Yeah Nordschleife was what got me addicted as well. It's just the best track ever. Also, being a mountainbiker myself, Nordschleife feels very natural, almost like a trail through the woods (which it kinda is) and thats what makes it so special to me.
Drive the nordshleife in January in ams 2 with the new foliage... Skinned trees with a light fog in the air... The lilas in spring.... It's beautiful especially in vr.
One thing I appreciated to see is how they got the vegetation very similiar in AMS2. At the Nordschleife that is a critical factor, as the trees create different shadows throughout the laps and it makes a very big difference while driving, both on sim and real life. I still love AC as my usual sim, but I appreciatte the effort from AMS2 to update this gorgeous piece of asphalt.
I'm sure to give the rF2 version a try since I recently got rF2 during the recent sale. Also, Raceroom just did a complete physics overhaul and I loved the difference. You should give it a try. Edit: The man has given it a try.
There is another one you could of done & no it’s not iRacing. RaceRoom have an excellent version as well & it just dropped a massive FFB update. Cool video. Thanks for sharing 👍🏻👍🏻🙃🙃
Wish I could give rFactor 2 a shot. We can feel your love when you talk about it. But the pricing… Unfortunately (?) I’m sticking with ACC, AMS2 and Assetto Corsa.
The Pricing is quite good. At the moment is Sale. Grab the packs. ACC costs about 100 Euro with complete content. If you buy the content, that ist used by the most people, you pay about 100 Euros at the moment, too. And you get much more content. Endurance Pack, track pack, gt3 pack, and Game,... At the moment: I own nearly all content of rf2. And a pay about 10 euros every two to three months for the new content. It's almost cheaper than acc for me.
It's a close call, rF2 has a more detailed mesh but I find AMS2 version more immersive (with the proper car). All things being said, we are extremely lucky to have 2 awesome versions of that track.
Great video! Interesting to see someone putting together a video with the differences, as this is also my favourite track, that I spend most time with. Well done!👍
You can edit the camera position in AMS2 by pressing ctrl+K then using WASD and some other keys (I forget off the top of my head) to adjust the camera, same in Project Cars 2. It means you can basically make your own custom cameras.
I like the AC & IRacing versions the best but that might just because they were scanned around the same time and match quite closely. AC is my fav just because running it with the CSP and Sol gives it lots of atmosphere.
AC is still my favorite version. Especially because modders have gone in and added a lot more extra detail to the track. Between the modding, the number of cars you can drive on it, and the quality of the FFB, the AC version is the one I always go back to. Cars in AC seem to react the most realistically to the track in AC as well in my opinion. I think the combination of the track and the physics in AC recreates the "character" of the corners the best. (although you are right about the bumps going uphill at Flugplatz)
AC has my favorite version, especially with new GT3 cars from RSS and URD, and track updates from Pyyer. But the curbs are super-duper unforgiving. To the point where its not even worth trying to use them.
@@speedibusrex Laser scanned like the others and with a whole host of ambient sounds added. Raves, parties, fans can call be heard around the track. Any of these modern sims can produce a great, accurate Nords. R3E added atmosphere to theirs in buckets as well as having a fantastic, scanned track.
@@Oscar__RH R3E just has the most amazing sound design. Unmatched everywhere, R3E somehow just raises the bar on sound so that all other titles look like a joke by comparison. I actually haven't driven the Nordschleife in R3E, but from your comment I feel like I just have to try it!
I have to admit, I never ever considered RF2 because its so old. However it was just on sale for like $15 here in Canada. So I took a stab at it. My god… the graphics are actually pretty good in my opinion, especially in the evening as the sun is going down, and at night. The FFB is very good, I really like the handling but I need more hours to really give an opinion on that. I regret not diving into RF2 earlier. The UI makes a massive difference (I tried RF2 before on my old system but never raced because I found the UI to be too ridiculous to know what was going on).
The curbing in AMS2 and Project cars 2 always took away my enjoyment. Cars look great nice weather but still doesnt look right when driving. While every other game almost with Nordschleife feels much better even GT Sport.
Found a suspicius name around 6.30 on AMS 2 Timetrial. Used that persons setup to chop several seconds of my peronal best. Thank you for your videos and the entertainment. 😊
I would have loved to see the R3e Version in this. I mean in my opinion the graphics are better than in rF2 and the detail of the road surface and the curbs is amazing from my perspective
r3e would definitly win in a sound comparison as there is hardbass playing in some spectator areas xD but IMO i feel like R3e also has some curbs that are to forgiving like in ams2. i love driving the DTM cars in r3e on the Nordschleife but for GT cars i will choose the rf2 version
@@diamondscapex4443 Yeah, it's probably not because of the track, but the car physics. The default setups are also quite good in raceroom, it could play a role.
@@diamondscapex4443 but look at the real lap in the Porsche on Nordschleife, they go over the curbs as they are not there. With standard setup you can't attack them as they do in real life. So that's not true what you are saying, it is more the opposite. But with the right setup you can attack them like in real life
In AM2 is not bumpy cars but bumpy camera, head moving, not car. In option reduced to 0 and good bye bumpy cars. In my opinion the most complete version Nordschleife is in AM2. I think after watch this video RF2 is very good, but not good as AM2 version. AM2 is not PC2, the same graphics engine, but not the same game engine. After last update to version 1.2 this game is better and better. Kerbs in AM2 must be updated in Nordschleife, definitely.
