I like that he kept his promise about the quote at the back of the book. If you look at the back cover of his book, "Tough Shit", you'll see that Tim Burton quote in all its glory.
Speaking of blurbs on the back of books, I have a copy of the classic Alan Moore graphic novel, "The Killing Joke," and there is a quote of Tim Burton's on it that says how much he loved it and what an impact it had o him. And that scene in his "Batman" of the Joker falling into the chemical waste was taken right out of "The Killing Joke," so, yes, Burton has used another writer's idea and, yes, he DOES read comics!
+timtak1 I would follow you, but why would he say fuck Kevin Smith if he was kidding? He felt attacked and lashed out. If it was "tee hee", that's assuming he knew Kevin was kidding and he was responding in the same way Kevin intended it to be.. which isn't consistent with how that situation went down at all.
+timtak1 No it definitely wasn't. Tim Burton dropped Kevin Smith's script from "Superman Lives" a movie that ended up getting cancelled a few years before, that's the background behind the whole thing.
+Alex Oelkers I understand Kevin Smith's pov, He was re-writing a Superman movie and to him, Tim Burton came on the scene and pushed him out. As far as we, or Kevin knows, it was a standard clause in Burton's contract that he has creative and substantive control over the movies he makes. So when the studio told Kevin he was out, he felt slighted by Tim, and Tim might have no idea there was any animosity there. All that being said. I'd still rather pay money to see Kevin Smith talk than Tim Burton, even if it was free.
"Posted 10 years ago" I remember when the longest time a video could have been uploaded was "2 years". Jesus Christ. There are toddlersfrom around this time that are preparing for High School.
I remember watching Smith's talk (and a few talks by Stan Lee) in the spring of 2010. My memories of doing that are older than Backstreet Boys' Millenium-album was back then. Growing up is awesome, being a grown up is an inferno of "that was _that_ long ago?"
I usually like Kevin Smith and his talks. But I think he comes across as a jerk in this one. He's writing "Fuck Tim Burton" on scripts fans are giving him to sign. Then he does an interview where he literally hates on Tim Burton. Then gets surprised and mad at Tim for getting mad at those things. Doesn't make any sense....
+ChameleonLost88 It actually does. You seem to have also misunderstood. Kevin was joking, but it didn't show in the article or the way the reporter phrased in when talking to Tim Burton's publicist. Then Tim was mad, but since he never gets mad and he just ignores this kind of stuff, Kevin was surprised. He thought "he must have been really pissed off to actually give a fuck about what I said" and it turns out he was right. That's where the joking stopped and the misunderstanding never got cleared. That's why Tim says "especially anything by Kevin Smith" and Kevin also feels disrespected for "no reason". TL;DR It was actually a misunderstanding and Kevin was joking, that's why it seemed that Tim went too far when he made it personal by saying he'd never read anything made by Kevin.
Tasos Kozi I do know he was joking at first. He was just kidding. But even he acknowledges that's not how the print of the exchange went. Tim Burton couldn't have know he was just joking. Instead of letting Tim know he was just joking, Kevin became serious and said mean things instead instead of telling Tim he was joking.
ChameleonLost88 Since Time ignores this stuff, he probably had no way to let him know he wasn't serious. My guess would be he was a dick because he let his pride take over, when he didn't try to respond with "it was a joke, no hard feelings" to the shots fired by Tim. And it an explanation/apology wouldn't make interesting news anyway.
+ChameleonLost88+ChameleonLost88 This video should of given a background on the "Fuck Tim Burton" comment. It was because Kevin Smith wrote a script for a Superman movie that when they asked Kevin Smith who should make the movie Kevin said "Tim Burton". Tim Burton accepted making the movie (Although it got canceled in mid production) but the first thing Burton did was dump Kevin Smith and his script. So that's what Kevin Smith meant when he said fans would find that old script to have him sign and Kevin Smith would sign "Fuck Tim Burton" .... I think that's great.
Alex Oelkers Ok, I get that part then. Then I don't blame him for thinking that way. But that's not how he's presenting this. He's presenting it like he's just joking, and how dare Tim get mad at it. I like Kevin, but he's odd in that way. Just like that whole tiff with Jenny McCarthy. Jenny once did an audition for him. As she was leaving she thought him and the people in the room were laughing at her as she was leaving. Later when asked Kevin said he wasn't and that he would never do that, which I believe him. But then he got so mad that he was doing interviews where he was saying that he was laughing at her, and then got mad that she got ever madder because of it. He just doesn't make sense when it comes to that sort of stuff.
What is it with Kevin Smith and never running out of goddamn stories? Holy shit, dude has like literally millions of stories to tell, and he tells them well.
The one thing Smith and Burton have in common is that they peaked a long, long time ago. Smith peaked with Clerks, and Burton peaked with Edward Scissorhands. Neither have done anything of note since, other than being spectacularly, self-absorbed douches.
steven santello uh Michael Bay had nothing to do with that movie all he did was produce it and in case your wondering all a produce dose is foot the bill
"I was never a giant comic book fan, but I've always loved the image of Batman and The Joker. The reason I've never been a comic book fan-and I think it started when I was a child-is because I could never tell which box I was supposed to read. I don't know if it was dyslexia or whatever, but that's why I loved The Killing Joke, because for the first time I could tell which one to read. It's my favorite. It's the first comic I've ever loved."
I just don't believe KS when he claims he said it in jest. Who gives a journalist a quote , "I'm contemplating legal action" to be funny? Also, small detail. Bumble Ward is a female.
+Ignatius the way he frames it like Burton was outraged like he was incredibly outraged is just Kevin being passive aggressive as fuck, the dig at his looks and directing is thinly veiled by his own self deprecation
+Cat I took it more as what Smith jokingly thought, as opposed to how Burton actually reacted. It's unlikely he said "Fuck him up his ass", but he may have been annoyed
+Ignatius To be fair, he does these Q&A's like a standup show. Each question has a 3-10 minute answer that is replete with jokes and levity. I believe Kevin when he said there was no animosity from his end, if only because he said the writer he was speaking with was a friend who had covered many of Smiths movies in the past. So he might have relied too much on their rapport, which wouldn't come across in black and white text. Kevin even says he's used to saying shit without repercussion because most people in the industry are more political with how they say, and react to things. Burton laying out his thoughts on Kevin Smith, although reserved for the internet, is very emotionally charged for what one would expect from that calibre a director. Just my two cents.
