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  • @gnikola2013
    @gnikola2013 7 років тому +2624

    This is the vilest limit I've ever seen and if I ever become a calculus teacher I'll definitely put it in one of the exams

    • @jewlez8915
      @jewlez8915 7 років тому +195

      Kiritsu u evil beast

    • @UltraLuigi2401
      @UltraLuigi2401 7 років тому +206

      Just make it the exam. Or the extra credit that gives you a huge boost.

    • @giannispolychronopoulos2680
      @giannispolychronopoulos2680 7 років тому +95

      While I have to admit it was quite tiring and time consuming, methodology wise, it was pretty simple. Not even comparable to some monster like lim( n!/n^n)^(1/n) with n approaching infinity. That’s by far the most difficult one I have ever seen

    • @karinano1stan
      @karinano1stan 6 років тому +30

      @@giannispolychronopoulos2680 yea that one is definition of hard question-simple answer.

    • @redaabakhti768
      @redaabakhti768 5 років тому +5

      not good not good we need more proofs related questions

  • @mbossaful
    @mbossaful 7 років тому +1451

    To be honest, if I got that in an exam, about half-way through working it out I'd assume that I'd done something wrong and just give up and move on to the next question.

    • @tcocaine
      @tcocaine 7 років тому +100

      I mean the exam would have to be just that question because you're using every rule in it anyway haha

    • @landochabod7
      @landochabod7 6 років тому +34

      Ben McKenzie This solution is unnecessary complicated, with all the fraction multiplying.
      Just collect x, do a MacLaurin expansion of the square roots, stopping at the first term after the 1 in order not to get 1^inf. It's going to be:
      lim (1 + a/x)^x = e^a, with a = -1/2,
      which you should know, or if you don't, you can easily find with De l'Hopital.

    • @KnakuanaRka
      @KnakuanaRka 6 років тому +40

      landochabod7 I have no idea what you’re talking about, and this is from somebody who understands everything bprp’s talking about!

    • @okaro6595
      @okaro6595 5 років тому

      I thought the same.

    • @dekippiesip
      @dekippiesip 5 років тому +5

      @@tcocaine it would be best to give this as a homework exercise.

  • @RoderickEtheria
    @RoderickEtheria 2 роки тому +257

    The teachers I have had in the past would hate that answer. They'd want to get the square roots out of the denominator, and have (square root e)/e instead.

    • @ianmi4i727
      @ianmi4i727 2 роки тому +26

      Perhaps. In Calculus, it's customary to leave the result unrationalized.

    • @mmmtastyalidzie2435
      @mmmtastyalidzie2435 2 роки тому +30

      after doing a question like that i wouldnt give a damn about rationalising the fraction lol

    • @Nonexistility
      @Nonexistility 2 роки тому +2

      You mean e^1/2 ?

    • @sirjain4408
      @sirjain4408 2 роки тому

      @@Nonexistility They just rationalized it

    • @JayTemple
      @JayTemple 2 роки тому +11

      That's the difference between an algebra teacher and a calculus teacher.

  • @PopKa16
    @PopKa16 7 років тому +153

    imagine you want to show this in a perfect formal way. I think the video would go over 1 hour. But a real good problem in which you can check if you really confident in limits.

    • @blackpenredpen
      @blackpenredpen  7 років тому +26

      namensindüberbewertet yea I know. That's why I just circled circled loll

    • @pullingrabbitsouttaahat
      @pullingrabbitsouttaahat 4 роки тому +1

      This is an example of the Abuse of Lopital's Rule not the use of it. Watch This Video fo learn More About the abuse of Lopital's Rule : ​ua-cam.com/video/3vAvpeqJkEs/v-deo.html​

    • @JakubS
      @JakubS 3 роки тому +8

      @@pullingrabbitsouttaahat I would see it but you spelled l'Hôpital wrong

    • @pullingrabbitsouttaahat
      @pullingrabbitsouttaahat 3 роки тому

      @@JakubS Thanks For Pointing Out. But I Don't Care Much Useless Things.

  • @bombardier6033
    @bombardier6033 4 роки тому +102

    As soon as I saw it, I knew it would lead to 1^infinity
    What I was not ready for was the bit after. I love your videos and they've genuinely helped me.

    • @pullingrabbitsouttaahat
      @pullingrabbitsouttaahat 4 роки тому +2

      This is an example of the Abuse of Lopital's Rule not the use of it. Watch This Video fo learn More About the abuse of Lopital's Rule : ​ua-cam.com/video/3vAvpeqJkEs/v-deo.html​

    • @playmaker5605
      @playmaker5605 Рік тому

      @@pullingrabbitsouttaahat this link is probably an add to his content that seems controversial, probably not something to waste time one except if you wanna laugh.

  • @JohnDixon
    @JohnDixon 7 років тому +653

    If you look up the word "tedious" in the dictionary, you will almost certainly find a picture of this limit problem.

    • @blackpenredpen
      @blackpenredpen  7 років тому +96

      John Dixon
      If you search calc2 final exam, then... :)

    • @skilz8098
      @skilz8098 4 роки тому +18

      This is an easy one. Next up, find the limit of the needed angles to perform 3 consecutive orthographic rotations in Polar Coordinates using Quaternions while mapping it to a 3D Complex Cartesian plane where those rotations do not change its original orientation!