Cool Video! Thx! Could it be that the Camera in Kevin Estre’s Porsche is image stabilized or gimbaled? if you look at the BMW in the Carousel you can see it bounce quite a lot, but the Porsche image looks quite still. Or its just damn good dampers :-)
An interesting further take on this video is a comparison of all recent renditions of the Nordschleife across all platforms and game types: Project Cars 2, Forza 7, Gran Turismo Sport, Assetto Corsa, ACC, iRacing, AM2, rFactor, etc. That could be a way to entice viewers who might normally not see this channel (console players) to see what else is out there in PC land.
As you are a Ring obsessed sim racer there is no reason you couldn't do another video with R3E, iRacing an another of your choice. Call it best of the rest if you must but for me I love the R3E version, its the fine details and content that accompanies it. The AC version is the prettiest, the iRacing feels the most fearsome.
@@rextuller3498 cus he is an RF2 fanboy. Seems pointless to do a Nordschleife comparison video and then just dismiss several other popular versions. I'd like to see the comparison, especially since I don't own every title.
@@Krovven R3E ist the same Version like AC and iRacing, that´s the point, the rF2 scan is standalone and AMS2 say, they are using the most recent data, so there are the 3 big versions at the moment in the video ;)
Outstanding video. Not that you have this much time on your hands; but it would be fun to see a comparison between (the sims of your choice) surrounding Spa. Great work, man!
GREAT video Ermin!! This had to take some time, thanks! I would LOVE a video from you reviewing RF2's new BMW M4 Class 1 along with your setup tips...PRETTY PLEASE :)
Also, you should check out RaceRoom's version. I believe it has the same 3d scanning data as the AC one but with RaceRooms better physics overall it provides a better driving experience. I'd tie it with Rf2 for best Nordschleife rendition.
Thanks for your review. All I want now after watching this video is to come home from work as soon as possible and drive a few laps on the rFactor2 version of this track!
Well it is hard to tell. AMS2 is the most imersive and lifelike. It has great graphics, textures, colors... almost real. It is bumpy and it has the most recent changes of the track. rFactor 2 seems to be quite strange in textures and colors with the worst carusel but it is geometricly correct. AC is the oldest but to me, closest in AMS2 when we speak of imersive and lifelike feeling. It is very bumpy, the curbs are very dangerous and altimetly, it is the only one that gives you increased sence of danger as it should be in reality and true it is not forgiving at all, which for me, it is good. I never drove at the ring, but from what i see in real videos it is very very dangerous and you can crash anytime with the smallest mistake you will make if you aren't a skillful driver. Maybe AC exaggerate a little bit on this but i love that sense of danger.
Passionate about Nurburgring, it's impossible to use anything other than rF2. - The best graphics of this track in simracing and a graphics engine that for 1 year is really beautiful. - rF2 has the most exhaustive layouts from the Nurburgring. - The most faithful and the most detailed in terms of the physics track. - Very realistic day night/cycle. - Rain which begins to be sufficiently beautiful. - Above all, unlimited multiclass cars + 103 AI....... - Incredible driving realism and feeling (rF2......). - Good sounds especially with Dodd's sound on racedepartment). - Very configurable weather. - Little extras : very realistic realroad that can be put in an autosave mode, resumed after as many hours of play (resume after replay), as in real life it does not necessarily rain on all the track at the same time (depending on the clouds). It's just exciting the Nurburgring on rFactor 2. How to go elsewhere? rFactor 2 : MIAAAM !
Ahh, a video from a true obsessive! Nice work Ermin. Also quite a good way to try and embed the corner sequence in my mind, which I still struggle with.
So I have to say I enjoy your SIMS channel very much. I enjoy you are not bragging neither beggins comparaed to other channels ( we know who we are talking about). You describe the cars and tracks beautifully. But like most other channels you describe soooooo many details. And I have to ask: You get all that from a steering wheel? You get tire deflection from a steering wheel? You must have a setup where your seat skim drift and bumps around, there is no way I can see how you get all this information form a steering wheel. What am I m I missing here??? Cheers.
@@NuScorpii He didn't really explain though, did he? He basically said iR and R3E would just lose anyway, so he excluded them from the get go, which isn't much of an explanation. I am not sure why iR and R3E should be inferior to AC for instance. They are all based on laser scanned data from few years ago, there's no reason why AC should be superior by default...
@@panvlk in fact the iR version is the most accurate beside the rf2 version in all aspects. not only roadsurface but also curbshapes and peripheral vision. Also the iR, AC, and R3E versions share the same Laserscan. in 2015 the nos got laserscanned by a french company and all three sims bought that laserscan.
Note that AC's version were created before they flattened the flugplatz in late 2015ish because of a GT-R GT3 flip into air and killing spectators. Unlike RF2's version you can just flatout on the flugplatz overcrest in GT3's , you'll have to lift-off before the creast in AC. AMS2's version feel's like in-between.
