CYC Gen 4 - Come on CYC! Show us the High Power!
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- Опубліковано 23 сер 2024
- This is a look at the CYC Gen 4 release video. I am disappointed that its just a puff piece and contains no real information in it. I would like to see how the motor sounds in comparison to previous generations. Some hard data on temperatures as well as distances it was ridden for. A CYC demo bike that is built to handle 6 KW of power. What is shown is something that could be done on any Bosch or Shimano Powered bike. Love to hear your thoughts in the comments. Are you considering getting a Gen 4 motor? What frame? Will you be running it at 6kw.
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I'm really glad you're calling out cyc on these issues. I came close to buying an x1 pro several times. But i read through the forums and FB groups and see tons of issues people have with them. I'll stick with my 72v BBSHD for now. It's been bulletproof pushing 72v for well over a year and I'm not gentle with it at all.
Thanks. I think they need to show more than a fancy video. Cheers
Are u on nylon gear? Are u full throttling most of the time?
Overprice Chinese crap go ahead waste your money
Nice. I have 5000 km on my stock BBSHD with no issues. Want more power tho. Whats a good upgrade controller?
@@ballandpaddle try the high voltage kit with asi 855. Up to 72v 4000 watts.
I agree, 100% with your comments on this video. CYC has a tendency to infrequently release these highly polished Hollywood blockbuster videos, which is not what we are looking for. Release basic videos, frequentlyaddressing questions from their customers. I left a comment on their Photon promo video telling them that we want to know about the repairability of the motor. I got over a dozen thumbs up, and CYC has never addressed that question.
No. Like with this they send out Cathy to answer 5 cherry picked questions and missed out all of the hard ones.
Overprice Chinese crap buy Is at your own risk
I guess I am going to be the crash test dummy for the the cyc pro gen 4. I am a london bike courier riding the central london circuit on a highly customised omnium v3 electric cargo bike. Currently it has a photon which has done almost 6000 miles and has had two major breakdowns. My omnium with a heavy cargo can weigh as much as 75 kg fully loaded. The photon has done well but it is underpowered for the kind of courier machine I ride. Therefore the shop will upgrade the motor to a cyc pro gen4 to solve the power problems. I will keep you posted.
6 bafang builds and counting 1 cyc ! no brainer! luv ur work thanks mate ! keep it greasy we go down easy !
That's plenty! Congrats. Love to see some on discord if you fancied sharing.
When I upgrade I'm probably going with TQ HPR50 since you can buy them as components now instead of spending 15k USD to get one on a bike - they're still about a kbuck so if I need another motor the Tongshen has been working fine for me and the torque sensor is really good on it so for about 270 just for the motor/display it's hard not to go with another TSDZ2B. I pulled it out the box, installed it, and it just worked. Nothing to write home about but there is also something to be said for zero issues (so far).
Not that familiar with that one! Yeah the Tongsheng is cheap. Also consider the DM02 its an improvement over that motor for not that much more.
Tried a gen 1 and it died in 1200km meanwhile my BBDHD still going strong with 30000km of abuse on it.
Right. Don't know a single cyc approaching that.
Bbbhd 52v or 72v ???
52v for now but wanting to try a 72 Asi kit@@ibrahim84iam
Overprice Chinese junk No customer service good luck
All generations seem to have the same issues, from what I have seen.
I was going to get one, but went for a bbshd no torque sensor but it's reliable
I really hope that we can get the M635 torque sensor to play nicely!
@@HighVoltageKits I hope so as well. I have been holding off on getting a bbshd to see where this goes with the torque sensor. I just got a bbs02 with a 52v 17.5ah battery in a trade (my first mid drive). Getting comfortable with this before jumping up to higher voltage. I have been following you for a while. When you started talking about trying to get the torque sensing to p.ay nice, I decided to hold off on an hd as I am looking at making a commuter. My route ha s many stops crossing major thoroughfares. A torque sensing setup would be great for this application.
