Teaching myself an upper level pure math course (we almost died)
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2:41 What is real analysis?
5:30 How long did the book take me?
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Then something I forgot to mention for this textbook/class specifically, the pre-req's would be single variable calculus, proofs (induction, direct, indirect, contrapositive, etc), basic set theory, logic, and functions/relations. Last time I made one of these videos it was about going through the book 'how to prove it' and that covers everything you would need to take go through this real analysis book (besides the calculus 1 and 2 concepts).
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Which textbook book did you use?
A mathematician calls a problem "hard" as long as he hasn't fully understood it yet.
When he finally does, he calls it "trivial".
lol complex analysis goes brrrrrrrrr
We do the same as programmers. Really got to be careful when talking to customers though - because they generally assume that trivial means it isn’t going to cost much. Just because I know how to solve the problem, doesn’t mean the solution isn’t going to take me weeks to implement.
@@KusacUK Can you give an example?
@@NeelSandellISAWESOME
Make a program? Done.
Make a program with robust security? Weeks, months, years+
LOL
As a freshly minted PhD in math, I assure you the word "obviously" in a math textbook actually just means "there was something about this list of expressions that was annoying to LaTeX."
I might just steal that now if I ever have to write something up 😂
@@carlgauss1702 Neither is anyone else, to be fair.
Congratulations 😊
true words
Hilarious and true
"...staring at a problem and having no clue how to start it."
Welcome to the life of a math major
Or a depressed Computer Science student
I want to teach myself Abstract Algebra (groups, rings, modules, algebras, etc.). I know Analysis is a separate discipline but is there any advantage to covering one before the other?
@@MrAlRats No, they are completely independent. I am also going to do abstract algebra next semester for fun. I've learned a little bit of it and it is so cool!
@@MrAlRats Analysis is basically separated, at least at a beginner level. Some linear algebra is often necessary tho
On exam: lets write some definitions and hope I can get some partial credit.
"They use the word 'obviously' way too loosely in upper level math courses." Yes. In upper level math textbooks, the word obviously gains an additional meaning. It can either have its original meaning, or it can mean "proving this fact is too inconvenient for me to bother with right now, so I'm not gonna."
My Prof did this. The proof was too long so he said just believe me on this one haha.
my calc 2 prof. "this is an exercise to you guys. Means It's super easy but i forgot how" since he sdaid that i cannot read it any way else in a textbook I just get a chuckle^^
Obviously.
There is a theorem in a paper that I used in my master thesis, and the proof basically says: "It is obvious that this holds. [bla bla]. It is obvious that those two objects are isomorphic." End of proof. It took me half a year and a 5 page long proof with really really advanced stuff to show those "obvious" things. I hate that phrase.
@@oli199615 you should have just emailed the author
Flammable maths: "Today we are going to do proofs"
Zach Star: "what was that noise?"
Flammable maths: You mean proof?
Zach Star: There it is again.
Zach Star: “Oh is that the German word for ‘look up table’?”
@@stephenfreel2892
This professor got some jokes 😂
I had a professor who referred to it as “the P word”
Real Analysis is where you talk about all the times your Calculus professor told you not to worry about it.
You NAILED IT! I remember my 1st Calc course where we skipped the section on the rigorous defn of limits (epsilon delta). When I asked him why we're not covering this, he said "don't worry about it". I now consider that a COP OUT!
@@spacetimemalleable7718 Holy hell, same! I just finished Calc 1 and just writing down the definition had my mind spinning so when he said not to worry, I just took his word and moved on.
I learned my favorite proof strategy from my Linear Algebra professor, “Proof by Force.” Where you state “clearly this is true” and then no one will have the confidence to call you out for being wrong.
even math jocks are simply nerds at the end of the day
😂😂😂
This will happen often enough :D I tried to understand a paper few months ago and they had one part where they wrote "Verification of the first lemma is routine and will be omitted". When I tried to proof it, it turned out to have one part that wasn't clear at all. So I struggled 4-5 days with it and then asked the authors about it. And it actually turned out to be false in general, but the main theorem of the paper could still be shown, but one had to do some extra work.
Most of the time when mathematicians write "trivial", it's actually trivial. Hartshorne is a counterexample tho :D
So is that the history of black matter?
@@matheuscerqueira7952 just su, thats dumb on so many levels
"Well of course it's obvious.....ONCE YOU REALIZE IT!"
Truer words have never been spoken. It sounds like a contradiction, but so many times in my Math Major as an undergrad, I would go through exactly that. I'd read something that claimed to be obvious 15 times over for an hour straight before giving up. Then the next day I woke up and I just understood exactly what it was saying. Like, of course it's true. Why wouldn't it be true?