This!!!!! This is an awesome, no brilliant sim racing video! Love it! I’d say the AC version is king but that’s because the RF2 version takes forever to load and I don’t own AMS2 as I’m not sure about it. lol Excellent work Ermin! Cheers 🍻😎🤙
We need this with the Le Mans track. Such an iconic track, but the only realistic versions are the ones in iRacing and rFactor 2. A shame there is no realistic version in AC or AMS2
If they bring back a lot of stuff from Pcars2 and maybe get the license, we should get it back, hopefully. I mean we got Daytona, GTEs, Nordschleife, Silverstone and Hockenheim with old layouts. But man do I hope Reiza uncludes the original Daytona. Might even get the old layouts, the old 1970 Le Mans in Pcars2 was scary. At least I hope we get the Pcars2 content in AMS2.
Great review. Lots of hard work - Many thanks. My comments : Having recently achieved 1'000 hours ACC (GT3), I decided to concentrate some time learning RF2 and drive a Porsche around Nürburgring Nordschleife both GR3 and GTE. Immediately I was aware of some problems ! The RF2 GT3 tyres should be Pirelli DHD or perhaps DHE and running at 190 kPa - 23°C amb. However, at those pressures the Porsche GT3 is just sliding around and understeers if using a default setup. I must drop down the 150 kPa front and 140 kPa rear to generate any grip from the tyres and to balance HOT tyre pressures. I know from Pirelli that that would lead to small deflations every time you touched a curb, ( what we have too often in ACC even at recommended pressures and which drives me mad )! . Erim, if you have time, based on your RF2 experience, maybe you could provide some information. That would be brilliant and I’m sure other readers are interested in this discussion. Keep safe. All quoted tyre pressures are HOT after 75% of a lap Nürburgring Nordschleife - measured with Motec Test conditions : dry, 9:00 AM, cloudy, 23°C Rubbered in and saved 190 kPa = 27.5 psi 140 kPa = 20.3 psi Going onto GTE, Michelin tyres I presume , does anybody know the recommended hot running pressures? What would be the optimum HOT running pressures for the Porsche 911 RSR GTE ) Does anybody have a tyre data sheet ?
There are huge issues with the rF2 tyre model at present, which you're finding out about there. Unfortunately you cannot go off real life pressure recommendations for rF2 at present. It's something we've hoped that they would address for some years.
rFactor2 Nordschleife is the best version I've tried. After two weeks of being impressed with AMS2's Porsche GTE at Nordschleife in VR I tried rFactor2 again and now AMS2 feels terrible. Will AMS2 improve their physics to rFactor2 levels, will rFactor2 improve their graphics to AMS2 levels..
The original Assetto Corsa is still the king for me. I absolutely love the ACC but I only have PS4 and the gameplay is not 100% smooth. I prefer the AC. The sequel has to be pretty extraordinary if it ever becomes my driving game of choice. AC is just legendary.
All the laser scanned tracks should be 100% identical. So it really comes down to which game drives the best because quite a few games have a laser scanned Nurburgring. If laser scanned track arent identical, we have a faker amongst us!
off topic coment, im not a native english speaker and I wonder why you tittle this video "what is the best version" and not "wich is the best version", maybe someone can help me with this gramatical question, thanks :)
AMS2 seems to have a more realistic suspension model than ACC - in ACC the spring rates have to be set as soft as possible to get best lap times. How about doing a comparison on that topic..?
*What good is the most accurate Track, if the Physics aren't good, so the total Package has to be the best....we conclude: "Most accurate Track + perfect Physics = AWESOME Experience" ;)*
The AMS2-track is visually new, but the laserscanned data is the same then the one from AC, iRacing and Raceroom, so rF2 has the latest laserscan. Real life GT3-cars have 5% less power than usual and need to run 75 mm minimum ride height with this slowest BOP in GT3-racing. Since the pro-drivers can run 8:12 laptimes despite the disadvantages (but with re-paved sections not in any version yet), lap-times close to 8 min. might be realistic with about 30 hp more power and better ground-effect. The Nordschleife needs a car-setup far softer than for any other track, pro-drivers are saying.
I find it misleading that AMS 2 are calling it a '2020' version when the only difference appears to be superficial (wall at Hatzenbach). I'm not aware of the track being re-scanned since the resurfacing, and it's fairly obvious by the way the mesh feels when you drive the AMS version.
AC is the OG, I remember the hype when they announced it. What hurts AC graphically are mostly the cardboard trees nowadays. They just... don't blend in that nicely. AMS2: hold my suspension. I was so hyped for 1.2 but I keep disappointing myself. Fingers crossed Reiza can turn it around. rF2: the PBR update gets some flack here, but for my eyes how the road looks is the best among all sims. Haven't played around much in Nords (hold my loading times), maybe I should try the new M4 Class 1 there :)
I’ve just brought myself about 1899$ of sim racing gear new to hobby I’ve been playing iracing but I’ve mixed emotions on it with the amount of stuff I need to buy just to enjoy it does anyone have any recommendations to any other sim racers that are like iracing with out all there wired UI launch/picking races and no minus transactions to the point your locked to all scuffed race cars etc like mx5 I’ve been driving that race for a week now and I can not for life of me get a win I’ve been 3rd but I’m so over the mx5 I wanna do the big races but I don’t wanna spend 100s on buying the races and tracks
Be interesting to see how Automobilista 2 drives with those curbs corrected. Given how bouncy the car appears to be in the current state it could make for an interesting drive and could be why they have made them a bit too shallow.
for me personaly rf2 and iracing version are the most accurate in all aspects. roadsurface, curbshape, peripheral vision (trees, landshape ect). AC and RRE and AMS2 might have an laserscanned roadsurface but other aspects as curbshape and peripheral vision are way off on that versions. also you need to have in mind that ir,ac,rre and ams2 scans are from 2015 and rf2 scan is from 2018. rf2 has the renewed flugplatz part.