    • @skilz8098
      @skilz8098 4 роки тому +9

      @@kausarmeutuwah8304 Haha! I was being a bit sarcastic! That type of problem with all of the multivariable unknowns and many partial derivatives and multiple integrations would be insane! It would probably take 3-5 whiteboards and about 30 pens and about 15 hours to do it by hand! Let's just open up Wolfram or Mathlab... let it do it for us! Get the response, can not compute!

    • @luismariabiaggioni8514
      @luismariabiaggioni8514 4 роки тому +1

      Heavyyyyyy!!!!

    • @luismariabiaggioni8514
      @luismariabiaggioni8514 4 роки тому +1

      Heavyyyyyy!!!!

  • @wristdisabledwriter2893
    @wristdisabledwriter2893 7 років тому +249

    Bursts out laughing when you said pray your calculus 2 teacher doesn’t see this. Thank goodness I already finished calc 2

    • @blackpenredpen
      @blackpenredpen  7 років тому +38

      nadia salem
      (I am actually a calc2 teacher loll)

    • @wristdisabledwriter2893
      @wristdisabledwriter2893 7 років тому +9

      blackpenredpen I just hope you don’t give this one on the finale unless it’s the only question

    • @zombiedude347
      @zombiedude347 4 роки тому +2

      It's been 6 years since I took calc 2, although my teachers covered this type of limit in calc 1.

  • @anastasiskanidis1925
    @anastasiskanidis1925 2 роки тому +8

    This is honestly the best limit I have ever seen, it has literally everything a student needs to be able to calculate limits (when x goes to infinity). Absolutely amazing.

  • @adamkangoroo8475
    @adamkangoroo8475 7 років тому +669

    Square root of e... That's when you know you broke mathematics.

    • @seroujghazarian6343
      @seroujghazarian6343 5 років тому +75

      Or when you find out that a subset has more elements than the original set

    • @skilz8098
      @skilz8098 4 роки тому +18

      @@seroujghazarian6343 That's not hard to do. How many integers are there in the set of values in this inclusive range of [0,1]? Simply 2. Now, how many reals are there in that same inclusive range? Infinite!

    • @seroujghazarian6343
      @seroujghazarian6343 4 роки тому +6

      @@skilz8098 Yeah, but considering ]0,1[ has as many elements as R (cot(πx) being the bijection between them)...

    • @skilz8098
      @skilz8098 4 роки тому +24

      @@seroujghazarian6343 Nice!
      I like my conjecture...
      Every single concept of mathematics, all branches, and levels are all embedded in the simple expression (1+1) ...
      Everything is derived or integrated from it. Just the act of adding 1 to itself, the application of applying the operation of addition which is a linear transformation, translation to be exact defines the unit circle. There is perfect symmetry, reflection, and a 180 degree or PI radians rotation embedded within it.
      It isn't directly obvious at first, but take a piece of paper and mark a point on it and draw a line segment of an arbitrary distance towards your right. Now label the starting point 0 and the ending point 1. To add 1 to this line segment or unit vector is to take the total length or its magnitude and translate it along the same line in the same direction. The tail of the new vector will be at the head of the original and the head of the new vector will be pointing at 2.
      By doing this the total distance is from the initial point of 0 to the new location will be 2. This turns the expression of (1+1) into the equation (1+1) = 2. This equation is actually the definition of both the Pythagorean Theorem and the Equation of the Unit Circle that is positioned at the origin (0,0).
      You see, we went to the right from the starting point and labeled that 1. We could of went to the left and labeled it 1 as well. However, they are opposing directions, and vectors have two parts, magnitude its length, and its sign or direction or angle of rotation. So, we can label the point to the left with -1.
      Here the starting point of 0 is the point of reflection, point of symmetry and the point of rotation. If we rotate the point 1 to the point -1 with respect to the initial point 0, you will make an arc that is PI radians which also takes you from 1D space into 2D space. Now we have the Y coordinates as well.
      This is simply due to 1+1 = 2 which is also 1x2 = 2. And this is evident because we know that a circle with a radius of one has a diameter of 2, its Circumference is 2*PI and its Area is PI units^2.
      We know that the Pythagorean Theorem is C^2 = A^2 + B^2. We also know that the equation of a circle centered at the origin is r^2 = x^2 + y^2... They are the same exact equation.
      When we look at the general equation of a line in the form of y = mx+b we know that m is the slope between two points and b is the y-intercept. The slope is m = (y2 - y1)/(x2-x1).
      We can let m = 1, and b = 0 and this gives us y = x. A diagonal line that goes through the origin. This line has an angle of 45 degrees or PI/4 radians above the X-axis.
      We know by definition that the slope is rise/run. We also see that it is (y2-y1)/(x2-x1) which is also dy/dx, change in y over change in x. If we look closer we can see that dy/dx is also sin(t)/cos(t) where (t) is the angle above the x-axis. This is also tan(t).
      When you look at the original equation of the line y = mx+b we can see this as f(x) = tan(t)x + b. This all comes from 1+1 = 2!
      Every polynomial, every geometrical shape, including vectors and matrices, their operations, even concepts in calculus such as derivatives and integrals are rooted in (1+1)!
      I just love how everything within mathematics is all connected and related! I'm sure you know all of these concepts but was just wanting to illustrate all of their interconnections.
      Yes, I take a Physical approach to mathematical induction! Why? Because without physics, or the ability to move, or translate, then the operation of addition would have no application or meaning! You can not even add 1 to itself in a scalar manner without treating them first as vector quantities. The number 1 itself is the unit vector, and the unit vector is the number 1 itself. You need physics, motion to perform the operation of addition! And as soon as you have motion, you have, limits, derivatives, and integrals!

