Sleeper Ships
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- Опубліковано 21 лис 2018
- To journey across the stars requires voyages of centuries or more, ensuring the crew will be long dead by the time they arrive. If you want your crew available to colonize new worlds after their interstellar voyage, you either have to extend their lives, train their descendants, or freeze them till they arrive. We will examine the third option day, freezing people with cryonics, using hibernation, or suspended animation, or some other form of stasis the future might offer.
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Credits: Sleeper Ships
Episode 161, Season 4 E47
Writer: Isaac Arthur
Editors:
Daniel McNamara
Darius Said
Edward Nardella
Jerry Guern
Keith Blockus
Mark Warburton
Matthew Acker
Olly Epsom
Producer: Isaac Arthur
Cover Artist: Jakub Grygier www.artstation.com/jakub_grygier
Graphics Team:
Bryan Versteeg spacehabs.com
Fishy Tree www.deviantart.com/fishytree/
Jeremy Jozwik www.artstation.com/zeuxis_of_...
Ken York of YD Visual / ydvisual
LegionTech Studios
Mike Munt of Apogii www.apogii.uk
Sergio Botero www.artstation.com/sboterod?f...
Narrator: Isaac Arthur
Music Manager: Luca DeRosa - lucaderosa2@live.com
Music:
Markus Junnikkala, "Plotting a Course" www.markusjunnikkala.com/
Dan MacLeod, "Deompression" & "Gravity Well" / neptuneuk
Aerium, "The Darwin Project" / @officialaerium
Lombus, "Amino" lombus.bandcamp.com
Markus Junnikkala, "Always Tell Me the Odds" www.markusjunnikkala.com/ - Наука та технологія
Happy Thanksgiving everyone!
A happy Thanksgiving to you too, Isaac Arthur
Sleeping for a hundred years? Sign me up
Grateful for your videos Isaac!
Happy thanksgiving!
@@linyenchin6773 Skin colour is so completely irrelevant it is like me saying oh you taller than 187 cm therefore thou art better somehow... nationality and langauge do not matter. Only care for the future to be cool and fun and ethical is all I ask for. I can only speak for me. GL hf 🐶💜
"Are you human?"
"Uh, negative, I am a meat popsicle." =D
Corbin Dallas
What is a meat popsicle anyway?
One possibility for maintaining sanity over time would be one or more virtual worlds that would allow the mind to keep itself busy in.
imo, the moment humans are capable of creating virtual worlds, and connecting our brains directly with machinery to experience them, the interest in colonizing the galaxy will be very minimal. As exploring virtual worlds of our own creations (most likely AI creations) will be far more interesting.
@@FrostbitexP …
I get your point that folks might lose interest in colonizing the galaxy if they have the option to “lose themselves” in virtual worlds.
However…. If humanity should have the good fortune to survive indefinitely, we will eventually have to get out there whether we find it interesting or not. Our sun will not last forever, and at some point, we will need resources no longer available in this solar system.
A LONG way off, I know…. But if ALL of us keep ourselves tucked away in some virtual reality, we may have no concept of how to leave, or ever even notice the need to.
At some point though, I guess our virtual world would just collapse around us as we die, and that would just be the end of us.
@@FrostbitexP But anything that we can imagine and create with our minds has a different appeal than anything that exists outside our mind and is beyond our control. The two have separate appeal i think
Wouldn’t it be better to wake them up every couple of years or centuries just to make sure they’re ok?
Or a big ship with lots of people.
Absolutely LOVE the ending music. Shivers and goosebumps, makes me happy to work for the future.
The AI could be reset to factory defaults frequently. Every day could be it's first day on the job.
Computers that go berserk and kill off the crew on a sleeper ship? The HAL-9000 series is the most reliable computer ever made. No 9000 computer has ever made a mistake or distorted information. We are all, by any practical definition of the words, foolproof and incapable of error.
Plus, really, what can go wrong? The ship has no internal engines, the propulsion is provided entirely by laser. Even if it were to disassemble all the meatbags for optimization and turn the ship into a nanofactory, it's not like the magnificient thing could change course and conquer the universe....
@@Real M
HAl-9000 was ordered to lie and as a result went psychotic trying to obey orders contrary to his core function.
