I can't understand how anyone can believe he's innocent. It's simply not possible to see any logic in his story. Just imagine: You sleep next to your partner. You hear noises. What is the first thing that every human being would do if he's afraid there is danger? Look for the one you care about. In Pistorius' case: Look at the bed - done. No shootings, no dead girlfriends. Everything else is against human instinct. But whatever, let's imagine Pistorius really did behave as illogical as he professes. Better look through Steenkamps eyes now: What would you do if you go to the bathroom in the night and suddenly you hear your beloved and loving boyfriend scream and run around the room next to yours panicky? Would you stay silent? Would you stay in your room? Wouldn't you look what happened or answer his shouts for you because you care about that person, because you're afraid something is wrong and you both could be in danger? Every. Person. Would. Have. Answered. Every. Person. Would. Have. Checked. The. Bed. Never in a million ways I could believe his bullshit. He's lying and he does it because he wanted to shoot her behind that door. Whether it was affect based or not, whether the prosecutor is right or not. Pistorius lies. This is certain.
Exactly. He was screaming at the bathroom for the "intruder" to get the F out of his house.. To think that Reeva wouldn't have responded to any of that is completely nonsense. Every single person I have asked about this said that they would: 1.) Make sure she is accounted for. 2.) Make sure she is SAFE. 3.) Make sure to get an answer from Reeva before running anywhere.. His version makes absolutely no sense.
I'm NOT saying he's innocent BUT... I just want to say this. My flat was broken into a few months ago. I woke from sleep, and still drowsy, heard odd noises in the hallway outside my bedroom. As soon as my mind clicked that something was strange I leapt out of my bed across the room, dragging the cover with me, and burst into the hall. I was there before I knew it, though it must have taken a few seconds, and I was shouting at the people I found at the door. Luckily for me they ran away. Only after they had gone did I turn back to see my girlfriend on the bed, naked. She was dazed, silent and confused. I never once checked to see if she was beside me before jumping up. I assumed she was there because that's where she sleeps! Now, it's a very different story, and again I'm not saying Pistorius is innocent, but I do find it strange that people are SO SURE about exactly what people do in these kind of situations. Looking back on it I felt sick that I had removed the covers from the bed leaving my girlfriend exposed. Had the guys not run away who knows what would have happened. Had I thought very logically I wouldn't have left her like that. But you don't think logically in these situations. It is quite possible that you make assumptions instead of checking every detail etc. You say that "every human being" would check for their loved one first. I guess I'm not a human being?! My instinct was to protect her, and it led me to act pretty clumsily. As far as Reeva responding, I find it much harder to believe she wouldn't have made a sound. Impossible? No, of course not. Unlikely, sure. Anyway, I just find it strange that we see humans acting in strange illogical ways day in day out... but when it comes to a purportedly high stress situation like this we think everyone should act perfectly logically.
Greyztone What you are saying is true, in situations of high stress, it's easy to act out illogically, yes indeed. However In the case of OP and Reeva, you have to take what has been said so far in to account. OP maintains he never heard Reeva, not when he was instructing her to call the police and not even after he fired the first shot, no screams nothing. He didn't even hear her fall. All this time, his voice was the only one he heard. So even when he challenged whoever he thought was in the bathroom, still no response from Reeva, when he's been screaming and going nuts, still nothing from Reeva to ask whats going on, or if he's alright or whatever. No sorry just cannot believe his version of events. I'm going to be crude here and ask, was Reeva a deaf mute???? Given all the commotion going on, she would just sit and wait in the bathroom in silence? OP never calls out, Reeva are you ok? Reeva where are you? nothing?? Nonsense! He;s directing a gun at the bathroom and calling out to the intruder, the projection of his voice would have got to Reeva in the bathroom in which she would have responded. His entire story is ridiculous and so far fetched and defies common sense,
Greyztone you are correct. But if that was on its own then I woukd be more inclined to believe his version. Its this with all the other inconsistencies in op version that tells us he is lying.
Today OP said that he didn't stop screaming until he shot the door. Few days ago he said that he didn't scream inside the bathroom because he didn't want the intruder to know his position.
Gerrie Nel has blown apart every aspect of OP's story...and I cannot believe there are people who cannot see that the only thing consistent has been the lies coming out of Oscar Pistorius's mouth!
pps1fan "If" there was an intruder in that room. The only thing they would have done would be to turn and exit back out of the window. Pistorious is without doubt a snivelling liar. They had argued, Reeva had, had enough, told him that it was over. He wasn't going to let her make a show of him by leaving him. He saw the red mist and killed her.
Favourite comment by the judge: "He may say he does not know. We might still infer that he does know from other facts, but he can still say that he does not." Pistorius must be thinking - oh heck, My Lady is inferring things that might be different to what i am saying!!
OP is actually putting himself in a worse position by saying he does not know as then inferences from other witnesses' evidence may be drawn and will be taken as fact by the court.
No sis, I feel the same. It confuses the crap out of me as to why?? 🤦🏾♀️ I’d like to see that same sympathy and protection from her for poor Reeva R.I.P. 🕊
Mr. Pistorius if you believed you were in a life threatening situation, "terrified" & "scared", why, after cautiously advancing down the bathroom passage did you stand facing the toilet door with an open window to your side?
OK, finally I think I got the missing piece of the (my) puzzle: Ever since I've heard of this story, I was asking myself: How could OP know where to aim at to shoot the fatal shot which finally killed Reeva? ( outing myself: I have never believed his version, but that he intended to kill her because he could not face the emberassement of what ever had happened before the two during that night). Today it became clear to me: OP actually HEARD the noise of a moving newspaper rack, but not BEFORE but instead AFTER he fired the first shot- This is were the usual useful 'tactic' of mixing truth with lies during fals testemony fired back on him. He said ' moving wood' and needed to explain it, but couldn't come up with a plausible explenation. Then he thought about the moving rack, but forgot under pressure of Nel that it this movement really happened AFTER the first shoots. Rot! Pistorius!
From what t recall Oscar did mention the sound of something like wood moving BEFORE he shot in a previous session.that why he was certain someone was hiding. He is getting in a deeper mess he should only be answering the questions,and not reasons why without being asked. He is adding info.gibing Mr Nell new fuel to work with. Oscar is a hard head and probably not taking his council's advice. He has to have the last word it is in nature to be so!
why? if shes phoning the police. I am South African.. and thats what I hear.. He was about to say Why.. but changed "IF" or "Isnt" she is phoning the police. he said it very softly.. its very easy to miss. its the accent etc.
esteban38able I listened to it numerous times.. with headphones on.. and I definitely hear the "if" ... he started off with why then changed to if.. Listen carefully,, you can hear it. Being South African and understanding his accent makes it easier to hear.
OP said "I wanted to ask reeva why,IF she's phoning the police". Maybe he said WHY first because he inteded to say why she is not phoning the police, but corrected and change it to IF she is phoning the police.
I have watched this session over 100 times (obsessively I agree) but what always stands out is his forgetfulness regarding the duvet, along with everything else after the shots but his CLEAR MEMORY of pushing the duvet more onto the bed when he was putting on his legs when he was caught lying in his earlier testimony seeing Reeva's legs under the duvet opposes this statement. There are SOOO many lies but this one makes me cringe everytime I see this session. I only wish Nel would have caught it (NOW you don't remember the duvet Mr. Pis, but didn't you say earlier you remembered seeing the duvet when you put your legs on?) - they really should have reviewed the prior testimony tapes foresically prior to each session which are invaluable in how to catch liars and their lies.
nel had his case in the bag at 17:00 but i think nel didnt comprehend it at that point oscar admitted that he asked reeva why is she calling the police
At 17:02-17:04, Oscar actually says “I asked Reeva why is she calling the police “? Very incriminating!!! It is truly heartbreaking to see Reeva’s dear Mother sitting in the courtroom, and having to listen to Oscar lying so blatantly just about every time he opens his mouth.
Why isn't there a cardboard cut out of Reeve placed behind the door? Why don't they have a computer scenario of what happened, him on one side of door and bullet holes matching Reeve's body on the other side .
Yep. Computer graphics would save a lot of the misunderstandings with questions as well. They would really pin things down. You could have all the people and all the things moving around in real-time to test the various versions. the stuff they can make for computer games these days, you would think it would be completely standard in courtroom. My guess is it will be one of the "big changes" in courtroom in the years ahead. It has everything to recommend it, except it mean old school lawyers have to get tech savvy with the controls on the thing.