For sure. Although the HV tuning has a very rapid engagement on PAS. Maybe a 1/4 turn. Hopefully more news on that shortly.
CYC expensive junk motor No customer service ai generated good luck
CYC is well known for inflating power ratings of their motors. Every value you must divide by 2 to get more realistic number. So in this case this motor is no more than 2500W.
I just want to see a 6kw bike they built themselves ridden genuinely hard for 5000+ kms and then see what it looks like.
I'm planning to build a gen 4 5kw hardtail, have a gen2 with bac2000 but swapped to x6 at 2kw pas, the bac2000 is on the parts shelf for another project.
Cool. Will need folks like you to give some genuine feedback. How the sprockets hold up. What drive train you go with etc. Be great to feature it and help others with theirs! Cheers
Your right, "For me" after i heard the CYC it was a no go.. i bought 2 Fang BBS02 instead 🤷 if they could make a high output motor that's not annoying id pick one up.
Hopefully this gen 4 will sort some issues out. I want to see them though!
You're right about the sound being the deal breaker. Bet this one will be as noisy as the Gen 3. And if so, no thanks. Will stick to my quiet and reliable BBSHD.
It would be easy to show it. I dunno why they don't
Hi, i am new to this channel, i got the BBS02 and CYC Stealth Gen 3, i would say the noise from CYC Stealth Gen 3 is a real drawback. I am quite regret to getting Stelth other than Photon.
Welcome to the channel! Its kinda high pitched which people tend not to like. Its a shame because it fits a lot of frames
I think the new bafang torque sensor motors will finally bridge the gap against the cyc photon, tongsheng tsdz2 and the new dm motors. I have a tsdz2 and a bbs02b. The tsdz2 is a good motor but they're too flimsy.
The whole thing is secured with crappy circlips. The bbs02b is just rock solid. A couple of weeks back we had floods in the uk, I had no choice but to ride with the motor submerged in water for a good 10 minutes, I had no choice as every possible route home was flooded. When I arrived home I took the motor apart and was surprised at the small amount of water that had penterated. I love these motors theirs no comparison in terms of reliability atm.
Absolutely. They are pretty awesome. Let's hope it works out with the BBSHD / M635
The Ristretto 512 will be the first mass retail ebike to use the gen 4. Will keep you posted on how things are going once I get it, expected in March. I don't think there is going to be any meaningful amount of reduced noise from gen 4, only some arbitrary % they may assign to it hence they don't use it as a selling point.
The Ristretto is interesting. A guy on the channel got one of the previous ones. They put a special version of the controller on it restricting the power, so it likely to be 3500 watts maximum. You might be right on the noise. Please update. Might be a good one for the channel if you are interested.
@@HighVoltageKits It will be capped at 4500w/250nm of torque
Right on. I would take the nm thing with a grain of salt. I doubt they measured it. Is it going to be single speed?
@@HighVoltageKits Ok will keep the NM in mind, but it's def up there. It's a single speed and reaches 30mph in literally 3-4 secs, and 38 in another few seconds, topping out/cruising at 40mph on flat. On uphills it has so much torque, it just keeps pulling with no drop in speed. 52v/30a battery btw. This is all great, big question is how long will the motor last for lol TBC..
You are right on the target with this video Captain Codswallop! There's nothing like truth in advertising, and this is typical advertising on their part.
Cheers. The daft thing is that it they show a 6kw demo bike doing its stuff and show the components lasting they will sell more motors. and have less issues.
My national agency, which sells fourth-generation motors, says the noise has decreased a lot compared to the third generation, but the manufacturer says there is not much difference in comments somewhere on the UA-cam video. If it had actually decreased, the manufacturer would have made a comparative video, but I'm more confident to see that it's not.
Not shocked at all. The fact they won't make this video along with the motor being the same construction and parts with a few minor tweaks suggests it will be just as loud. Its more the pitch that people find annoying. They know it hurts sales so making claims its now quieter is a good thing for them.
High Voltage Lightning Rod will be my next build!
Do a build thread on Discord.