Johan Cruyff has this famous saying in Dutch "Als je het eenmal ziet, dan is het simpel", which roughly translates to "Once you see it, it's obvious". It couldn't be more true for math.
Ikr!
I would imagine it's like we try to get from point A to point B, there are many paths, and on the first try we picked the wrong path that has a large rock blocking it. The more we try to brainstorm is like the more we struggle to get around that rock, but that's futile since we need to choose another path instead of being stubborn on that wrong way. At this point we would need to back off, take relax and give our brain time to _forget that path_ - then next morning when we try to get from point A to point B again, our brain can have a chance to pick another better path. Once it's done, we will simply forget the thought process we went through that lead us to the wrong path, and as a result, we will think about it like "of course it's true. Why wouldn't it be true?"
And be like, "Was I stupid or what? How could I *not* have known that earlier?"
Burnout does that sometimes in my experience. It's good to take breaks sometimes and study different subjects or problems for the same reason
"The proof is left to the student as an exercise."
"It follows that..."
Haha! When I was a in my first year at university, my physics professor wrote down the topic on the chalk board and in the next line the formula.. nearly all the time. His standard comment was: This problem so trivial, you can easily derive the formula for yourself.
We students: WTF!
I hate many of these proofs... because they are often neither intuitive nor systemic. You literally need to be hit by the same sudden realization that something they are assuming you remember from a course you had three years prior and certainly don't remember applies here. Math is huge and tons of math instruction assumes you have an ironclad memory for every single itty bitty detail in every "lower" course even though at that level the hierarchy is much flatter.
@@zvxcvxcz tell me about it! I have a hard time due to some questions needing relevant information I studied 3 years ago..
*LHS=RHS*
The "it is obvious, once you realise it" part reminds me of a funny story:
There's a professor in a math class, during the lecture he declares a theorem and says that the proof is trivial, then moves on.
After class a student comes up to him and asks him about the proof that the professor claimed was trivial. The student says he doesn't see how you would do it, and it doesn't seem trivial to him.
The professor then looks at the problem and thinks about it. He realises that he doesn't actually immediately know how to prove it. He tells the student to talk to him the next day. That night the professor looks at the problem again and spends all night figuring out how to prove it. By the morning he's figured it out, and is able to prove it.
The next day the same student comes up to him and asks about the problem.
The professor says: ah yes, I thought about that problem some more, and I can confirm that yes, it is indeed trivial.
Do you know what the problem was?
@@hehexdjnp_prakn2589 yes I also need to know
My professor in physics (when I was a freshman in university) always said that. He was just annoying.
Hey is this that one person on Andrew Dotson's video about Jackson
This type of professor is soo traaash
More like teaching yourself how to be such a g-dang beautiful person
Ah he's here
Remember to collab.
U outta flammy's basement? 😅
Collab again please
@@rushunnhfernandes I was born in the basement
@@AndrewDotsonvideos HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Undergraduate Analysis: "Ugh... I can't believe I stared at it for an entire hour not knowing what to do"
Graduate Analysis: "Holy shit dude I only spent 2 days staring at it not knowing what to do."
Yep, basically, that’s the nature of higher math
Therein lies the essence of academic inquiry - one big flex of how long you can be stuck on a problem 😂
Imagine not dealing with phase
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@@rushunnhfernandes bruh
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Complex? Sounds imaginary.
@@sajateacher you don’t need to state the obvious, 😂
As someone who is interested in Pure math, Physics, and Engineering, to be able to appreciate them all together is what makes them engaging in any shape or form.
Haha... I thought the same when I went into eng. Doing 9h a day for 2 months straight now really makes me rethink some of my decisions.
Any idea what you are going to take up in college ?
You're an aspiring Polymath.
A physics student walks up to his Prof and asks him whether a certain statement can be considered trivial. The Prof, deeply reflects on the statement, but cannot answer the student right away. The next day, the Prof happily concludes to the student, "This statement is indeed trivial."
the irony lol
@@NeelSandellISAWESOME is
My current Real Analysis Part 2 professor had Rudin as an advisor and I feel extremely honored.
Honored, or scared?
@@whydontiknowthat More honored, my professor is very kind and very fair. Definitely focuses more on making sure you thoroughly understand the topology using whatever methods necessary.
Rudin's analysis is one of the most famous texts in math, so you should be proud.
@@TyronTention Yeah, sometimes wrapping your brain around topology is a real stretch.
@Robin Hack That's a wonderful perspective! I hope you don't mind if I cut 'n' paste it to share (with attribution to you).
I loved this class. Partly because the teacher was great, and partly because if you are teaching people this class, they are going to be a bunch of fast-witted, snarky, sarcastic dicks. Because these classes teach you to find loopholes better than a lawyer. And we had a lot of fun because of that.