Every time I watch this I'm always amazed at how many people now forgot about how Wahlburg got his start in the entertainment business and how funny it is now that he's gotten some incredible roles. I like how anything can really happen in Hollywood.
+sappy441 In 88' he beat up a random Vietnamese guy on the street with a 5ft wooden stick, while shouting racial slurs. Then fleeing the scene, Marky Mark found another Vietnamese guy, told him the police were coming and asked for help hiding. As soon as the cruiser passed, he punched the guy in the eye, blinding him. Look it up if you don't believe me. And he made Ted2.
Yeah, that whole story was drummed up in a fluff piece by the daily mail. Your boy marky mark still assaulted two guys because of the color of their skin. Whether or not one guy's forgiven him, it doesn't detract from the fact that he hit him and beat the other guy within an inch of his life with a wooden pole. I'm not saying he hasn't repented, or that he wasn't only 16 at the time, but he did that shit.
Smith sure has a high opinion of himself and his comic book aficionado status. He thinks he could make the best Batman movie in the world because, what, he's made Clerks? He must think his personal fandom should make him entitled to be a part of the creation process.
He's never said he could make a better Batman movie, or that he dislikes Tim's Batman film. In fact Kevin has said he loves Tim's Batman films. He enjoyed a lot. But, they do deviate from the comics a LOT. And that was what Kevin was saying in that comment.
***** The reason why Smith's script for Superman is so terrible is because hairdresser-turned-producer Jon Peters demanded several major changes be made to the character and concept. Kevin didn't fight it at the time because he was using the assignment as an excuse to hang out at the DC Comics offices. He knew the film would likely never be made, but wrote it anyway just for some cash and the thrill of chatting up everyone at DC.
***** "At its best" LMFAO WTF?!? I'm not a Burton fan but Tims Batman was what made comics dark. In the 90s there was almost no good comic book films. Which one Batman and Robin? The fantastic 4 (1994) which never got released because it was God awful. The ONLY good superhero film was Superman (The first two) *Not to mention Christopher Nolan said he was inspired by Tims batman and originally Batman begins was suppose to be a prequel before WB threw money at him and was like make more.* It's okay to hate on someone but don't just make shit up. lol thanks for the laughs though.
dylan coulter Production and delivery of the movie overall I'd say yes. But Keaton's Batman was more of a Batman than Bale's. Bale's voice was ridiculous that led to a lot parody. Most of the time production and villains (Heath's Joker specifically), hid Bale's being a bad Batman. I also like Tim's interpretation of Gotham better
+oneyedthing Burton's Gotham is the best Gotham ever put to film. It's just the most striking and the most accurate to the vision of that world. The design, the lighting, everything.
+Roberto Horacio De Lugo There was a specific man, can't place his name-Anton maybe-who is now sadly gone, who created the design of Gotham. He did incredible work. He was behind all that visionary grandness.
EternalHennessy Anton Furst. Yes. He was a fucking genius and I'm not using that lightly. He also worked with Stanley Kubrick on Full Metal Jacket, he won an Academy Award for his work on the film and by God, was it well deserved. The point I intend to communicate is that Burton put together that team, that team of Furst and Roger Pratt and Bob Ringwood and Derek Meddings, these people were some of the best working at the time and they were all perfect for Burton's film. To the point where Batman Returns was by and large, an inferior film aesthetically due to Furst and Pratt's absence. It's not to knock Wally Pfister or Nathan Crowley or Lindy Hemming or anybody that worked on Nolan's films, the aim is different, one is more stylized and gothic whilst the other is more grounded and gritty. However, in my mind, the '89 Batman film contains the definitive vision of Gotham City.
does anyone know where the clip at the end came from? It looked like it came from a different talk, and I would love to see the context from which that situation arose. Also, can never get bored of hearing this guy talk, so many good stories
he did exactly that - if you know Kevin Smith :p. The more I get to know about him, the more things I learn about him that points out the fact that he is actually pretty arrogant and likes himself a lot (nothing wrong with that I guess).
DFG I see him hating himself over and over again. He's mainly just arrogant about the few things he does like about himself. The guy talks on forever. Like I did when I was taking a lot of aderall.
Kevin Smith is one of those guys who turns every situation he's been in, into some spectacular exaggerated story. In his stories he always has something incredibly witty and brave to say, he's always the hero.
Anonymous501 He's not even good at what he does. Also, its just sad that he can't let Tim Burton go its been over 10 years lol... Other people in Hollywood have had much worse happen to them and bounce back without bitching for years and years. I would hate if this guy came to my college, he just seems like a loser.
Anonymous501 Clearly you worship Kevin Smith. I'm just pointing out Kevin Smith can't let shit go lol, its sad in my opinion. I'm sorry if I upset you, never will I challenge challenge your messiah again.
+Mikey Smith Ya he's obviously butthurt about Mr. Burton, whom I generally do not like, but that Batman that he made is still one of the best ever done IMHO.
I like Kevin. But as in most of his public feuds, this really comes off as a childish excuse. He provided "sarcastic" quotes and then encouraged the reporter to contact Burton? Why would he think anyone making a joke be worthy of an article in one of America's most circulated newspapers and why would his alleged joke be worthy of the the reporter contacting Burton? Does not ring true in any way.
+ComeOnMaaan he doesn't expect people to take his attitude seriously because he is known to be an easygoing guy. the joke isn't what was said, it's who its coming from. this happens every day if you follow comedians on twitter.
Because I'm about to tear a movie apart, I think I'll briefly list what was good about the movie. 1: Alfred was spot-on. 2: All actors were great, except Jack Nicholson. 3: It was a fun movie. ___________________ OK, on to the negatives. 1: Technically, Batman has a higher body count than the Joker. 2: Batman kills... a lot. 3: Batman uses guns. 4: Jack Nicholson was not acting; he was bring Jack Nicholson, and happened to be like Joker. 5: Joker killed Batman's parents. 6: Joker falls in love with Vicki Vale for some reason. 7: Bruce Wayne falls in love for no reason. 8: Bruce Wayne is not a devil--may-care playboy. 9: Keaton's Bruce Wayne was the same as Batman.