@@calvingreene90 Proving how unreliable he is. Bad programming if you can bust him with a logic bomb. ^.^
@@@Alexander_Kale
Only if the bomb is planted by someone in authority to give him orders and only if planted when he was young. I have seen children go off their rails just as badly from contradictory instructions but they were not in a position do do harm on the same level.
@@calvingreene90 If the guiding computer acts and thinks like a child, I would STILL call that bad programming. Anything that can be busted with a fucking logic bomb should not be put in charge of anything.
24:16 "Prepare ship for ludicrous speed!!!"
Happy Thanksgiving Isaac and everyone!
Happy Thanksgiving, JMG!
Hi Anna ( ❤3❤)
24:15 LUDICROUS SPEED ENGAGE!!!!!!
8:04 I was most amused by the SFIA demonstration of various Cryosleep techniques. Was rather unexpected.
Another great episode, Isaac. A Happy Thanksgiving to you and everyone working with SFIA. I have learned so much from you and am so thankful for your hard work and passion towards teaching others.
Yeh, love that.
Lol, "corpsicles"
Happy thanks giving, Isaac!
I think that was a term first thrown out in the movie "Event Horizon."
@@fakshen1973 and the very similar "Capsicle" was use in the first Avengers movie.
I remember it from Larry Niven's 'Tales of Known Space' stories. They were written in the 60s and 70s.
Wakey wakey sleeper crew
Time to watch some Isaac Arthur!
Wake up, time to die.
AI needs to warm up sleepers.
"Wakey Wakey shake-n-bakey!"
Ah, I miss Buck Rogers, those early 80s :(
That Han Solo bit, though xD
Always nice to listen to you Isaac, lovely video!
You're my favourite youtuber. So glad I found this chanel
WP: The ship accidentally puts the crew to sleep for billions of years. They wake up in another galaxy, with the Sun having already burnt out. However, the Ship has had lots of time to improve its intelligence and create wonderful inventions.
Doesn't it take many trillions, if not quadrillions, of years for a properly maintained Sun to burn out? Do you really think humanity would be so neglectful as to let the Sun die of its natural course of development? (See SFIA episode on Starlifting if you don't know what I'm talking about.)
@bryan diaz varela
Sun. Also known as Sol. The star of the Sol System, in which planet Earth is located. Only one Sun exists.
What you mean is a star, of which the Sun is one.
Also, scientists have good estimates, as much is known about the mechanisms that drive stars.
Ya Red Dwarf was hilarious but Holly didn’t invent much.
@bryan diaz varela Astrophysicists can extrapolate based on the observations made to date.
Ever since my (rather late) subscription, I have now had the pleasure of immersing myself in your excellent content. You have become the voice of my daily commutes which, rather neatly, take roughly half an hour each way.
I wanted to express my thanks somewhere, so this video (very loosely dealing with commuting in a way) seemed as good a place any. So thank you for your work!
It is highly appreciated!
"so a more appealing option would be to hit the pause button on the crews life´s so today we look at options how we gone do that"
i just love scifi and your channel in particular
Happy Isaac Arthursday and a Thanksgiving Everyone
Just in time to take a coffee a d a snack. Thank you Mr. Arthur.
1:48
spinning weed plants
ensure supply of pot for the arrival celebration
The idea of being killed by a time gradient is pretty dark. Imagine your feet slowly aging to look like a 100 year olds, the muscles wasting, bones becoming brittle and becoming tumourous before needing amputation.
Reminds me of the scene in the 2002 version of The Time Machine where the Morlock is wasting away because half of his body is hanging outside of the machine
Haven't seen it, is it worth watching?
@@infinitasalo472
One of Niven's ARM SF "detective" shorts has a character narrowly escape that fate. A more immediate fate than "aging" is that the limb is not receiving enough blood to oxygenate it if the body core is in a "slower" realm.
... Yeah, that happened in Alastair Reynolds' "Galactic North" story too. Also in that story, the protagonist, the Captain of the Cryo Sleeper ship was somehow mentally conditioned to behave with an overwhelming protective mother instinct over her sleeping cargo. That's my all-time fav story of the "Revelation Space" series by Reynolds.
@@JimGiant Yes it is. It was pretty good
Another great video! A couple of points:
1- The two main reasons for doing head-only ("neuro") cryosuspension instead of whole body are that it's cheaper and that it's easier to ensure complete perfusion of the cryoprotectants (different organs perfuse at different rates). I don't know that either one really applies to this use case. The perfusion problem has already been largely overcome, and it seems like the cost in mass and materials to include an entire body growing and head transplant system would outweigh the minimal savings.