But the best part of the class was the 2nd test. I was given the question "prove or disprove the validity of this statement: there exists a rational number R and an irrational number I such that R•I equals a rational number."
And I looked at that question for about 10 seconds, and wrote down "R=0" and moved on.
When he graded it, he wrote "I technically have to give you credit"
One of my friends got the question wrong, and when I told him R=0, he turned bright red and about died in embarrassment because, " I forgot zero existed".
But the best part is that on the next test, he asked the same question, but with the added "for R=/=0" in it.
It was great.
That actually sounds sick
cool story
damn I bet that felt great!
Well, zero exists, but there's not much to it. (Your friend may have been a bit hard on himself.)
That is great. So now I have to know, are there any other examples?
Me: thinking about studying math at an advanced level.
My brain: Softly 'dont'
Do it! I hesitated a lot aswell and even had bad experience with advanced math before, but if you're really trying to understand it and put a lot of time in the first months into it, you'll be happy with the result. And later you'll be way faster with pretty much everything
"Sometimes I could draw a picture. Which is a good strategy."
*laughs in complex analysis*
R: "Let's draw f(x) = e^x "
C: "No."
@@Oscar1618033 People who can visuallize 4D: *pathetic*
Then i recommend visual complex Analysis to you.
@@Oscar1618033 Draw two complex planes. Its a mapping from C to C. It isn't telling you everything but is an relatively easy method to get a first intuition.
@@IsomerSoma I have an intuition, but it's completely not trivial to accurately draw 4D in 2D
Mathematicians: Let E>0
Engineers: So E=0
Nahh
No
I didn’t watch the video. I’d that a “proof by contradiction” joke or you just don’t like engineers 😋
@@MinEntropy with minimum entropy u can maintain ur organism cool
Hahaha man I've never felt so dumb as when I went through a serious maths textbook. That thing about "just give me one I can solve" really hit home.
you gotta spend time dude, some of the problems are REALLY HARD because you have to develop your own techniques, but when u solve them u'll feel very satisfied.
Yes, as they all have said, don’t be discouraged. It’s the very nature of these higher level math courses to be extremely difficult, even for the brightest of the brightest. It’s not supposed to come easy for anyone, but keep going at it!
Id like to point out that not being discouraged is not as easy for most people as simply saying "don't be discouraged". Good luck to whoever's reading this!
"It was the longest build up ever"
Clearly you've never read bertrand Russell's principia mathematica, in which they took several hundred pages to prove that 1+1=2.
Professor: *Writing over 6 whole blackboards, using all the space*
"Therefore 0 is indeed equal to 0"
That's not true though. The hundred(s?) of pages before that aren't really about that proof. The proof for 1+1=2 just happens to be on that page.
@@zandorf8150 the pages before is a requisite build up
Now that book is truly rigorous. Reading that one honestly sounds like torture.
i dont wanna ruin the joke, but also want to clarify that the aim wasn't only to prove that 1+1=2, but was also to showcase mathematical technique and tools
Title : *we almost died*
Me, a college math student : *I felt that*
哈哈 😂
Dude this is seriously so validating. I've tried to read through upper level texts a few times but I always get stuck on something or other and I get really discouraged. I feel like I'm going too slowly. Then I just kinda give up.
Hearing that you go through the same thing really helps. It's encouraging. Thanks!
"In mathematics the art of proposing a question must be held of higher value than solving it." Georg Cantor
Indeed, asking the right questions is often more important than answer it
Those black and red circle around his eyes... proved 😅😂 Why ( We almost died)
Mathematician here. In undergrad, the first Real Analysis course is generally considered to be the hardest course in a math degree. In graduate school, the Real Analysis course is also generally considered the hardest course in the program. But there are some simple tricks to it. The year after I finished the graduate analysis course, a friend was taking it and was stuck on a problem. She explained the problem to me, and then I said "I didn't follow any of what you just said, but it's analysis, so just approximate it and you'll be fine." She wasn't too enthused with my answer, but 3am on the morning the assignment was due, she remembered what I said and just gave it a try. She approximated the function and then the problem just worked itself out.
Complex analysis though, that's different. Way nicer to deal with, and some of the most beautiful mathematics you'll see.
They should stop calling it complex analysis and start calling it "smooth analysis".
Sounds like an engineering approach. We take a value and round it up and make a linear approximation to another value with a straight line. Since we are mostly in the linear part of a devices characteristic it works within boundary. Class A transistor amplifiers are a classic example of this method. The problem is when you push the small delta to be a big delta!!
@@mehg8407 In Germany its called "Funktionentheorie (theory of functions)".
