Woman with service cat says she was 'hassled' over pet stroller
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- Опубліковано 9 лют 2015
- There is a debate going on between the North County Transit District and Tracy Baxter, who owns what she calls her "service cat."
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I think this is an Emotional Support Animal rather than a service animal.
same thing
@@yellowmellow4753 Not the same thing. ESAs are not protected in public.
Haven sad
@@yellowmellow4753 no it's not
Haven is right - Emotional Support Animals do not have the same recognition and rights as Service Animals. What is SAD is that there are idiots out there who try to call their dogs as 'service animals' and they are obviously NOT...they're the ones that mess it up for the persons who have valid service dogs.
For strollers with children, it is federal law that the stroller has to be folded and stowed and you hold the child. This is not only for the safety of the child, but also other passengers and even people and vehicles outside the bus (not if, but when people let go of the stroller and it goes crashing up the aisle into other people, and other people's things, it could cause an accident).
By requiring her to fold the stroller, they did not deny her access -- she could put a harness and leash on the cat and still ride. Or have the cat in a carrier that can lift out of the stroller.
The cat is an ESA under the Ada there isn't any service "cat"
leave the lady and her kitty alone! how petty have we gotten as a culture
This is NOT a petty issue, Dana! It could put a service dogs handlers life in danger! in case you haven't noticed, cats and don't get along in most cases.
Jebediah Dewmist it's in a stroller .. it's not going to hurt anyone and she needs her cat just like people need their service dogs thats like taking away her service dog except she has a cat she needs it to get around your being insensitive dogs aren't the only animals in the world she's not going to stop taking her car with her just because someone might have a dog the probability of her even encountering a service dog in public is very unlikely also she has reasons to have her car with her she has anxiety and depression what more can I say
+TheCatsMeow PrettyHorses. The American With Disabilities Act STATES/RECOGNIZES ONLY DOGS AS SERVICE ANIMALS! NOT CATS!!! Cats do not have public access! Now, with that being said, the state or city can extend the ADA law stating that cats, rats or turtles or any other animal can be "service animals!" But, I don't see that happening anytime soon. Again, a cat is a natural enemy to a dog. This could be a grave danger to a "Service Dog Team!!!" So, this leads me to a bit of advice for you; If you desperately NEED a "service animal," then procure a dog and train him yourself for what u need and leave the cat at home!
+Linette Styles. A CAT IS NOT COVERED UNDER ADA LAW!!! Doesn't really matter what you think! The cat is an ESA!!! IT DOES NOT HAVE PUBLIC ACCESS!!! ONLY DOGS OR MINIATURE HORSES THAT ARE TRAINED TO LITIGATE A PERSON'S DISIBILIITY HAVE PUBLIC ACCESS!!! CRAP! What the hell is SOOOO hard to understand!!! And if this cat is a "service animal" what task does it perorm inside that idiotic stroller? This is an ESA! If the woman has a note from her doctor, tells me it's a ESA! And the fact she carries it with her and has no problem showing it, tells me it's an ESA! AAAAND, you can tell by the way she carries herself, she's got a problem that a ESA would be beneficial to her. And that's great! But the cat is NOT, a "service animal" by definition.
+Linette Styles. And furthermore, NE along with other SERVICE DOG handlers, spend hours upon hours and money to train our SERVICE DOGS so that they can be a lifeline for us. And that is also a factor! I guess if you're not a service dog handler or understand a disability, then I guess I can understand your ignorance on the subject.
Even in states where cats can be service animals (ADA law only covers dogs & miniature horses across all 50 states, but individual states can broaden the law in that state, so there are some states where service cats are legal), that cat is NOT a service animal. Legally, it’s an ESA, which do NOT have public access rights. A service animal MUST be trained to do specific tasks; “helping you cope” with anxiety/depression is NOT a task. I’ve seen service cats who are actually trained to not only behave like any service dog would, but who are also task-trained to do things like blood sugar level alerts for diabetic individuals, or deep pressure therapy, etc. Those are REAL service animals, not this. People need to learn the laws & differences.
I dont get it... do these British and therefore American "Gentlemen" think that it's somehow lame/rude to bring your animal companion with you wherever you go?
Like why is it considered rude to bring your pet to any "grand"/formal gathering?
I don't get this man... its seriously messed up.
I guess, because of people with allergies.
She's not a service cat she's a ESA
Her cat is blind
@@suzyra1212 which is exactly why it can't be a service animal.
Meh. Even if it's just a regular cat and not a service animal, just let the lady stroll her cat around as long as it sits calmly and is contained in the stroller. My only concern is people with severe allergies.
Maybe people might be allergic to the cat
Agreed
The ADA does not allow cats as service animals, which a lot of people have brought up. It's also mentioned at the end of the video, in case anyone is confused.
Something else worth mentioning is that a big reason a stroller needs to be folded is to leave the wheelchair bags open for wheelchairs.
I have a service dog and use a wheelchair at times and I appreciate the transit company enforcing the rules.
I feel for the woman with the cat. I hope she is able to figure out the law so she can find ways to function while following the law. It looks like her misunderstanding of her rights is causing her unneeded anxiety. She isn't being discriminated against. Her cat is not protected under the ADA and it must be stressing her to believe it is.
I also have a service dog and I’ve see someone being in parrots cats you name it I’ve seen it into stores they attacked my service dog they were sued I’m afraid to go in public now stores need to reinforce their rules and the federal law
@@MissPeyton8 i’m so sorry that sucks that your service dog got attacked. i have a service dog in training and he’s almost been attacked at (he’s been lunged at,barked at, etc by other fake service dogs but not attacked yet) i think schools should start teaching stuff about service dogs so then people know how to treat them and know it’s not ok to fake one
Cat suppost to be emotional support animal
It might be. Emotional support animals can't go where pets aren't allowed though. Sometimes people confuse emotional support animals with service dogs. The rules are different.