    • @raghavagarwal3468
      @raghavagarwal3468 4 роки тому +2

      skilz8098 very well written!

  • @azmath2059
    @azmath2059 7 років тому +45

    This is truly great maths to watch, and one hell of a limit problem. Thanks for posting.

    • @NazriB
      @NazriB 2 роки тому

      Lies again? DMP Triple

  • @SN-of5tu
    @SN-of5tu 2 роки тому +20

    I just failed my calculus test, and after having watched so many videos on youtube on how to solve indeterminates, the algorithm has recommended me this.
    Never before have I been so happy to never have stumbled upon this equation. I'm pretty sure that it would have broken me if it had appeared in the test. Now I have newfound respect towards normal indeterminates. This right here is the eldritch equivalent of indeterminates. It makes me shudder to think how you even stumbled upon it.

  • @alanturingtesla
    @alanturingtesla 7 років тому +59

    I am really happy to see 20 minutes video. Yay indeed! Thanks!

    • @blackpenredpen
      @blackpenredpen  7 років тому +11

      Crazy Drummer I am very glad too. Thank you!!!

  • @Joshinthetronk
    @Joshinthetronk Рік тому +8

    I just finished my calc I final exam and I gotta say I’m pretty excited for calc II. Thank you for such a great rigorous video to end my night :D

    • @kono152
      @kono152 Рік тому +1

      congrats on finishing calc 1

  • @dugong369
    @dugong369 3 роки тому +4

    By doing a little more algebra on the first limit calculation (that resulted in 1) you get 2x/(2x+1) (which is 1 - 1/(2x+1) ). So the original limit is (2x/(2x+1))^x. By substituting m=2x+1, this results in (1-1/m)^(m/2 - 1/2). Using lim as n->inf (1+a/n)^bn = e^ab, the limit is e^(-1/2).

    • @yoyoezzijr
      @yoyoezzijr 2 роки тому

      This is the best answer

  • @thibaultfelicite9641
    @thibaultfelicite9641 6 років тому +67

    The evil Laugh at 17:18 x)

  • @purushotamgarg8453
    @purushotamgarg8453 6 років тому +9

    What a patient guy...
    I usually edit a step to change it into the next step and this way I save a lot of ink and space. But he is so hard working. Hats Off..

  • @c.j.3184
    @c.j.3184 4 роки тому +1

    Not sure if this makes it any simpler but since you have f(x)^x as a limit, maybe you could use the limit that defines e^x? Or in this case, e^k? Like so...
    [sqrt(x^2 + 2x + 3) - sqrt(x^2 + 3)]^x = [1 + k/x]^x
    solving for k gives
    k = x*[sqrt(x^2 + 2x + 3) - sqrt(x^2 + 3) - 1]
    but [1 + k/x]^x is just e^k in the limit
    you still have to work out that x*[sqrt(x^2 + 2x + 3) - sqrt(x^2 + 3) - 1] is equal to -1/2 in the limit

  • @valentindo
    @valentindo 4 роки тому +5

    If we substitute x with 1/y , y approaching 0 in the positive area we can jump a lot of algebric steps.

  • @AndDiracisHisProphet
    @AndDiracisHisProphet 7 років тому +145

    that was süper brütal
    also, as a christmas gift almost as good as socks.

    • @blackpenredpen
      @blackpenredpen  7 років тому +10

      AndDiracisHisProphet hahahahahah. I like those dots on the u

    • @AndDiracisHisProphet
      @AndDiracisHisProphet 7 років тому +11

      that's the second time derivative.

    • @voltairesarmy6702
      @voltairesarmy6702 7 років тому

      Wats wrong with socks? I could use a few pairs. :)

    • @AndDiracisHisProphet
      @AndDiracisHisProphet 7 років тому +1

      It's like gifting your girlfriend with a vacuum cleaner or an iron

    • @pullingrabbitsouttaahat
      @pullingrabbitsouttaahat 4 роки тому

      This is an example of the Abuse of Lopital's Rule not the use of it. Watch This Video fo learn More About the abuse of Lopital's Rule : ​ua-cam.com/video/3vAvpeqJkEs/v-deo.html​

  • @BrutalBeast666
    @BrutalBeast666 3 роки тому +5

    I saw this video on my recommended today and even though it is late I just had to comment on what I found.
    Changing the constants by 1 multiplies the solution by a factor of 1/√e
    As in lim(x->inf) of (√x²+2x+4-√x²+3)^x = 1 and lim(x->inf) of (√x²+2x+2-√x²+3)^x = 1/e
    The other constant also works similarly lim(x->inf) of (√x²+2x+3-√x²+2)^x = 1 and lim(x->inf) of (√x²+2x+3-√x²+4)^x = 1/e
    Basically the solution comes out as lim(x->inf) of (√x²+2x+a-√x²+b)^x = e^[½(a-b-1)]
    I would never have guessed that just by looking at the equation.

  • @JBaker452
    @JBaker452 7 років тому +8

    This idea of ignoring lower order terms reminds me of something we call O-notation in rough algorithmic time and memory measurement calculations.

    • @Latronibus
      @Latronibus 3 роки тому

      You can do this problem with a Taylor approach, which ends up being formally written with oh notation (you need your error in the brackets to be o(1/x) to get the right final answer).

