mess with him at your own peril
He hasn't got a leg to stand on. lol..
Gerri Nel is amazing!! He is a Master of his craft❤
Delia UK.
Everyone in that courtroom knows it's all a load of rubbish..OP admit this one thing for Reeva and her family..
Is it me, or is Nel asking specific questions to OP... OP answers them. Then he asks another series of questions, then goes back to the original question? To me it seems like Nel is trying to see if OP is changing his story each and every time..... which Nel is proving that OP is changing it. It seems like I've heard these same questions a gazillion times this past week.
You have heard them a gazillion times, Terri. We all have! It's a legal method but it's VERY tedious.
Yes, totally. It's very tedious but I think he's trying very hard to find inconsistencies or contradictions. He keeps rephrasing "let me rephrase it," "let me put it to you this way." He is very calculating. Great lawyer just frustrating at times!
Yes. He's asking the same questions over and over because it is the ONLY hope he has to try to make Oscar look like a liar. He doesn't have any other concrete evidence to convict Oscar. If there were other evidence, he'd be focused on it. This prosecutor has nothing and is desperate. He's hoping to confuse Oscar so Oscar will mistakenly contradict himself. He's a pathetic prosecutor.
Why wasn't he asked to explain why Reeva didn't respond when he was outside in the corridor and bathroom screaming and roaring?
How in the world is this not 1st degree premeditated cold blooded murder?
OP isn't the brightest peeble on the beach, is he??
I love it! That POS is literally convicting himself with every question.
The Prosecutor is brilliant.
I think Nel may have missed something - I haven't watched it all yet, but we've passed by the point. Pistorius says he yelled "Get out" when he was inside the bathroom, facing the toilet door, before he fired. He testified he fired because he heard a noise he interpreted as the toilet door opening. If he'd shouted "Get out" then the door opening would hardly have been a surprise to him, a shock to elicit sudden gunfire, would it?
You know another possibility? He was eager to play with his gun, macho man in combat mode, he's actually rather deflated that there's no one in the bathroom and he's so thoughtless and reckless he doesn't even think about where Reeva is. He discharges his firearm (thinking no one's there) just because he wants to, possibly because it'll give him an entertaining story to tell his mates the day after etc.
Of course, my version falls down on one big fact - him being on his stumps. You don't play macho man on stumps, do you? I don't know, maybe he does, but his claim of vulnerability is uncomfortably plausible, and I don't see how they could have been having a fight if he *was* on his stumps, which I believe his defense says it can prove (given trajectory of bullets). If you were having a humdinger of a row, you wouldn't take them off and put yourself at a physical/height disadvantage during an argument, would you?
I wonder if it can actually be proved he was on his stumps. If it can, clearly there's no case for pre-med. But there's no getting away from the criminal recklessness of his behaviour, imho. Although, to be fair, you *do* have to factor in the stumps equation. Balance, height, scrambling about using stumps and palms... has to be considered.
Holly Brook I think if you plan to kill someone, if you're acting calculatingly, then you're in control of the situation, no? On his stumps, Pistorius isn't in control of anything, even his own balance. If he planned to kill her and carefully deal with the aftermath, I can't see why he wouldn't have put his prostheses on first. Being on his stumps indicates to me that he was in an unexpected situation.
Like I said, I think he's guilty of murder - he intended to kill whomever was behind the door, I just don't believe he planned to kill Reeva. I think he simply didn't think about her at all. He just thought about himself.
Of course, all I'm saying is that if he intended to kill her, it would make more sense to take the 20 seconds to put on his legs so that his balance/aim was completely unimpeded. More to the point, I still don't understand why he'd have taken them off if, as prosecution contends, they'd been arguing since she'd been eating - 2 hrs before her death.
I just think the prosecution should've stuck with what they could definitively prove. They can prove murder. They can prove he fired at the door, knowing *someone* was behind it, they can prove he had no real necessity to fire and could have taken a number of different options. By going for pre-med, they're leaning heavily on circumstantial evidence, and the danger is that the focus will be shifted away from the elements of their case that are concrete and watertight. I can't see him being convicted of pre-med - I just hope the case for culpable homicide hasn't suffered from lack of focus.