ESAs are helpful, but trying to bring them where they aren't allowed will cause stress.
ADA says cats are not service animals. Her cat is an ESA an no covered by ADA law
it's legal in some states, but in canada cats can be service animals
@@vaselinejrk in Canada they can
no they are not - if the state gives them that designation that is different but the ADA is a federal law.@@susycarreon1772
@@kyliebohach3966 What states? Tell me 1 state. This bitch in the video lives in California. CALIFORNIA DOES NOT ALLOW CATS TO BE A SERVICE ANIMAL.
@@susycarreon1772 NOT IN THE USA NO
She has her cat in a stroller when she gets on a bus--The bus wants her to fold the stroller and put it under the seat. So you'd rather the cat be loose on the bus?!?! What idiots! You'd think that an animal loose on the bus is the last thing a bus driver would want!
exactly,theyre stupid
I think they are more afraid if the bus driver makes a rough stop the stroller on animal can fly through the windsheild, that is why they want babies out of the stroller and on the person's lap or next to the person.
You're always required to fold a stroller on a bus, you're suppose to have it folded already when the bus approaches. Also cats are NOT service animals. You might never see a service miniature horse because they're rare but there's plenty service dogs. Also you can spot a fake service dog, real service dogs are always calm, always stay at their owners side, never bark at other dogs, never pull on a leash they're focused on their owner. Only service animals are allowed access to no pet places, not emotional support animals.
crazycatlady39 don't be getting mad. It's FAKE
Saya..In some states cats are service animals..
AN👏EMOTIONAL👏SUPPORT👏ANIMAL👏IS👏NOT👏A👏SERVICE👏ANIMAL👏
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Yes they can. For example I have severe PTSD and my Emotional support cat senses PTSD attacks. In very rare cases, but they can.
If the cat is on the ladies lap, it might get scared and run off. A baby will not run off. I sick and tired of all these damn laws that interfere with peoples lives.
Wow yes let's let people break the federal law
That Be Really Stupid Ideas To Do But Out Of Control Cat 🐈
Service animals are defined as dogs that are individually trained to do work or perform tasks for people with disabilities. Examples of such work or tasks include guiding people who are blind, alerting people who are deaf, pulling a wheelchair, alerting and protecting a person who is having a seizure, reminding a person with mental illness to take prescribed medications, calming a person with Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) during an anxiety attack, or performing other duties. Service animals are working animals, not pets. The work or task a dog has been trained to provide must be directly related to the person’s disability. Dogs whose sole function is to provide comfort or emotional support do not qualify as service animals under the ADA.
I love your Standard poodle. I have a standard poodle as my fully task trained service dog.
My Spoo is also fully task trained
ADA does not accept any other species other than dogs and mini horses as service animals.
people..even if the cat isnt a service pet..why tf does it matter? as long as the pet in cotained its fine. its a cat in a stroller,it isnt hurting anyone
Because then people start to think well if she can take her cat why can't I take my little dog or big dog. They are not trained to handle all that is going on out in public,the noise, lots of people, kids grabbing them.and how to not act up when there is a SD there. If people want to take there pet out to stores and it attacks a SD that person is looking at a very big fine. That SD is protected by Federal law.
In addition to the snowballing issue pointed out by Shirley Foltz already, an untrained pet being taken out in public may cause much greater stress for that animal. Most animals, dogs, cats, and otherwise, are not prepared to deal with public access, even if they are confined to a stroller. Further, it's cruel to the animal to keep it in a stroller for a majority of the day since all animals do need a decent amount of exercise. It is also a health hazard, and in violation of the FDA if she brings it into any place which serves or prepares food, including restaurants and delis. The FDA makes an exception to that part of the law in order to allow service dogs and service minis to enter with their handlers, but that's it. Having a non-service dog, non-service mini animal in a restaurant or deli during an inspection could result in severe repercussions for the business involved as it's their duty to deny access to people with pets, companion animals, ESAs, etc.
SAMMIsLIFE but it distracts our working dogs and there our peaple like me which my blood sugar drops if he doesn't alert because of someone who clams this is my service cat or brings a pet it is life treating that's why it's illegal
Well actually, it does hurt someone. If you haven't noticed that cats and dogs are natural enemies. Even though a service dog may not go after the cat in a public setting it could detract the service dog and the dog may not be completely focused on the handler therefore putting the handler at risk!! Also, an ESA is NOT task trained!!! Why should I spend 20,000$ so that I can have a piece of medical equipment (ie, service dog), and countless hours of training with the dog when all I have to do is buy any kind of non-task trained animal which has no medical benefits to the person other than it being present. It's crap when people make the claim their pet is a service animal just so they can bring them in public places.....Rediculous!!!
Service cats can be real yes. And I support them If they have a local government that allows the pa. But her government does not. So she is breaking the law. Her cat is not task trained unlike some actual service cats I've seen. She is hurting the rep of other service animals
It considered a emotional support animals. Service animals serve to help illness even ones you can't seen on the outside warned. So like potts and ptsd because it can harm the person or anyone around them.
If that cat were truely a service animal it would be trained to walk on a leash or just heel. Not in a stroller .. That's an esa. Only covered when moving and riding in a plane
She need to look on the ada on the internet and there is no service cat more of ESA let her cat escape it be her problem and her fault
Service animals can only be miniature horses and dogs, and not only that but the cat must be trained to preform a task, so there for that animal is an E. S. A.
Canada has different rules and cats can be service animals but a service cat would be walking... not in a stroller... cats can be a medical alert.. there's a medical alert cat on youtube
Um in some states it is legal to have a service cat as long as it mitigates a disability it's not covered my federal law but in some states it's covered by state law. In states that don't allow it that cat would be a ESA.
The ADA does NOT recognize cats as valid service animals...so while I can empathize with her wanting to bring kitty along, she has to comply with policies and rules of business and services she visits. Nice try but massive FAIL.
