Rockshox MEGNEG on a Santa Cruz Hightower V2 Install & Review
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- Опубліковано 15 жов 2024
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Not sure if I'm wrapping my head around the megneg right. I had it installed with one positive token and one band on the neg air chamber as baseline. Had to add 50psi over stock air can to achieve 30% sag. Felt good. Then I added an additional band to the neg chamber + another 10 psi to achieve same sag. Thought the second band would make more plush but the added air pressure made it more supportive across the curve while being more linear.
Edit: NVM I think I had my original baseline numbers wrong. Went zero bands today and had to go 10 psi above when I had 2 bands for sag. Was more chattery. Earned a couple PR's on Strava DH, but broke traction and almost ate 💩a couple times. So I'll be going back to 1 band and if I have to, run pressure a tad softer. That seems to be the sweet spot for my setup.
I put a meg neg to my nomad v4. Using 4 bands and none volume reducers. Somewhere arrond 32%-35 sag. It is like you describe. I had to make a couple of test rides and play with the bands and air preasure.
Now it feels really good. Not this harsh at the beginning, more support in the mid stroke and better buttoming out resistance.
The weird thing is that you have more sag but you don't fall into the travel when you push or when you land.
The bike is low af when I sit on it. I need to go from low to high setting and extend the fork to 180mm. I'll also take the spacer out of the shock to gain 65mm stroke instead of 60mm.
This is the plan.
Great videos! Have you run the MegNeg and Cascade link at the same time? Do you prefer one over the other for performance on the HT? Thanks! 🙂
Thanks! I ran both together, but that’s been almost 3 years ago now 😬. I still stand behind the MeNeg making the old Super Deluxe what it should have been, while the Cascade link makes the V2 Hightower what it should have been. Hope this helps
@@DrJMTB That is a helpful perspective. Thanks for the response!
What made more of a difference this or the link?
Does this take the place of a 50 hr service? Or would all I need to do extra is clean that spring that you had mentioned early into the install?
How do I know what model of Megneg I should use? For example, 185/210 mm x 47.5 - 55 mm or 205/230 mm x 57.5 - 65 mm or ...? I also ride a Hightower V2
Same question here
Question for you Dr J, I’ve used up all the seals that came with the megneg kit. Is the Rockshox deluxe/super deluxe 50hr kit okay to use to service the megneg?
I don't think the normal 50 hr kit would have the largest ring for the outside of the MegNeg can.
Is it norman for the stanchions to turn when you’re unscrewing/screwing in the can?
So what's the outcome and settings you like. I have both the megneg and cascade rear link.. But was thinking about pulling off the megneg and going stock aircan?
I have the Cascade and just bought the Negmeg, why are you considering going back to a stock can?
@@vjculture can't get full travel. I'm a smaller rider. Might put it back but with 4 bands if I don't like the stock aircan. Even with 4 bands it give 164 percent negative vs the stock cans 100.
Still rolling the MegNeg with 3 positive tokens and 3 negative bands. Its still on my radar to try it with only 2 positive tokens. And I wouldn't get too caught up in using full travel every ride unless you're really sending it. Just run what feels the best and seems to perform best.
@@DrJMTB cool. I'm just finding that its much better on chunky roots rocks. Probably not as surportive though in the mid stroke. Plus I'm not a fast aggressive rider. Might put the negmeg back one day. 🙂
Hey Dr J, what set up did you settle on with the Megneg & Cascade Link? Was it 3 Neg Bands & 2 Pos Tokens
That’s been a hot minute for me, but I do remember experimenting back and forth with 3 and 4 negative bands and 1 and 2 positive tokens. This should be a good starting point if your weight and riding style is similar anyway
@@DrJMTB Sweet thanks mate. After a million configs and a shock pump arm like Pete Sampras serve arm... I've found the sweet spot at 3 Neg Bands, 0 Pos token @275 psi with CC Link-88kg. See how it goes with BO over time and potentially add 1-2 tokens to the Pos.
Next ride will have 170mm Zeb (previously Fox 36-160mm) until Fox 36 170mm air shaft arrives. Then I'll put the 36 G2 back in as the 36 is 5mm lower than the Zeb at 170mm. That'll hopefully bring the head angle back closer to min of 63.5, currently at 63.2 with the Zeb, BB at 340mm. Thanks for your input! I'll let you know how it goes after I've been able to run it consistent over some gnarly shit.
Im 220lbs ,and still playing with the megneg. So far i got it ok at the beginning and mid travel. But I can’t get full travel and feels hard at 3/4 travel ... running 0 tokens at positve and 2 at megneg...... in ur experience with HT2 any ideas how to accomplish enough travel
Try running all 4 negative bands to decrease the effect. OR, throw in a positive token or 2 and decrease your pressure by 10-15 psi.
Great video! I need one of these for my new commencal clash which is waaaay too linear for my liking
Super helpful video. Thanks man!
With one did you get for your HT2 there are 3 size 205/230 x 57.5-65mm
185/210 x 47.5-55mm
225/250 x67.5-75mm
Look at your shock and it says how many mm your stroke is at the very end of the damper. The HT V2 is 52.5mm so you need the 47-55mm model.
Hi. What size MegNeg fits the HT2?
Did you consider swapping for a fox suspension? I was told fox has better control for psi compared to rock shox.