@@IsomerSoma Yes or Komplexe Analysis :D
For many it was Topology
“10 real world applications I can use in my life, tonight. Go!”
-Zach
“You can spend an hour reading a page.”
I thought this was excessive until I realize I’ve sunk 300+ hours into JRPG and competitive games before, which is the pessimist estimate for 1 hr per page on a 300+ page textbook. This is encouraging me to self teach in preparation for my future courses.
The closest analogy I’ve found is my A1-A2 level Czech grammar. In Czech.
I have no degree and I taught myself programming to a pretty advanced level. Now I’m teaching myself linear algebra, with the goal to learn multi-variable calculus (I know you can learn one without the other, but this is just the path I’m going on). One thing that helps me stay consistent and motivated is learning everything with its applications. Thanks for another awesome upload. You’re definitely inspiring!
Multi-variable Calculus is a lot easier than you think it’s literally just Integral and Derivatives extrapolated into 3D.
On a separate note the Apex Calculus book is really good and free
build interactive/dynamic simulations and visualizations of what you are learning. Implementing them will give you the next level ninja stuff since you can't cleanly code something you don't fully understand.
@@KRYMauL well it can be extremely difficult depending on literally the difficulty of the question. High end vector calculus is infamous
@@roonces8788 I meant the basics, but yes of course you can add complexity just like with anything.
Mannnn, your videos are gold! I was planning on self-studying throughout the holiday and this particular video miraculously popped up. Thank you.
It's always soothing to hear someone who went through the pain I went through doing Real Analysis
Even though Im not interested in learning mathematics, I found your video to be very uplifting for my psyche. Hearing that you struggled this much yet perservered and grew your mind past your initial limits...thats encouraging to me! I want to self teach simpler tasks and concepts, hopefully apply the same down to Earth discipline you had summarized.
Its cool to see your passage through math on your channel. Each new video you come across more intelligent and more motivated. Thats a great motivation for all of us.
Fantastic content Zach! I’m a math major and I was sort of independently following your path, Velleman and then an intro to analysis to prepare for those three courses I have to take. I’m glad I found your videos on self teaching, you address a lot of the issues (like not getting discouraged, when to move on etc) Thank you!
Wow, this video is very encouraging, I've been reading Rudin's book and sometimes I get stuck at one concept or exercise for hours, that can be a little discouraging most of the time because you feel that you can't continue.. but you made realize is pretty normal and it's part of the learning process, so let's continue study and never give up!
I found out that remaining at the concept I got stuck on is very counterproductive. I just press on and return later. Usually by then, I cannot even remember what was it that I was not understanding.
You have no idea how much I needed this video. Self teaching math is something I’ve really been wanting to do once I have some time on my hands and Real Analysis is very early on my list (I’ve already done the calc series). I’m glad I have a first hand account of what its like and what to look out for.
How tough was calculus
@@radhakrishnanmanickavasaga124very easy
this is one of the best videos to watch when feeling confused with compsci/math! your methods are extremely helpful ty brotha
Great job! I love self-learning and am on my own self-learning journey for many subjects including teaching myself upper level maths that I never took but for psychology it’s important to really understand these!
I would agree with you that reviewing and tests are very important, I make myself take exams, there are a lot of exams or problems on the internet and workbooks, so yea, it’s great that any self-learner be sure to review and test themselves!
So nice seeing other self-learners!! 😊
It is great pleasure to see someone as passionate about mathematics as you are.
Very wise young person. A great use of your time, thank you for sharing,
Really like these kinds of videos where you go through textbooks on your own!
Dude, just loved this video. This is one of the best descriptions I've seen on how to learn. Because let be honest we have some people good at teaching/learning, but in reality we don't actually know how to do it. (From a rigorous stand point)
The steps you've noticed and spoke about on the moments when you do stuff when you actually didn't learn it. Or the moments when you can actually realize and pinpoint that you found something you don't know.
Because it's literally impossible to just think of something you don't know to learn. So being able to pinpoint these moments is SUPER important and no one talks about it.
Also moving with the conclusion we also don't know how to teach because no one can actually pinpoint what someone is thinking that is wrong, why and what's the thing the person should think to realize they're wrong - and that would allow you to cause the "eureka moment" we call teaching.
I mean at least outside of this video I've never seen anyone even speak about it.
The problem I have at school is that you have to continue even if you dont understand what are you doing
This
@@joonathaan Is
I'm an engineering student that's graduating this month, and this video makes me excited about all the self-learning I'm going to be doing post-graduation!
Famous last words
Love some Zach Star! Your an amazing man and engineer!
Thats beautiful. Like an art piece. Good content maye
I'm glad you liked that textbook. We use the same one at my university. I remember being so happy when I realised calculus was just a bunch of useless things I was told, since I thought there wasn't that much rigour behind it. And I'm the kind of person who is unable to enjoy a lecture if they're not able to properly understan
d it. I hated calculus so much...
