His comment that 9 strokes, apparently bare, made sitting or lying on his back almost impossible. That's a cruel punishment. I use to hear guys say they were spanked and couldn't sit down, but his experiences was far more than a boyhood spanking we got.
@@davidhuff4562 and Singaporean law allows for up to 24 strokes of cane. But as if it isn't enough, there was a guy who received 48 strokes of cane in a row "by mistake".
@@andang7005 : How could a miscount be a mistake. Sounds like revenge for some reason to double the caning. Bet his bare butt was raw after 48. Have been told 24 is horrific and the offender often passes out even before 24. If 48 didn't kill him, I might suspect he wished he would die trying to endure that caning. A caning was not part of my growing up experience. Was it part of your experience at school or by parents?
Tbh caning a child as a discipline action may make a child more rebellious if you keep on caning them because they are used to the pain already. The pain to them is nothing since they are used to it. I was cane a lot when I was younger like my parents would tie a few canes together and hit me because I didn’t get full marks for my spelling. Did it work? No, did I ever get full marks for my spelling from caning, no, so I got hit for nothing. Also, I actually see nothing good about caning, it makes your kids scared as you and afraid to make mistakes, growing up they might think I must be perfect, I cannot make mistakes. This will make a big impact on their physical and mental health
But in the Philippines 🇵🇭, parents use slipper, hanger, belt, broom sticks or ruler to hit children! Not cane! 😂 Worstly, children were made to kneel on rice, salt, burn woods or hard rocks as punishments in Filipino households, especially in the older generation.
@@alexfreakie6728 taking their phone away and isolating them in an empty room for long period of time is worse psychologically and mentally for sure. Its like the white christmas ep in black mirror where they isolate the cookie (a mini virtual duplicate of human beings).
I believe it depends on the individual. Some children, when received the whip, become better. Some children, when received the whip, become worse and rebellious. Canning is not for everyone unless a crime has been committed by a adult.
I think the problem with canning is children not knowing why or what they are canned for. Singaporeans who use cane often failed to explain to their children what they have done wrong, which leads to more rebellious nature for some. The lack of communication is often the problem that is hard to overcome because of our asian cultures.
Children never become better when caned, the children who you say “become better” are children that will be good temporarily but grow up to have mental problems
it depends on "how", "when" and at "under what circumstances" canning are used. Canning in itself is just a blunt brute action. however, if it is used appropriately and only at the last resort (at home when disciplining children), it serves as a great deterrence, warning and consequence management (lesson) for a child's growing up journey.
@@PatheticTV in my opinion, it depends on the scenario. If you're caning a child for every little mistake(eg. Bad grades, break something, staying out late without informing parents) can(and in some cases, have) result in a more rebellious attitude growing up, and can produce negative results. But there are cases where I see caning as necessary. Such as doing things that REALLY crosses the line(eg. Stealing/shoplifting, underage smoking, drugs/substance abuse, etc.). I am of the belief that "every action has its consequences", and when a child makes a mistake, it is up to us parents to meet out the appropriate punishment. Violent punishments should always be a last resort, a "nuclear deterrent", so to speak. There are other ways to instill discipline without using violent means(eg. Doing push-ups, holding buckets filled with water(appropriate for each age range, of course), holding half-squat position with a bag of rice, etc.) tl;dr: I believe in using the "carrot-stick" method to teach children. Use gifts as an incentive to drive them to do better, and meet out the appropriate punishments when they do something wrong. You don't have to punish them if they fail their exams, but be firm enough to teach them that some things in life must be earned.
yaa. I think physical punishment can be accepted if parents do their due RESPONSIBILITY to assess if the child even deserves physical punishment in the first place and then to communicate that clearly. The problem most people have with physical punishment is because alot of parents inflict physical punishment as a result of feeling angry, and without ever separating their anger from the punishment...
Most Jamaicans I know were physically punished at home and school as kids, some severely..In low crime Finland hitting children is illegal, even light spanking by a parent.....Go to any prison and the vast majority of inmates will have experienced physical punishment as children. There are other reason's why Singapore has a low crime. These are - High income and living standards, high investment in education, large policing budget, stable political system and crucially extended families with close ties.
@@ZacharyAlexanderGoh General criminal offences such as assault, criminal intimidation, mischief, grievous hurt, theft, extortion, sex crimes and cheating r Penal type offences; which of these are humane one???
Crime rates in Singapore are some of the lowest in the world, with petty crimes such as pickpocketing and street theft rarely occurring, and violent crime being extremely rare. Penalties for drug offences such as trafficking in Singapore are severe, and include the death penalty.