He did, indeed. When we understand that nobody on earth is perfect, not even Nell, it's easier to accept the fact that Nell simply missed this. There are 13 words, and they are as clear as a bell. They are in answer to Nell's question, "Screaming or yelling? [Pistorius: "Screaming"]. Nell: Why would you do that? Why screaming? Pistorius: "I was scared. I wanted to ask Reeva why she's phoning the police."
Yes, that's what he "meant" to say, but the truth has a way of coming out when we don't want it to. It's called a Freudian Slip. Also, my question to him would be, "Mr. Pistorius, if you couldn't hear Reeva, and you couldn't see Reeva, why would you think that she HADN'T called the police. Geeze, I wished Nel had picked up on OP's slip. OP would have crapped himself trying to weasle out of THAT mistake.
That’s without doubt the most incriminating bit of evidence in the whole trial (16:58-17:06), “I was scared, I asked Reeva why is she calling the police”! Amongst the incredible amount of lies coming out his evil mouth, lies we have the truth coming out as a slip of the tongue!!!!
Why is it in Pistorius's version Reeva is mute? She never responds to his so called requests and she never makes one scream or reaction to fear, according to him. Yet here is a grown man armed with a gun screaming, yelling, running around and shooting. He is a murderous liar...and a terrible teller of tales.
Why did Oscar need to search for Reeva on the floor and behind the curtains when he returned to the bedroom after the shooting? Wouldnt she have responded straightaway if he had alerted her that he was back in the room? And after the shooting, why did he not ask Reeva "Did you phone the police?" considering he said that he had already told her to before the shooting. It would have made sense if he had stayed put after shooting, and shouted at Reeva from the bathroom. By returning to the bedroom, how was he sure that the intruders wouldnt have followed him by climbing thru the window which he failed to check, but claims his eyes were focused on as much as on the toilet door b4 he fired.
He doesn't seem to have actually called out to her at all after shooting he didn't for example mention he'd just severely overreacted to a sound of a piece of wood and blasted away a burglar nor does he search the other floors of the house to look for reeva or even turn on the bedroom light to double-check. just rummages in the corner with a gun in his hand.
he didn't check because he was knew that it was Reeva in the toilet he shot at haha.He knew that with those shots there was no way she would still be alive.Apparently Dr Stipp said his shout for help sounded like more of embarrassed not really a cry for help
***** Don't comment here if you want people to stop replying to your comments.No people wont leave Oscar alone ,particularly the law.He cant run for his life this time he has to take this responsibility whether he likes it or not.Justice for Reeva
This is getting really bizzare. His story is sounding more and more like a bad Monty Python sketch and then you have Nel every 30 seconds saying "amirite?" with a fitting facial expression. I can see my lady sitting by the doors shouting "none shall pass" before the week is done.
The only way Reeva got to the bathrooom without pistorius seeing her is if she telaported there. Even if you dont see someone getting up out of bed and walking, you still hear sounds and feel vibrations of that person moving, especially when you are in the same bedroom so close to eachother. Oscar's acting like all his senses got swithed off for a few minutes, before a noise from the bathroom swithed them back on again. Its one of many things that dont make sense from his version and yet the judge did her very best to get oscar the lightest sentance possible, it stinks of corruption..
Oscar's brother and sister look SO WORRIED.... written 4/19/14 (6:58 am) I know that they can see that Oscar's alibi does NOT make sense. I'm sure that if all of us had loved ones in this situation we would want to be supportive. Yet, there is only SO MUCH one can do when you KNOW that someone is GUILTY and that they are LYING! The best that these siblings can do is start separating their emotions NOW, so that they will be able to deal with the GUILTY VERDICT that Oscar will get. We have to remember that although Oscar is CRYING MUCH and purposely VOMITING, Oscar is (NOT) the VICTIM! Reeva Steenkamp and her family and loved ones are the victims and will always be. It's also sad how Oscar and his siblings are sitting back PRAYING to GOD to spare (Oscar's) life when they KNOW that Oscar PURPOSELY committed the HEINOUS CRIME against Reeva and HOW EASY does Oscar try to make it seem to just KILL and let GOD get him off the hook. When testifying, Oscar spoke as IF he had such GREAT FAITH in God. You can't KILL a person and THEN, put on GREAT FAITH to ESCAPE the RAPTURE of God. The rapture of God is what comes to WELL a person for doing such EVIL DEEDS and the wellness in this case, is the punishment that Oscar will receive for his actions.
1)Reeva was wearing day clothes when shot 2)Reevas cell phone was found in the toilet 3)Reeva had undigested food in her stomach probably having eaten between 1am to 2 am 4)Toilet door was locked 5)Reeva was shot in the standing position(possibly talking to Oscar) 6)Five people heard arguing and or a woman screaming and lights on in the Pistorius house. 7)Shots were shot at hip level across door to kill.When the Oscar heard her falling on the magazine rack after Reeva was shot initially he is believed to have adjusted his shooting which explains the direction of the bullet holes.Oscar denies the magazine rack being where it was found by police 8) Defendant call security and said nothing and when security called him he said everything was fine after the killing. 9)Everything in her overnight bag was packed except her jeans which were on the floor. 10)Oscar Pistorius contention is that he ran out to the balcony to yell for help after he shot Miss Steenkamp but this is unlikely relative to the position of the large fan which is directly in front of the balcony and the position the duvet, also if both the duvet and the fan were always there it makes certain that he never closed the curtains and could not use the darkness as a excuse for not seeing Reeva. ? Her jeans are on top of the duvet making it evident that it had been lying there all the time.
I don't understand why people think his version of what happened that night doesn't make sence! Whether he is guilty or not his version is plausible. He may not of heard her walk to the bathroom! Reeve could of taken her phone to the toilet as she was aware Oscar was closing the curtains therefore she would use her phone light to guide her back to the bed! She may have though Oscar was retreating to the bathroom as someone had intruded the house via the balcony! Feeling scared as Oscar is screaming "Get the fuck out of my house" she locks the door!!! Standing facing the door too scared to say anything or open the door, hence being shot in the hip straight on! If he is innocent....this poor man is going through hell!!
As in the neighbours hearing screams in the minute the shooting occurred?. I don't think so. No one calls the police just because they hear an argument.
Kerrieberry1776 no dear, it sounds more like is people like YOU why criminals get away. Im not interested in plausible stories, and his is certainly not. (if you cant see that, i recomend you seat and watch the 40hr footage online.. which i have done) my reply is not ridiculous, you are fooled by glimpses of information, but not taking into account all of the evidence. to challenge you in your example, what was said about food content is that 99% of the time food is digested in less than 6hours, and thats a heavy meal, salads and greens take more like 3hrs or less.. thats the food they found on reevas stomach, so although there is a 1% chance of it not being digested, its very unlikely. ALL facts in this case are very fucking unlikely, its not 1 piece of information, but tons of it. secondly, how do you know she didnt turn ON the light? just because poor Oscar said so.. neighbours confirm the bathroom light was ON! she could have empty the bladder at any point during the course of the night..so that tells you NOTHING the fun was inside.. so you come up with the idea that he must have put it inside!? WTF that means? the fan was inside prob all night, he just says he went to get it outside to have an alibi on why he didnt hear Reeva getting up YOU IDIOT are judging Oscar for who he is, not me. GET THE FACTS RIGHT and then talk.. you are just another ignorant the cant read further than what the defense has to say, and DONT have a critical eye for what the evidence actually is.
Kerrieberry1776 on top of that, he is a fucking killer for using a firearm against someone, doesnt matter if Reeva or someone else. He shot and killed. JAIL. end of story.
How do you not know if there was a duvet on the bed or not when you're checking/feeling around for your girlfriend? Geez. And why would she still be on or in the bed when he had been screaming for her to call the police? She wouldn't still be lying in bed after all that. I was starting to wonder if he is telling the truth afterall, until now. According the OP, Reeva was not only a mute but invisible.