2- Has anyone else here played the (free) Android game "Seedship"? It fits into the topic of this video perfectly, as you play as the AI managing a sleeper ship, trying to protect the passengers and find a suitable new home. For a relatively simple game, it's a lot of fun!
Looking forward to the new upgrades have a great new year Isaac
Drinks and the smell of cooking for me and the kiddo's. Happy Arthursday everyone!!
Happy Thanksgiving and Arthursday
Loved the Desktop Cryo-Experiment!!!
Same for you Mr Isaac
Happy Arthur Thursday and Happy Thanksgiving everyone. Imagine what a thanksgiving would be like in Martian gravity. Imagine the arguments people would have at the table
LoL. The breadstick and the pudding could finally be thrown right across the hall. Sweet!
Slams table, jumps from chair
And you could stomp down a corridor without much effort.
Lord Helmet likes your reference to ludicrous speed.
Isaac, your videos make my day and constantly inspire me. Thank you for all your hard work!
Thanks Allison!
haha it's thanksgiving man. lol you're allowed to take a break!
:) I am, turkey just went in the oven. Releasing the video only takes about half an hour, they generally get written 2 months out and produced a week or two before. I suppose replying to the comments is still technically work but probably my favorite part after the writing portion.
Isaac Arthur my thanksgiving got cancelled can I come by?
Isaac Arthur jk about coming by I’m in St.louis although if you cook it slow it might still be warm bye the time I could make it to Ohio.
and all the genius energies diluted,,,NO,,,,pls ,,, no melting in gravey
Happy Thanksgiving Arthur.
Awesome video! I have been waiting for you to cover this for a while now!
also 18:40 AYY LMAO
"Sleep and his Half-brother Death" Good night sleep tight don't let the xenomorph bite...
You're a living wonder of the internet, Isaac. Never stop.
For those of you interested in cryonics or being cryopreserved after you "deanimate", I'd like to let you know that whole body cryopreservation is still rather common and not significantly more expensive.
The other thing is that it's likely cheaper than you might expect, more akin to luxury car. Most people use life insurance that pays out to the cryonics organization to pay for it and the remainder can be paid out to survivors, donated or placed in a trust fund that can be used in the future. If you are reasonably healthy, that insurance likely only costs a few quantum cheeseburgers a month.
Full disclosure, I work for and am a member of the American Cryonics Society and I recommend them to anyone interested. Call or email us, there’s no commitment needed. Personally, I hope life extension happens first and we make it to the future the long way, but there’s no reason to not have some insurance to make sure you get there.
Happy Thanksgiving!
Alcor member here. I was skimming the comments to see if any other cryonicists were commenting. You guys are doing great work!
Key food on Sleeper Ships: Turkey 🦃 with tryptophan 😴😴😴😂😂😂
I'm kicking myself for not making a turkey/trpytophan reference now :)
hahahahah. Ludacris speed. they've gone plaid.
Happy thanksgiving all!
Awesome episode as usual. Also, just casually saying, "We'll discuss options like that later on in the series..." always makes me impatient for the next episode.
Love your channel and the high quality of your episodes. Cheers Isaac!
I prefer the "forever war" method:
-Point in the right direction
-Hit 50G's
What is the forever war method sir
I am really taking a liking to this Clarketech idea.
Thanks for uploading, and happy thanksgiving everyone!
Happy Thanksgiving everybody!
This channel is the non-fiction version of Alastair Reynolds. I love it.
Hey guys, SFIA episode. Let's go
You should have gotten a Casper mattress sponsorship before doing this episode.
Ha true!
Yours is the best channel out there, truly. Thank you.
@9:54 Build a"Welcome city". So that the travelers have a point of reference, before choosing REintergration back into their NEW society.
really enjoyed this episode thanks Isaac
Wow! This is a really fascinating subject! Thanks Arthur and the Team :-)
Another way to get humans to a distant planet/galaxy would be to have fully AI controlled ships make the journey without a human crew, which then grow people from a dna store once the planet has been prepared for them.
You Issac happy thanksgiving buddy.I want to tell you since I discovered your
Channel I have been so happy. When ever I get a notification from you I literally jump out of my skin I’m so excited. Keep up
The awesome work bud.