It appears you’re making a correlation/causation relationship between harsh crime penalties and crime rates. Evidence and research has not born that out
When an adult is not competent in well communication, poor management of emotion, don't put in enough time in the above with the child... When talking needs skills, time and effort. Not everyone has it or wants to grow in it. One of the fastest way to get things done - fear and pain. Learn the lesson or not? I think most will only remember the pain and experience of caning but not the reason why one got caned. They could have a vague idea from the adult eg- you were naughty, not listening, stubborn and don't follow my rule etc but these, could actually be resolved with communication and understanding the reason behind all these- but again, it takes up time, effort and skills.
The most primeval and organic feeling for a human being is physical feeling. The punish someone physically, with the pretext and undertone that they UNDERSTAND AND KNOW why they are being punished this way and that they should not do the crime again, is an amazing way to deter people from committing crimes and become better individuals. This is why caning is so effective, because it is the most natural way of crime deterrence for human beings, which are also animals. It is much more effective than the over-enthusiastic and naive ways of doing things in the west and also the Scandinavian countries, where the judge shake hands with mass murderers... Caning is actually a very smart way to deter crime, just need to make sure it is done appropriately and not abusively lah.,,
I think caning in prisons are great for deterrence, I know there are people out there who aren’t afraid of doing time but are definitely afraid of pain 😂
I'm sure the pain of the cane would be a deterrence. When I got paddled in HS it did motivate me to never neglect class assignments in the future. Not only the pain to seat of my pants but fact I was a teen bending over to be spanked. Were you subject to CP growing up?
My mom used to cane me and she would pull my hair and slap me and hit my head onto the glass panel in the toilets. This was usually because of me feeling too stressed and playing too much but I did maintain normal scores above 85. She was quite abusive since my younger brother was naughty and she loved to vent out her anger on me. It's a shame some parents still find it so normal to cane and abuse their children. The caning never helped, I just got worse. But she stopped and in fact I improved after she realized there was an unhealthy parent child relationship.
It doesn’t matter even if u came or not since this is based on a person’s willingness to change. Even with the lightest punishment a man can change as Long as he wants to. Although using pain may be effective in instilling fear leading to a person not committing said act but hats because they fear the punishment not because they themselves want to change for the better
exactly. even if it acts as a deterrence, once the fear of punishment is gone (ie that person moves out/grows up) they won't have a reason to not commit that act again
How young is young? I've seen rumbuctious toddlers being threaten with a cane. That's stupid. That's a sign of laziness on the parent's part. Why waste 10,20,30 minutes to talk or cajole or reason with them when you can just whip out a cane? As someone who have been subjected to hours of punishment at one go (caning, belting, chilli in mouth, kneeling...) I can tell you that it does nothing except push me further and further away. Once I'm big enough, strong enough, nothing can get thru to me anymore. So the answer to whether to cane or not, the answer is a big fat NO!
That is abuse.... subjected to hours of punishment. My mom use rattan before but only one or two strike and then we need to reflect on what we did (10 minutes top the whole session, the continuation of the punishment is to force study or read a book). Only one type of punishment, not all at once....
So many ppl here who were caned inappropriately as a child now go to the extremes of "yes i will definitely cane my child because i turned out well" or "no! Because I experienced it and will nv let my child experience it." If caning is really ineffective as a disciplinary measure, you can ask any Singaporean if they would like this punishment taken away from law. Teachers complain that the children these days are very difficult, have no manners and are disrespectful towards authority. Do you know why? Because parents these days are advised not to cane their child at home! However, some children really need to be caned or they will never know how much harm/danger they are putting others and themselves in through their thoughtless behaviour. When the consequence of doing wrong things is just a warning and counselling, and if this has been done countless times with no improvement, something else needs to be done. Caning should only be done after you have helped your child acquire the skills he needs to stop an undesirable behaviour. When you see that he's able to behave himself with some or no reminders, praise him and tell him to keep it up. Then discuss with him the consequences if he chooses to behave otherwise. Caning should be done objectively and without anger. So for example, if the targeted undesirable behaviour is how your child tends to let go of your hand and run off by himself, and he chooses to do that after you have taught him not to and discussed the consequences, then you should go home and calmly carry out the agreed upon consequence. You will find that your child will not resent you that much because he already knew what the consequences were beforehand and he chose to still misbehave anyway. What you will also find is that your child knows he can't mess with you, that you will do what you say. He will also think twice before doing something he knows is not right. So i do hope that parents don't just eliminate caning as a punishment. It is not wrong to cane your child unless you're abusing it.
The Western World would never allow only males to be caned. It would have to be equally applied to males and females in many countries, or it would be found to be an unconstitutional application of the law.
Canning doesn’t solve anything. It just makes the situation worse. Sit down with your kid and have a chat with them, understand where they are coming from. They need a friend and not a parent in these situations. Canning doesn’t make them respect you, it only makes them scared of you which is an incredibly bad thing as you are letting them know that they can’t be open and honest with you. Which motivates bad behaviour.