The bit about "obviously" being used way too loosely in math texts was great. I have a bs in math and, yes, spot on.
I love how passionate and down to earth this video is
I like your honesty Zach. Your appreciation of the details of Rolle's theorem and how it's generalised to get the Mean Value theorem reminds me of why I liked Real Analysis despite not connecting with it initially.
I am PhD student in math. Advice I would give to those teaching themselves from a book is to not try an read too much in one sitting. Too much new information all at once becomes overwhelming and discouraging. It depends on your level and how the book is written, but a good starting pace is one to two sections per sitting. You could even do more than one sitting a day. But pace yourself. It will not come as quick as you want. Math is hard.
Also to Zach Star, if you liked the advanced calculus/real analysis that you learned, I recommend looking into a similar level book on complex analysis. It discusses similar concepts but with functions over the complex plane. You will see too that there are many "nice" things that work for functions on the complex plane that do not work for functions on the real line.
Before going into that point set topology book, I hope your real analysis book discussed metric spaces.
What is a PHD in math like for you?
@@refreshist4821
It was hard but I was able to grasp it as quick as I needed for classes, but I truly learned material after their respective classes. I loved algebra and real analysis. However i ended up not completing the phd. I decided to go for a masters in Stats instead.
That’s the beauty of mathematics. You start from the bottom and step by step you build a structure that explains the world in a way you understand. I recommend V.I. Smirnov’s book called “A Course Of Higher Mathematics”. It goes from variables to limits to derivatives to integrals to complex numbers. This book is remarkable and teaches you mathematics the correct way it should be taught.
I'll research this book and keep an eye out for a cheap used copy. Thanks for the reccomendation
Thank you for this video! I really needed it.
Thank you so much for taking the time to share this video. I am doing a Real Analysis course this semester and the textbook we are using is 'Analysis with an Introduction to Proof' by Steven R Lay. I've heard quite a bit about the Rudin's text, which I intend to have a look at. I'll also be looking at the text you highlighted in this video. As a Mathematics Major, I can say with absolute certainty that Real Analysis is truly in a league of its own. It demands much more patience and practice than I have ever had to put out for Calculus and Statistics courses. Even Linear Algebra was much more manageable. Now I'm off to do some work in Metric Spaces. I liked and subscribed! Thanks again.
I love that book! It was the assigned book for my first real analysis course. I enjoyed it immensely. It is the one that I recommend to others learning real analysis for the first time.
Man, I absolutely hated Real Analysis. As someone who was pursuing a degree in Applied Math but sadly had to complete Real Analysis as a mandatory course, it took me 4 ATTEMPTS to actually pass that class. Just think about it, I failed 3 TIMES.
bruh r u a girl
Hmm? What does being a girl has to do with this? Lol
@@axisepsilon514 Charles is simply dumb. Or he was making a horrible joke.
@@charlesdesouza9313 big yikes
You pulled through in the end though. I can't imagine failing more than twice and retaking a course.
Zach, I'm at Cal Poly too, and this video very well might help me make it through. These are methods that I haven't heard before and sound like they will help me a lot, especially since so many of the professors can't teach and so we have to rely on self teaching. Thanks!
I really like how honest are you about your experiences with the book like saying I spent 2 hours staring at a problem having no clue how to start solving it
I loved real analysis, that was such an intense, rewarding experience.
Congrats! That's a huge achievement and you should be really proud. Can't wait for the next video. P.S.: I really struggled with real analysis but I found that it became more intuitive once I learned the basic definitions and theorems from general topology (properties of continuous maps, compact domains, connected domains, etc.).
awesome content bruh i love seeing when a guy has done something new but doesn't try to brag about it, instead tries to include the listener and give em some interesting stuff to investigate later, rly cool proof there
Thanks for this, as someone who also tends to spend free time learning (seemingly for fun) to make an effort to do only enough examples to get fundamental points of how a system works, then spending time learning sideways to patch up occasionally 'obvious' information then realizing that most of the holdup is due to some metaphorically applied definition that is commonly proposed to help understand said system; Having to take a break or switching gears to another subject or area of application can help solidify selflearned topics while you are the most stuck and motivated, walking away motivated and stuck usually gets the gears moving latently if you're not in any rush to cram the knowledge or fatigue one self mentally if you are trying to keep at it and feel the gears gring to a halt before leaving in a stressful state of unmotivated. Of course needing to apply the theory to any project makes for a easier time learning as mistakes being made can physically manifest themselves, but when learning about inapplicable or uninvolving topics can only really be explored if you have someone as interested in the field to discuss with about the theory even if they are not as learned or experienced with the topic as you may be. I struggle to find said persons and it's few and far between that discussion about self application is useful. You do well to propagate your struggles as to help others understand how to avoid and work with those assumed topic's flatness factors . (As in flat on it's face obvious) Sometimes it's the simplest things that we forget we know, when the vastness of a subject matter consumes one's mind and hearing the face-palming fact from someone aware of that you'll overlook it, is the reason I feel most people are not compelled to continue any topic and/or self teaching, Keep up the motivation, it's deep rooted and visceral, and like sunshine on a rainy mental day.