Kumquatodor had a big comment there to reply, but couldn't be arsed wording it right, loved your comment there and cheers for taking the time to write it. Some V good points sir. Thumbs up
I actually haven't seen any of Kevin Smith's movies, but you have to accept that he's hilarious, well most of the time ! I don't think Kevin is actually a talented person at all, but he could make a pretty decent standup comedian :D on the other part look at the audience, comic geeks and freaks like Kevin laughing at his jokes ! I MEAN C'MON !! don't take the guy so seriously ! maybe Tim is an asshole, who knows ? maybe Tim is a genius and Kevin is an asshole ! don't care ! just see this video as a pretty funny roast, without Tim Burton being present :P XD
I am very offended by this because Tim burton has been my idol since I was 6. You talk trash about him you might as well just tell me my dream & my idol is stupid. NOT COOL👎
He's not really talking trash. He was just joking. And he wasn't lying. Not to mention, Tim Burton has made some pretty bad decisions. If you just love all of his work just because his hands are on it, your likely to be blinded to flaws by other artists as well. I suggest you look at his work from a more broad standpoint. Maybe think up some constructive criticism for him.
It's all tee-hee, but in reality he actually posted it in an actual news paper. And now he goes on for ten minutes mocking Burton in front of an audience. Going on and on about what an asshole and lousy artist Burton is. When he was the one that provoked Burton, and Burton merely reacted to that. He makes Burton into an angry asshole, when it might as well be that he was "joking" as well. He's so upset over Burton reacting to a false accusation, that he can't let it go even after time has passed. Putting the blurb on his book. All like some kind of "joke", but it's pretty passive aggressive if you ask me.
Billy Nipnip On one hand is the camp that says nothing Kevin Smith does is worth caring about, but a throwaway article that was clearly Teehee etc, the point is is only passive aggressive in that your friend calling you an idiot is passive aggressive, it's an in joke that got taken out of hand demonstrated a little too publicly. Kevin wouldn't have any material right here if there hadn't been a reaction for him to have this story about. Besides, Kevin lost out a movie because Burton demanded to be the screenwriter after Kevin smith got his done already. Either way Kevin can talk shit about burton and burton can deal with it. Love it.
Tim Burton returning for one more Bat-flick would be AMAZING. And "The Dark Knight Returns" would be perfect inspiration, once more. Michael Keaton (the best Batman by far) is 60 years old now. Who better than he to portray a retired Batman. Just imagine how everyone would feel if Danny Elfman's amazing score entered our ears in a darkened theater one more time! Joker-cameo,Catwoman-closure... The biggest obstacle would be convincing Warner Bros. and Burton to do it.
Tim Burtons batman and batman returns are by far MY favourite of all time.. And ed scissorhands is a cult classic.. Kev smith is great.. But mall rats/dogma etc aren't exactly masterpieces.. But fun to watch nonetheless.. Just saying.. Peace
I wouldn't go that far, because I do like Scissorhands and his Batman films (which I admittedly own) as well as Big Fish and Ed Wood. But everything else is just the same, you know?
It is the same! Besides he destroyed Lewis Carroll's classic...! he made that crap of sleepy Hollow.... I have to say when the bride corpse was about to come out I was looking forwards to it... and I hated it, was horrible. And sorry.... I watched Big Fidh and I thought it was pretty bad, and stupid, I didn't know it was Burton's.....Ohhh and that crap of Dark Shadows! what is wrong with that dude?
Hey it's cool you're entitled to your opinion! But yeah I feel he's been getting more and more commercial as he goes...namely catering to the Hot Topic mall emo crowd.
Anyone seen the quote in the top right corner of "The Killing Joke"? "I loved THE KILLING JOKE... It's my favorite. It's the first comic I've ever loved." - Tim Burton
Funny he fires on Tim Burton, since Burton is a LEGEND, and smith has a GAY comic book show on A&E. Way to choose your battles Kevin. The ORIGINAL BATMAN, BURTON and KEATON will always OWN over any batman ever done
A: His "gay" comic show runs on AMC, not A&E B: Burton's Batman was far from the original in every conceivable way C: Christopher Nolan's Batman has clearly overthrown Burton's take as the definitive FILM version of the character D: Burton's lost almost all of his artistic credibility in recent years with his overblown, hollow re-imaginings (Wonka, Alice, & Dark Shadows).
harrissizzle Regarding C: Burton's last Batman film was 22 years ago, which is older than probably most of the people who saw the Nolan films in theaters. Give us 20 more years and Nolan's movies will be discarded just the same. Granted, Dark Knight will probably be remembered for quite a long time, but more for Ledger's performance than for Nolan's directorial work.
i would rather watch a Kevin Smith movie than a Tim Burton movie and coming from a huge fan of the original comic books Tim Burton's Batman movies are almost as bad as the green lantern and Christopher Nolan's are brilliant masterpieces. im sorry but when Tim Burton lost the the Batman movies and it went to Schumacher and so on i was extremely happy. but yeah thats just my personal opinion
Burton's Batman films aren't really good by today's standards, but they were really fun when I was little. Schumacher's films... were a pair of giant messes. Especially Batman and Robin.
Kevin Smith's relevance declined well over a decade ago. I've watched a few of these clips and I'm not surprised he was eventually cut off. I've no issue with cursing whatsoever..but to constantly drop f bombs (like you're an inarticulate frst bro) simply isn't professional. You don't dress like a slob either.
He said he loved it because it was the first comic book he could actually read and follow. Theres an interview on the batman special features disc where he explains he couldnt read comics cause he would struggle with the order of things and he didnt know what panel to look at next and it frustrated him. the killing joke was the first comic he read that he didnt have to worry about that.
they appeal to anyone searching for what they want in life, im not saying there isnt crude humor in his films but there are underlying themes underneath all that. love, life, happiness, family, self esteem, self significance, and more is all there in his films, where he integrates his own personal experience in life into his films, he is a intelligent man with a sharp mind
Haha Thanks! I just respect people that put in the effort to make their work as true to the original story as possible. I'm a huge fan of The Godfather I & II. I firmly believe the major reason why those films were as incredible as they were was because Francis Ford Coppola sat down with Mario Puzo (author of The Godfather novel) and dissected it. He tried as hard as possible to recreate the novel into film.