The alternative is, if you don't cane your children properly. They will grow up into the biggest piece of turds and most likely go to jail or dead. Look at the west. Their free range style discipline caused a generation of unruly kids.
@@samsimmons2831sure, whatever, but parents are not enemies. at the very least they are protectors and the moment they slip into a territory of intentionally causing physical or emotional harm, for whatever reason, they are failing that duty. it really doesn’t help. pain breeds more pain. discipline is important but physical discipline crosses the boundary. it makes the kids body not belong to them anymore, it’s dehumanizing humiliating and just so useless
Sit down with a 2 year old and explain why they shouldn’t throw a fit and see how that works out. Sit down with an 8 year old and explain why they shouldn’t demand whatever they want and see how that works. I’ve seen this approach in action.. it basically boils down to giving in to a child’s demands. As a child, the ONLY thing I feared was a spanking. And I was in all advanced classes, etc, so I wasn’t just a dummy. My parents “explained” a lot of stuff to me. But I was a CHILD. I wanted whatever I wanted and was smart enough to get it by conniving or playing them. Right up until someone mentioned “spanking”… then the games stopped. No way I wanted my parents smacking my little butt! So no, this “reason with your kids” does not work. Kids like me will pretend to listen, nod our heads, hug you.. then go do whatever we want anyway.
First time Darren got 9 strokes, he could not sit down and sleep on his back. The 2nd time he got 8 strokes, he played basketball a few hours after being caned. 2 separate caning penalties of 8 strokes and 5 strokes. Darren was sentenced by court to 10 years jail and 9 strokes of the cane.
I'm sure caning is individualized. Some may tolerate while others find agony. We had guys at school who were un-phased by a butt paddling while others returned to class fighting back tears after 3-5 swats.
Sadistic sexual battery of males. That is all Singapore is about. Perverts love this barbarity. Singapore is the world's Perverts Paradise pretending it's not.
1: much less severe and less intense than judicial caning 2:in the eyes of some parents, it does help. It stops the child from doing whatever it is they did. Parents who do this rarely see that the reason the child has stopped is due to fear, not remorse.
i dont think caning is wrong, and its particularly wrong to say that 'not hitting ur kids' will 'make them turn out better', but like the first lady that answered, for a child, its more important that the kid is able to comprehend why or what he/she has done wrong, and if the punishment fits the 'offense'. In my opinion, its more effective than shouting and screaming at a child
Considering the crime rate (100k per capita) is only 847 for Singapore, and violent crime alone is over an average 1,500 for our top 10 violent cities, I'd note how one is raised has an impact on crime rates. And I'd note that there appears to be a correlation between the threat of the cane and no threat at all.
If caning can transform a gang member/ drug abuser into a valuable and functioning member of society (a lawyer, no less!), then I'd say caning works and we should keep it as a judicial punishment
My folks would beat me for all sorts of reasons regularly thinking that fear would motivate me to improve myself/study harder. I don't even remember what I was beaten for sometimes, all I knew was fear growing up Did I get smarter? No. Did I get funnier? Perhaps, My therapist laughs at my jokes so I got that going for me at least.
This is not like those casual canings and smackings that your parents sometimes gave you for mischiefs. Caning as an official punishment in Singapore is a real torture and causes substantial physical damage. Three strokes of cane would already make blood flow out of your butt, and it is allowed to be caned up to more than 20 strokes.
kids don't need to be spanked tho but prisons would need that. here in the philippines I hear so much stories in the news that some ppl choose to do time in prison by doing the same crime over again after being released
Beating children is barbaric whatever you call it. Adults can understand rules and take responsibility for their actions and caning as a punishment might make sense and even be better than long solitary and way better than informal punishment the guards enforce in more backwards countries. There needs to be a system of rewards and punishment in place for people. Then again, Singapore still has capital punishment so caning doesn't seem such a bat thing for the place.
@@konyvnyelv. This is a horrid question to ask. No child deserves to be physically abused. I acted out and had strops like any other child but instead of talking to me and telling me what I did wrong, my parents opted for fear and corporal punishment. The emotional and psychological damage of such repercussions far outweigh and outlast the physical damages inflicted.
On a judicial level, I think retribution is a huge reason why I would continue to support this form of corporal punishment. To me, I feel like doing time isn’t enough for crimes like rape or murder.
Do you also support extending caning to female offenders for committing the same offences? To me, a default punishment disparity merely due to gender is entirely unjust. It should either be carried out on all or scrapped altogether.
I was caned at school and even if physically the effects are limited I really think it causes a lot of mental trauma for the rest of your life. It can also be misused by teachers. So I definitely do not think it should be used on children, it is abusive. For adult criminals I don't know, but from what I see it seems too severe in Singapore.
on kids no but in the sense of criminals then yes. cause at one point Jamaica had canning and our crime rate was crazy low but now that's gone. we have no less than 1200 deaths per year because of crime.