I'd take iRacing over AMS2 tbh. I uninstalled AMS2, and won't reinstall it. I'd rather also drive the more brutal AC1 version compared to the hollywood-physics in AMS2. Even the replays in AMS2 look Mickey Mouse with the car bouncing around like a Land Rover on hydrolastic suspension... AMS2 has not returned on my high financial investment sadly. It's too unrealistic to drive in, so having the newest scan version to me is irrelevant. Nord is about the car and track, the experience of lapping in total. From all 5 titles, AMS2 would score last for me due to the physics. Gr8 vid.
I prefer older pre-PBR update too in rfactor 2. Road colors looked much better and so immersive. Colors are way too light now with saturation slider -20.
AMSL 2 is bumpy? of course, try a gt3 setup superstiff of SPA on the nurb... i wonder why in other sim std setup is good for everything, Nurb is fot ultrasoft setup.
AMS2 is the most fun and immersive one for me. plus, it is the only rendition of the nordschleife where i lap under 8:20 in the 911. the only downside is that you can only drive with a maximum of 29 ai
![[UA] Team Vitality проти NAVI | IEM Cologne 2024](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/wttO1zVRTC0/mqdefault.jpg)
Yeah Nordschleife was what got me addicted as well. It's just the best track ever.
Also, being a mountainbiker myself, Nordschleife feels very natural, almost like a trail through the woods (which it kinda is) and thats what makes it so special to me.
Drive the nordshleife in January in ams 2 with the new foliage... Skinned trees with a light fog in the air... The lilas in spring.... It's beautiful especially in vr.
One thing I appreciated to see is how they got the vegetation very similiar in AMS2. At the Nordschleife that is a critical factor, as the trees create different shadows throughout the laps and it makes a very big difference while driving, both on sim and real life. I still love AC as my usual sim, but I appreciatte the effort from AMS2 to update this gorgeous piece of asphalt.
AC is where my heart lies..
You should try a simulator.
Its the only one i can afford xD
@@smashedlegends ac is an arcade game,you are right..
@@smashedlegends cringe
@@smashedlegends Then please tell my what simulator is more of a simulator?
Every sim has it's flaws but rF2 gets my vote on this one.
Not in race with bots, Am2 real racing but RF2 bots are quite stupid
I'm sure to give the rF2 version a try since I recently got rF2 during the recent sale.
Also, Raceroom just did a complete physics overhaul and I loved the difference. You should give it a try.
Edit: The man has given it a try.
Spent a few hours on race room yesterday, so much fun!
There is another one you could of done & no it’s not iRacing. RaceRoom have an excellent version as well & it just dropped a massive FFB update. Cool video. Thanks for sharing 👍🏻👍🏻🙃🙃
R3E, AC and iRacing all using the same laserscandata, there is no big difference between this 3
Wish I could give rFactor 2 a shot. We can feel your love when you talk about it. But the pricing… Unfortunately (?) I’m sticking with ACC, AMS2 and Assetto Corsa.
Get it on a steam sale... the amount of free content for it (tracks & cars!) is enormous.
The Pricing is quite good. At the moment is Sale. Grab the packs.
ACC costs about 100 Euro with complete content. If you buy the content, that ist used by the most people, you pay about 100 Euros at the moment, too. And you get much more content.
Endurance Pack, track pack, gt3 pack, and Game,...
At the moment: I own nearly all content of rf2. And a pay about 10 euros every two to three months for the new content. It's almost cheaper than acc for me.
it aint great, its a mess
you need to get into Raceroom 1 day. the reason why i say this in this video is because raceroom has an offically scanned version of the nordschleife
Yes, Raceroom uses the same data as AC and iRacing ;)
There is a Porsche 911 GT3 sound mod for AC found on RD, I recommend you using it since it's much better than original sounds.
Thanks I’ll look for that. I’m just beginning on pc. 👍🏻
Great comparison video, appreciate the time & effort put in to this, thank you 👍
It's a close call, rF2 has a more detailed mesh but I find AMS2 version more immersive (with the proper car). All things being said, we are extremely lucky to have 2 awesome versions of that track.
Great video! Interesting to see someone putting together a video with the differences, as this is also my favourite track, that I spend most time with. Well done!👍
You can edit the camera position in AMS2 by pressing ctrl+K then using WASD and some other keys (I forget off the top of my head) to adjust the camera, same in Project Cars 2. It means you can basically make your own custom cameras.
I like the AC & IRacing versions the best but that might just because they were scanned around the same time and match quite closely. AC is my fav just because running it with the CSP and Sol gives it lots of atmosphere.