  • @kira-ph5eh
    @kira-ph5eh 4 роки тому +3

    In India , we have a easy formula for limits in the form 1^Infinity.
    It is lim x->a f(x) ^g(x) and f(a)=1 and g(a) =Infinity
    = e^{lim x->a g(x) * ( 1 - f(x) )}

  • @itamarrosen7911
    @itamarrosen7911 7 років тому +27

    Yo i checked in the calculator and the limit is true!!

    • @blackpenredpen
      @blackpenredpen  7 років тому +7

      Itamar Rosen thanks!!!!!!

    • @badhbhchadh
      @badhbhchadh 5 років тому

      Damn, do you have a TI-89?

    • @inx1819
      @inx1819 4 роки тому

      @@badhbhchadh most likely he didn't use a ti89, i typed it in like 2 minutes ago and it's still calculating LMAO
      wolfram alpha gives it in 2 seconds tho

    • @mathevengers1131
      @mathevengers1131 3 роки тому

      It means that you don't trust him.

  • @hipepleful
    @hipepleful 2 роки тому +12

    This gave me the idea of an inverse limit. I can't really come up with a way for it to be used consistently. "Lim^-1 as x -> oo of 2" would be the notation. Maybe, instead of a constant, it would help do a function inside a function?

    • @PixelSergey
      @PixelSergey 2 роки тому

      Do you mean "find a function that approaches this limit as x->inf"?

    • @hipepleful
      @hipepleful 2 роки тому

      @@PixelSergey I'm not really sure.

    • @createyourownfuture3840
      @createyourownfuture3840 2 роки тому

      I had that idea too, but then it quickly dawned upon me that the idea of an inverse limit is impossible. This is why:-
      1) lim (2x/x)
      x->oo
      2) lim (x²/x)
      x-> 2
      3) lim (x)
      x->2
      All lead to the same result, but there's no way that we can list all possible limits which lead to 2. You will say, we cannot list all the answers of ln(-1), but that's different. There's at least a system by which we can do this. We only have to keep changing the number of rotations. This case is exactly the result of 'there are different types of infinities'. You can say that ln(-1) has countably infinite answers, while the idea of inverse limit has uncountably many answers.

    • @hipepleful
      @hipepleful 2 роки тому

      @@createyourownfuture3840 is it different to log1(x)? I do admit the inverse is realistically useless. My guess is if it DID have a use, it would more likely for organization (ie. Making sure that you have to raise your "answer" to e in order to fully answer the question. Maybe something with catagorization theory (I heard it's a thing, and I have no clue what it's about minus the obvious)?

  • @perpetuarealityVODs
    @perpetuarealityVODs 7 років тому +7

    Yo Dawg, I heard you like indeterminate forms, so I put an indeterminate form on your indeterminate form so you can calculate limits while you calculate limits!

  • @tusharkaushalrajput
    @tusharkaushalrajput 4 роки тому +4

    Maths will be interesting if you are my teacher. I remembered that today is teachers day.
    Happy teachers day

  • @LudwigvanBeethoven2
    @LudwigvanBeethoven2 4 роки тому +16

    This is those questions that you skip without even looking at it

  • @maxhaibara8828
    @maxhaibara8828 7 років тому +50

    I'm glad that you're not a lecturer in my univ, or else the exam will be hellish haha

    • @jeim376
      @jeim376 4 роки тому

      Max Haibara tbh I think this problem would be fun but it would take me hours at least

  • @digbycrankshaft7572
    @digbycrankshaft7572 2 роки тому +2

    A great feat of perseverance using various interesting techniques. Awesome 👌

  • @altrogeruvah
    @altrogeruvah 7 років тому +5

    I've watched so many blackpenredpen videos enough to start understanding what it is I'm watching, I am so happy ~

  • @MateusTinoco123
    @MateusTinoco123 7 років тому

    I think I have a challenge for you...
    It's a question that was on the test for calculus monitor of my college, here in Brazil. It goes like this:
    -Calculate: limit when n -> Infinite of ( 1/((√n).(√(n+1))) + 1/((√n).(√(n+2))) + 1/((√n).(√(n+3))) + ... + 1/((√n).(√(n+n))) ).
    It might be a challenge, or not! It would be really nice to see you solving it in video, if possible!
    Thanks for all your videos, they are very funny and inspiring!

  • @KwongBaby
    @KwongBaby 7 років тому +4

    I watch it all
    amazing and very complicated differentiation work
    thank you

  • @mohan153doshi
    @mohan153doshi Рік тому +1

    I don't mind answering this question in my final exam but only if you are my calculus teacher, for I would then surely know that my efforts would be truly appreciated. Of course no other calculus teacher would even dream of such a vile limit, let alone put it on a final exam paper. Great explanation, great problem and as usual - that's it.

  • @ununeniy5843
    @ununeniy5843 4 роки тому +2

    lim x->infinity (1+1/x)^x->e; after we have 1^(infinity)=e

  • @____________Samuel___________7
    @____________Samuel___________7 2 роки тому

    Next 1+1 = log 5 (69)/ln 2 e^x dx - lim 3->x^2

  • @Danymok
    @Danymok 4 роки тому

    =1

  • @zaidsalameh1
    @zaidsalameh1 7 років тому +31

    Rationalizing denominator for the final Answer?