Absolutely correct and most Singaporeans are proud of their discriminatory barbaric sexual perversion of beating males (children through 50 years old). Perverts and females love this by the way. They also force males (not females) into their military where they are often beaten and brutalized. Oh they don't advertise very much about this and I just don't understand why not.
The US legal system is too soft as crime rates soar here. People take advantage of their freedoms and hurt others. They should get hurt in return. Maybe caning would be a way to teach criminal right from wrong.
Well I'm sure if Michael Fay ever returned to Singapore, he would never repeat his reckless criminal behaviour, that led him to getting six strokes of the cane.
I love the way we frame this. Imagine if they were doing this to only women. A country has harsher more barbaric laws that only affect men but then we frame it as some sort of cultural thing.
I remember in home econ, there is a part where it says we need to slap the butt of a baby or small kids because they don't understand explanation at too young age. So in future the baby will know touch the plug or electric socket = pain. So i believe canning is good if it wasn't over done. Only cane when the criminal commit serious crime. There are people who are not scare of being put in jail (some even sell themselves to pledge guilty for others if the sum is right) but these people are afraid of the canning.
@@RonLarhz That's not an opposite that is still a psychological issue. The caner should have neutral emotion because if he has empathy he can apply less force. That's why a machine should administer the caning so applied force will be the same. Also caning from a skinny guy and muscular guy is not the same.
before caning, inject local anaesthesia and eat pain killers for humane reasons. unless the law states that we should feel pain from caning, it only states that the act of caning must be carried out.
I think Singapore’s caning laws are too broad. I personally have no problems with the idea of judicial corporal punishment for serious criminal offenses like rape or attempted murder. If you rape someone, especially a child, then I will not have any pity on that criminal facing a caning. I think Singapore’s laws are too broad with caning. Singapore canes people for committing non-violent offenses. I personally don’t agree with that idea at all. Caning should be limited to violent criminals and sex offenders.
The ones who go KTV and caused a semi-lockdown on THE WHOLE NATION... I wonder if they got anything... Anyways. Caning kids and caning a criminal seems separate IMO. However if you go through criminal history offenders tend to have a bad upbringing. I do ultimately believe that if you understand the law (or are at least aware in layman terms), yet still break it willingly, then you deserve the consequences.
This video is completely off-point. The right of parents to discipline their children and the right of the state to discipline their citizens with caning are drastically different. No simple parallel can be drawn here. Whoever came up with these topics involving social issues should educate themselves, or at least hire someone who is educated in this area.
How is it different? Caning is corporal punishment, no matter who does it. The government's history and stance on this affects Singaporean's perspective on caning for sure to some extent.
They are the same. Authoritarian parents and states are prescribed in the bible. Authoritarian states always support authoritarian parents and authoritarian parents are almost always in favour of authoritarian states. That a lack of liberty and violence against you is for your own good is the idiotic lie of all tyrants.
@busloxwcko7randy It is correct that females are more afraid of caning than males are. If only males are caned, they will be more afraid of the punishment than female since female will not face caning. If female is caned by female lightly, will both gender face the same punishment?
I've never been caned as a kid? my grandma did take a cane and hit the bed to scare me but she never hit me w it... neither have my parents or anything. I only got hit on my hand by a ruler🙃
Germaine, did your parents ever punch/knock your head? If you never get that kinds of punishment, consider yourself very lucky, even if you get rapped with rulers. There are so many other kids who ever got fisted in heads and punched in face by their parents.
Problem with 3rd world sgreans.... There's a psychological term but i cant rmb it atm. Scary thing is some even in psychology field see nthg wrong with it and telling their patients so. These people obviously have trauma consequences affecting their quality of life. I so pek cek seeing these post and also feeling irritated that people aren't educating themselves enough about psychology before going to see a so called professional. There's this blind trust that irritates me to a certain extent...
Or perhaps they are the best people to form an opinion on it, they were the ones to experience it and the majority still feel like it was necessary, that says something, and I don't believe it can entirely be thrown in with the notion that they have been conditioned, surely if it was an entirely negative event in their lives people would be for the most part against the practice? That doesn't seem to be the case. This is compounded by the fact that most countries have not outlawed the use of "corporal" punishment in terms of parents with their children in certain scenarios, "smacking" for one. The use of implements such as a cane is for the most part banned however.