~totally agree, we can flush fight or flight down the toilet along with GAD.
Holly Brook 100% agree with you and think Gerrie Nel has done a great job of proving this point on more then one occasion, OP had time to think, time to reflect and decide on what he was going to do...after that video was leaked last week he had reasonable balance on his stumps, plus surely the buck of the gun when he fired would of unbalanced him if he were really unsteady on those stumps, the bullet impact holes on the door look pretty neat and close together which tells me he was steady enough to aim, fire and hit a target without losing balance. If he had lost balance then there would of been bullets fired in all sorts of directions. This is just way I see things...not saying it's necessarily the truth ;-)
Around 3:40 where he says he shouted, "Reeva call the police" to let the intruders know the police had been called or whatever - this makes no sense. The supposed people in his house would not know who is in it. Why on earth, if he wanted to protect Reeva, would he make it so obvious to the supposed people in his house that she was there?
If something happened to him, as he walked down that passage, and he was killed... they would then know that there was someone else in the room and attack them too. If they didn't know she was there, they likely wouldn't search for her... she could hide and be safe.
No sense whatsoever. He says he thought so carefully about he safety that he disregarded his own. It's a ridiculous thing to assert.
I think Gerri Nel is the man to nail this case and give justice to Reeva.
He is her voice. Dee UK
I have NEVER seen a case in court where when a defendant starts whimpering and crying on the stand the court adjourns. I have never seen this before.
i have here in the USA
It's like the old saying "It's all over but the crying." In his case it's all over but the Pathetic balling. He better get a handle on it. He will have to act tougher in prison. Jodi Arias acted more manly than Oscar. The balling will make him someones bitch real quick.
Prophet SJ such an ignorant racist comment
Judge is too nice, we need Judge Judy here to put Pistorius in his placee
Judge Judy is a TV show 🤣🤣🤣
And that's it...it makes sense that he shouted "Get the f*ck out of my house!" at Reeva, who locked herself in his bathroom. What a bastard.
"My lady can we please stop asking him questions that make him cry. . ."
Mr. Nel, OP says he didn't want to give away his position but he yelled in the passageway!
Did they ever say what was on Reeva's phone from that night ? Had she been calling for help while in the bathroom ? Why take your phone to the bathroom at 3:00am ? His whole story makes absolutely no sense .
I'm waiting for nel to ask about why she had her phone in the toilet, as far as i know it still has been mentioned to OP.
***** ...but she wouldnt have been waking ANYONE up since OP was allegedly already awake, out of bed, and closing the curtains!!!
Mr Nel is like a Roaring Lion, cornering its prey OP on the witness box and waiting for the right time to go in for the kill...he is a very good lawyer..he is a master class at what he does...
NO HE AIN,T - NELL STUTTERS STUMBLES CANT THINK STRAIT. HE MAY WIN THIS CASE BUT ID NEVER EMPLOY HIM. MUCH BETTER BARRISTERS HERE IN AUSTRALIA. AND OPS LAWYER IS WORSE
Yer righto, Nel has proven to be in the ball with his questioning & in fact cornering OP with his pathetic attempts at defence, get a grip an Aus attorney could do better, your only as good as your 'lying' client, wipe your hands & now pray for the best sentence possible. SMH you call yourself an Australian, what planet are you really from?
TheAntipedy
What can be construed as 'can't think straight' is actually Nel trying to see if OP can keep his story straight ( which he obviously can't) So of course Nel is all over the place with is questioning. It's an age old tactic that works quite well when someone is lying.
All that was missing was the bright green bucket!! He did try & project his high voice screening, lol pull the other one!!
Nel: can you see that your legal team is not getting up?
*camera pans across*
Roux: Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz wha, huh what?
LOL
Funny and true !!
Wheezerism
They are probably afraid to get up. How many times did OP throw his own lawyer under the bus?
Thank you Mr Nel
Every time the defendant cries, the court adjourns. First time I've ever seen this happen during a trial. Very interesting.
It's so obnoxious......I really wish the judge would stop that and allow testimony to continue
it's like a button they gave pistorius. all he has to do is use the womanly voice and boom, adjournment.