In the end I do not trust CYC anymore. I run a X1 Pro Gen 2 here (with the option to upgrade to a Gen3 controller). When I met Cathy at Eurobike 2022 she promised that the software issues with the Android app for the Gen 2 will be fixed sometimes till the end of 2022. Then the new Gen 3 controller with new display and new app came out and surprise: No updates for the Gen 2 Android app anymore which programs the ASI 855. From what I have heared the Photon has similar software issues with the app. It´s not that the CYC X1 is a bad motor if you run it in decent power levels (e.g. 1-1.2 kW average with some peaks up to 1.4 kW) in PAS / torque mode but in high power throttle mode you will quickly waste either the X1 and / or your drive train. I have a Fat bike with stock BBS HD plus Eggrider. Also I build various BBS 02 fully MTBs with EggRider as well. I guess if the X1 dies on my fully I will either got the BBS 02 or BBS HD route. No money for CYC anymore. Especially getting spare parts in Germany is a true PITA and can get pretty expensive.
Yeah. You can't fault them for trying and keeping trying and there is a case to say they have got better but your story is not unique.
Would be good if they have a slimmer battery the cyc and others the battery is to bulky
My gen 3 stealth is going strong just hit 8 months
Yeah. There is definitely room for slim batteries that fit frames better. Good news on your Stealth, long may it continue!
I think they want other UA-camrs like your channel show how it works
It's the way its been in the past.
I need to see if the motor is battle Hardened first. If it's not, then it's a no-go for me
Agreed
I was thinking of adding on my old hardtail mountain bike, with single speed and running a 60v 60amps LiFePO4 battery, any thoughts?
I would be careful about how much draw the battery can take. But yeah why not. The draw is Watts / voltage = max amps. You want to leave some overhead though
@@HighVoltageKits It's a 60 amps BMS, I was thinking of protecting the motor, not the battery lol, also it's a LiFePO4 and usually can take full discharge without too much damage
I’ve been hurt by cyc before, they all seem to brake, overheat, and they’re expensive
But they’re fun when they work, so I expect CYC will hurt me again
The ones I hear on the comments that last are run well within their stated capacity.
@@HighVoltageKits
That’s good news, Sprag clutch broke on mine after 1300 miles
It’s funny how the BBSHD is under rated by Bafang and CYC is overrated by their marketing department.
Yep. I am going to very interested to see if they take up the challenge and show a 6kw bike and show the drivetrain needed to pull it off and after being abused for 6000kms
Hi sorry different subject. But are you aware of the new tongsheng tsdz8 48v750w model?
I heard about that from a couple of people and that it had issues. Might have just been a test model. Not much beyond that really. They had some Bafang engineers working with them on it.
what happened to De-bodgery, haven't seen any updates
I'm not sure. You can reach him on discord though.
Great points. Hope CYC is listening. Disappointed that with this new gen, they didn't upgrade to an IPM motor.
I don't think they can. I suspect they don't make the motor itself so its likely they are dependent on a third party. Otherwise they would have keyed the magnets three generations ago when it was suggested to them.
Idk why they won’t thoroughly test their products instead of having customers test it for them.
They are a smallish company but it drives me nuts they do this.
I think the only thing I will say is you’re kinda wanting too much. Because this is a diy kit and everybody will be putting these on extremely varied setups, so they can only do much testing.
They also have to appear more like a professional company than a hobby company.
I’m not so much concerned about their variety of frames but the length of running and conditions they test in. So like run it full bore up hills for 10km etc over and over and over. Because in the previous generations that’s what has resulted in failures. Hopefully this 4th generation will have greater reliability at the levels of power they are saying it can handle. It’s not a big motor and they are rating it above some really big and chunky QS motors.
it does look pretty good but the proof is in the pudding
Yes. By the end of the year we should know!
i don't see the point of having a torque sensor on a motor that has peak power and efficiency in the range of 250rpm. there is no way you can generate any leg torque at that crank rpm. obviously, 5000W @120rpm, which is what you can actually pedal at, would mean that you're pretty much instantly busting the freehub mechanism...