@@harrier331 Perhaps so. It makes sense at first glance that if they got through being caned without significant trauma and are decent people now, maybe there is merit to it. In fact, studies on corporal punishment have found that it has one positive outcome - compliance. It makes children do what you say in that moment. There are several negative outcomes, however, the biggest being the strain on parent-child relationships. Anyways, I do believe that when such physical discipline is widely practiced in a society, it normalises it and people will feel like it's just a regular part of growing up. It's easier to believe that you deserved that punishment and that your parents meant well. After all, children are dependent on their parents and will find ways to cope with all kinds of parenting imperfections. There's a saying that goes: "A child that is abused by their parents will not stop loving their parents. They will stop loving themselves." At the same time, there may be some resentment towards their parents too, and certain emotional needs may be left unmet. Importantly, now that we have better access to parenting skills and understanding of the needs of children, there are surely more effective ways to set boundaries, and do less harm.
Dun worry, for kids it not about the pain but the shame. One of my classmate got caned but backstage b4 it started, the discipline master gave him newspaper to cushion his butt. And yes its public caning infront of the school
I think its purely barbarism and its a dark mark on Singapores justice system. There is a good reason everyone else has moved beyond this sort of torture
@@konyvnyelv. I should've worded it better. "I hate to say it but most (if not nearly all) of the countries that agree with that statement tend to have comparatively higher crime rates than their equally-developed-but-more-lenient counterparts" There. In other words, it's not applicable to compare 1st world countries to third world countries. It's virtually impossible for them to have equal crime rates, even if they use the same punishment system
American incarceration is cruel and unusual punishment so that for some offenders especially first time male offenders we should reduce the time of incarceration when caning is used as punishment. Some criminals must remain incarcerated for the safety of society but other criminals could benefit from the pain and humiliation of caning to deter recidivism. We should experiment with the caning punishment for male offenders only, even offering caning as an option to longer incarceration. Prisons in the United States are dangerous unsanitary places and daily prison life is enough to drive offenders insane. Most prisoners will be released at the end of their sentences. Recidivism is high among American prisoners, so incarceration is not deterring crime. In most American prisons there are few efforts at rehabilitation. On the other hand, depending upon the crime committed caning could be very effective as the Singapore experience shows at deterring crime and recidivism. Of course in the United States we have financial reasons for expanding the prison population in both the private for profit and publicly funded prisons.
Corporal punishment like any other punishment is simply meeting out the law defined consequences for wrongdoing. There should be absolutely no anger or rage elements involved. It's meant to be therapeutic.
In Filipino culture, parents rather use broom sticks, slippers, hangers, wooden sticks, rulers, or belts! They don't use caning like us Singaporeans! 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Society must have the right to function and be safe! What are the alternatives for crime........expensive prison, fines criminals can't pay, caning, or a revolving door in the court system with no punishment?
Honestly if you’re for caning, you should go and witness how it’s like first. There’s many reasons why it’s been repealed in most countries. (Judicial level) Also if you’re for parental corporal punishment, just do a google search. It’s flat out ineffective, not to mention kind of abusive, it’s state-sanctioned (albeit soft) violence.
Judicial caning is inhumane and is gender-biased. It is just that nobody dare to speak up or are brushed off. Switzerland and other countries have lower crime rate than Singapore but do not practise caning. There are many offenders who go in and out of the prison, being caned again and again, and yet still committing crimes. So caning as a deterrence is a myth.
Caning is necessary as a deterrent for crimes committed. That's very clear, no ambiguity about it. To keep a standard of behaviour and norm in society - you require law for boundaries breached. It's only when people blurred the lines and changes the law in the name of humanity that the law loses its meaning (of what it's supposed to do) and became law based on people's views and their perception of what the law should be. The world then dictates what the law should be which is sad. One must learnt that there are consequences to their actions and taught to take responsibility for their actions/crimes. Caning in family should be discussed separately.
It’s funnny …I don’t believe in violent punishment for non violent crimes. At the same time….is caning that big of a deal that we should have had news on that American that got caned in the 90s?
Perverts of the world love Singapore. It is known throughout the world for it's medieval sexual savagery and barbarity of the buttocks of males written into its laws.
As a parent, disciplining your children from a young age will ensure that they understand that there are consequences to every action. If this concept is not ingraned into children, just imagine when they turn into adults, with no discipline, no boundaries, no respect. I fully support this act of discipline. I am reading a lot of comments about children turning rebellious... without discipline, they will ultimately go down this path too, and the problem is that they will not respond to authority and be worse off.
Honestly in my eyes I don’t really care. It really depends on the person. If you’re a parent or teacher and notice this kind of discipline is affecting the student or child in a bad way, then they should find other methods of discipline. Me personally I grew up on this kind of discipline and I feel like it made me into a stronger more mentally focused individual. It really boils down to the person. But discipline is discipline and I feel like that’s a aspect missing in a LOT of American children who believe they are entitled to the world. They should move to Singapore for a day.