Even though Burton's ouvere is much more widely-accepted (ie, marketable), watching this clip makes me want someone to remind him that, after 'Beetlejuice', no one gave a shit about him until 'Batman' and then suddenly he was being trumpeted as being some great visual genius. Without comic-book source material to work with, Burton would still be a mostly forgotten-about (albeit visually gifted) filmmaker.
For almost ten minutes I completely forgot that this guy used to be Silent Bob, then he pulls that face @9:27 and suddenly all the memories came flooding back.
Burtons Batman is a classic Comic book version. It was a fantastic film. It came out 20 years ago. When things weren't as serious. Its a fantastic film. Jack Nicholson as Joker floored me, and Michael Keaton was awesome as Batman.
@SkeletonHarmonics While I can agree that some people tend towards the graphic nature of Smith's movies, I have always found a much greater depth to the films. I think the difference for me is partially in character development and the emotional connection the characters experience. Burton pulls it off in a few of his films, Scissorhands and Big Fish especially, but frequently I feel that while the story is intense, certain aspects of the emotional spectrum are missing.
I love that someone talks about 1989 "The Year of the Bat" (dubbed by time magazine)...I'll never see anything like that again. Jurassic Park came close but the Btman hype was EVERYWHERE. Literally lol. Like Smith said - you couldn't turn your head without seeing the bat-signal...
From 2001 onward, the only Tim Burton films that I even remotely liked were Big Fish and Sweeney Todd. I don't know what happened to the Tim Burton, whose movies I used to love as a kid/teen, but I'd like to think that he's still out there somewhere, and it shows in those two films.
One reason why Christopher Nolan's Batman movies were so incredible is because he actually did his research. He read the comics and hired a COMIC BOOK writer/expert. Hell, even Christian Bale read some Batman comics. They care. Tim Burton just makes stuff up like what he did with Alice in Wonderland.
It's available at liketelevision (d.0.T) Comm. 1920 Robert Wiene's : The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari, or Das Kabinett des Doktor Caligari. I think Burton imagines that people are ignorant so he can make himself sound upset when confronted... about his "original concepts"
I like that he kept his promise about the quote at the back of the book. If you look at the back cover of his book, "Tough Shit", you'll see that Tim Burton quote in all its glory.
by the way, he totally did this in real life. I found the book. Kevin is a legend.
Yeah tough shit ! Haha
i can't get over that look of horror on smith's face when the dude says that he's going to be in the lobby doing a meet and greet. it's priceless.
I really just want to be friends with Kevin Smith.
Same.
Yea man. His books are pretty good too.
"Tim Burton chewed me a new asshole" "Tim Burton me insulta" I don't think that's getting across the real spirit here.
I love Smith's face at the end like, "Holy hell, who's gonna be the first crazed fan to shank me down in the lobby, now. Thanks, Mr. Moderator."
Speaking of blurbs on the back of books, I have a copy of the classic Alan Moore graphic novel, "The Killing Joke," and there is a quote of Tim Burton's on it that says how much he loved it and what an impact it had o him. And that scene in his "Batman" of the Joker falling into the chemical waste was taken right out of "The Killing Joke," so, yes, Burton has used another writer's idea and, yes, he DOES read comics!
I agree; it doesn't mean that.
lol
That guy at the end.
+DarthCipient Kevin was like "yeah, don't shoot the messenger, I know. It's cool." and the guy just threw the responsibility on Kevin for no reason.
I laughed to hard at the "the gloves are off, let's go!"
"Which, to me, explains fucking Batman."
FLAWLESS VICTORY!
"Feel it, feel it" 😆
Anybody who dislike Tim Burton is my friend
Anyone who dislikes you is my friend
I'd give up any Tim Burton movie to watch another Jay and Silent Bob movie.
Right? Like, Tim's starting to get rusty anyway. I think his last good movie was like 6 + years ago...
exactly!!
Snootchie bootchies!
You regret that yet? Lol
I love how he paraphrases the article.
"He is very pissed off. He feels ripped off, and he is currently contemplating legal action."
But the Superman movie getting canned wasn't Tim's fault. It was Barbara Streisands hairdresser.
+Tate Hildyard jon peters. he is such a prick
Mhm girl. (sassy head waving)
+Tate Hildyard Care to elaborate?
watch the death of superman lives what happened. John Peters (crazy dick)
Dude, i loooove listening to Kevin Smith! The way he tells a story is just perfect.
That ended like Monty Python and the Holy Grail ended.
his eyes at the end hahahahaha !!!
9:30
But of course, Tim Burton's comment was equally tee hee.
+timtak1 I would follow you, but why would he say fuck Kevin Smith if he was kidding? He felt attacked and lashed out. If it was "tee hee", that's assuming he knew Kevin was kidding and he was responding in the same way Kevin intended it to be.. which isn't consistent with how that situation went down at all.
+timtak1 No it definitely wasn't. Tim Burton dropped Kevin Smith's script from "Superman Lives" a movie that ended up getting cancelled a few years before, that's the background behind the whole thing.
+Alex Oelkers I understand Kevin Smith's pov, He was re-writing a Superman movie and to him, Tim Burton came on the scene and pushed him out.
As far as we, or Kevin knows, it was a standard clause in Burton's contract that he has creative and substantive control over the movies he makes. So when the studio told Kevin he was out, he felt slighted by Tim, and Tim might have no idea there was any animosity there.
All that being said. I'd still rather pay money to see Kevin Smith talk than Tim Burton, even if it was free.
As great as his movies are, these live standups are the best. I caught one of his shows live in Toronto and he does not disappoint.
Flippin' hilarious ending
"Posted 10 years ago"
I remember when the longest time a video could have been uploaded was "2 years".
Jesus Christ. There are toddlersfrom around this time that are preparing for High School.