I used that book in my undergrad in my real analysis class that was a pre requisite for the Rudin based real analysis class! I too strongly recommend this book when you're trying to learn the material. One thing to note is that this text is that the approach was done using sequences whereas most real analysis texts use the concept of distances between objects in their proofs. Abbott does talk about the the latter a decent amount, but my personal takeaway was the using sequences in my proofs which can cause some misunderstanding if one were to go on to a topology or complex analysis text. Earlier this year, Springer, the publisher of the textbook, was allowing folks to download a pdf file of Understanding Analysis for free on their site, although I recently checked and it seems to me that the offer has ended.
Analysis is a beautiful subject indeed. In terms of applications though, one has to learn a bit more to see its full power. Well known engineering methods like finite element have their roots in functional analysis/measure theory; and so does quantum mechanics (it's certainly not necessary to know these subjects for QM but you'll definitely appreciate QM more if you do). Pure maths can seem very abstract and unmotivated but its real power is precisely in its ability to apply these abstractions to a whole range of different contexts. Innocent theorems about a set of linear equations are suddenly generalized to study differential operators on infinite dimensional spaces. My experience has been that I have come to deeply understand the physics only after I have rigorously studied the mathematical theory behind it.
This video is inspirational, I am planning to read Griffith's intro to electrodynamics, Taylor's classical mechanics and Shankar's Classical mechanics in the next two years. I'll come back to comment once I have completed this quest to update you.
Thank you sooo much. I share so many common points with you as a self taught advanced calculus and advanced algebra course. At first, i used to panic a lot and feel like I have a problem in my self or the way I study. 3 years after I passed this fear and panic and yes, i still get stuck sometimes but I take it simple. I do more research and review different texts of the topic because so many math topics can be explained so loosely. Thanks a lot
As a math bachelor student, what I sometimes do as well is just read the additional chapters in my books we don't cover. They usually have a fun selection of additional topics you can delve into. Topology and Measure Theory especially have tons of interesting branches after you've familiarized yourself with the main material.
This is a cultural difference I guess, but here in Europe, Engineers take that course. It's usually mandatory, and a fourth one is either suggested or common enough (the third one usually is a 70 h real analysis + functional analysis + distributions + (more serious) serious complex analysis + pde, the fourth one is about unbounded operators, spectral theory, variational problems, etc) Also there is no single "proof" course, all math courses from the first one consist in proving theorems and then a (usually younger) assistant holds an "applications" class where you do exercises
I would say European are quite good at math, but idk, those are pretty advanced analysis.
Wow, Europe are really advanced in maths teaching comparing to Australia and america, from my opinoin. Some stuff we learn in the fouth year class, which is taught in 2rd year in Europe.
@@existenceispain2074 it's not really a matter of being better at math I think, just what they require you to study. Those are the third and fourth years anyway. I think it's just a difference in cultural habits
@@peizhengni1346 Its a different approach which has a philosophical and a economic reason.
1. Pure mathematics differently valued in europen universities. Physic majors also take pure math courses from 1st semster onwards (at ETH zürich they even take the exact sames as math majors). In some 2nd semester theoretical mechanics course you might be already introduced to manifolds and basic differential geometry. This crazy if you think about US math majors doing calc2 in 2nd semester!
2. We have public universities -> unis select not by money but by kicking 80%+ for not passing exams. Learn or perish.
But in the end: are the results really that different? US ranks at the top in science, engineering and everything. American/ Australian (isnt Tao australian?) mathematicians are among the best of the world. It obviously didnt hurt them to have a strangely weak bachelors programm. However i would hate to study math and for the first semesters mostly doing calculations. I hate calculations.
I found a similar thing in economics and I would suspect it being similar in other fields. It seems to me that many of the top universities are not top at educating their average students. For instance, watching the MIT linear algebra course on youtube was interesting. While the explanations were superb, there exists high schools here, that goes to similar depths.
This is amazing. Being able to learn textbooks on your own seems like an almost impossible feat for me, but now I am starting to understand how it can be done. Thanks a lot my man for making these videos! Also, I'm probably going to be taking this course in a few years so this video seems like it can help guide me through the darkness and hopelessness of terrifyingly difficult classes.