Only in Canada
Wrong some states do in fact acknowledge service cats. She has an ESA and wants to feel privileged. If that was a service cat she would be required to have it trained to a leash
@@intelthebrain94 I did not know that lol I thought only dogs and miniature horses
@@Yoongisgreyhairs_ for a long time it was but cats have shown they can detect the same things dogs can and can be temper trained
Maybe do some research before stating things like this, service cats are legal in certain states in America and in places in Canada.
ADA DOES NOT recognize any other animal but DOGS, as service animals! With that being said, local entities can extend the law and include other species of animals as service animals....but ONLY then! If you claim that your cat or any other animal is a service animal, then you are breaking federal law!
And miniature horses in some situations.
Jebediah Dewmist you’re a true fucking moron if you think the us is the only country
Cory 666 When did he say that lmao
And Minature horses
I find it shitty for a horse to be allowed but not a cat.
Why is that a thing?
because some stupid uneducated idiot made the law of only dogs and horses being seen as legal service animals in most parts of america. it definitely should be changed to fit all animals as long as they fit the standards of what a service animal is of course, (has to be task trained, housebroken and under control)
The bus isn't required to allow the cat aboard if their policy isn't to allow cats onboard. Period. They are already granting this woman a privilege if (like my local bus system) they don't allow cats HOWEVER I see this is in San Diego and I believe locality law allows ESA's to have access rights so the cat is likely allowed to ride and have access with the woman. I think it may also be reasonable to allow her to leave the stroller alongside her as she states she has a physical issue keeping her from collapsing the stroller.
ADA doesn't cover "service cats". Cats are not service animals. That is an ESA and it does not have public access rights, it doesn't matter how many letters she gets.
Nikki Cantrell I was about to comment that. Yes. ESA's (Emotional Support Animals) are completely different from Service dogs.
Small dogs can be service dogs. Often as diabetic shock alert or seizure alert dogs.
I know :v I currently have a service dog.
The ADA doesn't cover it, but individual states can. We would have to look into her state laws to see what they cover.
Tbh the ADA shouldn't be species specific. People who need a service animal should never be denied one just because of what kind of pet it is. There are service cats that detect seizures and blood sugar levels, and other species used as well. It's Ludacris to be prejudice against certain service animals.
The ADA certainly SHOULD be specific about which animals should and should not be service animals. Stop while you're ahead.
Yeah no. ESAs are not task-trained to mitigate a disability. And service animals are NOT abused. Get a life and get your teeth straight.
Her Cat Will Be Out Of Control At Anytimes Inside Of The Bus Even In The Airport And In The Airplane
Nope only Montana, Oregon, North Dakota, North Carolina, Mississippi, Indiana, Alaska, South Carolina, Tennessee, and West Virginia allow service cats.
I'm looking to buy a pet stroller, so I can take my cats to the vet easily, on the bus. Thankfully where I live, I am allowed to take my pets on the bus in a stroller, just like I can take a child on the bus in a stroller. Long ago public transportation here used to request strollers be folded, until they got smart and realized that it was more risk for babies and that rule was changed.
Whether the cat is a service animal or not, this woman should be allowed to transport her pet on a bus in it's stroller. Bylaw here, cats must be transported in a kennel and this is this woman's kennel.
What state are you in that allows strollers not to be folded on the bus, I know in San Diego public transportation you are supposed to fold the stroller for safety reasons.
Noone wants your stinking cats on the bus
If Driver Say Yes Or No Even That Stroller Will Roll Over In The Bus Causing Bus Gets Into Accident Not Safe Ideas
@@chrisdobrowolski2783 You Want Your Stroller To Roll Over In The Bus It Is Not Smart Ideas Once This Bus Has Accidents And Everybody Will End Up At The Emergency Room Waiting It's Really Dumb To Have That Stroller And Causing To Hurt Everybody In The Bus
cat's don't need to be required under law to need a law to be able to roam with their human friend in a stroller!!
But they do when going into public establishments...
lily kathryn smith California and the county and city she live's in doesn't allow cats as a service animal.
Service cats are only protected in Ontario Canada this is an esa
Yes
Incorrect, a few states permit them as well
Maya the Psychiatric Service Dog it’s not Recognized by the ADA so therefore they could have a lot of access problems I don’t know if this is true the state permits but state does not overrule federal law
@@servicedogzeki9490 yes and no, state law can supercede federal law when it grants more rights than federal law permits. This is how some states allow additional animals other than dogs and miniature horses. The ADA states this as well. You go with whatever governing body has the most freedom. In my case of texas both state law and federal law only permit dogs and mini horses but other states also permit other species.
Wrong, I'm in Nova Scotia and we have provincial ID for service animals to weed out the fakes. It's mandatory. It's pretty much exactly like a normal photo ID but for your service animal lmao. Would be pretty fun to go to a bar or something and flash both XD
sorry but even when you have a kid you have to close up the stroller and then take your kid out
For one no service animals in stollers
2 Only dogs and Mini horses are in the ADA as service animals
3 even if cats could be service animals that cat is sick. its eyes are bad and very glossy and grayed over and would not be able to "work"
and 4 that cat is an ESA NO PUBLIC ACCESS!! IT IS NOT TASK TRAINED AND SHOULD NOT BE IN PUBLIC!
I HAVE A SERVICE ANIMAL ITS THE LAW
Service animals must be ON THE FLOOR or in the ARMS of the handler. That cat is SICK and the FEDERAL LAW only covers DOG AND HORSES FOR PUBLIC WORK. they must preform TASKS for the DISABLED HANDLER
No im not Look at the ADA service animal laws! and the California Service animal Laws. Sorry Hun but cats dont fly. ESA animals do not be long in public
What ever i know the laws. have had an ESA and now a highy trained Service animal. but you a person who hasnt even read the laws. are correct you the person illegally bring a ESA into stores.
Your Doctor doesn't do the Laws
Are emotional support, therapy, comfort, or companion animals considered service animals under the ADA?