I agree. IRacing and AC have the best Versions and most accurate
@@donzmeuheu6153 only AC :)
as much as I enjoy both AC and AMS2, I always go back to RF2
AC is still my favorite version. Especially because modders have gone in and added a lot more extra detail to the track. Between the modding, the number of cars you can drive on it, and the quality of the FFB, the AC version is the one I always go back to. Cars in AC seem to react the most realistically to the track in AC as well in my opinion. I think the combination of the track and the physics in AC recreates the "character" of the corners the best. (although you are right about the bumps going uphill at Flugplatz)
AC has my favorite version, especially with new GT3 cars from RSS and URD, and track updates from Pyyer. But the curbs are super-duper unforgiving. To the point where its not even worth trying to use them.
My 2 cents:
1) RRE (best overall)
2) rf2 (best mesh, bad vegetation)
3) Iracing (very bright ad good mesh)
4) AC (nice vegetation)
5) AMS2 (strange curbs
in real life the image seems less bouncy because the camera they using has image stabilization.
Agreed. Also: less frames per second.
R3Es Version is amazing!
@@speedibusrex Laser scanned like the others and with a whole host of ambient sounds added. Raves, parties, fans can call be heard around the track. Any of these modern sims can produce a great, accurate Nords. R3E added atmosphere to theirs in buckets as well as having a fantastic, scanned track.
True. But for this track you really want day/night and rain as options. I do love driving it in R3E though.
@@Oscar__RH R3E just has the most amazing sound design. Unmatched everywhere, R3E somehow just raises the bar on sound so that all other titles look like a joke by comparison. I actually haven't driven the Nordschleife in R3E, but from your comment I feel like I just have to try it!
@@Oscar__RH Agree RaceRoom has by far the best ambiant and car sounds. They really need to add weather conditions now.
i miss Raceroom in your comparsion?
I have to admit, I never ever considered RF2 because its so old. However it was just on sale for like $15 here in Canada. So I took a stab at it. My god… the graphics are actually pretty good in my opinion, especially in the evening as the sun is going down, and at night. The FFB is very good, I really like the handling but I need more hours to really give an opinion on that. I regret not diving into RF2 earlier. The UI makes a massive difference (I tried RF2 before on my old system but never raced because I found the UI to be too ridiculous to know what was going on).
The curbing in AMS2 and Project cars 2 always took away my enjoyment. Cars look great nice weather but still doesnt look right when driving. While every other game almost with Nordschleife feels much better even GT Sport.
Racerooms nords is amazing
RaceRoom with 100 cars man. Can’t do that anywhere else.
Surely, rF2 can handle you and 103 opponents ;)
@@astraalex Raceroom is the most authentic for me with Techno music pounding out from the crowd!!
In Ac you can get a mod that has 108 pits for the Nurburgring.
If race room gets a graphics update I will play it.
rF2 unlimited kind of cars and multiclass + 103 AI. Only 2/3 of the strengh of my i7 5Ghz CPU.
Found a suspicius name around 6.30 on AMS 2 Timetrial. Used that persons setup to chop several seconds of my peronal best. Thank you for your videos and the entertainment. 😊
I would have loved to see the R3e Version in this. I mean in my opinion the graphics are better than in rF2 and the detail of the road surface and the curbs is amazing from my perspective
r3e would definitly win in a sound comparison as there is hardbass playing in some spectator areas xD but IMO i feel like R3e also has some curbs that are to forgiving like in ams2. i love driving the DTM cars in r3e on the Nordschleife but for GT cars i will choose the rf2 version
@@diamondscapex4443 I had a quick look at Nordschleife lap in R3E and the curbs look similar to AC, they are not as flat as AMS2.
@@panvlk not flat but forgiving. It might be the physic engine in r3e but you can really attack a lot of the curbs there without being punnished
@@diamondscapex4443 Yeah, it's probably not because of the track, but the car physics. The default setups are also quite good in raceroom, it could play a role.
@@diamondscapex4443 but look at the real lap in the Porsche on Nordschleife, they go over the curbs as they are not there. With standard setup you can't attack them as they do in real life. So that's not true what you are saying, it is more the opposite. But with the right setup you can attack them like in real life
I would have really liked to see iRacing here…
Ermin has a irrational hateboner for iRacing so good luck with that lol
@@boogityboogity7633 Hateboner. lul.
Iracing doesn't count sorry
About 240 days of rain at the Nürburgring and the last 24h without rain was in 2003 iirc. Without rain you can't call it a sim.
@@boogityboogity7633 rational hateboner
In AM2 is not bumpy cars but bumpy camera, head moving, not car. In option reduced to 0 and good bye bumpy cars. In my opinion the most complete version Nordschleife is in AM2. I think after watch this video RF2 is very good, but not good as AM2 version. AM2 is not PC2, the same graphics engine, but not the same game engine. After last update to version 1.2 this game is better and better. Kerbs in AM2 must be updated in Nordschleife, definitely.
Love AMS2 at all... better graphic,feeling,driving,physiks,FFB,weather, Imo. (PC with Wheel and Pedals)
Cool Video! Thx! Could it be that the Camera in Kevin Estre’s Porsche is image stabilized or gimbaled? if you look at the BMW in the Carousel you can see it bounce quite a lot, but the Porsche image looks quite still. Or its just damn good dampers :-)
An interesting further take on this video is a comparison of all recent renditions of the Nordschleife across all platforms and game types: Project Cars 2, Forza 7, Gran Turismo Sport, Assetto Corsa, ACC, iRacing, AM2, rFactor, etc. That could be a way to entice viewers who might normally not see this channel (console players) to see what else is out there in PC land.