I can't imagine being able to learn an entire book without a TA. I guess once you no longer have a paid staff to help you out, you really start to appreciate what their help.
Honestly, you just never broke the ice. I think that you simply do not understand yet that you are capable of thinking about a problem for a few hours and actually solving it. Not a puzzle problem where you know what you have to do and you play around, but an actual math problem that seems like an impossible wall to climb.
My advice is to dedicate a few hours into it every day and suddenly you start solving things, understanding them and breaking the ice of impossibility. Then you start enjoying the creative process where YOU are solving the problems, not your TA.
This is not duable in a university setting, because of the brutal pacing. But if you are self studying, then you are free from pacing constraints and you SHOULD progress as slowly and deeply as possible and get everything out of it, even if it takes the whole year. And the most important thing it can teach you is this problem solving skill you can only attain being forced to work on your own and think for yourself.
I self-teach myself a lot of content that supposedly should be taught at school, and I can relate to your experience so much!! I used to get discouraged from getting stuck on a problem or having trouble grasping the logical flow of things. But after a while, I got used to it. I can understand concepts better as I teach myself from the ground up, with the fundamentals instead of taking pieces of knowledge prescribed by teachers. By making sure I fully understand before moving on, I am able to apply those concepts better in the long term. Highly recommend self-learning!
Great video! Thank you for describing the process of learning rigorous mathematics in such an accessible way. I can relate to so many of the experiences you had, and the feelings too. I want to suggest that all of this becomes even more important as you go deeper into mathematics. As a graduate student, I would often recall a theorem, maybe a "small" result, but realize that I didn't quite remember why it was true. I would sit down and prove it to myself again. Sometimes this would be inspired by a question or comment in teaching an undergraduate course. Sometimes it would be in the course of proving a deeper result.
Regardless, I always had the "stranded on a desert island" approach. If I were shipwrecked on a desert island with no math textbooks-but perhaps plenty of paper, pencils, and good eraser (don't forget the eraser!)-*how much mathematics could I recreate?* Could I recreate integral formulas? How about Bézout's identity for the GCD? Fundamental Theorem of Algebra? Burnside's Lemma for counting orbits of group actions. Could I construct isomorphisms between finite groups presented in different ways? Bijections between sets of combinatorial objects? etc.
This has given me a sense of ownership of and facility with the ideas, like they're mine. So I can use them and play around with them without fear. It's difficult to overestimate the satisfaction of not only knowing a result, so you can apply it, but also to be able to construct it from scratch if need be. Because, as you point out, the techniques in the argument can be just as useful, if not more useful, than the conclusion that you reached with them.
u are my inspiration bro
You are amazing Zach! Keep with you on Patreon
Thanks for doing this! I personally would like to have more of these recommendation-videos on advanced topics (maths and physics) that do not belong to the standard engineering curriculum.
I feel your pain here - I'm taking real analysis as a pre-req for Econ PhD programs, and with the remote learning, I'm basically teaching myself. I'm not sure how anyone would take these classes before the internet age, so much is online that helps explain concepts just enough better than the textbook for the concept to click.
Good to hear that I am not the only one who attempts the "stare the problem down" technique fruitlessly, ad infinitum.
Really needed the advice for self-learning, thanks I always feel anxious when I get stuck on a problem with my engineering courses especially that I am self-learning it :( online classes really sucks
I’ve never really watched Zach Star before (although I watch papa flammy and Dotson) but I really, really enjoy this video. Thanks man, this is nice
I mean at my university (Pisa) at the First year of physics we have a calculus exam like that. We Also prove the local uniquenes and existance of the solution of a particular cauchy problem class and everything that leads to It rigorously
Like the dirichlet function that Zach described (1 on rational and 0 on irrational) Is the perfect example of non rieman integrable function.
A rigorous course Is really Great because you know absolutely where everything comes from and calculus should be thaught like that even at eingeniering degrees
I'm in Real Analysis 1 right now, and I like it and hate it at the same time. Its the hardest math class I've ever taken, but its also the easiest class to put work into. The feeling of catching some clever little thing in a problem and it all falling into place is just amazing. Better than building a circuit and having it work first try.
Calculus is easy?
@@radhakrishnanmanickavasaga124 Calc is very (literally) formulaic. Once the intuition of integrals and derivatives is established, it's all just techniques. Not hard at all imo. Real analysis (or proof based analysis of any kind, really) is much more rigorous. The process is fun, the result is boring, where as in calc, the process is boring and the result is fun.