Don't expect him to make sense. Every time he opens his mouth he lies. He started off with a lie, and every time he's been asked about his story, he compounds it by adding yet another lie. Think of it this way: "MistehP'sturyus" is standing up dominoes in a random-looking pattern, like Nel presents the questions to him. Every time he answers a question or sheds a crocodile tear (non-Americans pls google kthx) he stands up another domino in this seemingly random pattern. By the end of this trial, Nel is going to have Pistorius so tied up in knots, the puzzle will be complete when the judge hops down and flicks the first domino, and they fall in a pattern that says "GUILTY." :o)
Oscar at no point throughout your testimony have you indicated that that you called out to Reeva to talk talk to you !!!!!! Sad to see and sad to say her mother must be going through sheer hell listening to this testimony if he has a morsel of remorse he surely needs to impart it some time soon. It's clear for anyone to see what's gone on here and my heart goes out to that poor girl and quite obviously the turmoil her poor mother must be going through listening to what he put her child through
Small details like this, amaze me.. Nel: "Did you fire to shoot the intruder". OP: "No, I did not. I fired, because I got a fright." Nel: "And it was all an accident, am I right?"
Reeva could also have gone out on the balcony, when he didn't find her beside the bed. Even after all this testimony, where he knows Nel will check him on every single point, he's still so careless that he hasn't prepared for any of these probing questions. Surely the most important thing about my story, whether it's true or false, is that it doesn't change. After a year to prepare, with the best legal counsel obtainable, he's not prepared to tell one story and keep it consistent, and this is the most arrogant of all the arrogant things about this 'man'.
Is it not possible that Reeva heard Oscar shouting at the intruders to get out, so she kept silent, locked the bathroom door, and remained by the door to listen to what was going on?
The bathroom was en-suite, if oscar is shouting in the bathroom for someone to get out of his house surely she would know that he could only be addressing her? She would know she was the only one in the bathroom and if, in the unlikely event someone broke in downstairs the alarm would have gone off. If Oscar was as safety conscious as he stated then she would know the house was alarmed.
But if she indeed hid inside the bathroom after hearing Oscar yelling out to her, what was the original noise he supposedly heard? He said he heard a noise in the bathroom THEN told Reeva quietly to call the police isnt that right? So damn confusing... I just think there are so many places in time in which this man didn't use common sense AT ALL; not buying his story though if he indeed didnt do it, then there's something more to this story we dont know...
Sparrow Dean He did not have his house alarm on.....nor fix his broken window...nor did the dog bark.....nor did he worry about having the fans on from out side the bedroom door.....scard was he....no......murderer he is....
I understand where the State is coming from on this, but even if OP is bullshit lying, based on his version, he couldn't have been reasonable, rational, or tactile. It just doesn't happen under immense trauma like that. The prosecution is like why didn't you do this why didn't you do that, yeah in hindsight there are a hell of a lot of things he could've, should've done differently. The only kind of people who can think in some semblance of calm and order, are those trained, in this type of situation, those who have been through it before, or Sociopaths.... just sayin....
OH MY GODDDD 'my lady' is really beginning to piss me off. She keeps jumping in to defend oscar whenever Nel asks him a hurtful question. she bloody fancies him
there is no way he could have avoid it anyways and he has toasted himself off with his lies.If you lie it is easy to get mistakes with what you say and he is even got caught everytime by Nel and he still denies upfront.unbelievable.
no one would do anything rationel when they shit scared... and OP is being blamed for not having done rational things on that night.... he was shit scared. now he is been asked the same questions again and again while on medication...seriously this nel makes me sick
you think OP is a violent person and intentionnely killed reeva...maybe he did, and all i m saying its that he is on med and cannot speak and explain things properly ... we could be a reason why he doesn't make sense sometime.... Nel asking his questions the way he does doesnt help. read again what you wrote to me...that s violent and rude...i didn't attack you.
So, only AFTER you fired shots did you start to panic that you didn't hear her at all. AND, never turns on the lights to assist him with any of this... Complete BS.
Is it just me or this judge is extremely annoying and it seems as if she is aiding those who are trying to prove his innocence by dismissing some of prosecutor Nel's questioning?
i agree jean pierre..it's obvious and sickening..she has been paid off, or threatened...much like frank, his housekeeper, who must have heard everything...i think frank may have been killed.
From what I know, Gerrie Nel has not capitalized on something extremely crucial, and that is, why was the door slammed? The answer is because OP is grabbing bits and pieces of what really happened while at the same time fabricating a lie, he grabbed the real part of the door slamming without realizing how crucial that is. Why did Reeva slam the door? Because of an argument of course.
Marilyn Peterson Nah, he curtailed his sentence mid-point and started another. He said "I wanted to ask Reeva why (breaks sentence)...(new sentence) if she was phoning the police" I had to listen carefully. I still think he's lying though.
No I honestly dont think he said that. He broke the sentence midpoint, but there was no pause so the sentence blends into one. Im assuming thats why Nel didnt pounce on it?
He definitely said 'I asked Reeva why she was phoning the police?'...yes this could be a slip of the tongue and instead it should have been ' I asked Reeva IF she was phoning the police?'...but it could also be he accidently recalled the actual events as it ocurred, the information we store in our heads is filed and I think this could be a case that he momentarily slipped up and accessed the 'true' file in his head instead of the 'edited' file but how do you prove it he is only going to say he mixed his words!.
I have a few ?s: Anyone who has lived in South Africa or knows about the crime rate there: Is it common for people not to trust & call police if they have been involved in a crime? Trying to figure out if it's weird that all this other stuff happened, like the break in & the highway shooting, not to call police? It'd certainly be strange in the US. Also having problem with the gated community; is it strange to act so paranoid in a secure estate? Even though crime is high? These are ?s I consider to be very important. Will greatly appreciate anyone who wishes to answer. Thank you in advance :)
if he is guilty, why is he putting himself through hell....I cant believe a man like that would continue to lie......I would rather come clean...then be questioned by that man
because it's South Africa! he felt himself as a rich man? he had a lot of fear about his "richness" someone can stole something of him?? that makes him very vulnerable!! he had of lot of fear about things in his house and - that's clear - he would protect Reeva.
***** yes - i agree with you! he must be paranoid - but!! is this a reason to put him for 25 years in jail?? i think it's not! it's so hard for him to know he kill his beloved girlfriend!! that is enough pain for him and i'm sure he thought it was a intruder..- yes - he killed someone but - he didn't know - in this moment - what he has done..- he had to much paranoid fear! in himself.
***** yes - i think - in "this way" he is innocent, that he didn't want to kill Reeva, but he would "make sure" - that the person - behind the door - doesn't hurt himself - he would protect Reeva and he would protect himself - sure - he could have a paranoiac about he is living in south africa - terrible much bad things happened there and people been stolen from a lot - and also for that - he had too much fear!
He thought it was an intruder, so why did he not leave the room or check the door of the room? This liar says, seconds after shooting is when he thought it must have been Reeva behind the toilet door. He was so scared seconds before he shot at the door because he feared for his life, why would he not just leave and call for help there and there, as he shot at intruder(s). Remember it's intruders, which you no longer hear those noises that made you fear for your life so please tell me why any person would not just quickly get out of the house call the neighbours or police there and then. Reeva would have ran out, if there hadn't been a fight between them and everything was loving as he says.
Reeva had posted shortly before this Valentine's Day: "What surprise have you women prepared for your loved ones on Valentine's Day?" One would have to ask Pistorius if he had a surprise from her or if it was precisely the surprise planned by Reeva that led him to suspect a burglar! Someone else besides me must have read her posting - unfortunately I don't know if it was on the internet or in a fashion magazine!
As quickly as he thought it was an intruder was as quickly as he thought it was Reeva after the fourth shot. The longer he would have deliberated to believing it was an intruder, the more time it would have given him and the woman he claims to have loved enough time to evacuate!!!
He doesn't understand or think that someone would ever run out of the room if there is an intruder upstairs.... BUT, it makes sense for someone to hide in the same room behind a curtain?
Let's say there was an intruder in the toilet room, Why, would they attempt to come forward out of the room, through the door, knowing that a gun was being pointing at them. Wouldn't the intruder turn and exit back out of the window, away from any danger of being shot. This fact alone proves that OP. is not telling the truth. I believe the judge to have been incompetent in every way.
If your version is fact Mr. Pistorius, why did your housekeeper not testify to prevent conviction of an innocent man rather than flee South Africa ASAP?