I remember watching Smith's talk (and a few talks by Stan Lee) in the spring of 2010. My memories of doing that are older than Backstreet Boys' Millenium-album was back then.
Growing up is awesome, being a grown up is an inferno of "that was _that_ long ago?"
i love his face at the end when they say he gonna meet with the audience priceless Kevin Rocks
Damn kevin smith is fucking cool.
The scissor hands came out
I usually like Kevin Smith and his talks. But I think he comes across as a jerk in this one. He's writing "Fuck Tim Burton" on scripts fans are giving him to sign. Then he does an interview where he literally hates on Tim Burton. Then gets surprised and mad at Tim for getting mad at those things. Doesn't make any sense....
+ChameleonLost88 It actually does. You seem to have also misunderstood.
Kevin was joking, but it didn't show in the article or the way the reporter phrased in when talking to Tim Burton's publicist. Then Tim was mad, but since he never gets mad and he just ignores this kind of stuff, Kevin was surprised. He thought "he must have been really pissed off to actually give a fuck about what I said" and it turns out he was right. That's where the joking stopped and the misunderstanding never got cleared. That's why Tim says "especially anything by Kevin Smith" and Kevin also feels disrespected for "no reason".
TL;DR
It was actually a misunderstanding and Kevin was joking, that's why it seemed that Tim went too far when he made it personal by saying he'd never read anything made by Kevin.
Tasos Kozi
I do know he was joking at first. He was just kidding. But even he acknowledges that's not how the print of the exchange went. Tim Burton couldn't have know he was just joking. Instead of letting Tim know he was just joking, Kevin became serious and said mean things instead instead of telling Tim he was joking.
ChameleonLost88 Since Time ignores this stuff, he probably had no way to let him know he wasn't serious. My guess would be he was a dick because he let his pride take over, when he didn't try to respond with "it was a joke, no hard feelings" to the shots fired by Tim. And it an explanation/apology wouldn't make interesting news anyway.
+ChameleonLost88+ChameleonLost88 This video should of given a background on the "Fuck Tim Burton" comment. It was because Kevin Smith wrote a script for a Superman movie that when they asked Kevin Smith who should make the movie Kevin said "Tim Burton". Tim Burton accepted making the movie (Although it got canceled in mid production) but the first thing Burton did was dump Kevin Smith and his script. So that's what Kevin Smith meant when he said fans would find that old script to have him sign and Kevin Smith would sign "Fuck Tim Burton" .... I think that's great.
Alex Oelkers
Ok, I get that part then. Then I don't blame him for thinking that way. But that's not how he's presenting this. He's presenting it like he's just joking, and how dare Tim get mad at it. I like Kevin, but he's odd in that way. Just like that whole tiff with Jenny McCarthy. Jenny once did an audition for him. As she was leaving she thought him and the people in the room were laughing at her as she was leaving. Later when asked Kevin said he wasn't and that he would never do that, which I believe him. But then he got so mad that he was doing interviews where he was saying that he was laughing at her, and then got mad that she got ever madder because of it. He just doesn't make sense when it comes to that sort of stuff.
Ah yes. 90s director Kevin Smith.
What is it with Kevin Smith and never running out of goddamn stories? Holy shit, dude has like literally millions of stories to tell, and he tells them well.
What was that last bit about it's like a cliffhanger?!
gotta say, the girls in the audience are pretty homely.
The Flayed Man Gotta say...so are the boys.
Well, the guy who stops the event, I found nice looking. Oh, well.
The one thing Smith and Burton have in common is that they peaked a long, long time ago. Smith peaked with Clerks, and Burton peaked with Edward Scissorhands. Neither have done anything of note since, other than being spectacularly, self-absorbed douches.
if anything he peaked with chasing amy.
Lawlzinator you peaked at birth.
***** don't forget beetlejuice, nightmare before christmas, corpse bride
Henri M.A Oh my God. xD
***** YESSSS he's my favorite!! There is no movie I don't like that he's made. Ever since I was little I've adored his movies, he's just genius!!
I like how "tihihihi" translates "la risata"
Jay and Silent Bob is remarkably similar to Pee Wee's Big Adventure. Hmmmmmmm.......
Tim Burton is just like Michael Bay except all emo and goth. We get it, Burton. You had a depressing childhood -.-
steven santello No.
steven santello
uh Michael Bay had nothing to do with that movie all he did was produce it and in case your wondering all a produce dose is foot the bill
lol they're just like each other except for the part where their films are completely different
***** Tim Burton is not Emo or Goth... he's like some sort of washed up New Romantic spending his days listening to Spandau Ballet or Ultravox!.
I feel the exact same way about those two being the docheiest directors in the industry.
I've got two of these audience with's. Awesome stories from a great storyteller!
"I was never a giant comic book fan, but I've always loved the image of Batman and The Joker. The reason I've never been a comic book fan-and I think it started when I was a child-is because I could never tell which box I was supposed to read. I don't know if it was dyslexia or whatever, but that's why I loved The Killing Joke, because for the first time I could tell which one to read. It's my favorite. It's the first comic I've ever loved."
I just don't believe KS when he claims he said it in jest. Who gives a journalist a quote , "I'm contemplating legal action" to be funny? Also, small detail. Bumble Ward is a female.
+Ignatius the way he frames it like Burton was outraged like he was incredibly outraged is just Kevin being passive aggressive as fuck, the dig at his looks and directing is thinly veiled by his own self deprecation
+Cat I took it more as what Smith jokingly thought, as opposed to how Burton actually reacted. It's unlikely he said "Fuck him up his ass", but he may have been annoyed
+Ignatius He say's "she" when referring to her.
+Ignatius To be fair, he does these Q&A's like a standup show. Each question has a 3-10 minute answer that is replete with jokes and levity.
I believe Kevin when he said there was no animosity from his end, if only because he said the writer he was speaking with was a friend who had covered many of Smiths movies in the past. So he might have relied too much on their rapport, which wouldn't come across in black and white text.
Kevin even says he's used to saying shit without repercussion because most people in the industry are more political with how they say, and react to things.
Burton laying out his thoughts on Kevin Smith, although reserved for the internet, is very emotionally charged for what one would expect from that calibre a director.