  • @phythematics2188
    @phythematics2188 4 роки тому

    lim (sqrt ax^2+bx+c-sqrt ax^2+c=e^-(b/4sqrt of a)

  • @Stepbrohelp
    @Stepbrohelp 7 років тому +12

    I just want to know who drew the house that you can faintly see on the left side of the whiteboard

  • @swarupjyotibiswas2940
    @swarupjyotibiswas2940 3 роки тому

    This 22 mins was the best part of my day...

  • @XBGamerX20
    @XBGamerX20 2 роки тому

    here's a simple explanation from a 10th grader: (personal opinion - theory)
    * infinity is not a number, therefore something unknown, probably an unknown set with unknown value. it's a value that's above every number. therefore:
    1. subtracting infinity from infinity equals infinity and not 0 again, due to the fact that its value is unknown. upon raising it to the power of infinity, we would again get infinity.
    2.another theory is that subtracting infinity from infinity may equal an infinity smaller than those 2. and that smaller infinity can eventually get into a really big one if we raise it the power of infinity. (ok this one's a little confusing lol)
    3. finally, if infinity - infinity can equal 0, raising it to the power of infinity can somehow equal infinity again, similar with the undefined equation 0x = a (a not 0).
    4. considering that infinity may sometimes represent the set of real numbers, we can use simple algebra (which is false) to get what we know from properties:
    (infinity - infinity)^infinity = 0^infinity = 0
    5. another theory may be that again if infinity represents the real number set, we can say that we have a subtraction within all 2 real numbers raised to a power that has all the real numbers. that sounds like the 2nd one, except we have a specific number set, the real one.
    remember those are theories, nothing of them is proved so they're false in current terms of simple algebra

  • @ehess1492
    @ehess1492 4 роки тому +3

    At 5:30, when using the x^2 pieces of sqrt to cancel the 2x, how can you ignore the remaining x^1 term, that would give some factor of sqrt(inf) in the denominator, which would send the limit to zero?

    • @cmorris6875
      @cmorris6875 2 роки тому

      when solving limits where x-->inf , especially with functions that are one polynomial over another, a useful trick is to multiply both the numerator and the denominator by (1/x). keep doing this until the highest degree term is reduced to only a coefficient. then, when the limit is taken, those other terms end up being some number devided by infinity, which makes them zero. this is why he ignores all but the highest degree term; the other terms are reduced to zero.

  • @gtziavelis
    @gtziavelis 7 років тому +43

    upside-down thumbnail

  • @YaStasDavydov
    @YaStasDavydov 7 років тому +3

    I believe it would be easier to solve using t=1/x substitution and then doing McLauren series expansion at point t=0

  • @Tletna
    @Tletna 2 роки тому +3

    I liked the video, thanks! What allows us to ignore the '2x' part of the sqrt(x^2 + 2x + 3) when looking at the limits? I get ignoring the + 3's because they really don't matter, but the 2x part??? I think you were right to do it but it just would be better if we knew when it is safe to use the shortcuts you used and when it will get us in trouble.

    • @lossen1984
      @lossen1984 Рік тому

      Yea why???

    • @lunarscapes6016
      @lunarscapes6016 Рік тому +2

      @@lossen1984 Imagine x is 9999 or some really big number. 9999^2 is 9999 times bigger than 9999. So when you eventually hit infinity, the x^2 is infinitely bigger than x, so you can ignore x.

    • @lossen1984
      @lossen1984 Рік тому

      @@lunarscapes6016 wow is it that simple? Well thanks for the explanation! :))

  • @fitriazusni2655
    @fitriazusni2655 2 роки тому

    I ll have calculus I final exam next week. Thank you for the video!

  • @11cookeaw14
    @11cookeaw14 Рік тому

    I worked it out with the simple approximation (a+b)^.5 is approximately a^.5+b/(2a^.5) when a>>b.

  • @drpeyam
    @drpeyam 4 роки тому +1

    Go Bears!!!!

  • @jarmingho
    @jarmingho 7 років тому +1

    Best Xmas gift ever!

  • @Jacob-uy8ox
    @Jacob-uy8ox 6 років тому

    one of the most insane limits ever seen! a huge madness..

  • @redsalmon9966
    @redsalmon9966 7 років тому +8

    How did you come up with the original problem?

    • @blackpenredpen
      @blackpenredpen  7 років тому +11

      I had an idea of inf-inf
      So I tired it with ln( ) - ln( ) but it was kind weird so I tried with sqrt( ) - sqrt( ) and i wanted it to end up to be 1.
      Then raise that to the x power. Done
      : )

    • @redsalmon9966
      @redsalmon9966 7 років тому +6

      did you expect the answer to be that beautiful or did you plan that?

    • @pascalweisbrod6774
      @pascalweisbrod6774 7 років тому

      You're a genius.

    • @pullingrabbitsouttaahat
      @pullingrabbitsouttaahat 4 роки тому

      This is an example of the Abuse of Lopital's Rule not the use of it. Watch This Video fo learn More About the abuse of Lopital's Rule : ​ua-cam.com/video/3vAvpeqJkEs/v-deo.html​

  • @gregorio8827
    @gregorio8827 7 років тому +34

    Whats the limit of this expresion when x goes to 0? It is a 0^0 situation

    • @blackpenredpen
      @blackpenredpen  7 років тому +19

      omg.....