Thomas Fielding yes I have, but those guys are sitting there for the all sessions during the day, they sure must be plugged into a power source somewhere
Like i said MacBooks are designed to last 10 hours easily on battery that is there main design spec... you have probably never had a premium device like this, most laptops use crap batteries that barely last 5 minutes.
He's running around with no prosthetics on? he says he remembers Standing there feeling helpless? all this happened before he put his prosthetic limbs on, he says he put them on after he called for help out the balcony.
He says he fired because he got a fright, but once said that; "before I knew, I had four shots through the door" seems like OP has multiple defences 🤔🤔🤔
is he crying all the time or is that just his voice? will he go to prison if found guilty ..or does his condition with his legs make things different...most people would crack up by now.
Good question I was wondering the same Nick. The fact that he only knew how many shots he had fired at the toilet door was by what evidence was presented to him, rather than by his own recollection, initiated that thought with me. That coupled with the hole in the bedroom door, which has not yet been discussed. Neither has the pair of jeans that was pictured on the patio. I think there may well be much more to come from Nel yet.
He used a Glock 27 which holds nine bullets in the magazine. The gun itself can only hold one bullet at a time. This gun is designed with a safety. The safety must be released before a bullet releases. He fired four shots and five remained in the magazine. He used Black Talens bullets which are designed to spin and explode in a claw-like fashion (hence the word talens - a bird claw) once it has entered its target. Of note also, this weapon requires a 5-7 lb. pull on the trigger to release a bullet. This boy knew what he was doing. This girl died an excruciatingly painful death.
The looks on the faces of the Pistorius family today say quite a lot. They look like they know Oscar is guilty and they want out of this nightmare scene...
I've been in the family's situation before & it sucks, for everyone involved ;( In 1996 my big brother, Jamie Stafford, was shot & killed by his "best friend" during an argument over a girl they both cared for. The defense was self defense, even tho my brother was unarmed at the time b/c the killer had HIS gun. (My brother was shot with his own gun.) Just because Jamie could fight well & defend himself, his "friend" told the court he felt his life was in danger. Jamie never seriously hurt anyone during a fight in his entire life & he didn't have a short temper. I struggled with & still struggle with the fact that his "friend" felt so threatened by Jamie's bare hands that he felt he had to find the gun & use it! & the fact that the legal system justified it! The outcome was not guilty on murder 1 & guilty of the lesser manslaughter charge. He only spent 3 months behind bars for shooting Jamie 3 times, point blank in the chest. I grew up without my big brother ;( 15years later, it still hurts. I feel so badly for her family. I broke down into tears thinking of how they must of felt during the autopsy testimony. Having to hear all those awful details ;( My thoughts & prayers are with them. This trail has been difficult for me to watch, so i can only imagine how the family must be feeling.
Possible scenario : Reeva&Oscar left the coffee shop. Oscar followed Reeva close behind unbeknown to Reeva. She picks up present. Visits herX. Then goes to Oscar's home. He arrived shortly after. He probably had a long face. So the evening may not have started off well. She ties to get him to talk. He being evasive not wanting to say he was spying on her. He said that he helped her go over her contract. He may have not agreed to all the commitments she would have away from him. Maybe she said he was silly. He then brings up all sorts greviences against him. A quarrel begins she wants to leave. Oscar rethinks and convinces her to stay they will sleep on it. He wakes through night or not slept at all, brewing with rage at why Reeva had not mentioned her visit to her X. She wakes up and queries him,he goes into a rade and tells her he followed her . She is insensed about his mistrust, a full blown argument behinds. Oscar shuts the balcony doors draws blinds. Reeva had enough ,wants to leave. Puts on jeans. Heads to locked bedroom doors. Tries to remove cricket bat from under handle which keeps the door tight against the damaged door jamm. She removed cricket bat,Oscar takes it from her, she noe is spewing angry to, she may be threatening him with exposure. In a blind rage he whacks her against the head. She stumbles, he drags her over to the bed.(blood on bat, bed had,wall?). He pulls her jeans off, and she may of escaped to the toilet. He chased her he heard the door slam. He begins wacking the door. She screams trying to keep the door shut, screaming his a lunatic. This makes him lose total reason.Says. 'I'll showe yuu hoe Cryzee I em' he goes get gun and the rest is history,
Prosecutor is unprofessional , very aggressive and drag on useless questions too long , everybody in curt look tired ! He should be more efficient doing his job !!!
The germans say " luegen haben kurze beine" , which translates to "lies have short legs" (pun not intended)....:-)
I can't understand how anyone can believe he's innocent. It's simply not possible to see any logic in his story. Just imagine: You sleep next to your partner. You hear noises. What is the first thing that every human being would do if he's afraid there is danger? Look for the one you care about. In Pistorius' case: Look at the bed - done. No shootings, no dead girlfriends. Everything else is against human instinct.
But whatever, let's imagine Pistorius really did behave as illogical as he professes. Better look through Steenkamps eyes now: What would you do if you go to the bathroom in the night and suddenly you hear your beloved and loving boyfriend scream and run around the room next to yours panicky? Would you stay silent? Would you stay in your room? Wouldn't you look what happened or answer his shouts for you because you care about that person, because you're afraid something is wrong and you both could be in danger?
Every. Person. Would. Have. Answered.
Every. Person. Would. Have. Checked. The. Bed.
Never in a million ways I could believe his bullshit. He's lying and he does it because he wanted to shoot her behind that door. Whether it was affect based or not, whether the prosecutor is right or not. Pistorius lies. This is certain.
Exactly. He was screaming at the bathroom for the "intruder" to get the F out of his house.. To think that Reeva wouldn't have responded to any of that is completely nonsense.
Every single person I have asked about this said that they would:
1.) Make sure she is accounted for.
2.) Make sure she is SAFE.
3.) Make sure to get an answer from Reeva before running anywhere..
His version makes absolutely no sense.
I'm NOT saying he's innocent BUT... I just want to say this.
My flat was broken into a few months ago. I woke from sleep, and still drowsy, heard odd noises in the hallway outside my bedroom. As soon as my mind clicked that something was strange I leapt out of my bed across the room, dragging the cover with me, and burst into the hall. I was there before I knew it, though it must have taken a few seconds, and I was shouting at the people I found at the door. Luckily for me they ran away.
Only after they had gone did I turn back to see my girlfriend on the bed, naked. She was dazed, silent and confused. I never once checked to see if she was beside me before jumping up. I assumed she was there because that's where she sleeps!
Now, it's a very different story, and again I'm not saying Pistorius is innocent, but I do find it strange that people are SO SURE about exactly what people do in these kind of situations.
Looking back on it I felt sick that I had removed the covers from the bed leaving my girlfriend exposed. Had the guys not run away who knows what would have happened. Had I thought very logically I wouldn't have left her like that. But you don't think logically in these situations. It is quite possible that you make assumptions instead of checking every detail etc.
You say that "every human being" would check for their loved one first. I guess I'm not a human being?! My instinct was to protect her, and it led me to act pretty clumsily.
As far as Reeva responding, I find it much harder to believe she wouldn't have made a sound. Impossible? No, of course not. Unlikely, sure.
Anyway, I just find it strange that we see humans acting in strange illogical ways day in day out... but when it comes to a purportedly high stress situation like this we think everyone should act perfectly logically.
Greyztone What you are saying is true, in situations of high stress, it's easy to act out illogically, yes indeed. However In the case of OP and Reeva, you have to take what has been said so far in to account. OP maintains he never heard Reeva, not when he was instructing her to call the police and not even after he fired the first shot, no screams nothing. He didn't even hear her fall. All this time, his voice was the only one he heard. So even when he challenged whoever he thought was in the bathroom, still no response from Reeva, when he's been screaming and going nuts, still nothing from Reeva to ask whats going on, or if he's alright or whatever. No sorry just cannot believe his version of events.
I'm going to be crude here and ask, was Reeva a deaf mute???? Given all the commotion going on, she would just sit and wait in the bathroom in silence? OP never calls out, Reeva are you ok? Reeva where are you? nothing?? Nonsense! He;s directing a gun at the bathroom and calling out to the intruder, the projection of his voice would have got to Reeva in the bathroom in which she would have responded.
His entire story is ridiculous and so far fetched and defies common sense,
Greyztone you are correct.
But if that was on its own then I woukd be more inclined to believe his version.
Its this with all the other inconsistencies in op version that tells us he is lying.