Just my two cents.
Buahahaha Kevin's face at 9:30 XD
I love how Kevin's eyes get huge when that guy talks about how they can go meet him in the lobby
Every time I watch this I'm always amazed at how many people now forgot about how Wahlburg got his start in the entertainment business and how funny it is now that he's gotten some incredible roles. I like how anything can really happen in Hollywood.
+sappy441 In 88' he beat up a random Vietnamese guy on the street with a 5ft wooden stick, while shouting racial slurs. Then fleeing the scene, Marky Mark found another Vietnamese guy, told him the police were coming and asked for help hiding. As soon as the cruiser passed, he punched the guy in the eye, blinding him. Look it up if you don't believe me. And he made Ted2.
+James Buchanan You're the one who needs to "look it up". The Vietnamese guy himself says he lost his eye in Vietnam. Seriously, look it up.
Yeah, that whole story was drummed up in a fluff piece by the daily mail. Your boy marky mark still assaulted two guys because of the color of their skin. Whether or not one guy's forgiven him, it doesn't detract from the fact that he hit him and beat the other guy within an inch of his life with a wooden pole. I'm not saying he hasn't repented, or that he wasn't only 16 at the time, but he did that shit.
Smith sure has a high opinion of himself and his comic book aficionado status. He thinks he could make the best Batman movie in the world because, what, he's made Clerks? He must think his personal fandom should make him entitled to be a part of the creation process.
He's never said he could make a better Batman movie, or that he dislikes Tim's Batman film. In fact Kevin has said he loves Tim's Batman films. He enjoyed a lot.
But, they do deviate from the comics a LOT. And that was what Kevin was saying in that comment.
Anyone who knows me knows I don't listen to Kevin Smith.
*****
The reason why Smith's script for Superman is so terrible is because hairdresser-turned-producer Jon Peters demanded several major changes be made to the character and concept. Kevin didn't fight it at the time because he was using the assignment as an excuse to hang out at the DC Comics offices. He knew the film would likely never be made, but wrote it anyway just for some cash and the thrill of chatting up everyone at DC.
***** "At its best" LMFAO WTF?!? I'm not a Burton fan but Tims Batman was what made comics dark. In the 90s there was almost no good comic book films. Which one Batman and Robin? The fantastic 4 (1994) which never got released because it was God awful. The ONLY good superhero film was Superman (The first two)
*Not to mention Christopher Nolan said he was inspired by Tims batman and originally Batman begins was suppose to be a prequel before WB threw money at him and was like make more.* It's okay to hate on someone but don't just make shit up. lol thanks for the laughs though.
Yet Tim Burton brought out the real Batman...
I still prefer Bales batman over Burtons.
dylan coulter
Production and delivery of the movie overall I'd say yes. But Keaton's Batman was more of a Batman than Bale's. Bale's voice was ridiculous that led to a lot parody. Most of the time production and villains (Heath's Joker specifically), hid Bale's being a bad Batman.
I also like Tim's interpretation of Gotham better
+oneyedthing Burton's Gotham is the best Gotham ever put to film. It's just the most striking and the most accurate to the vision of that world. The design, the lighting, everything.
+Roberto Horacio De Lugo There was a specific man, can't place his name-Anton maybe-who is now sadly gone, who created the design of Gotham. He did incredible work. He was behind all that visionary grandness.
EternalHennessy Anton Furst. Yes. He was a fucking genius and I'm not using that lightly. He also worked with Stanley Kubrick on Full Metal Jacket, he won an Academy Award for his work on the film and by God, was it well deserved. The point I intend to communicate is that Burton put together that team, that team of Furst and Roger Pratt and Bob Ringwood and Derek Meddings, these people were some of the best working at the time and they were all perfect for Burton's film. To the point where Batman Returns was by and large, an inferior film aesthetically due to Furst and Pratt's absence.
It's not to knock Wally Pfister or Nathan Crowley or Lindy Hemming or anybody that worked on Nolan's films, the aim is different, one is more stylized and gothic whilst the other is more grounded and gritty. However, in my mind, the '89 Batman film contains the definitive vision of Gotham City.
Love this dude's sense of humor. haha
does anyone know where the clip at the end came from? It looked like it came from a different talk, and I would love to see the context from which that situation arose.
Also, can never get bored of hearing this guy talk, so many good stories
I knew an old man named Bumble once, he got around town in a wheelchair and always stank of piss and tobacco.
BumbleBeer?
what was it at the end? why is that guy said that it has to stop?
because Smith was talking for like 3 hours straight before.
DFG I wish the kid at the end gave that reason instead of sounding like a bartender who is cutting off the drunk from the tap.
he did exactly that - if you know Kevin Smith :p. The more I get to know about him, the more things I learn about him that points out the fact that he is actually pretty arrogant and likes himself a lot (nothing wrong with that I guess).
DFG I see him hating himself over and over again. He's mainly just arrogant about the few things he does like about himself. The guy talks on forever. Like I did when I was taking a lot of aderall.
The Outsider Plays He's overcompensating because he grew up fat.
"There is somebody on this planet named Bumble."
lmao
Kevin Smith is one of those guys who turns every situation he's been in, into some spectacular exaggerated story. In his stories he always has something incredibly witty and brave to say, he's always the hero.
Or else he's always the bitter nobody who the entire Hollywood industry is against or else not as brilliant and smart as.
Not trying to hate but honestly Kevin Smith is a nobody compared to Tim Burton.
Anonymous501 He's not even good at what he does. Also, its just sad that he can't let Tim Burton go its been over 10 years lol... Other people in Hollywood have had much worse happen to them and bounce back without bitching for years and years. I would hate if this guy came to my college, he just seems like a loser.
Anonymous501 Clearly you worship Kevin Smith. I'm just pointing out Kevin Smith can't let shit go lol, its sad in my opinion. I'm sorry if I upset you, never will I challenge challenge your messiah again.
+Mikey Smith Nah Burton's films have never done much for me. Sleepy Hollow was ok but that's it. While Smith has made some stinkers, so has Burton.
+Mikey Smith Ya he's obviously butthurt about Mr. Burton, whom I generally do not like, but that Batman that he made is still one of the best ever done IMHO.