Even once you get into like vector or multivariate calc, it's just extensions of similar ideas. Greens theorem, stokes theorem, etc, just relationships. Analysis takes your intuition and asks."but like why tho" and can help you understand it on an even deeper level
@@markdatton1348 got it I'll give real analysis a try
Sir, I learned alot from you.thank you from the bottom of my heart❤️
This is helpful and entertaining! Thanks!
My experience is that anything called "obvious" (or similar) in a maths text book is a way to get you to work it out for yourself. Its never obvious. its always something worth knowing
One major problem I usually witness with people struggling in maths is that many people lack a lot heuristic skills, which are, IMO, very essential for math proving. Most would say: "Just do math proofs daily and you'll get better": Now while this does hold some truth, it doesn't really do much if you're just trying to prove something by let's say trial-and-error technique (which takes very long if the proof is more complex). Exercises only help if you develope some sort systemical approach to solve a problem, which requires several heurisitic skills (and I don't mean math proving techniques only; I am talking about more general approaches, such like psychological strategies (sounds crazy, but it's true)). I recommend the book: "The Art and Craft of Problem Solving". You will notice that it can also be applied to pretty much every area.
Just seeing the words, "Real Analysis," gave me PTSD. That course was crazy hard even with an excellent instructor and a few other math majors to work through the proofs with. So many hours feeling impossibly stuck on some of those proofs. I can't imagine trying to work through that material alone. Bravo Zach.
That textbook is the exact one we are currently using in my Real Analysis class. My professor isn’t great IMO, but the textbook is really useful to me. Would definitely recommend it for the same reasons mentioned in the video. There’s also a lot of different resources on the internet of course, and they have been really helpful for certain parts I may not understand at times. I’ve really enjoyed Real Analysis and am looking forward to more in another class soon.
I have started to do something similar!* I realize that I only ever took Calc. 1 and that's it. I wanted to try my hand at Machine Learning (ML) stuff and when I was going through a course online I realized I had absolutely no clue what was going on.
So now, I am learning Linear Algebra with 3blue1brown's help (Also yours! Thank you for that course), after which I'll try ML once again. I'm probably still missing some statistics, but that's this is my start.
For linear Alegbra, you can try Gilbert strang’s MIT course which is really excellent. For probability and statistics, you can try Dan blitzstein’s Harvard course
We are in the same boat mate. I was completing a data science specialization on Coursera and when I reached the ML course, I realized I wasn't well-equiped mathematically speaking.
Now I'm taking a linear algebra course before I can go back to ML.
3blue1brown has a series where he breaks down ML and one episode focuses specifically on the calculus of ML so you might want to check that out.
Hey ya’ll, just wanted to thank you guys for your suggestions. If anyone else has any others i and i am sure many others in my position would appreciate it! :)
You should go through a textbook aswell, those videos are not enough.
An important side effect of struggling with difficult concepts and figuring them out on your own is a deep sense of satisfaction and fulfillment. How did you "feel" as you worked through this book and how did it affect your motivation?
A good question for a Math Major Philosophy Minor
My TA recommended this book and I am so glad that he did. I started with real analysis about 3 months back and I hope to have found this video back then, would've been really useful. It's still useful nontheless. Thank you, Zach.
Wow thanks for sharing your insights and tips.
Me too smooth brain to understand this
Smooth brain. No weinkllles-- no sad
@@kaiwilson5218 but at what cost
@@zaidnava562 None that we can remember... smooth brain power! (Or...uhhh lack thereof?)
Andrew Dotson comments on all Zach’s and Tibees’ videos... how cute :)
Thanks Zach. You are giving some real jewels here.
this class had me staring out the window of the bus for a whole semester, hoping and praying i would make it out alive. i remember my gf at the time saying “what’s wrong?” and me responding “all my sadness is wrapped up in real analysis”. i also remember being insanely jealous of people who could go along with the lectures, understanding what’s actually going on. looking back i’m glad i challenged myself but holllllyyy shit that was funky.
i also love how math becomes less computational and thus less procedural as you move up in math. like we use algebra and calculus to get answers but then, as you move up, it becomes more about “what are numbers?”.
really wish i had this video in college. for all the undergrads, you are very lucky to have this.
"you learn it from the ground up"
laughs in ZFC
I'm a computer science undergrad, this video feels like he's just summarised my engineering life, even though this is about applied mathematics 😂
You did engineering and now are doing cs?
He meant computer engineering
As an undergrad maths student who self studies maths(specially real analysis)a lot,i could relate to your every emotion and experience. Perfect video bro🤘🏻
Zach you are so right, Understanding Analysis is my favorite analysis book for self-teaching. My prof actually mainly used this book but also took some problems from Carruthers. If you already know some analysis, then maybe you would be able to brave Rudin to learn some more, but honestly I was able to take further analysis courses pretty much just based on my background with Abbott. I love this book.