A. No. These terms are used to describe animals that provide comfort just by being with a person. Because they have not been trained to perform a specific job or task, they do not qualify as service animals under the ADA
A service animal is a dog that is individually trained to do work or perform tasks for a person with a disability.
Literally a cat in a stroller. Wow big threat there...
Wow I love how people hate to follow the law to keep every one safe BT dubs @ yee Chinese you might want to educate your self on this topic
@Suzy Ra at least a cat isn't capable of killing someone like a dog is
@@suttagi wanna make a bet? I had a regular run of the meal house cat. Whom ended up attacking me for just walking past him. I ended up with almost 200 stitches from him. He kept leaping for my throat. If he'd gotten there he could have ended up killing me. Don't ever underestimate what a cat can & can't do as far as harming you. He had to be put down & tested for rabies. Luckily he didn't have it.
@@DedraAmbroseandSnow did you die though? no? my statement still stands then. there have been thousands if not millions of deaths by dogs, i highly doubt the number of being killed by cats is as high as dogs. dogs are much more dangerous and much more likely to kill you than a cat
@@suttagi bull shit dogs are only as dangerous as the morons who don't have a clue how to properly train as well as socialize them. I had a cousin who almost died from a cat scratch. Because he caught cat scratch fever. Yea I didn't die. I could have. Damn idiots who think they know every damn thing. Smh at the idiocracy
It warms my heart that this news channel cared enough to cover his story
But she's wrong?
If this was a service cat it would be on a leash not in a stroller
Cats are not reginoized under re ADA law.
As for leash and or vest .under the ADA neither are actually required either .
It’s only dog and a miniature horse are service animal only there is no such a think of service cat there is nobody that ever bring a cat inside the bus if people are allergic to the cat or getting into an accident it’s not nobody fault only fault is bring in the cat that is out of control that be cat owner fault
@@suzyra1212 ok one: I never said it was a service cat, you would know that if u could read. 2: I have no idea what you’re saying I almost had a seizure reading that. 3: guess what people are allergic to dogs too!!! 😲😮🤭😵😳
@@cat_luver16 Service Animal Has a Right Not Cat Only Dog And Miniature Horse Are A Service Animal Her Cat Is Emotional Suppost Animal I Don’t See Nobody Bring That Cat And It Is illegal To Do That Dog And Miniature Horse That Wears A Service Dog Vest Only That Allowed Public Place If Cat Escape And Causing Accident If You Were To Bring That Cat Like Hers If You Get Into Bus Accident Because Of Cat That Would Be Sucks By Both Really Bad Read ADA It Is A Law To Bring Unwanted Cat That Only Staying Outside Like Who Would Bring Cat Only Dog And Horse Only Ones That Is Well Behavior Animal And Cat In The Stroller Thinks It’s A Service Animal I Don’t Think So And When Did That Happen Nothing That Cat Can’t Even Save A Life
@@suzyra1212 you don’t need to capitalize every word, also if someone is allergic to a dog then what? And how is a horse gonna help you it doesn’t even have toes?
Thanks for bringing you’re pet into public places and giving service cats a bad name :)💕
IN THE USA NO SUCH DAMN THING
@@DedraAmbroseandSnow actually service cats are permitted in some states, state laws cover any holes that the ADA does not, when in doubt, always go with whichever law permits more things, thats how it works. My state and possibly yours doesnt recognize service cats but some states do recognize them. Please dont jump to conclusions based on limited knowledge and thoroughly research info especially info that pertains directly to the story you are referencing. Thats why state laws exist, to protect individuals within that state from federal infringement on personal rights.
@@Inciliusnebulifer only 1 state allows any animal to be a service animal except for Kangaroos that is Wisconsin. I've looked.
@@DedraAmbroseandSnow oregon apparently recognizes service cats too
IN THE DAMN USA THERES NO SERVICE CAT SO STOP FAKKNG YO DAM PETS
That is kind of weird to put a cat in a stroller but.. IT LOOKS SO CUTE IN THERE..
Keep fighting! For your cat! These cat haters will try to make up new rules everytime!!!
One of the service animal "rules" is four on the floor. A service animal must be walking at all times unless they are needed to be held close to the face or heart for medical reasons. This is definitely an emotional support animal, and does not have public access.
what if it's a parrot? bit difficult for four on the floor when they only have two legs haha
@Bos Fla the only small dogs that can be carried are dogs that NEED to be carried for their alert purposes, like diabetes or epilepsy alert dogs.
@Bos Fla and this cat isn't being carried, it's in a stroller. it can't alert anything from a stroller.
THANK TOU ABOUT TIME SOMEONE UNDERSTANDS!!
@@suttagi there’s only service dogs and Minature horses no parrots :/
For anyone going off on this lady about ADA and service cats are only ESAs, state laws allow additional animal species in certains states, so its up to that state to dictate what types of animals are allowed as SAs. In my state of texas only dogs and mini horses are accepted, however in a few states such as oregon cats are also accepted as service animals under state law. Imnot certain as to the laws in california where this woman lives but if her state permits cats then yes her cat can absolutely be a service animal. Service cats are definetely a thing that need to become more accepted in the SD community. Just because you or your state doesnt accept them doesnt make them any less valid in their state.
Hey if i ever bring my service cat on the bus they better let me !