The setup that was being run with 6kw is not even being ridden with PAS. 72 volts on the CYC does not work great with PAS
There is QC built into engineering/design or not.
Enough said about CYC🧐
It's been consistently lacking. They have said its being worked on though.
I was looking at engwe m20 vs this one. But have no idea if it gonna fit
Maybe post some frame pics on our Discord and we can take a look.
@@HighVoltageKitsi hadn't use discord for years since it got hacked once. But i did saw videos up on youtube about they putting cyc pro gen 3 on m20. It need some modifies to fit so i move on with that frame. I don't want to do those sketchy mod that will avoid warranty. So i bought an custom frame with battery from datbike and paid moder to put on pedal. Was about to pick that up next weekend when all the mods order will be put together. Highly recommend you should look for that frame. Mine was from used Weaver but brand new battery from weaver 200.
@@HighVoltageKitsand yes, it will fit cyc x1 gen 4 cause i order it to be modied to accept x1 pro/stealth gen 3 and even toseven dm1.
Anyone know if the sprag clutch has been upgraded on the gen 4?
Not sure about the sprag clutch it terms of a component. They only mentioned the Torque sensor.
ThanksCap@@HighVoltageKits
I am one of the written off guys, No way I will spend to test.
Zero confidence in the brand
A while ago I thought that the cyc gen3 was what I wanted to build… but my next build will be a Lighting Rods for sure!
Makes me sad. You are not the only one.
@@elephantrockfarm1447lightning rods will be wild compared to this and infinitely more reliable
Wow! How about the fact that even going frame by frame in the vid you cant see the drive!? It could be anything on that bike! The quick view is not when it's being ridden. All the things builders care about are not featured at all in that video.
I am confident the motor is on there. But yeah. The video tells us nothing other than that they have a half decent rider and a drone.
bafang is cheaper and its bullet proof.
Once you add on an external controller its about similar. If you use our stuff then we do provide a crap ton of support thought.
The numbers doesn't add up. No way this tiny motor can dissipate the heat 5kw can generate.
BBSHD all day everyday. Way more powerful and reliable than this overpriced RC motor converted to be used on an ebike
The 350km hard testing was on an MX course. Apparently it did not get that hot..But that's not sustained either. That's on and off throttle bursts.
@@HighVoltageKitsYou really think mx riding is easy on the motor? Have you seen a mx race? Anyway, it was not mainly on a mx track. But it was part of it.
No. I just think that people deserve to see what the motor and sprockets look and sound like after way way more than 350km. It's not enough IMO. Their video is not enough. After four generations of this I have a right to expect more. This is just common sense and is nothing personal about you or your riding. It's not like they are paying you. You do the best you can. But how do you know whether after 2000kms it will not have an issue. The only way this makes sense is if they are saying that the motor is 3kw so you tested it at extremes beyond any normal person would. So look at the overhead. I am looking this from a very cold what's gone before perspective. This is not some scheme to push something else. Not Mike's stuff or our stuff. Nothing. I will be doing a comparison with the Photon and the DM02 but it won't mince words. There are lots of areas where the Photon wipes the floor with it.
Cool to see you testing it, please share some videos with motor temperature sensor directly on the stator👍
1300$ without taxes... No thanks.
Except it's really good, but time will tell.
Yeah it will. Apparently 350kms was the limit of tough testing on this.
350km was only my part of the testing. You know this, why lie mate?
I like your videos and your questions, I wish that you joined the cyc owners group on Facebook , close to 5000 members, a lot of people see your and your UA-cam channel 👍
I am on there. I posted a video just recently to help with the Sprag Clutch. My name on there is Captain Codswallop. Used to be the channel name here before it became High Voltage.
Don't buy this motor if you're willing to lose a $1000 For a paper weight Good luck with your customer service if you do
You got a bum deal for sure.
Yup, bum deal...?🙄
I'm sure there's more,🤐