+ichigeri Haha exactly. I somehow that Kevin Smith was this schools first choice. They would probably have rather had Tim Burton.
I like Kevin. But as in most of his public feuds, this really comes off as a childish excuse. He provided "sarcastic" quotes and then encouraged the reporter to contact Burton? Why would he think anyone making a joke be worthy of an article in one of America's most circulated newspapers and why would his alleged joke be worthy of the the reporter contacting Burton? Does not ring true in any way.
+ComeOnMaaan he doesn't expect people to take his attitude seriously because he is known to be an easygoing guy. the joke isn't what was said, it's who its coming from. this happens every day if you follow comedians on twitter.
I could listen to him talk all day
Kevin Smith is a Living Legend and a Role Model to simple people and down to earth person.
What was wrong with BATMAN????????
Several things. Would you like me to list them?
please
Because I'm about to tear a movie apart, I think I'll briefly list what was good about the movie.
1: Alfred was spot-on.
2: All actors were great, except Jack Nicholson.
3: It was a fun movie.
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OK, on to the negatives.
1: Technically, Batman has a higher body count than the Joker.
2: Batman kills... a lot.
3: Batman uses guns.
4: Jack Nicholson was not acting; he was bring Jack Nicholson, and happened to be like Joker.
5: Joker killed Batman's parents.
6: Joker falls in love with Vicki Vale for some reason.
7: Bruce Wayne falls in love for no reason.
8: Bruce Wayne is not a devil--may-care playboy.
9: Keaton's Bruce Wayne was the same as Batman.
Kumquatodor had a big comment there to reply,
but couldn't be arsed wording it right, loved your comment there and cheers for taking the time to write it. Some V good points sir. Thumbs up
Damien Lennon How exactly should I worded it? I'm all for improving my communication skills!
I actually haven't seen any of Kevin Smith's movies, but you have to accept that he's hilarious, well most of the time ! I don't think Kevin is actually a talented person at all, but he could make a pretty decent standup comedian :D on the other part look at the audience, comic geeks and freaks like Kevin laughing at his jokes ! I MEAN C'MON !! don't take the guy so seriously ! maybe Tim is an asshole, who knows ? maybe Tim is a genius and Kevin is an asshole ! don't care ! just see this video as a pretty funny roast, without Tim Burton being present :P XD
Watch the kevin smith films
The terror in his face in the last seconds is brilliant!!
So glad you guys have chosen to have such an intellectual conversation here.
I am very offended by this because Tim burton has been my idol since I was 6. You talk trash about him you might as well just tell me my dream & my idol is stupid. NOT COOL👎
Your dream and your idol is stupid.
He's not really talking trash. He was just joking. And he wasn't lying. Not to mention, Tim Burton has made some pretty bad decisions. If you just love all of his work just because his hands are on it, your likely to be blinded to flaws by other artists as well. I suggest you look at his work from a more broad standpoint. Maybe think up some constructive criticism for him.
BadSugarOfficial *dusts off hands* Man you made that look easy :P
*middle finger*
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It's all tee-hee, but in reality he actually posted it in an actual news paper. And now he goes on for ten minutes mocking Burton in front of an audience. Going on and on about what an asshole and lousy artist Burton is. When he was the one that provoked Burton, and Burton merely reacted to that. He makes Burton into an angry asshole, when it might as well be that he was "joking" as well.
He's so upset over Burton reacting to a false accusation, that he can't let it go even after time has passed. Putting the blurb on his book. All like some kind of "joke", but it's pretty passive aggressive if you ask me.
Billy Nipnip On one hand is the camp that says nothing Kevin Smith does is worth caring about, but a throwaway article that was clearly Teehee etc, the point is is only passive aggressive in that your friend calling you an idiot is passive aggressive, it's an in joke that got taken out of hand demonstrated a little too publicly. Kevin wouldn't have any material right here if there hadn't been a reaction for him to have this story about.
Besides, Kevin lost out a movie because Burton demanded to be the screenwriter after Kevin smith got his done already. Either way Kevin can talk shit about burton and burton can deal with it.
Love it.
this is probably the very first video I saw on YT. After watching this, I ran to buy the "evening" DVDs
Tim Burton returning for one more Bat-flick would be AMAZING. And "The Dark Knight Returns" would be perfect inspiration, once more. Michael Keaton (the best Batman by far) is 60 years old now. Who better than he to portray a retired Batman. Just imagine how everyone would feel if Danny Elfman's amazing score entered our ears in a darkened theater one more time!
Joker-cameo,Catwoman-closure...
The biggest obstacle would be convincing Warner Bros. and Burton to do it.
Tim Burtons batman and batman returns are by far MY favourite of all time.. And ed scissorhands is a cult classic.. Kev smith is great.. But mall rats/dogma etc aren't exactly masterpieces.. But fun to watch nonetheless.. Just saying.. Peace
One overrated director talking about another overrated director. Doesn't balance.
One burger flipper, talking about a successful director..
I dont really like him.,... but i agree Burton is really overrated. His movies are the worse succesful shit I have ever seen
I wouldn't go that far, because I do like Scissorhands and his Batman films (which I admittedly own) as well as Big Fish and Ed Wood. But everything else is just the same, you know?
It is the same! Besides he destroyed Lewis Carroll's classic...! he made that crap of sleepy Hollow.... I have to say when the bride corpse was about to come out I was looking forwards to it... and I hated it, was horrible. And sorry.... I watched Big Fidh and I thought it was pretty bad, and stupid, I didn't know it was Burton's.....Ohhh and that crap of Dark Shadows! what is wrong with that dude?
Hey it's cool you're entitled to your opinion! But yeah I feel he's been getting more and more commercial as he goes...namely catering to the Hot Topic mall emo crowd.
Anyone seen the quote in the top right corner of "The Killing Joke"? "I loved THE KILLING JOKE... It's my favorite. It's the first comic I've ever loved." - Tim Burton
@TheDrRamsey Have you seen the end of "Jay and Silent Bob strikes back"?