@Sara Allison in Ontario Canada you can have cats,dogs an mintrue horses
@Sara there are other places other than the us lmao
Gabbycat17 You want other people to get scratches by a cat and into an accidents even take off by itself if you lost your cat it be your own fault nobody gonna find your cat anymore
Where does she live so I can have a minature horse on a bus with her on it
she lives in California they do not allow cats
Any state permits mini horses under the ADA not just certain states
@@Inciliusnebulifer yes but not cats. Only 1 allows cats
Cats can be service animals but they are not recognized
But can cat handle with person with seizure or diabatic or passout or mobility issues and balance issues too i don't think so
@@suzyra1212 I agree that cats are extremely limited in assisting disabled people, but so are dogs that are small that are still service animals that are recognized by the ADA. A small mutt wouldn’t be able to help its owner with mobility or weight bearing because of their size and neither could cats, but small service dogs are valid and legal so are cats they’re just not recognized by the ADA
@@haleyrodriguezdabomb1607 Cat can’t help if that cat is in the stroller but cat is more of emotional support animal to me
service cats aren’t real service animals, they are emotional support animals
only a dog can be a service animal
You realize merca isn't the only country? They're legal in Canada
I don't see why people are actually taking her side for this Ada laws clearly state cats are not labeled as a service animal sorry but cats can't be real service animals and aren't allowed in public so the bus driver was right you can't have a service cat you can only service dogs and miniature horses can be actual service animals so the service cat is not real.
Cats can be service animals if task trained and if you live in a state where they are recognized by the law
That's an emotional support animal, not a service animal. A service animal is trained to perform lifesaving tasks, and hence are allowed everywhere their handler is by law. Emotional support animals, as this woman stated, provide emotional comfort, but don't perform a task and don't require special training. You are not legally allowed to bring an emotional support animal anywhere normal pets are not allowed, with a few exceptions. The bes had every right to tell her she could not have her cat therr.
the are no service cats, there are not even emotional support cats, she is not covered. My cat is MY emotional support, he helps me relax at the end of a bad day, but wouldnt take him on the bus with me. I work in emergency services, and I have seen some things if I were of a weaker disposition I would have screaming nightmares, but I dont. Get the laws straight madam, you are NOT covered and the bus has every right to tell you so!!
@Bos Fla check your own ADA law, it says dogs and horses, not cats, goannas bats or anything else
@Bos Fla yes and they are not covered by the law and still not allowed
@Bos Fla I did check ADA ammendment 2010
@Loulou Bos yes but only dogs and mini horses can be registered as such
@Tiny Princess depends on where in the world you are, maybe the US doesnt, but MY home does!!!!! And emotional support animals are NOT covered by the law!
thats sad i lovd cats
*Some person replying to people who are offended over the idea of cats being service animals*
Y'all: "sErViCe CaTs aReNt ReCoGnIzEd By AdA"
Yes most of us know that we're talking about worldwide, countries don't have the same laws you know. Like we are trying to reply to people saying that cats being service animals is ridiculous, but people are just....
no it's not a service animal only dogs and miniature horses go to ada.gov cats are only ESA's sorry but it's federal law because any untrained or other animals distract our working dogs please look at federal law
xSimaniax actually cats are service animals as well look them up dumb ass
They can make an exception. Service cats exist. However it looks like she has an ESA because that cat would know how to walk on a leash without getting easily distracted, and would be wearing a vest.
It's an ESA
Service Cat?! HaHaHa!
If your animal is needed for a service, how can it do its job in a stroller?
@Suzy Ra dogs are much more dangerous and much more likely to harm or even kill a human than any cat.
@Tiny Princess I have a seizure alert dog. I carry him in places like airport. He gets stepped on and kicked. They give me hell every time.
service ANIMALS, Im pretty sure dogs and miniature horses are not the only animals in the world, but I do understand laws tho. so I can understand where people on both sides of this are coming from.
The nay comments are pure ignorance...first the cat is controlled in the stroller...notice the zippered screening to keep him from getting out. The stroller is less of a nuisance than teens with 40 pound back packs that ride the bus everyday. Have you ever tried to exit a bus with five of these back packs blocking your way. Not easy, but being their parents are 'taxpayers' they get the privilege.
Problem is the City / State want us to use public transit but haven't learned how to deal with the needs public....I can climb on with six full shopping bags, as long as my bags don't take a seat the inconvenience to others is ignored. Six people can get on board the bus...two in extreme need of deodorant, (that insist on standing) another two are Carlyle sick, sneezing & coughing then wiping their dripping noses with their sleeves, the other two are talking so loud my ears hurt. But a cat totally housed and under the owners control is told to 'strollers' have to be folded? ? ?
why would you ever want to put a cat or pet though public access with hundreds of strangers all over them and asking questions constantly. You guys make it seem like people want to be forced to medically NEED a helper at all times. its like saying "I wish i was in a Wheelchair" You think i Want my dog with me ALL. THE. TIME. i cant go out to my car without her. i cant make a quick run to the store because im stopped every two feet my screaming ADULTS and kids all over my Highly Trained MEDICAL EQUIPMENT.
I can't think of a handler myself included that would love nothing more then to have just one day to go to the stores,lunch ,movies and all other things people take for granted without having to take your dog with you.
Service Dog Team Daisy And Ash I completely understand. Sometimes I wish my dog didn't exist and I remember those days when I'd scream to my parents that I wanted to be like every other kid. But you gotta enjoy those good times with your service dog.. I wouldn't have met certain amazing people without her influence, and I always know she's there to help and I don't need a friend to tag along to a store incase something goes wrong
I don't know because cat can't handle helping his or her person does cat doesn't know how to do those cat can't detect person on health condition and balance issues and mobilty issues
That's horrible
Not a service animal. Only dog and small horses can be certified to be service animals. This has to be a emotional support animal
Definitely an ESA. No such thing as a service cat.
Depression and anxiety alone doesn't let you have a service animal. That's an ESA at best and are not allowed public access.
jeb allergies is an important factor, so allergies is something you know nothing about, just leave the lady alone and mind your own business.
I think everyone here is missing the point what if said person is allergic to both service horses and dogs's fur but not cats, then what?
Digitalfairy If a person is allergic to a dog or a horse, then they don’t get a service animal. You don’t get a service animal if it just makes your condition worse. And cats aren’t protected as service animals anyway.
@@Iceblinkwolfsong That's true and also super shitty. Like it's not ok. If someone is allergic to those species, then there needs to be an animal they can get as a service animal instead. We shouldn't be ignoring people who have allergies but need a service animal.