Heya Ermin, I'd love you to do this video again with Raceroom included!
As you are a Ring obsessed sim racer there is no reason you couldn't do another video with R3E, iRacing an another of your choice. Call it best of the rest if you must but for me I love the R3E version, its the fine details and content that accompanies it. The AC version is the prettiest, the iRacing feels the most fearsome.
Up, that is so true. Sense of fear is immense in iRacing. And the Green Hell definitely needs to be fearsome
Quality video, quite a bit of work went into this, interesting!
R3E has a laser scanned version.
Suprisef he left out raceroom, blasphemy
@@rextuller3498 cus he is an RF2 fanboy. Seems pointless to do a Nordschleife comparison video and then just dismiss several other popular versions. I'd like to see the comparison, especially since I don't own every title.
@@Krovven fo real, RF2 aint even that good or mainstream this dude in shambles...in the mud. needs to find guidance
@@rextuller3498 ,RF2 as the best physics engine and FFB,that all that matters.
@@Krovven R3E ist the same Version like AC and iRacing, that´s the point, the rF2 scan is standalone and AMS2 say, they are using the most recent data, so there are the 3 big versions at the moment in the video ;)
Outstanding video. Not that you have this much time on your hands; but it would be fun to see a comparison between (the sims of your choice) surrounding Spa.
Great work, man!
I normally stick to Assetto Corsa but honestly this video is the reason I'm downloading RF2 right now.
actually i found this while i was waiting for the rf2 dl to complete lol
Personally enjoy Nordschleife most on Rfactor 2. Do like GT Sport version too especially in dark but play only VR on PC now.
Do not get discouraged. rF2 is both the most realistic simulation but also the least userfriendly sim in the world.
GREAT video Ermin!! This had to take some time, thanks! I would LOVE a video from you reviewing RF2's new BMW M4 Class 1 along with your setup tips...PRETTY PLEASE :)
rF2 still King.
Especially in terms of track quality and FFB of course.
Also, you should check out RaceRoom's version. I believe it has the same 3d scanning data as the AC one but with RaceRooms better physics overall it provides a better driving experience. I'd tie it with Rf2 for best Nordschleife rendition.
If I could swap rf2 load times with that of AMS2, I would actually play it more than never.
I can’t wait for you to review the new June r3e update!
I just don't get it why you didn't compare the iracing and the raceroom version?
Thanks for your review. All I want now after watching this video is to come home from work as soon as possible and drive a few laps on the rFactor2 version of this track!
if there was a content manager for rF2 that would be my go to sim.
There is, its just sh*t lol, look for it in game.
I wish every game had a Content Manager. I'm assuming you mean like the mod program for Assetto Corsa.
rF2 has a content manager.
Well it is hard to tell. AMS2 is the most imersive and lifelike. It has great graphics, textures, colors... almost real. It is bumpy and it has the most recent changes of the track. rFactor 2 seems to be quite strange in textures and colors with the worst carusel but it is geometricly correct. AC is the oldest but to me, closest in AMS2 when we speak of imersive and lifelike feeling. It is very bumpy, the curbs are very dangerous and altimetly, it is the only one that gives you increased sence of danger as it should be in reality and true it is not forgiving at all, which for me, it is good. I never drove at the ring, but from what i see in real videos it is very very dangerous and you can crash anytime with the smallest mistake you will make if you aren't a skillful driver. Maybe AC exaggerate a little bit on this but i love that sense of danger.
Passionate about Nurburgring, it's impossible to use anything other than rF2.
- The best graphics of this track in simracing and a graphics engine that for 1 year is really beautiful.
- rF2 has the most exhaustive layouts from the Nurburgring.
- The most faithful and the most detailed in terms of the physics track.
- Very realistic day night/cycle.
- Rain which begins to be sufficiently beautiful.
- Above all, unlimited multiclass cars + 103 AI.......
- Incredible driving realism and feeling (rF2......).
- Good sounds especially with Dodd's sound on racedepartment).
- Very configurable weather.
- Little extras : very realistic realroad that can be put in an autosave mode, resumed after as many hours of play (resume after replay), as in real life it does not necessarily rain on all the track at the same time (depending on the clouds).
It's just exciting the Nurburgring on rFactor 2.
How to go elsewhere?
rFactor 2 : MIAAAM !
yeah and if your lucky you can load your screen in less than 10 minutes xDDDDDDD
@@fan2hd277
Lol yes it is a big issue.
I agree 100%
Ahh, a video from a true obsessive! Nice work Ermin. Also quite a good way to try and embed the corner sequence in my mind, which I still struggle with.
So I have to say I enjoy your SIMS channel very much. I enjoy you are not bragging neither beggins comparaed to other channels ( we know who we are talking about).
You describe the cars and tracks beautifully.
But
like most other channels you describe soooooo many details.
And I have to ask:
You get all that from a steering wheel?
You get tire deflection from a steering wheel?
You must have a setup where your seat skim drift and bumps around, there is no way I can see how you get all this information form a steering wheel.
What am I m I missing here???
Cheers.
You forgot RaceRoom in this comparison though.
R3E can't even get the GP circuit right.
Did you watch the video? He does explain.