Greyztone t totally agree with you! i'm also sure he didn't want to kill Reeva! i'm pretty sure about it!
Today OP said that he didn't stop screaming until he shot the door. Few days ago he said that he didn't scream inside the bathroom because he didn't want the intruder to know his position.
well said, you noticed important point. he really lied am awful lot and you caught him out!
Gerrie Nel has blown apart every aspect of OP's story...and I cannot believe there are people who cannot see that the only thing consistent has been the lies coming out of Oscar Pistorius's mouth!
hahaha exactly!that is the only thing you can see or notice in his testimonies LIES.And Nel is very good in digging it out for the world to see!!!
pps1fan "If" there was an intruder in that room. The only thing they would have done would be to turn and exit back out of the window. Pistorious is without doubt a snivelling liar. They had argued, Reeva had, had enough, told him that it was over. He wasn't going to let her make a show of him by leaving him. He saw the red mist and killed her.
Oscar can't keep track of all his lies! He's running around in circles! Oscar's family looks worried too!
Favourite comment by the judge: "He may say he does not know. We might still infer that he does know from other facts, but he can still say that he does not." Pistorius must be thinking - oh heck, My Lady is inferring things that might be different to what i am saying!!
Do you think that was a Froidin slip of her tongue ?
OP is actually putting himself in a worse position by saying he does not know as then inferences from other witnesses' evidence may be drawn and will be taken as fact by the court.
is it just me that thinks the judge is too protective of OP?
True
I think she had the biggest crush on Oscar, she couldn’t stop staring at him!
@@RG-ja34sep The judge is living with a disability as well, maybe that's why she was so lienient on OP.
No sis, I feel the same. It confuses the crap out of me as to why?? 🤦🏾♀️ I’d like to see that same sympathy and protection from her for poor Reeva R.I.P. 🕊
Mr. Pistorius if you believed you were in a life threatening situation, "terrified" & "scared", why, after cautiously advancing down the bathroom passage did you stand facing the toilet door with an open window to your side?
Amazing that OP never once was facing the bed. His back was always away from the bed... What a LIAR!!!!!!
His ramblings and dissembling are classic signs of guilt.
OK, finally I think I got the missing piece of the (my) puzzle: Ever since I've heard of this story, I was asking myself: How could OP know where to aim at to shoot the fatal shot which finally killed Reeva? ( outing myself: I have never believed his version, but that he intended to kill her because he could not face the emberassement of what ever had happened before the two during that night). Today it became clear to me: OP actually HEARD the noise of a moving newspaper rack, but not BEFORE but instead AFTER
he fired the first shot- This is were the usual useful 'tactic' of mixing truth with lies during fals testemony fired back on him. He said ' moving wood' and needed to explain it, but couldn't come up with a plausible explenation. Then he thought about the moving rack, but forgot under pressure of Nel that it this movement really happened AFTER the first shoots.
Rot! Pistorius!
Sorry for the typos, I'm not a native US/UK :-)
From what t recall Oscar did mention the sound of something like wood moving BEFORE he shot in a previous session.that why he was certain someone was hiding. He is getting in a deeper mess he should only be answering the questions,and not reasons why without being asked. He is adding info.gibing Mr Nell new fuel to work with. Oscar is a hard head and probably not taking his council's advice. He has to have the last word it is in nature to be so!
Ask him why Reeva didnt scream out....Oscar its me in the bathroom??
16:57 OP says "I wanted to ask Reeva why she's phoning the police". LET THAT ONE SLIP!
yes i agree, he really said that... and its a scandal press media and Nell did overllook and overhear that.
why? if shes phoning the police. I am South African.. and thats what I hear.. He was about to say Why.. but changed "IF" or "Isnt" she is phoning the police. he said it very softly.. its very easy to miss. its the accent etc.
Theresa Coss sorry all i hear is: why shes phoning the police........ i dont hear any if or isnt ...
esteban38able
I listened to it numerous times.. with headphones on.. and I definitely hear the "if" ... he started off with why then changed to if.. Listen carefully,, you can hear it. Being South African and understanding his accent makes it easier to hear.
OP said "I wanted to ask reeva why,IF she's phoning the police".
Maybe he said WHY first because he inteded to say why she is not phoning the police, but corrected and change it to IF she is phoning the police.
Someone should count how many times OP said" I don't remember" on cross.
While holding a cocked gun he parts curtains , opens both balcony doors, the gets upset when shown how ridiculous it is.
I have watched this session over 100 times (obsessively I agree) but what always stands out is his forgetfulness regarding the duvet, along with everything else after the shots but his CLEAR MEMORY of pushing the duvet more onto the bed when he was putting on his legs when he was caught lying in his earlier testimony seeing Reeva's legs under the duvet opposes this statement. There are SOOO many lies but this one makes me cringe everytime I see this session. I only wish Nel would have caught it (NOW you don't remember the duvet Mr. Pis, but didn't you say earlier you remembered seeing the duvet when you put your legs on?) - they really should have reviewed the prior testimony tapes foresically prior to each session which are invaluable in how to catch liars and their lies.
the judge still today not have a clue what is going on and the two next to her a lit more ..what a joke
Absolute mongs
The judge has seemed to stick up for him several times now.
She has. And it disturbed me every single time 🤦🏾♀️
The problem with lying is that you have to remember all your lies and then you make things up and next you know you’re caught in your lies
nel had his case in the bag at 17:00 but i think nel didnt comprehend it at that point
oscar admitted that he asked reeva why is she calling the police
I can't see him winning any Oscars for this act, he can't even remember his lines, or should I say lies.
Pistol taker.
At 17:02-17:04, Oscar actually says “I asked Reeva why is she calling the police “?
Very incriminating!!!
It is truly heartbreaking to see Reeva’s dear Mother sitting in the courtroom, and having to listen to Oscar lying so blatantly just about every time he opens his mouth.
Why isn't there a cardboard cut out of Reeve placed behind the door? Why don't they have a computer scenario of what happened, him on one side of door and bullet holes matching Reeve's body on the other side .
Yep. Computer graphics would save a lot of the misunderstandings with questions as well. They would really pin things down. You could have all the people and all the things moving around in real-time to test the various versions. the stuff they can make for computer games these days, you would think it would be completely standard in courtroom. My guess is it will be one of the "big changes" in courtroom in the years ahead. It has everything to recommend it, except it mean old school lawyers have to get tech savvy with the controls on the thing.
thank you Judge! "you might think something and hope for something else"
18:37 Mr Nel enjoys smiling the crying testimony of Pistorius
Nel missed that one !! Massive slip "I wanted to ask Reeva why she's phoning the police"
He did, indeed. When we understand that nobody on earth is perfect, not even Nell, it's easier to accept the fact that Nell simply missed this. There are 13 words, and they are as clear as a bell. They are in answer to Nell's question, "Screaming or yelling? [Pistorius: "Screaming"]. Nell: Why would you do that? Why screaming? Pistorius: "I was scared. I wanted to ask Reeva why she's phoning the police."
Maybe he said I wanted to ask Reeva,is she phoning the police.? Or meant and that is what Nel maybe heard that is why he did not picked up
Oscar meant to say 'i wanted to know why Reeva was NOT phoning the police" but he omitted the NOT ..was that an accident too??
Yes, that's what he "meant" to say, but the truth has a way of coming out when we don't want it to. It's called a Freudian Slip.
Also, my question to him would be, "Mr. Pistorius, if you couldn't hear Reeva, and you couldn't see Reeva, why would you think that she HADN'T called the police.
Geeze, I wished Nel had picked up on OP's slip. OP would have crapped himself trying to weasle out of THAT mistake.
That’s without doubt the most incriminating bit of evidence in the whole trial (16:58-17:06),
“I was scared, I asked Reeva why is she calling the police”!
Amongst the incredible amount of lies coming out his evil mouth, lies we have the truth coming out as a slip of the tongue!!!!
Why is it in Pistorius's version Reeva is mute? She never responds to his so called requests and she never makes one scream or reaction to fear, according to him. Yet here is a grown man armed with a gun screaming, yelling, running around and shooting. He is a murderous liar...and a terrible teller of tales.
She also locks herself in the toilet leaving him to deal with the intruders on his own having no safe place to hide.
she is mute r.wilton, because pistorius has invented EVERYTHING after she has died....