Only dogs and mini horses are service animals in the ada law
Yes! You telling like itbis thank you!
If it's approved as a service animal, then it should be allowed
NoahLouiLife But it's not. An emotional support animal is not a service animal. Her cat doesn't do any tasks to mitigate her disability, it simply comforts her. Which under federal law, does not qualify it as a service animal (that and only dogs and miniature horses can be service animals). Plus she said it's "registered." There's no such thing as certification, documentation, or registration. Any website that gives them is a scam. This lady knowingly violated Federal Law, and is trying to play the victim because she's caught
She can't have the cat with her, it's a esa not a service animal.
Her cat support to stay home and only home were that cat belong
she's wrong i've only ever really seen cats as seizure alert service animals but that cat wasn't even wearing a vest service animals don't go in strollers either If her cats an emotion support animal than it shouldnt be out anyway And yes dogs and mini horses are only seen as service animals so if she really needs one she can get a dog and leave her cat at home
Then leave cat home duh. Emotional support is not a service animal
Did she just say that she wouldn't want a miniature pony on her bus?
I mean this is not a service animal the cat dose not have a vest and is more of an a esa also one of the rules for service animals is all four on the floor so this cat is an esa and dose not have access to public transportation or shops
Some service animals can be carried. But your right it's just an ESA
A service animal has to be train to help a person disability. That cat did not seem like it was help her mitigate her disability. Service animals have to be tasked trained. This animal seems like an Esa. Esa are different from psychiatric service dogs because psychiatric service dogs are task trained to help people with disabilities. For example a psychiatric service dog might to deep pressure therapy to help with anxiety or panic attacks. A service animal has to be a dog or a horse because those animals have the capacity to be tasked trained.
Cat's aren't covered in the Americans Disabilities Act either
Service animals are by definition, only dogs.
@Loulou Bos HAHAHAHA!
@Loulou Bos I think it would be rude to take a mini horse onto a plane as it would be rude to take a mini horse into Trader Joe's.
@Tiny Princess I would not like to eat in a restaurant while a mini horse drops dung all over the floor, ADA or not.
Who cares, it’s a fucking stroller.
It's illegal.
this is harassment!!
Businesses have the right to ask people whether or not their animal is a service animal required because of a disability, and what task or works the animal is trained to perform. Further, unless her individual state protects other animals as service animals (which is incredibly uncommon), they may deny her access so long as she has her cat with her, as cats are not considered service animals under federal law.
Requiring her to fold her stroller is an entirely reasonable request, as it is required of everyone else bringing strollers onto the bus, and since it is clearly blocking two seats. If she herself couldn't fold it, she could have requested the assistance of the bus driver, as would anybody else with a stroller who has any common sense. Further, if she can't hold her cat in her lap, she should have a leash and harness in order to prevent her cat from wandering during the bus ride.
Very simple. Not harassment, as it's required of everybody else with strollers.
thelastoneontheplane no it isn't. Cats cannot be service animals. Get a fucking clue.
Kat O'Keefe cats also cannot be service animals so right there is the reason this cat should not be on the bus with her or anywhere else other than her home. It is simply an emotional support animal which is just a pet.
Ferretocious yes they can some states allow cats as service animals but some dont.
No it is not. Where this woman lives only dogs and mini horses can be a service animal. If she calls the ADA files a complaint. They will only throw it out. She's faking the cat is a service animal.
"Service cat"
I'm gonna be nice since you're a fellow army, but yes, in the place she lives, service cats are not protected. But in Some states and many other countries/provinces they are protected and service cats are not a new concept. Please do not look down on the idea of cats as service animals 💜💜💜💜
Okay clearly I need to point this out because I have been seeing it often, Yes cats are not service animals but THEY ARE in some states they are protected under the state law from what I heard from an official service cat owner. So to the people going around saying things like "OML THANK YOU CATS ARE NOT PROTECTED!!" Please stop because that is false in some states.
Some people just love to complain! Most of them probably hate cats just like a lot of people that complain about service dog most of them probably just hate dogs. If one ever saved their life I bet they might not hate them so much.
@Sara Allison That is your opinion. Just like how my opinion is that you are worthless. (Even though there are facts how cats have been helping humans all through history and even now today) But see that's difference between you and cats. There are 7 billion human beings on this planet. Most of those who almost live in complete isolation and would love to have a cute furry companion. So let me ask you..Does the earth really need your complaining ass? If you're not happy with your privilege than give it to the people who deserves it. Bye luv xox we don't need you
@Sara Allison I never said or stated that you should be able to bring your cat onto public transport. If you used your mouth as much as you used your brain you would see that my comment is only on the subject and or topic about people discriminating ACTUAL SERVICE CATS. Which I'll say again. Are protected and allowed in most states. Which leads to your point of this "argument" to be totally invalid because you didn't actually look and studied the material and subject of my comment.
This isn't a service animal the only animals that are protected under the Ada are dogs and miniature horses honestly that's just a esa emotional support animal
Service Cats arnt a thing.... That's an ESA. They can only go to places where pets are allowed. Only dogs and miniature ponies can be service animals. ☺This is absolutely hilarious
According to the ADA law only dogs and mini horses are allowed to be service animals. Ohio is the only state that allows any type of animal as long as they perform tasks for the persons disability.
Cats do not qualify and emotional support animals are not the same as service animals.
This is NOT a service animal! Service animals do specific tasks for people with disabilities, and bringing comfort to the owner is not a task. Emotional support animals (ESAs) are basically “prescribed” by doctors who believe a PET can help their mental issues. ESAs grants owners the right to take their animal on a plane without any extra pay, as well as housing without extra pay.
HOWEVER, ESAs do NOT have public access which means that business can legally refuse service to people witch their ESAs with them.
Well it doesn't make sense cause they can't tell a person in a wheelchair to get out and fold it up either so there's no difference lol
There is no difference really Emily?