Not need caning can, but us adults must focus on our kids upbringings, teach them manners and ettiquetes and teach them how to be good person and pick good friends, prepare these kids for the harsh world. Us adults should slow down on looking for money. Dont let our children turn rotten because of external influences be it from friends or internet, too many toxic somemore in this era of materialism and hedonism. With proper upbringing, the society will be healthy.
Actress Chantalle Ng was also caned badly by her dad Huang Yiliang, the former actor until she got hospitalised to skipping tuition classes and lying to her tuition teacher, but he said the canes are only used for scare tactics, so good at denying his fault with the law! 😡
I'm Chinese American, and my parents would slap me once in a blue moon when I was in elementary school. After a few years of living in the US they turned away from corporal punishment completely, probably due to the influence of Western values. I wish they caned or slapped me more to be honest. It would have made me a lot more disciplined and a lot more successful as a person. I don't really understand why Western society is so against corporal punishment.
Cane in a blue moon? That is already a red-alert on my side: It indicates possible abuse and your family may have emotional issues at that time (perhaps trying to vent anger?)
I think judicial corporal punishment would be a good de truant to crime for adults, but i think they should use a paddle instead of a Cain so you are not left with peranate damage.
Even paddles can cause permanent wounds. It's an old example, in the Orient, a paddle-type falcon was used to hit people on the butt or waist. However, they were bleed since only 1 or 2 units, usually permanent scars remain.
An American I knew used a belt rather than a cane. A cane should be used for deterrence. It is a different kind of cane that is used for children as they are used in love to discipline n teach children that what you sow you also reap in life, especially after warning has been given. A caning is unforgettable if after the caning there is counselling by the parent or teacher to the child.
I don't cane my kids, because I am being cane many times when I was a child.I feel the pain on my back,and don't want my kids to suffer .When my kids do something wrong,just explain (some time might raise up my voice).Many young guys involved in gang fights, think that using force to make the other party feel pain would solve the problems.This is what parents always did .
If your kid is doing something wrong, pointing a gun in their head won't make them better. Physical punishment has either no, or very negative consequences. Beating kids should be viewed the same way as beating wives.
I don't recall the cane ever being commonly used to punish in the States. Schools seemed to rely on the wood paddle and at home there were spanking paddles and the belt. Were you caned (spanked) growing up?
@@marcoslopez127 : I imagine that was done with a whip or strap, not a cane. Do you think punishment is more effective if given bare back than across the butt? I know what a paddling on butt felt like and it worked effectively for me. Most schools now don't spank, but suspect some parents still do, through that isn't talked about as much now. Growing up if you misbehaved did you dad spank/whip your bottom?
I don’t think that the instrument matters as much as controlling the act while not letting it turn into abuse. I would be hit either with the hand or belt but not across the face. Usually the legs is where we got hit.
@@marcoslopez127 : Correct, implement doesn't matter. Abuse should never be tolerated. A belt spanking obviously is more painful than the hand. The face should be 'off-limits.' Spanking should be confined to the butt region that includes the back of the thigh adjacent to the lower 'sit spot' of the butt where you say you usually got smacked.
by caning ur kids, it doesn't solve the issue. It only starts to add "fear"/"anger" in them lol ONLY by talking it out about the main issue with ur kids, mention the consequences of the issue and explain. in a way to let ur kids have a better perspective about what's wrong with this or that. ^ if u don't have the patience for this, must as well don't give birth to kids in the first place really. so ur kids won't be thinking about why born into this world full of pain.
Caning officers are very fit. How are offenders grouped whenever it’s time for their punishment? For example, is it possible for a 26 yr old caning officer to whip a 45 yr old inmate? That seems strange to me.
The practice of judicial caning of inmates is no longer practiced in India. But corporeal punishment of children is common in India, especially by parents to control unruly ones. Teachers, in earlier times, used to physically punish students for naughty behaviour. But this has almost vanished now. Teachers found physically harming students, like slapping or pinching or shouting abuses at them, have been suspended from their jobs. In some serious cases the teachers loose their jobs. The British system of caning students may have originated from their notorious public schools, whose headmasters were depicted as sadists in numerous novels. Physical punishment in no way helps prevent a child from becoming a criminal later on in life. Singapore has to reform its laws and stop this practice in jails. Psychiatric and psychological counselling of inmates should replace this brutality.
I’m pretty impressed by the fair, objective, and rational views shared by the lawyer with regard to his own experience of being caned
He's been on the other side - truly helps
NO DRUGS!
His comment that 9 strokes, apparently bare, made sitting or lying on his back almost impossible. That's a cruel punishment. I use to hear guys say they were spanked and couldn't sit down, but his experiences was far more than a boyhood spanking we got.
@@davidhuff4562 and Singaporean law allows for up to 24 strokes of cane. But as if it isn't enough, there was a guy who received 48 strokes of cane in a row "by mistake".