    • @gregorio8827
      @gregorio8827 7 років тому +28

      Omg!! I've done it.
      The answer is 1.
      I just aplied LH two times and i ended with ln(L)=0 so L is equal to 1. I take a look with geogebra and im right! I can't believe this is the first limit i've solved

    • @blackpenredpen
      @blackpenredpen  7 років тому +14

      OH WOW! that's impressive!!!

    • @gregorio8827
      @gregorio8827 7 років тому +12

      Could you take the limit when x goes to negative infinty and work with complex numbers? I think that would be pretty dificult
      (Sorry for the bad english)

    • @Sam-el4hq
      @Sam-el4hq 4 роки тому

      @@gregorio8827 I, using my s___ty math ended up with 0, read my comment to see how I got it

  • @wahyuadi35
    @wahyuadi35 7 років тому +3

    Hi. You're so nice at math, especially on calculus. Can you do another video about algorithm? I'd like to see if you can do.

  • @sloosh2188
    @sloosh2188 2 роки тому

    Sqrt(e)/e makes my calc teacher happier. Great work amazing video!

  • @spontidakisnikolas3313
    @spontidakisnikolas3313 3 роки тому

    10:40 yeah because the other part was really easy to think of

  • @copperfield42
    @copperfield42 7 років тому +19

    is a Indeterminaception XD

  • @RSLT
    @RSLT 2 роки тому +1

    Beautiful proof! Great job

  • @jwky8295
    @jwky8295 5 років тому +6

    Am I the only one that got cracked up when he said "oh, I drew the same box again" I spent 5 minutes plus laughing man

  • @harshjain3122
    @harshjain3122 4 роки тому +1

    Or could have just substituted x=1/t
    Then used binomial on those two polynomials. Finally, series expansion of ln(1-t) or standard formula of ln(1+x)/x = 1. Could have been much much easier to solve but ok

  • @razor2infinity48
    @razor2infinity48 2 роки тому

    Amazing Video! Had a fun time watching because you made it easy to follow

  • @waterdragonlucas8263
    @waterdragonlucas8263 2 роки тому +1

    As someone who is not very familiar with calculus, I feel like bprp is making up rules as he goes to make it look like he knows what he's doing (which he is)

    • @Impossiblegend
      @Impossiblegend 2 роки тому

      Watched the video twice (and know calc) everything he does is correct
      I just would have done it differently

  • @benardolivier6624
    @benardolivier6624 2 роки тому

    21:54 Amazing...

  • @chibimentor
    @chibimentor 2 роки тому

    Thanks!

  • @shezanahmmed5582
    @shezanahmmed5582 3 роки тому

    An awesome limit I've ever seen. Love it.

  • @chienhuynh6462
    @chienhuynh6462 4 роки тому

    Daychikho
    Un=n^n
    Tongs=u1+.................................... .. .............+undangtonquat

  • @arielfuxman8868
    @arielfuxman8868 4 роки тому +1

    e comes up when you do not expect it. Brilliant!

  • @HimmDawg
    @HimmDawg 7 років тому +26

    This thing looks like the raidboss of calculus, but once we know its secret, it becomes easy(er)...... it still looks terrifying :D

  • @kerrynewman1221
    @kerrynewman1221 5 років тому +1

    My Alma Mater, UC Berkeley. Love it, hate it. It's academics are great, love your lectures. Hate Berkeley's politics. I graduated deplorable. EE 1984.

  • @maxmustermann3938
    @maxmustermann3938 Рік тому

    At the step where we get 2x/2x, can we not just conclude that the bottom part is strictly larger than 2x (since we ignored some parts and the square rote is strictly monotone increasing) and thus conclude that we are approaching 1 from the bottom, and since we are strictly smaller than 1, the limit of that to X is 0?

  • @vidaroni
    @vidaroni 7 років тому

    Wow, that was really crazy! Great video!

  • @crimfan
    @crimfan 3 роки тому

    Oh... my... God. That's some seriously insane algebra. Talk about a test of knowledge of detail! Well done.

  • @ArielSasson
    @ArielSasson 5 років тому

    I don't seem to agree with something proposed in 1:06. Because he analyses both limits separately, as if they were convergent. Of course if you have 2^limx->inf {x} you get infinity, but if u have some function f(x)^x, when x->inf, you can't just say because limx->inf{f(x)}=2 then limx->inf {f(x)^x} = 2^limx->inf{x}. Because to do so, both limits must exist. My point is, may be limx->inf {f(x)^x} exists, even if limx->inf{f(x)} isn't one, or doesn't exist. Am i right?
    By the way, i love your videos, please keep teaching us.