@@David53D im saying there must be enough room if there is access for a wheelchair then a small cat stroller should be okay. If its a safety thing.
@Sara Allison I'll take a stinking cat over a crying baby/toddler, drunk, mentally ill (the dangerous kind) any day
@Sara Allison maybe to you
@Sara AllisonI much prefer cats to most people cause people freaking suck
For ppl with no knowledge at ALL service cats can handle being around dogs they can do what ever there owner tell them and you say only dogs can provide service that's not true cats can provide services heck even minutes ponies!
@Tiny Princess thank you for informing me 3 years later ! Very great full you’re here :)
@Tiny Princess bye bye !! :))
Service cats are a thing, but it's hard for me to beleive this is one. How can it alert in a stroller?
What and how well that cat help person that has a disability its a medical equipment like oxygen tank or a life support
@@suzyra1212 If you have those disabilities you don't get a service cat then. It's pretty simple. In general the animal you choose should be a good fit for your condition. A cat might not be good for like mobility, but would be excellent blood sugar, seizure, syncope, and psychiatric service animals. It just depends on what you need. Obviously if you have issues requiring a heavy species than that's what you need to have.
@@hannahbridges1708 Some People In The Bus Gets Really Bad Allergic To The Cat
@@suzyra1212 Ok and that can happen with a dog as well? Not sure what your point is here.
@@hannahbridges1708 Cat won’t do nothing just be in the stroller
my cat is legally registered as a SERVICE animal for me, and my mom has her cat registered. i have severe epilepsy and anxiety. i could drop in public with a break down or seizure. eber since I got my kitten I got home before seizures and she's stopped my anxiety attacks.
Emeons Cosplays there. Is no legal registry for service animals, and any site that told you that is scamming you. A service animal is one that does something for you that your disability prevents you from doing yourself, or if it is used to alert for an illness (such as low blood sugar for diabetics, or seizures for epilepsy). Unless you cat is trained to alert when you are going to have a seizure, it would be considered an Emotional Support Animal (since you say you have anxiety), and it does not have to be allowed in public buildings. A real service animal would not be in a stroller like this cat is.
Here is the information from the ADA website, which has the federal guidelines for service animals.
www.ada.gov/regs2010/service_animal_qa.html
Same! My cat isn't really a service cat, but I have depression and anxiety, and holding or petting a cat does so much. I would love to have a service cat since dogs give me anxiety, but where I live doesn't let you have a service cat.
Your cat can't be registered there is no registery for service animals damn people read the ADA fucking laws.
There is no such thing as registery for a service animal and you both are breaking a fedral law. You can wind up going to prison and your cats put in the pound. It is people like you who piss me the fuck off. I have to have a service animal and it is one of the two who are legally allowed to be a service animal by ADA laws. Cats aren't allowed to be one period. You people make it harder for us real Service Animal handlers with your fake ids and shit.
Cats. Are. Not. Service. Animals.
Look, I'm sorry that lady can't take her cat places but it's the law, they even acknowledge it in the video. Those busses and Target had every right to deny her access, no matter how upset she gets. Her cat, which unfortunately is not a service animal, is an Emotional Support animal and does not have the right to go with her anywhere except on planes and In her home. I have a service dog myself so I know the laws. Im sorry that upsets her and she feels attacked, but if she really has a disorder where she needs an animal, she should learn the laws and get a service dog or a service miniature horse.
If that is a real service animal then that cat needs to be out of the stroller! Service animals aren't allowed in strollers or carts. Some stays do allow cats as service animals as long as they're task trained.
What is stays, do you mean states, a funny mistake!!! Also what state allow cats as service animals.
@Loulou Bos Thats true but ADA doesnt protect cats
@Tiny Princess ADA doesnt say anything about strollers but ADA wouldn't even apply to cats.
Cats can't be service animals and therefore have no public access. Only dogs or miniature horses trained to perform tasks to aid in a disability have public access rights.
0:26 look at that cats eye
so?
@@user-tl8xn3mp3f so that cat is sick. A service animal if sick should never be working during that time.
@@DedraAmbroseandSnow Its not? It could be half-blind.
@@cryingbasil either way it should be retired not still working. A service animal has to be in great physical condition to work. A sick or half blind cat isn't in great physical condition. Besides the ADA clearly states only dogs & miniature horses can be a service animal. So this cat is just an ESA faked to be a SA
@@DedraAmbroseandSnow Oh, I see now.
You can't have a fucking service cat. Service animals by law can only be dogs or mini horses. Also service animals by law need to be trained and perform trained tasks to mitigate a disability.
I’m training my cat to be a ESA cat
Allie's furry little corner ESAs require no training.
Just to say they don't have public Assad
I love when entitled SD handlers immediately jump on esa owners and clarify that they cant bring their esas in public. Like chill karen, public access was never mentioned. I know most SD handlers see esas as nuisances and stupid but they are just as valid as SDs, they just perform different functions. So long as they follow the law its none of your business. Nothing wrong with training an esa to behave well in pet friendly stores and to travel well, while its not required, would you rather an out of control esa or a polite and friendly esa who will more or less ignore your SD
@@Inciliusnebulifer Esa's have no public access.
@@Inciliusnebulifer OH HELL NO- we are entitled and being a Karen? let's be honest here at least we don't lie about are dogs being actual service animals and don't walk around saying "Well they didn't stop me at the door!'😤
That "doctor" should not be prescribing anything. He doesn't understand the LAW
Cats are not service animals and are not protected under the law. She just wants a reason to have her freakin pet with her. Saying she's going to sue target is crap because she's the one breaking the law
why tf does it matter? its a cat in a stroller...its not hurting anyone
SAMMIsLIFE Fake service dogs and people bringing their pets around causes SO much trouble.
1. Service dogs go through years of training to be out in the public. Much more than a pet ever will. They are trained not to be hostile EVER. Even when being attacked, they are trained not to fight back. They are also taught how to ignore others. I don't think she has gone through this training with her cat.