@@andang7005 : How could a miscount be a mistake. Sounds like revenge for some reason to double the caning. Bet his bare butt was raw after 48. Have been told 24 is horrific and the offender often passes out even before 24. If 48 didn't kill him, I might suspect he wished he would die trying to endure that caning. A caning was not part of my growing up experience. Was it part of your experience at school or by parents?
Tbh caning a child as a discipline action may make a child more rebellious if you keep on caning them because they are used to the pain already. The pain to them is nothing since they are used to it. I was cane a lot when I was younger like my parents would tie a few canes together and hit me because I didn’t get full marks for my spelling. Did it work? No, did I ever get full marks for my spelling from caning, no, so I got hit for nothing. Also, I actually see nothing good about caning, it makes your kids scared as you and afraid to make mistakes, growing up they might think I must be perfect, I cannot make mistakes. This will make a big impact on their physical and mental health
It also makes them more aggressive and pessimistic.
YOUR PARENTS CANE YOU OVER A LOW SPELLING MARK??
@@exvo- yes, I got 53 for spelling and got canned really badly
@@Wenny_the_WM I hope you're fine from the canning you got, your parents should have think about it before doing that to you.
But in the Philippines 🇵🇭, parents use slipper, hanger, belt, broom sticks or ruler to hit children! Not cane! 😂 Worstly, children were made to kneel on rice, salt, burn woods or hard rocks as punishments in Filipino households, especially in the older generation.
According to some of my ex students from student care, they said they'll rather be caned than have their phone/tablet/Xbox/PlayStation taken away.
until they saw the rack for securing the prisoner and the cane for caning .
@@alexfreakie6728 taking their phone away and isolating them in an empty room for long period of time is worse psychologically and mentally for sure. Its like the white christmas ep in black mirror where they isolate the cookie (a mini virtual duplicate of human beings).
Lol
@@k-potato3593 You get over physical pain. Psychological pain is a lot harder to overcome
or having my achievements and efforts dismissed and unappreciated
I believe it depends on the individual. Some children, when received the whip, become better. Some children, when received the whip, become worse and rebellious. Canning is not for everyone unless a crime has been committed by a adult.
true the same as sitting and down and talking, it doesn't work for every individual.
Philippines don't use caning. The Filipino parents just hit their child with a wooden stick, slipper, hanger, broom, hands or belt sometimes.
@@busloxwcko7randy Same goes in Singapore.
I think the problem with canning is children not knowing why or what they are canned for. Singaporeans who use cane often failed to explain to their children what they have done wrong, which leads to more rebellious nature for some. The lack of communication is often the problem that is hard to overcome because of our asian cultures.
Children never become better when caned, the children who you say “become better” are children that will be good temporarily but grow up to have mental problems
it depends on "how", "when" and at "under what circumstances" canning are used. Canning in itself is just a blunt brute action. however, if it is used appropriately and only at the last resort (at home when disciplining children), it serves as a great deterrence, warning and consequence management (lesson) for a child's growing up journey.
That’s so fucked up. If you whack a child for misbehaving, they still don’t know what they did wrong, so they’ll never understand
@@PatheticTV tell them what they did wrong and smack them la
@@ntwx-oc6hr AHAHAHA
@@PatheticTV in my opinion, it depends on the scenario.
If you're caning a child for every little mistake(eg. Bad grades, break something, staying out late without informing parents) can(and in some cases, have) result in a more rebellious attitude growing up, and can produce negative results.
But there are cases where I see caning as necessary. Such as doing things that REALLY crosses the line(eg. Stealing/shoplifting, underage smoking, drugs/substance abuse, etc.).
I am of the belief that "every action has its consequences", and when a child makes a mistake, it is up to us parents to meet out the appropriate punishment. Violent punishments should always be a last resort, a "nuclear deterrent", so to speak. There are other ways to instill discipline without using violent means(eg. Doing push-ups, holding buckets filled with water(appropriate for each age range, of course), holding half-squat position with a bag of rice, etc.)
tl;dr: I believe in using the "carrot-stick" method to teach children. Use gifts as an incentive to drive them to do better, and meet out the appropriate punishments when they do something wrong. You don't have to punish them if they fail their exams, but be firm enough to teach them that some things in life must be earned.
yaa. I think physical punishment can be accepted if parents do their due RESPONSIBILITY to assess if the child even deserves physical punishment in the first place and then to communicate that clearly. The problem most people have with physical punishment is because alot of parents inflict physical punishment as a result of feeling angry, and without ever separating their anger from the punishment...
I would love for Singaporean laws to come to Jamaica. It might seem harsh but some people don't learn until they get physically reprimanded!
Most Jamaicans I know were physically punished at home and school as kids, some severely..In low crime Finland hitting children is illegal, even light spanking by a parent.....Go to any prison and the vast majority of inmates will have experienced physical punishment as children. There are other reason's why Singapore has a low crime. These are - High income and living standards, high investment in education, large policing budget, stable political system and crucially extended families with close ties.