Its in the prosecution's best interest to adjourn. If you notice, Nel often asks him if he's ok. That's because if he goes down, it will be on record that Pistorius accepted that he was ok to continue giving evidence. Otherwise, he might have grounds to appeal claiming that he was in no fit state to answer, under too much emotional stress, answering under duress etc.
05:30 NAILED IT. He puts Reeva's "life in danger" as the motive!
Game over.
I like to know is......if fan was running that is a bit noisy, then he had music on or maybe not......how does he hear noise in the bathroom...but not hear Reeba getting out of bed and that is closer to him
Wow - 1:30:10 - he loses his temper again... . . All of this "I didn't mean to shoot" is complete BS. He was so "scared", didn't want to shoot, or kill anyone - but went to the door fired and killed someone.
A) Who sleeps under a duvet as the room has been reported to being hot, humid, stuffy? B) Burglars don't slam toilet windows and doors when they enter your house. They enter as quiet as possible.
What OP did is so absurd the only plausible explanation is that he did accidentally shoot her with the first bullet, and when he realized it was her, in a split second he finished her off with the following three bullets, in order to avoid big trouble. Problem is, he's still in big trouble and Reeva is gone.
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50:35 "It's become a repetition" said Mr Roux, - I think Mr Roux should listen to his own cross examinations of some of the witnesses
That´s exactly what I thought when I heard him abjecting such a thing!
He did that to try and get Nel off the issue of a changed defence - a very bad thing for the defence
How many times does OP have memory loss "I dont remember my lady"
"I cant remember"
Im tired, I'm confused, I'm upset...
Then when Nel hits on a really sore spot, he cries and pretends to get upset to give himself time to think.
Defense not objecting to anything tells volumes aswell....they know Nel has very very valid points and OP is lying.
Incredible Advocate
dont mistake this judge shes doing exactly what she needs to do pay attention
Ana Andr except she isn’t....I’ve already heard her ask the judge to her right about three questions about if OP just said something.....there are times she asks a question to Nel that gives me great concern.....
Ana Andr Masipa showed the world the attention loving and bribed disgrace that she is
Can this prosecutor present some tangible evidence or is he just going to keep stating his opinion of the circumstances?
Yes...I agree Nel the prosecutor is so annoying. He is constantly trying to give his own version of events without giving clear objective questions. He seems to fumble his way through the whole session...without a shred of evidence we didn't already know.
rose ipk He's tripping up Pistorius in Pistorius' own version of events, he has made numerous changes to his story and Nel has done very well to highlight Pistorius' changes to his story. Guilty of murder !!
Gingeee7 Yes I know that...but he is a fumbling idiot and has even missed some of the contradictory answers from OP. Pistorius has to keep correcting Nel......he needs to do more homework on this case..!!
rose ipk I don't think if he has missed some that it matters, Nel has higlighted more than enough mistakes from OP, and has proven that he was reckless with guns. He also showed the court that OP could have left through the bedroom door and out the house to safety.
Gingeee7 Being reckless with a gun or not leaving an area where you perceive danger is not proof of premeditated murder.
He had his legs on and had a bad shoulder tats why he aimed low at the door and around the lock to destroy the bathroom doors lock mechanism to reach Reeva to prevent her from using her phone for help after chasing her down from the bedroom.
yep, he aimed to the door lock. sometimes i think he hit the door with the cricketbat first then he
shot.
Ocar you are lying from the trial starts.You never admit the truth because you know exactely what happened that day.And thats what you deserve is to go and join the prisoners
OP never intended to shoot at anyone, and yet the first thing he did when he "heard" a noise in the bathroom was to pick his gun...
I think 'My lady' has a soft spot for Oscar. Adjourning the entire court when he starts snivelling.
My lady is nearby perhaps mother of children and has fine intuition!
Oscar said: "I'm not sure! and I don't know why!" Oscar! you sound like a child!!! Who kicked the family dog!!