2. Service dogs get groomed often to reduce dander. Bringing a pet can make others sick. It's the dander that gets allergies to act up.
It's a cat. It's illegal. It's in A stroller. I don't put my dog in one.
Pawmarks No. I'm right. By law. Also, it's you're. Not your.
It's not illegal depending on what state you're in. It's just the ADA only recognizes dogs and mini horses. There is research that shows that cats can be helpful in detecting seizures and diabetic shock so the ADA should really revise that policy.
there are service cats?? 😁😁😁
@Suzy Ra omg what if dog mauls people to death on the bus 😳😵
Trashfurr Cat is not service animal are you blind you never see a real service animal before if her cat take off it's her problem service animal walk on all four feet if person had like seizure or diabetic and cat in the stroller that is not how It works is a medical equipment let someone come and had that medical condition who will get injury if cat be in the stroller it’s handler that gets hurt even indanger by his or her own person and everybody else too think about that
@@suttagi If you want to get killed by getting into accident by a cat if it’s out of control in the bus it’s up to you that will be really big mistake and tragic consequence along with it
@@suzyra1212 service animals are highly trained animals, whether it's a dog, cat, pony, etc. service animals are held to high standards and to be a service animal they must legally be trained enough to not cause a nuisance to the public, meaning they aren't a service animal if they're barking/meowing, not listening to the owner, pulling on the lead, etc.
if someone has a legitimate service cat it is going to be trained and well behaved, and not act out, the same as a legitimate service dog. service animals are trained for 2 years or even more and literally are trained to ignore distractions and focus solely on the owner to task. cats can do all of these things. if someone has a service cat and it's misbehaving or acting up, then it isn't actually a service cat, the same as if someone brought an untrained dog into the shops barking and causing a nuisance that isn't a real service dog.
@Loulou Bos in america that is, in other countries such as australia service cats, birds, etc. are doing just fine and work legally to the same abilities a dog or mini horse does. america is pretty stupid allowing only 2 specific types of animals to legally work as service animals when there are other animals that can also do the job, like there's literally no reason for that law. i was obviously talking about misbehavior when i referred to dogs barking/pulling on the lead to chase/get to something, not when it's an actual task and trained. if a dog is barking or pulling on the lead for no reason and hasn't been trained to do that for a certain reason or task then it's an untrained dog that is a public nuisance. a dog barking at everyone who passes by and a dog pulling on the lead and dragging their owner along not listening because it wants to chase something down is obviously different to a dog who is trained to bark at a certain time/command as a task or pulls their owner long as a trained task.
In Canada there cats CAN be Service Animals. In the US it's any breed of dog, and any breed of miniature horse. That cat is an ESA, Target SHOULDN'T have let them in. ESAs do NOT have public access rights except to fly on a plane for free and to live in no pet housing for free that's it. That woman can get in major trouble if the right person sees this, including jail/prison time and hefty fine over thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars. She needs to stop taking her ESA into public claiming it to be a Service Animal.
This does not make me feel good about wanting to take my cats out in a stroller. Poor woman. Idiot bus driver.
BonnetClaw Nit an idiot bus driver. The lady faked her cat being a service animal and was asked to simply fold the stroller so it can be put under the seat. She broke Federal law by bringing it on the bus. So no. The bus driver is not an idiot. The woman simply decided to take advantage of someone who doesn't know the laws so she could take her pet with her. If you think is still cute, look up the Americans with Disabilities Act, then comment
Oh wow...I had no idea it was FEDERAL llaw...that changes everything. Yeah she should go to prison for life. Thanks so much for the info :p
@@BonnetClaw Keep your stinking cats inside
The cat can go on the bus just leave the women and her cat only the cat is a ESA cat can go on the bus
Fake service animal !
If anything it is an ESA
Leave your
Pet at home
How is a cat gonna task in a buggy
The dog must be trained to take a specific action when needed to assist the person with a disability. For example, a person with diabetes may have a dog that is trained to alert him when his blood sugar reaches high or low levels. A person with depression may have a dog that is trained to remind her to take her medication. Or, a person who has epilepsy may have a dog that is trained to detect the onset of a seizure and then help the person remain safe during the seizure.
Not a service animal
Her cat can take off at anytime if she lost her cat can she find her cat i don't think so that will be her problem
No wonder she wasn't allowed, CATS ARE NOT SERVICE ANIMALS THEY HAVE ZERO ACCESS RIGHTS! GET IT RIGHT YOUR THE ONE WRONG.
Nat and Hay cats can be service animals in certain states
What kind of “service” can a CAT actually provide?
An emotional support animal is NOT a service animal, and this kind of shet gives actual TRAINED service animals with JOBS a bad name.
What a disgrace.
I’m going to start bringing my emotional support cockroaches into restaurants
Cats cant be a service animal. Its only a service dogs and in some cases miniature horse/poney.
Never a "Service cat" cats can however can be a ESA (emotional support animal) and an ESA does not have rights to be brought out in public.
"Never" a Service Cat? Maybe you should know what you are talking about BEFORE you actually start talking or in this case typing. Some states do allow Service Cats so it might pay you to actually know which states do and which states don't so you don't post any misinformation. You are right that ESA don't have the right to be allowed in places that restrict pets but being out in public is not the same as being inside a public place. Some places out in public do allow pets to be with their owners.
@Sara Allison As a dog owner and lover I have seen some pretty amazing smart cats! I think it's more about time spent with pets and training.
People that never spend time with their pets training them aren't going to seem to be as smart no matter if they are a dog or cat.
It's just like having a child that's never been to school they will not seem as smart as those that have been educated only because they haven't been taught.
@Sara Allison You are certainly entitled to your opinion.
Considering the size differences would have some to do with what dogs could do that cats can't but I don't think that means they aren't just as smart but it's just my opinion. I love most all animals even though I love dogs the most 😊
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