This prosecutor is Brilliant.
Why did Oscar need to search for Reeva on the floor and behind the curtains when he returned to the bedroom after the shooting? Wouldnt she have responded straightaway if he had alerted her that he was back in the room? And after the shooting, why did he not ask Reeva "Did you phone the police?" considering he said that he had already told her to before the shooting. It would have made sense if he had stayed put after shooting, and shouted at Reeva from the bathroom. By returning to the bedroom, how was he sure that the intruders wouldnt have followed him by climbing thru the window which he failed to check, but claims his eyes were focused on as much as on the toilet door b4 he fired.
He doesn't seem to have actually called out to her at all after shooting he didn't for example mention he'd just severely overreacted to a sound of a piece of wood and blasted away a burglar nor does he search the other floors of the house to look for reeva or even turn on the bedroom light to double-check. just rummages in the corner with a gun in his hand.
he didn't check because he was knew that it was Reeva in the toilet he shot at haha.He knew that with those shots there was no way she would still be alive.Apparently Dr Stipp said his shout for help sounded like more of embarrassed not really a cry for help
***** Don't comment here if you want people to stop replying to your comments.No people wont leave Oscar alone ,particularly the law.He cant run for his life this time he has to take this responsibility whether he likes it or not.Justice for Reeva
Went out to the balcony to call for help -- Why not call 911??
He must have heard Reeva screaming in pain, screaming, pleeing for her life, during three shots he fired
Then call out her name! Unbelievable
This is getting really bizzare. His story is sounding more and more like a bad Monty Python sketch and then you have Nel every 30 seconds saying "amirite?" with a fitting facial expression.
I can see my lady sitting by the doors shouting "none shall pass" before the week is done.
I think Mr Nell is saying 'Emi-Rrrite Mr pistoius'
it seems like OP is calling Nel a lady cause the camera is on him when ever OP finishes answering his questions with yes/no M'lady
The only way Reeva got to the bathrooom without pistorius seeing her is if she telaported there. Even if you dont see someone getting up out of bed and walking, you still hear sounds and feel vibrations of that person moving, especially when you are in the same bedroom so close to eachother.
Oscar's acting like all his senses got swithed off for a few minutes, before a noise from the bathroom swithed them back on again. Its one of many things that dont make sense from his version and yet the judge did her very best to get oscar the lightest sentance possible, it stinks of corruption..
Oscar's brother and sister look SO WORRIED....
written 4/19/14 (6:58 am)
I know that they can see that Oscar's alibi does NOT make sense. I'm sure that if all of us had loved ones in this situation we would want to be supportive. Yet, there is only SO MUCH one can do when you KNOW that someone is GUILTY and that they are LYING! The best that these siblings can do is start separating their emotions NOW, so that they will be able to deal with the GUILTY VERDICT that Oscar will get. We have to remember that although Oscar is CRYING MUCH and purposely VOMITING, Oscar is (NOT) the VICTIM! Reeva Steenkamp and her family and loved ones are the victims and will always be.
It's also sad how Oscar and his siblings are sitting back PRAYING to GOD to spare (Oscar's) life when they KNOW that Oscar PURPOSELY committed the HEINOUS CRIME against Reeva and HOW EASY does Oscar try to make it seem to just KILL and let GOD get him off the hook.
When testifying, Oscar spoke as IF he had such GREAT FAITH in God. You can't KILL a person and THEN, put on GREAT FAITH to ESCAPE the RAPTURE of God. The rapture of God is what comes to WELL a person for doing such EVIL DEEDS and the wellness in this case, is the punishment that Oscar will receive for his actions.
One of the best cases ever.
1)Reeva was wearing day clothes when shot
2)Reevas cell phone was found in the toilet
3)Reeva had undigested food in her stomach probably having eaten between 1am to 2 am
4)Toilet door was locked
5)Reeva was shot in the standing position(possibly talking to Oscar)
6)Five people heard arguing and or a woman screaming and lights on in the Pistorius house.
7)Shots were shot at hip level across door to kill.When the Oscar heard her falling on the magazine rack after Reeva was shot initially he is believed to have adjusted his shooting which explains the direction of the bullet holes.Oscar denies the magazine rack being where it was found by police
8) Defendant call security and said nothing and when security called him he said everything was fine after the killing.
9)Everything in her overnight bag was packed except her jeans which were on the floor.
10)Oscar Pistorius contention is that he ran out to the balcony to yell for help after he shot Miss Steenkamp but this is unlikely relative to the position of the large fan which is directly in front of the balcony and the position the duvet, also if both the duvet and the fan were always there it makes certain that he never closed the curtains and could not use the darkness as a excuse for not seeing Reeva. ? Her jeans are on top of the duvet making it evident that it had been lying there all the time.
The Bullterrier is ripping him apart (^_^) very good Nel!!!
I don't understand why people think his version of what happened that night doesn't make sence! Whether he is guilty or not his version is plausible.
He may not of heard her walk to the bathroom!
Reeve could of taken her phone to the toilet as she was aware Oscar was closing the curtains therefore she would use her phone light to guide her back to the bed!
She may have though Oscar was retreating to the bathroom as someone had intruded the house via the balcony!
Feeling scared as Oscar is screaming "Get the fuck out of my house" she locks the door!!! Standing facing the door too scared to say anything or open the door, hence being shot in the hip straight on!
If he is innocent....this poor man is going through hell!!
Kerrieberry1776 you dont make SENCE
if it went your way a call wouldve then been made to the police before she got shot?
As in the neighbours hearing screams in the minute the shooting occurred?. I don't think so. No one calls the police just because they hear an argument.
Kerrieberry1776 no dear, it sounds more like is people like YOU why criminals get away.
Im not interested in plausible stories, and his is certainly not. (if you cant see that, i recomend you seat and watch the 40hr footage online.. which i have done)
my reply is not ridiculous, you are fooled by glimpses of information, but not taking into account all of the evidence.
to challenge you in your example, what was said about food content is that 99% of the time food is digested in less than 6hours, and thats a heavy meal, salads and greens take more like 3hrs or less.. thats the food they found on reevas stomach, so although there is a 1% chance of it not being digested, its very unlikely. ALL facts in this case are very fucking unlikely, its not 1 piece of information, but tons of it.
secondly, how do you know she didnt turn ON the light? just because poor Oscar said so.. neighbours confirm the bathroom light was ON!
she could have empty the bladder at any point during the course of the night..so that tells you NOTHING
the fun was inside.. so you come up with the idea that he must have put it inside!? WTF that means? the fan was inside prob all night, he just says he went to get it outside to have an alibi on why he didnt hear Reeva getting up
YOU IDIOT are judging Oscar for who he is, not me. GET THE FACTS RIGHT and then talk.. you are just another ignorant the cant read further than what the defense has to say, and DONT have a critical eye for what the evidence actually is.
Kerrieberry1776
on top of that, he is a fucking killer for using a firearm against someone, doesnt matter if Reeva or someone else. He shot and killed. JAIL. end of story.
Stop with that whiny voice! Why didn't you look out the bedroom door? I think he got you on that one. Nice work, Mr. Nel.
Spot pn!
How do you not know if there was a duvet on the bed or not when you're checking/feeling around for your girlfriend? Geez. And why would she still be on or in the bed when he had been screaming for her to call the police? She wouldn't still be lying in bed after all that. I was starting to wonder if he is telling the truth afterall, until now. According the OP, Reeva was not only a mute but invisible.
Don't expect him to make sense. Every time he opens his mouth he lies. He started off with a lie, and every time he's been asked about his story, he compounds it by adding yet another lie.
Think of it this way: "MistehP'sturyus" is standing up dominoes in a random-looking pattern, like Nel presents the questions to him. Every time he answers a question or sheds a crocodile tear (non-Americans pls google kthx) he stands up another domino in this seemingly random pattern.
By the end of this trial, Nel is going to have Pistorius so tied up in knots, the puzzle will be complete when the judge hops down and flicks the first domino, and they fall in a pattern that says "GUILTY." :o)
Holly Brook Now ya got the picture! =)
Oscar at no point throughout your testimony have you indicated that that you called out to Reeva to talk talk to you !!!!!! Sad to see and sad to say her mother must be going through sheer hell listening to this testimony if he has a morsel of remorse he surely needs to impart it some time soon. It's clear for anyone to see what's gone on here and my heart goes out to that poor girl and quite obviously the turmoil her poor mother must be going through listening to what he put her child through
He should never have taken the stand! He sank his own ship!