If Pistorius taught me anything, leave the door open when you take a s*it
Does anyone have any idea why Judge Masipa asked to see Mr.Nell outside after the lunch adjournment? ? Do you think she was warning him about how Mr.Nell grills the baby, Oscar, every time he gets "emotional"?? I have grave concerns that the judge is being more biased to Oscar and his over the top emotional acting. I think it's clear Oscar killed Reeva knowing and wanting so after an argument, rage, jealousy. I'm worried she will let him get away with murder due to displaced remorse.
Nel: "IT'S NOT WORTH YOUR WHILE" - hilarious :) :) :)
Excuse me, I didn't follow it. What's so funny?
does anybody know in south Africa do you have to take the stand or at your option if you want to were not.. Because if it's your option he was very stupid taking the stand..
Nel is craftily trying to bring out the OP rage that Reeva was victimized by, the last night of her life. He has cornered this liar and has (today) successfully blown out his self defense plea. Though it seems repetitive and tedious, Nel has successfully torn apart OP's version of what happened that horrible night. OP was in a homicidal rage. Witnesses have testified to hearing OP and Reeva fighting. The fact that Oscar Pistorius retrieved that gun during that fight is proof of premeditation. Gerri Nel is a genius.
Agree. But remember, it was OP that was screaming like a women....
You must be watching a different trial. Nel hasn't proven anything other than that he does't have any physical evidence to convict Oscar, so the only thing he can do is badger Oscar to the point of confusion. It's a shame.
Really? Maybe we aren't watching the same trial. I see that Nel is skilled. He has blown OP's version out. Just close your eyes and imagine OP's version. It absolutely makes no sense. Then close your eyes and imagine Gerri Nel's version, it makes sense. It is confirmed by the evidence.
J Cavanagh What people do when they are frightened and panicked rarely make sense. You say Nel's version is confirmed by the evidence. What evidence?
ByTruthImFree I agree with you that that there are no direct physical evidence to support Nel's version but to the same extend there are no direct physical evidence to support OP's version. Therefore, we are only left with the evidence both sides present and as J Cavanagh said, OP's version makes no sense to me.
If I were to accept OP's version, I would have to believe that it would have been reasonable for him to have shot Reva if she had come home early and he had not expected her. I just don't believe that.
I do see plenty of evidence that have put large holes in the story OP has presented.
I postulate that he had a momentum of utter trigger happy madness in response to whatever scared him and suddenly realized immediately it was Reeva...
@GladrapChannel well that's the consequences of his actions, he should never have been allowed to own a gun in the first place with his paranoia - he's still got a life to live what about Reeva?
He didn't shoot in self defence even if he thought that the person behind the door was an intruder. Guilty of murder either way.
"Maybe the door slammed and was locked at the same time" lol.
i would love understand why yall are not showing the man's face.. what diference does it make because we at home do not do the judging if that were to be the reason why yall not showing him.. very much pointless may as well listen to the radio..
best state lawyer i have ever seen, the guy knowes he is on tv
If your version of the event is fact, Mr. Pistorius, your housekeeper would have testified to prevent conviction of an innocent man rather than flee South Africa ASAP.
OP is doing good so far, he's been thought well to answer questions post to him, and also Mr. Nell didn't do his homework, he doesn't have enough evidence to boost his case
11:42 of course they talked about the door slamming, doesn’t Nel remember the whole line of questioning about the door being kicked or slammed closed?
*A very important inconsistency:* How does it makes sense that in OP's version he gets closer to the toilet door, shouting a few times - WHILE GETTING CLOSER and the last scream while he's just 3 meters away from Reeva "GET OUT OF THERE!". It doesn't make sense that Reeva didn't warn him that it's HER in the toilet, I mean she knew all about the fucking gun, that he EXTREMELY trigger-happy and in that moment she knew he was coming towards her - towards the blind end - while screaming at the door aka. intruders. IT MAKES NO SENSE!
Thoughts?
Tim Schweizer there is no proof she knew he was trigger happy....she would have known there is a gun under the bed but if she is in the toilet room going pee in the middle of the night, she isn’t going to think he is going to shoot her, especially since in her mind she just talked to him . She would have assumed he saw her get up ....especially if she took her phone to use it as a light....