It's just a relatively expensive swap when you consider how expensive the frame was in the first place. I've learned to love the Super Deluxe shock less and less though, as its seemed to develop a rather bad knock/rattle.
@@DrJMTB I just ordered a fox float x. Do you think I’ll like that more than the rockshox? Will a float x compliment the linear Hightower?
So I'm pretty late to the party but I've just installed a megneg on my hightower v2 and it feels a bit bobby in the initial stroke. Over baby head sized rocks it'll soak it up first and then bob a few times. Does this sound typical? I'm woried I messed up the damping side of things and want to know if it's the megneg or the damper. Right now I think there's two volume reducers in the positive and two bands in the negative. What happened was I misunderstood what the bleed screw was for as I was taking the bearings off the end of the shock and let a drop or two of damping oil out, I have no idea if this would be enough to have a noticable effect.
You go over on the pressure a bit and need to increase rebound control
So what is your outcome and what is your riding weight?
Outcome = I still ended up getting the Cascade Components aftermarket lower link but I'm running 3 negative bands with 3 positive tokens. Riding weight = 155ish.
Would this product be more for heavy riders in terms of weight ?
Not necessarily. Significantly heavier riders that have to put a lot of air volume in at baseline, will have trouble not exceeding the max PSI with MegNeg as you have to significantly increase the air volume with it. You have to put ~20-25% more air volume in, so check your shocks max PSI and what pressure you're running now, and see if you'd stay under the max PSI.
Hi can you give me the precise setup of you shock? So how many bottomless token how manu spacers in megneg and with pressure do you run? Thanks!
You really need to do your own back to back testing as these settings will vary greatly based on rider weight, preference, and riding style and trails. I'd recommend starting with 2 bands in the negative chamber and keep your positive tokens the same. If the shock is too stiff feeling, add another negative band. Don't be afraid to experiment with extremes and be willing to do several configurations. Prior to installing the Cascade Components lower link on my Hightower, I was running 3 negative bands and 3 positive tokens at around 195 psi.
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So if we all aim for a small bump sensitivity then why would I prefer to add som bands to the negative chamber?
Because small bump sensitivity is only 1 variable. We all should be aiming to find the balance between small bump sensitivity and support/progression. MegNeg with bands in the negative chamber still equates to increased negative volume over the stock setup, just not as strong of an effect.
@@DrJMTB but if the negative chamber only affects off the top and mid stroke then how would it affect the end stroke if you run it without bands?
@@eden4x4 The negative air chamber also helps you resist bottom out. In the initial part of the travel it has a pushing affect to help the spring initiate into the travel. At the end of the stroke it is similar to pulling a stopper off from the window; it will resist bottom out by having a pulling effect on the air spring. Increasing the negative air chamber makes the travel less linear. Thus, no bands can make the shock feel harsh.
@@DrJMTB good to know as I'm getting my Megneg in 3 weeks. Thanks.
Give the cascade components hightower link a try u might get as close as possible to perfection
Oh u said it at the end of the video lol nvm but yeah i have it give a try its great
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I had the same problem with my RS Deluxe setup bottoming out with 2 tokens and loosing small bump sensitivity with 3 tokens. Just take all the tokens out and replace them with 1 gnar dog token to achieve 2.5 tokens 👌🏻
does this work on RockShox Super Deluxe Select ?
Yes it should. The air can would be the same on the Select and the Ultimate. It's the internals that are different.
Brilliant video. Thank you, excuse the pun, but meg helpful!
Would this work on a yt capra 2019?
If it has a Rockshox super deluxe, then yes
@@DrJMTB they say that to much negative pressure wouldn't work on a progressive suspension. Wondering if there are anyone trying it out or what their experience on it
Cascade Components lower link install and review: ua-cam.com/video/doQqcTL8DLk/v-deo.html
Can you combine a MegNeg with the Cascade Link for the HT V2?
TBH the bottoming out comes from poor trail building with flat landings. I come form BMX and all the MTB stuff is way to flat. If you have a nice steep landing you reduce forces massiveley and wont bottom out.
its not "poor", its just different.
Bottoming out can occur also in rough terrain. Not necessarily by harsh landings
маслом кашу не испортишь))
a cheaper and healthier option is to get in the gym and use your legs on those drops =)
If only I had known this, I could have saved all of that $.
@@DrJMTB and you could have started a fitness channel!!!!
What a nonsense...! You can have the strongest legs in the gym but your bike still doesn't perform well on the trail because it doesn't have enough bottom out resistance. Then how would your strong legs tame your suspension's bad performance??? Also, when your suspension performs bad your body is also too tense and doesn't perform as well as it would with a good suspension set up. This also hurts the ability to ride fast.
@@eden4x4 my guy, strength isn't the only reason to hit the gym. mobility/flexibility is a huge part. will play a huge factor in dropping the hips on those hucks. also, he's riding a rockshox super deluxe. a very very good rear shock. i guarantee a super deluxe will not slow down the rider. it is the rider's fault. again, my point still stands. a cheaper and healthier option is to get in the gym.
Wer baut sich an einem schon progressiven Hinterbau nochmal ein progressives Tuning ein? So ein Schwachsinn echt. Man kann's auch übertreiben.
I’m going to need a translation here
@@DrJMTB WHO tune a progressive Bike With a progressive Tuning ....? Only a dumbass would doo this.... Thats what He Said
@@okulaja1 Ah thank you. He must be a really nice guy who doesn't like to push his bike very hard 😎.