***** In my opinion he only made his case worse, that old saying "Silence is Golden" could apply here!
Small details like this, amaze me..
Nel: "Did you fire to shoot the intruder".
OP: "No, I did not. I fired, because I got a fright."
Nel: "And it was all an accident, am I right?"
on your version or once upon a time?,both the same to op.
OH Boy,I think this Judge believes him
It turned out she did.
Reeva could also have gone out on the balcony, when he didn't find her beside the bed.
Even after all this testimony, where he knows Nel will check him on every single point, he's still so careless that he hasn't prepared for any of these probing questions. Surely the most important thing about my story, whether it's true or false, is that it doesn't change. After a year to prepare, with the best legal counsel obtainable, he's not prepared to tell one story and keep it consistent, and this is the most arrogant of all the arrogant things about this 'man'.
Bravo! You nailed it.
Is it not possible that Reeva heard Oscar shouting at the intruders to get out, so she kept silent, locked the bathroom door, and remained by the door to listen to what was going on?
No
The bathroom was en-suite, if oscar is shouting in the bathroom for someone to get out of his house surely she would know that he could only be addressing her? She would know she was the only one in the bathroom and if, in the unlikely event someone broke in downstairs the alarm would have gone off. If Oscar was as safety conscious as he stated then she would know the house was alarmed.
That's exactly what the defense is saying. I think it's plausible, yes. And if Oscar's telling the truth, that's exactly what happened.
But if she indeed hid inside the bathroom after hearing Oscar yelling out to her, what was the original noise he supposedly heard? He said he heard a noise in the bathroom THEN told Reeva quietly to call the police isnt that right? So damn confusing... I just think there are so many places in time in which this man didn't use common sense AT ALL; not buying his story though if he indeed didnt do it, then there's something more to this story we dont know...
Sparrow Dean He did not have his house alarm on.....nor fix his broken window...nor did the dog bark.....nor did he worry about having the fans on from out side the bedroom door.....scard was he....no......murderer he is....
I understand where the State is coming from on this, but even if OP is bullshit lying, based on his version, he couldn't have been reasonable, rational, or tactile. It just doesn't happen under immense trauma like that. The prosecution is like why didn't you do this why didn't you do that, yeah in hindsight there are a hell of a lot of things he could've, should've done differently. The only kind of people who can think in some semblance of calm and order, are those trained, in this type of situation, those who have been through it before, or Sociopaths.... just sayin....
OH MY GODDDD 'my lady' is really beginning to piss me off. She keeps jumping in to defend oscar whenever Nel asks him a hurtful question. she bloody fancies him
The fan did it
😁
I like Will Ferrell's new hairstyle.
Even OPs mind is disabled or he is pretending to be not to get caught of what he has done
Kept his eyes on the passage where there was no light anywhere in the house.
why in gods name would 'checking the bedroom door' be "a very strange thing to do"... an answer SO ridiculous it defies belief...
I bet he regrets taking the stand.
He had no choice. By admitting he shot her by accident, he's the only witness.
It is SA law that as he is only eyewitness then he has too. If he didnt it would be admitting guilt.
for sure this is his undoing,think he might have gotten away with trying to discredit all the other witnesses.But he's exposed himself for all to see
Does his girly voice annoy you as it does me? The sawed-off runt is 100% guilty!
there is no way he could have avoid it anyways and he has toasted himself off with his lies.If you lie it is easy to get mistakes with what you say and he is even got caught everytime by Nel and he still denies upfront.unbelievable.
Less than 3 1/2 hours of testimony , t2_3 breaks for Oscar to compose himself , and they adjourn for the day . At this pace we'll be here until 2015 .
no one would do anything rationel when they shit scared... and OP is being blamed for not having done rational things on that night.... he was shit scared. now he is been asked the same questions again and again while on medication...seriously this nel makes me sick
You make me sick, defending him.
you think OP is a violent person and intentionnely killed reeva...maybe he did, and all i m saying its that he is on med and cannot speak and explain things properly ... we could be a reason why he doesn't make sense sometime.... Nel asking his questions the way he does doesnt help. read again what you wrote to me...that s violent and rude...i didn't attack you.
leo...ask OP his bucket..lol
The best prosecutor we ever had 😢😢😢
I knew it! My lady is in love with Oscar. He'll walk so she can get her hands on him. Valentine's day is gonna be interesting next year.
So, only AFTER you fired shots did you start to panic that you didn't hear her at all.
AND, never turns on the lights to assist him with any of this...
Complete BS.
MAGICAL THINKING OSCAR.....good luck with that angle....
Is it just me or this judge is extremely annoying and it seems as if she is aiding those who are trying to prove his innocence by dismissing some of prosecutor Nel's questioning?
i agree jean pierre..it's obvious and sickening..she has been paid off, or threatened...much like frank, his housekeeper, who must have heard everything...i think frank may have been killed.
From what I know, Gerrie Nel has not capitalized on something extremely crucial, and that is, why was the door slammed? The answer is because OP is grabbing bits and pieces of what really happened while at the same time fabricating a lie, he grabbed the real part of the door slamming without realizing how crucial that is. Why did Reeva slam the door? Because of an argument of course.
great point ryan b...why would reeva SLAM the door?
44:09..."i was trying to save reeva's life"...but he is only speculating that she is in the toilet. That is very close to a confession.
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not an intentional one for sure. he won't. even if surrounded by thousands of facts he may not. lol
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You mean before the cross-exam?
.... Why would she lock the bathroom door "scared of an intruder" while he's in the bathroom "yelling at the intruder"?.....
So happy this guy is locked up. How Reeva suffered trying to placate this irrational entitled man-child.
Why is this already in progress? There is no beginning. How much did we miss here?
LISTEN to 16.59 answer from OP : a slip of the tongue ...
"I was asking Reeva why she was phoning the police" WHAT!?!?!?!
Marilyn Peterson
Nah, he curtailed his sentence mid-point and started another. He said "I wanted to ask Reeva why (breaks sentence)...(new sentence) if she was phoning the police" I had to listen carefully. I still think he's lying though.
Garmez120
"I was asking Reeva.....why she was phoning the police"
No I honestly dont think he said that. He broke the sentence midpoint, but there was no pause so the sentence blends into one. Im assuming thats why Nel didnt pounce on it?
He definitely said 'I asked Reeva why she was phoning the police?'...yes this could be a slip of the tongue and instead it should have been ' I asked Reeva IF she was phoning the police?'...but it could also be he accidently recalled the actual events as it ocurred, the information we store in our heads is filed and I think this could be a case that he momentarily slipped up and accessed the 'true' file in his head instead of the 'edited' file but how do you prove it he is only going to say he mixed his words!.
I have a few ?s:
Anyone who has lived in South Africa or knows about the crime rate there: Is it common for people not to trust & call police if they have been involved in a crime?
Trying to figure out if it's weird that all this other stuff happened, like the break in & the highway shooting, not to call police?
It'd certainly be strange in the US.
Also having problem with the gated community; is it strange to act so paranoid in a secure estate? Even though crime is high?
These are ?s I consider to be very important.
Will greatly appreciate anyone who wishes to answer. Thank you in advance :)
Who chose this ridiculous judge
if this creep is not found guilty, it would be devastating for the credibility of south african justice system
if he is guilty, why is he putting himself through hell....I cant believe a man like that would continue to lie......I would rather come clean...then be questioned by that man
i think he's not guilty - he thought it was an intruder...
because it's South Africa! he felt himself as a rich man? he had a lot of fear about his "richness" someone can stole something of him?? that makes him very vulnerable!! he had of lot of fear about things in his house and - that's clear - he would protect Reeva.
***** yes - i agree with you! he must be paranoid - but!! is this a reason to put him for 25 years in jail?? i think it's not!
it's so hard for him to know he kill his beloved girlfriend!! that is enough pain for him and i'm sure he thought it was a intruder..- yes - he killed someone but - he didn't know - in this moment - what he has done..- he had to much paranoid fear! in himself.