Gerrie Nel is so incredibly patient. I would have already lost it.
And PS: An example of an OBVIOUS lie he told while being completely convincing & crying: "I did not fire at Reeva."
That's a lie, because he did. He fired at her and the bullets split her head.
playing the victim doesn't make you innocent
Maybe he thought the door was going to attack him!?
@robertus911 With OP being the sole survivor of that evening, he can basically tell anything he wants of his "recollection" of the events of that evening, and we know for a fact that there are many gaps in his testimony; 1. Reeva ate something between 19:00 and 03:00, that's proven beyond doubt. 2. How could he not have noticed her going to the bathroom while being within 2-3 meters of her, alledgedly moving fans around. 3. Why did Reeva not react a single time to OP's shouts, not even as she was standing in the toilet with OP about 1,5 meters away? 4. Why didn't he make sure Reeva was secure prior sending bullets in the door ? 5. Why is everything out of place in that bedroom? why does not a single physical evidence match OP's "recollection" of the events ?. 6. Where were the fans plugged? in particular the small one as we know that there was no spare room in that white extension?. 7. What did OP do for a full 5 minutes before breaking the door open? Does it need 5 minutes to realize Reeva wasn't in the bedroom?
I'll tell you what; she was fed up with his possessive & overly jealous character (see Whatsapp messages). Nell proved that OP is basically obsessed with himself and what Reeva could've, should've done for him.
And, yes ... Religion sucks dicks. It killed more people than anything else in humanity's history.
Why does Oscar need to pis about everything? Im really getting tired of his stupid stories and feeling oh so sad about it, hè shot Reeva end of story. Nel must rip him apart!! Her parents Will never hear her laugh or see her again.
There is no way you can say that you heard some noise coming from the bathroom and you could confirm from your girl friend if she heard the same sort of noise. Heaven help you Pistorius.
he's so guilty!!! What an actor bvdr
This is a common sense case! Let's hope the Judge uses some when it comes time for her to deliberate this case!
P is on medication...etc... how can he keep on answering hundreds time to the same questions exactly the same way with the exact same details everytime... its impossible and nel is doing this over and over again... this is a sick game no one could handle it...especially on medication for depression...
He does this because OP keeps changing his version. When you tell the truth it flows easily. When you lie you struggle and can't keep your story straight. Nels is going to get a straight answer even if it means going over the question again and again to get the real version. OP keeps changing his truth.
it happens a year ago, on a night he was scared. now a year later he is on med, he read through people statement, forensic evidence... its confusing and i thing he is trying to make sense of what happen ... but he is getting confused.. not to forget that the stress is under...he must weight his every responses carefully while having the mother of reeva in front of him.... i m not sure if he did it or not...but i often ask myself if i wear in his shoes...
Sandra Boisset
agree!
You are fighting for your life as a free man, would u really be that confused, regardless if its happened a year ago, court is a tedious process by its nature, Nel has every right to go over n over a point.
yeah but even the judge as to stop him sometime, and he even told P today that he never said something that P remembered saying in the morning... and thanks god the defense team had it on records... he calls him a liar when himself doesn't remember what the accused said in the morning...i mean if Nel has memory problem for stuff that happened in the morming .... you see what i mean...
Those were kill shots Oscar, you were aiming at the door!
The only mistake OP made, was that he shot through the closed door at a person, he didn't know, who she was! That alone can be blamed on him and that leads to the verdict. (BUT: he wouldn't be the only one who solved this case this way)
I really don't understand this court system. The prosecutor said twice so far "I have no further questions for this witness" yet he's still asking him questions. What's with that?
You could see advocates and judge Masipa fawning over and favoring OP. How can the three miss the proper application of the law? Nel has shot the lying version of OP full of holes! NO pun intended. From the duvet partially covered with the jeans with a blood trail from the bathroom? Reeva never saying a word since they woke up? Travesty of justice! Masipa and the advocates should have tossed OP's version and found him guilty of premeditated murder!