Kevin not fit to lace up Tims shoe's
Funny he fires on Tim Burton, since Burton is a LEGEND, and smith has a GAY comic book show on A&E. Way to choose your battles Kevin. The ORIGINAL BATMAN, BURTON and KEATON will always OWN over any batman ever done
A: His "gay" comic show runs on AMC, not A&E
B: Burton's Batman was far from the original in every conceivable way
C: Christopher Nolan's Batman has clearly overthrown Burton's take as the definitive FILM version of the character
D: Burton's lost almost all of his artistic credibility in recent years with his overblown, hollow re-imaginings (Wonka, Alice, & Dark Shadows).
harrissizzle Regarding C:
Burton's last Batman film was 22 years ago, which is older than probably most of the people who saw the Nolan films in theaters.
Give us 20 more years and Nolan's movies will be discarded just the same.
Granted, Dark Knight will probably be remembered for quite a long time, but more for Ledger's performance than for Nolan's directorial work.
I'm sorry, how old are you?
I have to ask, because you're using the term GAY as an insult.
i would rather watch a Kevin Smith movie than a Tim Burton movie and coming from a huge fan of the original comic books Tim Burton's Batman movies are almost as bad as the green lantern and Christopher Nolan's are brilliant masterpieces. im sorry but when Tim Burton lost the the Batman movies and it went to Schumacher and so on i was extremely happy.
but yeah thats just my personal opinion
Burton's Batman films aren't really good by today's standards, but they were really fun when I was little.
Schumacher's films... were a pair of giant messes. Especially Batman and Robin.
Kevin's expression when the kid says "hey everyone go meet him in the lobby" was PRICELESS. I lol'd!
That look at the end. lol
Kevin Smith's relevance declined well over a decade ago. I've watched a few of these clips and I'm not surprised he was eventually cut off. I've no issue with cursing whatsoever..but to constantly drop f bombs (like you're an inarticulate frst bro) simply isn't professional. You don't dress like a slob either.
Butt hurts?
F****** privileged white people problems get a life
Claire Wurr Fuck off!
Scott Lyman How relevant he is to you =/= how relevant he is to everyone else
+Claire Wurr fuck off bietch
Smith's expression at the the was priceless.
I don't really care for Kevin Smith's films or his writing, but the man owns the stage. Tim Burton on the other hand is a genius!
He said he loved it because it was the first comic book he could actually read and follow. Theres an interview on the batman special features disc where he explains he couldnt read comics cause he would struggle with the order of things and he didnt know what panel to look at next and it frustrated him. the killing joke was the first comic he read that he didnt have to worry about that.
they appeal to anyone searching for what they want in life, im not saying there isnt crude humor in his films but there are underlying themes underneath all that. love, life, happiness, family, self esteem, self significance, and more is all there in his films, where he integrates his own personal experience in life into his films, he is a intelligent man with a sharp mind
his face at the end is priceless.
This is kind of sad...
+dustasdu Por que??
+dustasdu Huh? Why is this kinda sad?
Haha Thanks! I just respect people that put in the effort to make their work as true to the original story as possible. I'm a huge fan of The Godfather I & II. I firmly believe the major reason why those films were as incredible as they were was because Francis Ford Coppola sat down with Mario Puzo (author of The Godfather novel) and dissected it. He tried as hard as possible to recreate the novel into film.
for any of us who grew up in the 80s
he will always be marky mark
i lol'd so hard at Kevin Smith's face at the end
I could listen to this guy tell stories all fucking day.
Even though Burton's ouvere is much more widely-accepted (ie, marketable), watching this clip makes me want someone to remind him that, after 'Beetlejuice', no one gave a shit about him until 'Batman' and then suddenly he was being trumpeted as being some great visual genius. Without comic-book source material to work with, Burton would still be a mostly forgotten-about (albeit visually gifted) filmmaker.
Tim Burton had a lot of good ideas and some of his ideas were actually used in other movies.
For almost ten minutes I completely forgot that this guy used to be Silent Bob, then he pulls that face @9:27 and suddenly all the memories came flooding back.
Burtons Batman is a classic Comic book version. It was a fantastic film. It came out 20 years ago. When things weren't as serious. Its a fantastic film. Jack Nicholson as Joker floored me, and Michael Keaton was awesome as Batman.
@SkeletonHarmonics While I can agree that some people tend towards the graphic nature of Smith's movies, I have always found a much greater depth to the films. I think the difference for me is partially in character development and the emotional connection the characters experience. Burton pulls it off in a few of his films, Scissorhands and Big Fish especially, but frequently I feel that while the story is intense, certain aspects of the emotional spectrum are missing.
I love that someone talks about 1989 "The Year of the Bat" (dubbed by time magazine)...I'll never see anything like that again. Jurassic Park came close but the Btman hype was EVERYWHERE. Literally lol. Like Smith said - you couldn't turn your head without seeing the bat-signal...
From 2001 onward, the only Tim Burton films that I even remotely liked were Big Fish and Sweeney Todd. I don't know what happened to the Tim Burton, whose movies I used to love as a kid/teen, but I'd like to think that he's still out there somewhere, and it shows in those two films.
So was there ever an explanation as to the abrupt ending of that Q&A?
Aha, now I get him having that quote on his book. I was wondering that...
@PkrBarMovie What is wrong with films shot in B&W?
hey hey I Love Kevin and Tim they are Awesome
Burton's Batmans are the best super hero movies of all time by a LONG shot
He actually did put the Burton quote on the back of his novel :)
The ending was funny as hell with the union board.
Kevins face at the end "I'm gonna be in the lobby what now!?"
One reason why Christopher Nolan's Batman movies were so incredible is because he actually did his research. He read the comics and hired a COMIC BOOK writer/expert. Hell, even Christian Bale read some Batman comics. They care. Tim Burton just makes stuff up like what he did with Alice in Wonderland.
lol @ the ending, The organizers must have been Burton fans.
Smilies are On
It's available at liketelevision (d.0.T) Comm. 1920 Robert Wiene's : The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari, or Das Kabinett des Doktor Caligari. I think Burton imagines that people are ignorant so he can make himself sound upset when confronted... about his "original concepts"
does anyone have a link for that last clip?
most graphic novels involve a alternate/side story from the main story in the comic books.