@@NuScorpii He didn't really explain though, did he? He basically said iR and R3E would just lose anyway, so he excluded them from the get go, which isn't much of an explanation. I am not sure why iR and R3E should be inferior to AC for instance. They are all based on laser scanned data from few years ago, there's no reason why AC should be superior by default...
@@panvlk in fact the iR version is the most accurate beside the rf2 version in all aspects. not only roadsurface but also curbshapes and peripheral vision. Also the iR, AC, and R3E versions share the same Laserscan. in 2015 the nos got laserscanned by a french company and all three sims bought that laserscan.
Raceroom Racing Experience?
Note that AC's version were created before they flattened the flugplatz in late 2015ish because of a GT-R GT3 flip into air and killing spectators. Unlike RF2's version you can just flatout on the flugplatz overcrest in GT3's , you'll have to lift-off before the creast in AC. AMS2's version feel's like in-between.
This!!!!! This is an awesome, no brilliant sim racing video! Love it!
I’d say the AC version is king but that’s because the RF2 version takes forever to load and I don’t own AMS2 as I’m not sure about it. lol
Excellent work Ermin! Cheers 🍻😎🤙
We need this with the Le Mans track. Such an iconic track, but the only realistic versions are the ones in iRacing and rFactor 2. A shame there is no realistic version in AC or AMS2
If they bring back a lot of stuff from Pcars2 and maybe get the license, we should get it back, hopefully.
I mean we got Daytona, GTEs, Nordschleife, Silverstone and Hockenheim with old layouts.
But man do I hope Reiza uncludes the original Daytona.
Might even get the old layouts, the old 1970 Le Mans in Pcars2 was scary.
At least I hope we get the Pcars2 content in AMS2.
Great review. Lots of hard work - Many thanks.
My comments :
Having recently achieved 1'000 hours ACC (GT3), I decided to concentrate some time learning RF2 and drive a Porsche around Nürburgring Nordschleife both GR3 and GTE. Immediately I was aware of some problems ! The RF2 GT3 tyres should be Pirelli DHD or perhaps DHE and running at 190 kPa - 23°C amb. However, at those pressures the Porsche GT3 is just sliding around and understeers if using a default setup. I must drop down the 150 kPa front and 140 kPa rear to generate any grip from the tyres and to balance HOT tyre pressures. I know from Pirelli that that would lead to small deflations every time you touched a curb, ( what we have too often in ACC even at recommended pressures and which drives me mad )! .
Erim, if you have time, based on your RF2 experience, maybe you could provide some information. That would be brilliant and I’m sure other readers are interested in this discussion. Keep safe.
All quoted tyre pressures are HOT after 75% of a lap Nürburgring Nordschleife - measured with Motec
Test conditions : dry, 9:00 AM, cloudy, 23°C Rubbered in and saved
190 kPa = 27.5 psi 140 kPa = 20.3 psi
Going onto GTE, Michelin tyres I presume , does anybody know the recommended hot running pressures?
What would be the optimum HOT running pressures for the Porsche 911 RSR GTE )
Does anybody have a tyre data sheet ?
There are huge issues with the rF2 tyre model at present, which you're finding out about there. Unfortunately you cannot go off real life pressure recommendations for rF2 at present.
It's something we've hoped that they would address for some years.
@@Ermz Many thanks for you confirmation. I stick with 20 psi for the time being.
Ctrl K is your friend in AMS2 to get the camera where you need or want. Only it wont save for next time :(
I have about 4,000 miles logged on the AMS2 version.
What is that ambient track that starts playing at 17:00. Is that Fallout? Or Elder Scrolls? Sounds familiar but cannot figure out (or find online)
Looks like you used my Porsche 912 skin from RD, if yes I'm happy to see it 😀
iRacing and RF2 are my favs still
iRacing I have all simulators and for me iRacing it's the best version
but it´s the same like the AC and Raceroom versions ;)
I´m wondering how the Project Cars 1 and 2 version(s) compare especially to the Automobilista 2 one
rFactor2 Nordschleife is the best version I've tried. After two weeks of being impressed with AMS2's Porsche GTE at Nordschleife in VR I tried rFactor2 again and now AMS2 feels terrible. Will AMS2 improve their physics to rFactor2 levels, will rFactor2 improve their graphics to AMS2 levels..
no and no I would say.
how did you get the grello skin on rf2?
Ah continuing with the epic Kevin Estre lapping of Nords! Nice
The original Assetto Corsa is still the king for me. I absolutely love the ACC but I only have PS4 and the gameplay is not 100% smooth. I prefer the AC. The sequel has to be pretty extraordinary if it ever becomes my driving game of choice. AC is just legendary.
i want to get rfactor2, but my question is,are
the car free? i mean you can buy it with ingame cash , or u need to paid with real money for each car?
Not a comparison video unless you do ALL the relevant versions like Iracing and and raceroom. Outcome may not differ in ones mind but still.
EH made a 20 minute video so he had an excuse to watch and talk about Kevin Estre and RF2 Nords lol. I respect it
i've spent at least 2000hr lapping nordshleife in ac, it is -my- best
Hmmm you're clearly a Nurburg fan. Make you a favour, use rF2 for Nurburgring. Believe me.
I knew you would say rfactor. My choice to. Can't wait to see what AC 2 is going to be like. A few people have been talking about it coming. Will see
What were the times posted in each title?