  • @fellipeparreiras4435
    @fellipeparreiras4435 4 роки тому +8

    This is more of a hand workout than a calculus question 😂😂😂

  • @AlwinMao
    @AlwinMao 7 років тому

    Another way, if you happen to know Taylor series, (1+x)^n = 1 + n*x + (1/2) * n(n-1)x^2 + ...
    n = 0.5 for square root, so
    sqrt(x^2 + 2x + 3) = x sqrt(1 + 2/x + 3/x^2) = x (1 + 0.5 (2/x+3/x^2) - (1/8) (2/x + 3/x^2)^2 + ... )
    and sqrt(x^2 + 3) = x sqrt(1 + 3/x/x) = x (1 + 0.5 (3/x^2) - (1/8) (3/x^2)^2 + ... )
    As x -> infinity, 1/x >> 1/x^2 >> 1/x^3, so we can ignore higher terms once we have a few non-zero terms.
    Subtracting the two, term by term:
    x (1 + 0.5 (2/x+3/x^2) - (1/8) (2/x + 3/x^2)^2 + ... )
    - x (1 + 0.5 (3/x^2) - (1/8) (3/x^2)^2 + ... )
    =x (0 + 0.5(2/x) - (1/8) (4/x^2 + 12/x^3 + 9/x^4 - 9/x^4))
    =x ( 1/x - (1/2x^2) - (1/x^3 terms and smaller, which can be ignored))
    = 1 - (1/2)(1/x) - (smaller terms, which go to 0, taking x -> infinity)
    The limit is then quickly (1 - (1/2)(1/x))^x, which we know to be e^-(1/2).
    Solving it this way means thinking of a few less-tedious steps.
    1. A few terms of Taylor series, plugging into a general formula we already know
    2. Subtract the two parts to see what is left over.
    3. Make sure what is left over is not zero. Add more terms and repeat step 1 if it is zero.
    In this case, I expanded to 1/x^2, ignoring 1/x^3., and the components of the power series were (2/x + 3/x^2)^n, so I knew I needed Taylor series terms up to n = 2. If I used only n = 1, I would have missed the contribution (2/x + 3/x^2)^2 = (4/x^2 + ...). If I didn't expand to 1/x^2, I would have been left with (1)^infinity, which is indeterminate. I knew this would happen because I had something that looked like x sqrt (1 + ... ) - x sqrt (1 + ... ).
    4. Use definition of e.
    The time-consuming part is repeatedly adding more terms to the Taylor expansion. Intuition and practice will help you figure out how many terms and what order to expand to. Most of the time the answer will only require n = 1 or n = 2, requiring multiplications instead of derivatives, and usually requiring only 1/x or 1/x^2 terms.
    The point is: Taylor series can do the derivatives for you, so all you do is multiply terms and keep track of the ones that are large enough to matter.

    • @AlwinMao
      @AlwinMao 7 років тому

      Doing it this way helps to see what would happen if the numbers were replaced with other numbers.
      lim ( sqrt(x^2 + 2x + a) - sqrt(x^2 + b) )^x = e^((a-b-1)/2) for any real a,b. The 2x needs the 2 because of the square root. Hope you make a cube root (x^3) version next >:)

  • @sansamman4619
    @sansamman4619 7 років тому

    i have a rule made its called de' or eo rule (de)means take the derivative of all functions inside the parentheses and the derivative of the power as well, eo means take the integral ( the second step might not work, but you should try ot if the de step fails )

  • @WENRUAY
    @WENRUAY 5 років тому

    let A=x^2+2x+3, B=x^2+3;
    (sqrt A - sqrt B)^x = ((sqrt A - sqrt B)^2)^x/2 = ( A+B - 2sqrt (AB))^x/2 = { 2[ (A+B)/2 - sqrt(AB) ] }^x/2;
    is it coincident about the gap between Arithmetic mean and Geometric mean? sorry for my poor English

  • @shreyanray7624
    @shreyanray7624 Рік тому

    how to solve this within 2mins speedrun :
    first take the limit of the base, you find it to be 1, so its 1^inf form
    lim f^g when f --> 1 and g--> inf is e^lim (f-1)*g
    use this standard trick, and you get a simple limit of 0 * inf form
    use binomial thereom for general powers find the constant term and ignore terms with lower powers of x, you get -1/2
    Enjoy your correct answer.

  • @Tycho47
    @Tycho47 4 роки тому +1

    -lim = -1/2, so ln(L) is just 1/2 right?

  • @ScholarStream_25
    @ScholarStream_25 4 роки тому

    Hey black red pen do you practice the problems before coming on the video.If no then 🤯 u blow my mind by such clean mathematical operations with out much mistakes,🤟

  • @comingshoon2717
    @comingshoon2717 4 роки тому +1

    Eres un crack!!!.... cuando subirás ecuaciones en diferencia ???? (difference equations)

  • @Abhay0505
    @Abhay0505 5 місяців тому

    What a brilliant sum ❤

  • @smhemant9111
    @smhemant9111 7 років тому

    Well you nailed it at the end, a lot of fun watching it.

    • @pullingrabbitsouttaahat
      @pullingrabbitsouttaahat 4 роки тому

      This is an example of the Abuse of Lopital's Rule not the use of it. Watch This Video fo learn More About the abuse of Lopital's Rule : ​ua-cam.com/video/3vAvpeqJkEs/v-deo.html​

  • @surya912003
    @surya912003 7 років тому +4

    Brilliant..

  • @Nicholas-gr5pb
    @Nicholas-gr5pb 7 років тому +3

    At 6:20 roughly I get confused; shouldn’t the limit be to 0 since we know both sqrt(x^2 +2x + 3) and sqrt(x^2 + 3) are both >x so the denominator is > 2x and the fraction is

    • @nicholasjenkins7163
      @nicholasjenkins7163 7 років тому +2

      Nicholas 4321 they are equivalent for large x values. more formally 2x/(sqrt(x^2+2x+3) +sqrt(x^2+3) = 2x/(x(sqrt(1+2/x + 3/x^2) + sqrt(1+3/x^2)))= 2/(sqrt(1+2/x + 3/x^2) + sqrt(1+3/x^2)) as x goes to infinity 2/x and 3/x^2 go to 0 (if this seems non-obvious, think about what happens when you divide something by a really big number, or look at their graphs) so we get 2/(sqrt(1)+sqrt(1))=2/2= 1

    • @Nicholas-gr5pb
      @Nicholas-gr5pb 7 років тому +1

      Nicholas Jenkins gotcha eliminating x from either the numerator or denominator seems to make it a lot easier thanks 😊

  • @paradoxicallyexcellent5138
    @paradoxicallyexcellent5138 5 років тому +1

    You should do a follow-up video doing this the right way, with the second-order Taylor approximation of the square root function.