Happy Thanksgiving Issac! Thanks for another awesome video!
1% work
99% sleep
What more could I dream of?
*HAPPY THANKSGIVING ISAAC! :)*
I do love me some Sleeperships, always have.
So happy, is Arthurday!
so informational. great job Issac
Happy Thanksgiving and Arthursday!! What a combo!! Going deep on the snacks today!! Thank you Isaac !!
Might I recommend Stephen King's relevant short story The Jaunt. It can be found in The Skeleon Crew, or maybe even enterprising internet searches... It's very nearly public domain at this point.
happy thanksgiving to Issac Arthur!!
You too Daniel!
Prepare ship for light speed.
No, no, no, light speed is too slow.
...Yes, we're gonna have to go right to ludicrous speed!
The teleporter trick was used by Scotty in Next Generation XD
Yep the episode "Relics"
Great episode.
16:15 "Which would imply a decent chance any frozen crew woken up for routine maintenance activities might just be activated, body or brain still frozen but conscious and piloting a robot." That is a _Glorious_ mental image. Thank you for this. Riggers represent!
It's Isaac, my evening has been saved :D
If I ever end up frozen, please inscribe this Lovecraft quote on my cryogenic storage dewar: "That is not dead which can eternal lie. And with strange aeons even death may die."
Great video as always
My kinda-sorta motto for writing (never got to really get off with it besides writing homebrew campaigns for a roleplaying group) science fiction comes up again: What i know, destroys what i want.
The Alaskan wood frog freezes solid every winter then thaws alive and well in the spring. These frogs have rates of glucose and urea in their blood.
You know I actually find Isaac's voice fairly soothing even if he has a lisp or whatever it is. Doesn't bother me, just makes me think he from a diff part of the world. (haha, aren't we all?!)
Guys, if your hibernation machine fails before reaching Tau Ceti e and you wake up way too early, would you awake someone in the spaceship in order to have company? (like in the movie 'Passengers')
Or like Red Dwarf?
Like in the movie I would probably try to stop myself from doing it, but eventually I would wake some hot Scarlet up to kepp me company. I think most ppl would definitely do it due to loneliness.
Allen Steels' book Coyote has this. Not on the way to Tau Ceti but a passenger wakes up.
I would put shaving cream on their hand and tickle their nose...
And wait and wait and wait... chuckling to myself of the reaction... in 100 years!
What would really suck is having some sick bastard who loved raping people while they are drugged out be the one to wake up. Basically its party time for a few decades as far as they are concerned.
I'll tell you what,
I always like seeing the clip of the bud spinning in the spacestation.
Nothing like getting high, way up high...
Get so excited when I see Mr Arthur has a a new video.
Happy Arthursday everyone!
I find literally every episode of your show incredible, including this one, but for *some reason* found it very hard to stay awake!
Absolutely Love the very scientific experiement with Han Solo! :D
Space piracy will be awesome.
The crew are literally asleep and the ship is travelling slowly at a predictable path.
The poor space pirates, might sleep past a given target!
Or go to sleep, only to wake up and find that they too have been robbed!
If that happens, the space pirates will probably be robots. Human space pirates would need to use cold sleep themselves, just as much as their victims.
@@zeekfromthecreek
They could be digitized humans in robotic bodies.
Speaking of which, I keep thinking it has to be possible somehow to get digitized without having to copy yourself, leaving behind a sad meatbag that hoped to be the copy that gets to be digital. Like gradually replacing parts of your brain until you're fully digital. Or spreading your consciousness out among multiple bodies, so each body is redundant to your true, full self, so you can remove any bodies that use biological computational components until you're fully digital.
@@theuncalledfor
I wouldn't want to be fully digital; human bodies may be fragile, but I would not like the idea that someone could suddenly 'pull my plug' without any foreknowledge, awareness, or power to prevent it.
Then again, looking at distributed computing and storage IT in use now, I wonder if AI would even have the same kind of awareness and consciousness we do...
So no, I will openly consider being genetically enhanced, or cyborged, or both, but no digital transference for me.
@@HuntingTarg
How would someone pull the plug on a body you own, that has its own power supply and mobility? It would be like trying to pull the plug on your actual fleshy body.
And unless you're the first person to undergo the procedure, you'd know in advance, from many other people's experience, how different their awareness is.