So according to OP; in his guarded gated secure development an intruder broke into his house that has alarms and dogs roaming outside in order to climb up to the 2nd floor and lock himself in the bathroom. Then he states Reeva was in the bedroom calling the police as he told her to, according to him, then how did Reeva get into the bathroom without him seeing her leave the bedroom and go into the bathroom? He murdered her in cold blood, it was Valentine's Day and he found emails between her and an ex and he erupted into a violent homicidal rage, as he has done many times in the past. He denies every single story from people who know him well, everyone is wrong and he is the only one who is right. He has an ego the size of Texas. He refuses any and all responsibility for his actions.
And why would he have to hit the door with the cricket bat? He copuld just shoot the door open. He attacked Reeva with it which is why it had blood all over it, she ran and hid in the bathroom in terror and he finished her off.
Nel is doing a great job..My Lady is going to send OP to Jail
I will never support a company that sponsors Oscar after this
1:16:19 OP: "I can't remember when I switched the lights on, as I said before..." 1:16:31 "No, after the shooting, I don't know when I put the lights on.."
Therefore, it sounds like he remembers that he switched or put the lights on AFTER the shooting! He just can't remember what lie he told before.
Beautiful
I cannot take that weak sniveling voice.
OMG I KNOW! "Muh Laydee I wuz teerifide." What an idiot.
Teerified or teary-eyed. King baby.
Joey Jack Laurenzo
And he is supposed to be a man !!!! Nah !!!
Yes his voice makes my skin crawl
If Oscar were punished the first time he committed domestic violence (he hurt a woman in her leg), he would not have killed Reeva.
This is getting monotonous, every time he whimpers they adjourn. Buck up and answer the questions! Such a waste of court time. Now the prosecution is asking for a break to point out his emotionality as if to say he's stalling.
I agree 100% David. Seems like "my lady" has a soft side for OP. I'm Canadian but I'm pretty sure if this case was happening here, guaranteed - the court wouldn't adjourn every time the witness started crying like a baby.
It is monotonous but it doesn't serve the court well to treat the witness with a heavy hand when he or she is in pieces. OP may be acting or not be acting but the judge should not be making that judgement or seen to be making that judgement at this stage.
Its in the prosecution's best interest to adjourn. If you notice, Nel often asks him if he's ok. That's because if he goes down, it will be on record that Pistorius accepted that he was ok to continue giving evidence. Otherwise, he might have grounds to appeal claiming that he was in no fit state to answer, under too much emotional stress, answering under duress etc.
Garmez120
I keep reading this, but if he is convicted he will appeal regardless, and make numerous allegations.
Just saying, cos like you, I keep hearing people asking why they keep adjourning. They have to do it, regardless of the fact he will probably appeal. One less thing for him to successfully appeal against? I think Nel and the Judge are doing exactly the right thing.
5:29 GN: "Oh kay, I understood it wrongly"
1:18:20 of session one he said he heard the door slam......I checked....it is so
Yes and I quote: "The bathroom doesn't have a door my lady". End quote. 😂 🤦♀️
If the firearm was in the righthand what did he lean onto as he said his balance was getting worse but there was nothing to the left to lean onto or am I getting it wrong
32:30 'M'Lady the witness is a big cry baby, can we take an adjournment?'
does anyone think that Reeva was taking her cell phone with her to the toilet to call for help, as OP was frightening her?
wait for it, Nel will get to that I am sure. He's not done yet and he's definately got alot more up his sleeve to put to OP. He's cornering him and counting the lies. Crikey, OP would be better off coming clean, cos the judge can only make one conclusion: guilty of murder
Chris Caine I certainly hope you are right, something happened in that bedroom dont you think, before this horror began?
steval41 The position of the jeans always bothers me. If she was neat and tidy with all other clothes why were they in the middle of the floor? The only conclusion to me was that she was about to put them on with the intention to leave, possibly with her phone in her hand to call a cab. Then because she got scared of him she fled to the toilet and locked the door. He chased her, end of story (unfortunately) Lights were all on too.
the data showed that it was placed there after the fact like you know the police put it there im not sure about the phones
Although I too think taking your phone to the toilet with you at 3am is a weird behavior, two of my friends (female) told me they do that all the time. They have no reason for doing it other than habit. Apparently, women do this...