  • @remgumin1222
    @remgumin1222 4 роки тому

    at 13:08 where does the x come from? didn’t you cancel out the two to get one in the numerator before? shouldn’t you get -sqrt(x^2+2x+3) rather than that with an x in front?

    • @TaylorNguyen2909
      @TaylorNguyen2909 4 роки тому

      He only canceled the 2s on top and bottom of both fractions. The x is still on the top.

  • @DicoTheRedstoner
    @DicoTheRedstoner 7 років тому

    So.. why did you differentiate? I'm confused because you called the derivative of ln(L) the same as ln(L)

    • @TheGrooseIsLoose
      @TheGrooseIsLoose 7 років тому

      DicoTheRedstoner
      It’s called L’Hôpital’s rule. When you have a limit where the numerator and denominator both are approaching 0, the limit is equal to the limit of (the derivative of the numerator over the derivative of the denominator).
      If you google L’Hôpital’s rule, you can find out more about it and a few examples.

  • @brightlife8239
    @brightlife8239 4 роки тому

    Not quite understand of the video of time 5:10 so which video can explain this?Also not quite understand why no need absolute value?

  • @FaerieDragonZook
    @FaerieDragonZook 5 років тому

    An easier way to solve this would be to recognize that x^2 +2x +3 = (x+1)^2 + 2. Then when you calculate the inner limit, keep an extra term. [(x^2 +2x +3) - (x^2 +3)]÷[((x+1)^2 +2)^.5 + (x^2 +3)^.5] -> (2x) ÷ (x+1 + x) = 1 - 1/(2x +1). When you then calculate this to the power x and compare it to the definition of e, the answer e^(-1/2) drops out automatically. To be more careful, you can show that the inner function is equal to (1 - 1/(2x) + O(1/x^2)) for all positive x.

  • @nathanielb3510
    @nathanielb3510 4 роки тому +8

    9:39 "because of the Chain Rule"
    ... the what?
    Is that related to the Chen Lu?

    • @godson200
      @godson200 4 роки тому +1

      No because of the china flu

    • @pullingrabbitsouttaahat
      @pullingrabbitsouttaahat 4 роки тому

      This is an example of the Abuse of Lopital's Rule not the use of it. Watch This Video fo learn More About the abuse of Lopital's Rule : ​ua-cam.com/video/3vAvpeqJkEs/v-deo.html​

  • @SeriousApache
    @SeriousApache 5 років тому +12

    The limit of inside without any calculations should be 1, you can use Murphy's Law for it.

  • @aleksandro1
    @aleksandro1 2 роки тому

    Think of Infinity not as a number but more as a infinite line of numbers. It's the same as X or Y or any other letter except with set rules. Like for example
    (infinity - infinity)^(infinity) Will equal to 0, Because In my opinion infinity will cancel infinity just like (x-x)^(x) and 0 at the power of any number will equal zero, X-X=0, Positive infinity and negative infinity put together make 0.
    What if it's (infinity - infinity + 3)^(infinity)?
    This will Equal infinity because both infinities inside cancel so we are left with 3^(infinity).
    As for the 1^(infinity) that is again equal to infinity because we're Just multiplying 1 by itself. Not 1.000...001 that's a different story.
    It's not too complicated.

  • @barryzeeberg3672
    @barryzeeberg3672 2 роки тому

    could you expand the 2 square roots using the binomial theorem, get some cancellations when taking the difference, and somehow put a cap on the remainder?

  • @chsh9686
    @chsh9686 3 роки тому

    I love it !

  • @oximas
    @oximas 4 роки тому

    omg dude you are brUral with your algebra

  • @JesseBusman1996
    @JesseBusman1996 7 років тому +1

    Awesome!

  • @ForerOneSA
    @ForerOneSA 7 років тому +1

    Hi, you can solve this differential ecuation in terms of tanh? I solved in terms of ln but I'm interesing in the another result.
    (dv/dt)=g-cv^2, v= velocity, g=gravity and c=k/m, k is a constant and m is the mass, the initial condition is V(0)=V0 (V0 is the velocity initial). Thank you :)

    • @pullingrabbitsouttaahat
      @pullingrabbitsouttaahat 4 роки тому

      This is an example of the Abuse of Lopital's Rule not the use of it. Watch This Video fo learn More About the abuse of Lopital's Rule : ​ua-cam.com/video/3vAvpeqJkEs/v-deo.html​

  • @CharIie83
    @CharIie83 4 роки тому

    thats just awesome

  • @CornishMiner
    @CornishMiner 7 років тому +2

    Enjoyed that :)

  • @desarguesbaptiste5577
    @desarguesbaptiste5577 7 років тому

    Why are you not using a second time the "check" in the 4th line? Cause at the limit (x+1)(x^2+3)^(1/2)-x (x^2+2x+3)^( 1/2)=-x+ (x^2+3)^(1/2) now i guess it is easier to know this limit