***** yes - i think - in "this way" he is innocent, that he didn't want to kill Reeva, but he would "make sure" - that the person - behind the door - doesn't hurt himself - he would protect Reeva and he would protect himself - sure - he could have a paranoiac about he is living in south africa - terrible much bad things happened there and people been stolen from a lot - and also for that - he had too much fear!
He's good actor, he can be a Bollywood actor for sure but, the whole world is watching South African judicial system.
This judge was way out of her depth, not qualified for a trial of this magnitude!
Would someone please get a swivel chair for My Lady. I cringe when I see her perched on one cheek throughout this trial, it cannot be comfortable.
He thought it was an intruder, so why did he not leave the room or check the door of the room? This liar says, seconds after shooting is when he thought it must have been Reeva behind the toilet door.
He was so scared seconds before he shot at the door because he feared for his life, why would he not just leave and call for help there and there, as he shot at intruder(s). Remember it's intruders, which you no longer hear those noises that made you fear for your life so please tell me why any person would not just quickly get out of the house call the neighbours or police there and then. Reeva would have ran out, if there hadn't been a fight between them and everything was loving as he says.
I think Oscar is sincere. Most disagree but when you panic, you don't think nor act the way these people expect him to think and act.
I 💯 agree!
Reeva had posted shortly before this Valentine's Day: "What surprise have you women prepared for your loved ones on Valentine's Day?" One would have to ask Pistorius if he had a surprise from her or if it was precisely the surprise planned by Reeva that led him to suspect a burglar! Someone else besides me must have read her posting - unfortunately I don't know if it was on the internet or in a fashion magazine!
As quickly as he thought it was an intruder was as quickly as he thought it was Reeva after the fourth shot. The longer he would have deliberated to believing it was an intruder, the more time it would have given him and the woman he claims to have loved enough time to evacuate!!!
Oscar Pistol Mr. Nel is on to YOU!
He doesn't understand or think that someone would ever run out of the room if there is an intruder upstairs.... BUT, it makes sense for someone to hide in the same room behind a curtain?
Let's say there was an intruder in the toilet room, Why, would they attempt to come forward out of the room, through the door, knowing that a gun was being pointing at them. Wouldn't the intruder turn and exit back out of the window, away from any danger of being shot. This fact alone proves that OP. is not telling the truth. I believe the judge to have been incompetent in every way.
i totally agree with you ,especially regarding the judge .
You don’t need socks 🧦 in an emergency imho
If your version is fact Mr. Pistorius, why did your housekeeper not testify to prevent conviction of an innocent man rather than flee South Africa ASAP?
the people in the gallery with laptops and i pads, where do they get their power source from??
It' probably comes through their phone Internet. And battery charged laptops and iPads.
on low screen brightness apple devices last 10 hours easily thats why you buy apple :)
ever hear of batteries??
Thomas Fielding yes I have, but those guys are sitting there for the all sessions during the day, they sure must be plugged into a power source somewhere
Like i said MacBooks are designed to last 10 hours easily on battery that is there main design spec... you have probably never had a premium device like this, most laptops use crap batteries that barely last 5 minutes.
At no time did OP ever ascertain where Reeva was before he fired four shots into the bathroom door. Not once.
He's running around with no prosthetics on? he says he remembers Standing there feeling helpless? all this happened before he put his prosthetic limbs on, he says he put them on after he called for help out the balcony.
Good catch!
He says he fired because he got a fright, but once said that; "before I knew, I had four shots through the door" seems like OP has multiple defences 🤔🤔🤔
If he was so concerned about finding Reeva, why didn't he FIND her when he heard the 'noise' in the bathroom.
is he crying all the time or is that just his voice? will he go to prison if found guilty ..or does his condition with his legs make things different...most people would
crack up by now.
I'm crackin up at this whole trial it's a joke I dunno how, and why this ever went to trial for Murder 1 mmmmmmm
He seems very un-prepared, what did he do the whole year with his lawyers???
I heard from some Pistorius family source in press that he didn't want to talk about the night much with either family or his lawyers.
Anyone know how many bullets are in the magazine he used and how many left ?
Good question I was wondering the same Nick. The fact that he only knew how many shots he had fired at the toilet door was by what evidence was presented to him, rather than by his own recollection, initiated that thought with me. That coupled with the hole in the bedroom door, which has not yet been discussed. Neither has the pair of jeans that was pictured on the patio. I think there may well be much more to come from Nel yet.
He used four. That's pretty much all that's relevant, isn't it?
he kept shooting...so i think he only had 4 in the gun...if he had more he would have kept shooting.....i think 6 or 8
He used a Glock 27 which holds nine bullets in the magazine. The gun itself can only hold one bullet at a time. This gun is designed with a safety. The safety must be released before a bullet releases. He fired four shots and five remained in the magazine. He used Black Talens bullets which are designed to spin and explode in a claw-like fashion (hence the word talens - a bird claw) once it has entered its target. Of note also, this weapon requires a 5-7 lb. pull on the trigger to release a bullet. This boy knew what he was doing. This girl died an excruciatingly painful death.
Thank you everyone and especially J Cavanagh
This detail is up to forensics to decide and the judge isn't listening to a word Oscar is saying.
The looks on the faces of the Pistorius family today say quite a lot. They look like they know Oscar is guilty and they want out of this nightmare scene...
I've been in the family's situation before & it sucks, for everyone involved ;(
In 1996 my big brother, Jamie Stafford, was shot & killed by his "best friend" during an argument over a girl they both cared for.
The defense was self defense, even tho my brother was unarmed at the time b/c the killer had HIS gun. (My brother was shot with his own gun.)
Just because Jamie could fight well & defend himself, his "friend" told the court he felt his life was in danger.
Jamie never seriously hurt anyone during a fight in his entire life & he didn't have a short temper.
I struggled with & still struggle with the fact that his "friend" felt so threatened by Jamie's bare hands that he felt he had to find the gun & use it! & the fact that the legal system justified it!
The outcome was not guilty on murder 1 & guilty of the lesser manslaughter charge. He only spent 3 months behind bars for shooting Jamie 3 times, point blank in the chest.
I grew up without my big brother ;( 15years later, it still hurts.
I feel so badly for her family. I broke down into tears thinking of how they must of felt during the autopsy testimony. Having to hear all those awful details ;(
My thoughts & prayers are with them.
This trail has been difficult for me to watch, so i can only imagine how the family must be feeling.
I just wanna go back in time and check this night out for myself mmmmmmmmmm >_
Possible scenario : Reeva&Oscar left the coffee shop. Oscar followed Reeva close behind unbeknown to Reeva. She picks up present. Visits herX. Then goes to Oscar's home. He arrived shortly after. He probably had a long face. So the evening may not have started off well. She ties to get him to talk. He being evasive not wanting to say he was spying on her. He said that he helped her go over her contract.
He may have not agreed to all the commitments she would have away from him. Maybe she said he was silly. He then brings up all sorts greviences against him. A quarrel begins she wants to leave. Oscar rethinks and convinces her to stay they will sleep on it.
He wakes through night or not slept at all, brewing with rage at why Reeva had not mentioned her visit to her X. She wakes up and queries him,he goes into a rade and tells her he followed her . She is insensed about his mistrust, a full blown argument behinds. Oscar shuts the balcony doors draws blinds.
Reeva had enough ,wants to leave. Puts on jeans. Heads to locked bedroom doors. Tries to remove cricket bat from under handle which keeps the door tight against the damaged door jamm. She removed cricket bat,Oscar takes it from her, she noe is spewing angry to, she may be threatening him with exposure.
In a blind rage he whacks her against the head. She stumbles, he drags her over to the bed.(blood on bat, bed had,wall?). He pulls her jeans off, and she may of escaped to the toilet. He chased her he heard the door slam.
He begins wacking the door. She screams trying to keep the door shut, screaming his a lunatic. This makes him lose total reason.Says. 'I'll showe yuu hoe Cryzee I em' he goes get gun and the rest is history,
We are all supposed to believe he did all of this in the complete darkness?
So, he could barely see but is perfectly rushing around ....
The Lifetime movie should be good when it comes out!
If i see that judge coming down the road i will run away as far and fast as i could
Prosecutor is unprofessional , very aggressive and drag on useless questions too long , everybody in curt look tired ! He should be more efficient doing his job !!!
It's very sad but he killed her in a rage
On Valentine's day!
This is a open shut case he's as guilty as sin nothing he says makes no sense