All the laser scanned tracks should be 100% identical.
So it really comes down to which game drives the best because quite a few games have a laser scanned Nurburgring.
If laser scanned track arent identical, we have a faker amongst us!
Definitely agree about RF2. Really enjoyed this detailed and knowledgeable discussion of the Nordschleife!
off topic coment, im not a native english speaker and I wonder why you tittle this video "what is the best version" and not "wich is the best version", maybe someone can help me with this gramatical question, thanks :)
I'll stick with raceroom and AC versions, but nice review.
AMS2 seems to have a more realistic suspension model than ACC - in ACC the spring rates have to be set as soft as possible to get best lap times. How about doing a comparison on that topic..?
*What good is the most accurate Track, if the Physics aren't good, so the total Package has to be the best....we conclude: "Most accurate Track + perfect Physics = AWESOME Experience" ;)*
Does Ams2 have a laser scanned tracks?
yep,nurb is laser scanned (i think)
is driving regular cars an option?
I really don't know...I just get into a zone when I drive this track and don't really care what version I am driving 😀This track is so amazing 👍
Ermin, try Nordschleife in VR version on this games. And, Iracing and RRRE versions to.
The AMS2-track is visually new, but the laserscanned data is the same then the one from AC, iRacing and Raceroom, so rF2 has the latest laserscan. Real life GT3-cars have 5% less power than usual and need to run 75 mm minimum ride height with this slowest BOP in GT3-racing. Since the pro-drivers can run 8:12 laptimes despite the disadvantages (but with re-paved sections not in any version yet), lap-times close to 8 min. might be realistic with about 30 hp more power and better ground-effect. The Nordschleife needs a car-setup far softer than for any other track, pro-drivers are saying.
I find it misleading that AMS 2 are calling it a '2020' version when the only difference appears to be superficial (wall at Hatzenbach). I'm not aware of the track being re-scanned since the resurfacing, and it's fairly obvious by the way the mesh feels when you drive the AMS version.
Honestly non of the sims have curbs that are as aggressive as real life. Not just AMS2
Best version of Nordschleife : Gran Turismo sport on Playstation 4.
PGR4 gets my vote
Hi, where would you place the Raceroom one now?
Hey. Probably slightly below the AC one!
@@Ermz Thanks :)
I thought that my ACC broke when it comes to sound of 911 on 6th gear :P but in real life it sounds the same 😲
iRacing
AC is the OG, I remember the hype when they announced it. What hurts AC graphically are mostly the cardboard trees nowadays. They just... don't blend in that nicely.
AMS2: hold my suspension. I was so hyped for 1.2 but I keep disappointing myself. Fingers crossed Reiza can turn it around.
rF2: the PBR update gets some flack here, but for my eyes how the road looks is the best among all sims. Haven't played around much in Nords (hold my loading times), maybe I should try the new M4 Class 1 there :)
I’ve just brought myself about 1899$ of sim racing gear new to hobby I’ve been playing iracing but I’ve mixed emotions on it with the amount of stuff I need to buy just to enjoy it does anyone have any recommendations to any other sim racers that are like iracing with out all there wired UI launch/picking races and no minus transactions to the point your locked to all scuffed race cars etc like mx5 I’ve been driving that race for a week now and I can not for life of me get a win I’ve been 3rd but I’m so over the mx5 I wanna do the big races but I don’t wanna spend 100s on buying the races and tracks
Be interesting to see how Automobilista 2 drives with those curbs corrected. Given how bouncy the car appears to be in the current state it could make for an interesting drive and could be why they have made them a bit too shallow.
for me personaly rf2 and iracing version are the most accurate in all aspects. roadsurface, curbshape, peripheral vision (trees, landshape ect).
AC and RRE and AMS2 might have an laserscanned roadsurface but other aspects as curbshape and peripheral vision are way off on that versions.
also you need to have in mind that ir,ac,rre and ams2 scans are from 2015 and rf2 scan is from 2018. rf2 has the renewed flugplatz part.
I'd take iRacing over AMS2 tbh. I uninstalled AMS2, and won't reinstall it. I'd rather also drive the more brutal AC1 version compared to the hollywood-physics in AMS2. Even the replays in AMS2 look Mickey Mouse with the car bouncing around like a Land Rover on hydrolastic suspension...
AMS2 has not returned on my high financial investment sadly. It's too unrealistic to drive in, so having the newest scan version to me is irrelevant. Nord is about the car and track, the experience of lapping in total. From all 5 titles, AMS2 would score last for me due to the physics. Gr8 vid.
Brilliant video, thanks for this
I prefer older pre-PBR update too in rfactor 2. Road colors looked much better and so immersive. Colors are way too light now with saturation slider -20.
Would be interesting to see how iRacing and Raceroom's versions compare as well.
it´s the same like the AC version
Iracing?? It's pretty good
AMSL 2 is bumpy? of course, try a gt3 setup superstiff of SPA on the nurb... i wonder why in other sim std setup is good for everything, Nurb is fot ultrasoft setup.
What is with the iRacing Version? This is the major sim...
AMS2 is the most fun and immersive one for me. plus, it is the only rendition of the nordschleife where i lap under 8:20 in the 911. the only downside is that you can only drive with a maximum of 29 ai
31AI