And your body could be anything. Even an independent space vessel with solar panels and batteries and maybe a backup nuclear reactor, as well as mining and auto-repair systems.
Wow, talk about mind expanding ! In one of your films you mentioned the book by Robert Heinlein "Orphans of th Sky", so out of interest I bought the book. My copy was printed in 1965... It is a wonderful Sci Fi novel, and amazingly it also speaks of a liability with ONeil cylinder ships that take generations to transit between the stars. I read the book as a boy, and reading it again as a pensioner now with space travel becoming a reality, my mind boggles!!!! It is a lovely tale. :-). Keep up your mind-stretching work. :-). :-)
Amazing episode
Just like the old days, you have a few too many Rums, accidentally sign up or get signed up for a venture and wake up with a headache too far from port to leave the vessel. If there aren't enough people choosing to join up, history proves, ways and means will be found.
why do I immediately imagine some kind of derelict drifting ship which harbors some kind of unspeakable biohazard when I hear the term ''sleeper ship''
Subliminal association with the term "sleeper cell"?
well...maybe it wasn't a accident....
various deep space stories use it as a sub of the "sleeper agent" trope.
Because people fear what they don't understand plain and simple.
Hope everyone is having a good Thanksgiving. I know I am. And now that S.F.I.A. is on, its even better.
Everyone is very unlikely. I'm from Europe. (And a lot of Isaacs viewers are from outside the USA.) We don't have Thanksgiving. I however am looking forward to Sinterklaas.
Robert Phoenix I am Native American and German. My grandfather's parents were born in Germany and my grandmother was 1st gen Native American and French. We have always celebrated it. I do realize some of the audience is not from the states. Hope everyone had a great day anyway.
@@mikelfunderburk5912 To be honest I don't even know what the exact date of thanksgiving is. I only know it's somewhere in november or something. So can't really say if I had a great day on the actual date ;)
(Same thing with Halloween. Also something that is traditionally not celebrated over here. Though candy companies and the like are trying to push it through. Like they did with valentines day. Which also wasn't a thing over here when I was a teen and still a lot of people don't do anything special on that day.)
Robert Phoenix Indeed, they are both marketing gimmicks in the U.S. along with xmas. All pegan in origin with a twist of Catholics thrown in. Melting pot at Its finest. lol
As always, very interesting topcis that I usually think about but cant find anything about elsewere. Love it :)
Amazing video once again!
This channel is so goddamned awesome.
Another great episode Isaac! So many possibilities to uncover. Until we uncover them all let's tell ourselves some nice bedtime stories.
Happy thanksgiving Isaac!
Man I wish I had the temperament to write a book. I'm stuck just daydreaming and scribbling interesting notes and concepts down all over the place.
That's not keeping you from writing a story, it's step one to writing a story.
I just bought survicing mars and one of my first 12 colonists where named Isaac Arthur.
Refrigeration changed trade and the supply of food. In New Zealand we could send lamb, beef and diary products to the UK. The 1st shipment was done in 1882.
Always awesome!
Can't wait for the Methuselah ships episode. I firmly believe that we'll have practical life extension long before viable interstellar travel. Hell, transhumanism is practically needed for all the mega projects discussed on the channel. At the very least they go hand in hand. Issac kind of alluded to this in the episode on Purpose and others.
He gave us one extra episode, and now my schedule is completely thrown off and every episode feels like an extra episode.
Happy Arthanksgivingursday!
For interstellar travel if FTL proves impossible, I would imagine the digital preservation of neural networks with either the operation of android avatars by simulated consciousness or the bioprinting of new organic bodies when needed. This also allows for a simulated digital crew to monitor the ships status and decide which options to take.
Note, presumably you mentioned hydrogen sulfide to reference Roth's work on mice hibernation. First, there's no evidence that hibernation slows or stops aging, Roth continued with an analog which I believe was Sodium Sulfide but unfortunately with little success and lowering our body temperature subjects us to fungal attacks, never mind genetic degradation to cosmic radiation so hibernation may be of little use in interstellar travel.
Isaac, people talk about terraforming Mars, but never wonder if we could do it by hitting Pluto into Mars. In my head, it would bring all we ever needed: water, heat to the core, a new atmosphere and perhaps even a new magnectic field. Do you thing it could be done? If so, how? Have a great weekend!
Best youtuber hands down !