I liked it when Mr. Nell was calling him Mr. Pisterious , reminds me of dilerious maybe because he is so disgusted with Pistorious's character he feels dilerious lol, or I
could be way off.
It does not make sense, if Oscar screamed at Reeva and telling her she must call the police then she would have answered and he would have heard that it was she in the bathroom... not intruders..
i dnt get it...if he says he shouted for the intruders to come out n leav his house,,,why did he then shoot as they were coming out.....coz i mean they were responding to his command
I totally agree with your point hey. His so not making sense, @ all!!
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Exactly.. at that point, Reeva could've said something. So did he just fire at the door, without getting any feedback from who was at the door?
Reeva got up to go pee, she is in the toilet with the door closed. If Oscar starts yelling there is an intruder, it might make sense to her since he was just in the bedroom bringing in the fans, maybe she thought he was screaming about an intruder on the balcony so she kept quiet and didn’t want to draw attention to herself there.....I mean isn’t that possible? Since she took her phone to the toilet, maybe she thought he knows she has her phone and is screaming at her to phone the police , but unfortunately he is talking about her, not someone on the patio.
he's told so many lies i actually thinks he believes them now.
bontez27 He's the embodiment of a sociopath and his "alibi" would be funny if it wasn't so serious. He's a pathetic human being acting like a bitch on a witness stand.
Mr. Pistorius, if you believed intruders were in your toilet and on a ladder outside your bathroom window, and believed you were in a life threatening situation, "scared", "terrified", why, after cautiously advancing down the bathroom passage did you stand directly facing the toilet door with an open window to your side?
Nel is going back and forth in his questioning to confuse Oscar.. I can't help by feel for Oscar now I know why they call Nel the Bulldog! lol
john lennon - they call Nel the pitbull.....a good name for him, as everyone knows a pitbull bits and is very very reluctant to let go! So OP, sorry you are not getting away with it.
Chris Caine
He's excepted responsibility why does he keep on pushing him!..Nel wants him on pre mediated murder, but he won't get it.
he'll get manslaughter.
What's the story with the fans? Don't they have Air-condition in SA?
He said on a previous day that his a/c wasn't working.
OMG I love Mr. Nel. She fell on that rack and and he moved his aim. Fuck this is just despicable that SA is wasting all this money on this prick.
If the defence doesn't bring in a psychiatrist to testify about OP's state of mine, he's finished ...
Am actually surprised that Nel didn't bring in a psychiatrist.
While Nel can't prove they had an argument, OP's version makes less and less sense as time goes by. Nel will press as hard as he can to get a confession while in the stand.
I cannot get my head around the fact oscar didnt get charged with murder here. How on earth does a judge not understand the law correctly, along with not believing key witness's who heard blood curdling screams from a woman? seriously this is fucked up ,the judge HAD to be influenced by his rich family, there is no other logical conclusion..His defence (s) are a complete mess..
54:26, he ha stated all the way through out he shouted first at Reeva to call the police, then at the intruders to get the f*ck out (my) house... at this point he says, I called to Reeva after discharging (my) fire-arm- which then means he also states he shouted at intruders after firing off the shots... which is a change to his story...
Referring to the fact that police investigaters screwed up the original scene by moving items and stealing - what sense does it make to insist on details, Mr. Nel?
Here's a beautiful thing Nel missed, or just didn't want to pursue, but the point of the questioning is how P would expect the intruders to leave his house ..."Get Out Get out!" P says either through the window or toilet door. Nel asks, or comments that if they used the toilet window they'd fall two stories, meaning to me that they knew there wasn't a ladder there, so in order for the intruders to escape without P needing to shoot them would be come out the toilet door, climb through the window and descend the latter! All the time P standing there watching them as if a truce has been called in the break-in! This would negate his defense even further and reinforce the allegation that he was there to shoot because he gave them no escape possible. Of course, he knew he was shooting at Reeva. You saw the way he fired guns in the film. Very Good.
If you have a boyfriend/girlfriend stay over for the night how many boyfriends/girlfriends lock the toilet door when using the bathroom if only themselves and they're partner are in the apartment/house?