@@zivkovicablethank you for picking the whitest and most homogenous country in the world for your example
@@zivkovicablealso the video said, using caning against children isn’t smart, only adults can really comprehend rules and consequences
you lot would probably cane someone to death for being gay, nice ‘culture’ bro 👍
could do with this in Australia... not just for kids either
I strongly believe that caning is a deterrence, as a form of Penal punishment; but totally inappropriate for domestic issues and child upbringing.
Yes of course it’s a deterence but it’s not a very humane one though.
@@ZacharyAlexanderGoh
General criminal offences such as assault, criminal intimidation, mischief, grievous hurt, theft, extortion, sex crimes and cheating r Penal type offences; which of these are humane one???
@Ang Xiang
Better to use belt for Domestic instead..
@@Callsign-Blade_RunnerSG
If you do-you will regret it, as it would leave a “damaging” psychological impact on the child upbringing.
@@angxiang3186
No, the belt is used on my wife. To enhance our sex life. 😆
Crime rates in Singapore are some of the lowest in the world, with petty crimes such as pickpocketing and street theft rarely occurring, and violent crime being extremely rare. Penalties for drug offences such as trafficking in Singapore are severe, and include the death penalty.
It appears you’re making a correlation/causation relationship between harsh crime penalties and crime rates.
Evidence and research has not born that out
When an adult is not competent in well communication, poor management of emotion, don't put in enough time in the above with the child... When talking needs skills, time and effort. Not everyone has it or wants to grow in it. One of the fastest way to get things done - fear and pain. Learn the lesson or not? I think most will only remember the pain and experience of caning but not the reason why one got caned. They could have a vague idea from the adult eg- you were naughty, not listening, stubborn and don't follow my rule etc but these, could actually be resolved with communication and understanding the reason behind all these- but again, it takes up time, effort and skills.
The most primeval and organic feeling for a human being is physical feeling. The punish someone physically, with the pretext and undertone that they UNDERSTAND AND KNOW why they are being punished this way and that they should not do the crime again, is an amazing way to deter people from committing crimes and become better individuals. This is why caning is so effective, because it is the most natural way of crime deterrence for human beings, which are also animals. It is much more effective than the over-enthusiastic and naive ways of doing things in the west and also the Scandinavian countries, where the judge shake hands with mass murderers...
Caning is actually a very smart way to deter crime, just need to make sure it is done appropriately and not abusively lah.,,
I think caning in prisons are great for deterrence, I know there are people out there who aren’t afraid of doing time but are definitely afraid of pain 😂
@L XX He who lives by the sword dies by the sword
I'm sure the pain of the cane would be a deterrence. When I got paddled in HS it did motivate me to never neglect class assignments in the future. Not only the pain to seat of my pants but fact I was a teen bending over to be spanked. Were you subject to CP growing up?
@@davidhuff4562 did it hurt on your pants or bare buttom?
Lol...this lawyer was a sociopath who needed that punishment.
If he was a US citizen, he'd probably be dead now.
@@davidhuff4562 sounds like you liked it. That’s something else entirely
My mom used to cane me and she would pull my hair and slap me and hit my head onto the glass panel in the toilets. This was usually because of me feeling too stressed and playing too much but I did maintain normal scores above 85. She was quite abusive since my younger brother was naughty and she loved to vent out her anger on me. It's a shame some parents still find it so normal to cane and abuse their children. The caning never helped, I just got worse. But she stopped and in fact I improved after she realized there was an unhealthy parent child relationship.
I'm so sorry you had to experience that. That's just abusive and your mother should never be forgiven for her actions.
It doesn’t matter even if u came or not since this is based on a person’s willingness to change. Even with the lightest punishment a man can change as Long as he wants to. Although using pain may be effective in instilling fear leading to a person not committing said act but hats because they fear the punishment not because they themselves want to change for the better
exactly. even if it acts as a deterrence, once the fear of punishment is gone (ie that person moves out/grows up) they won't have a reason to not commit that act again
How young is young? I've seen rumbuctious toddlers being threaten with a cane. That's stupid. That's a sign of laziness on the parent's part. Why waste 10,20,30 minutes to talk or cajole or reason with them when you can just whip out a cane? As someone who have been subjected to hours of punishment at one go (caning, belting, chilli in mouth, kneeling...) I can tell you that it does nothing except push me further and further away. Once I'm big enough, strong enough, nothing can get thru to me anymore. So the answer to whether to cane or not, the answer is a big fat NO!
That is abuse.... subjected to hours of punishment. My mom use rattan before but only one or two strike and then we need to reflect on what we did (10 minutes top the whole session, the continuation of the punishment is to force study or read a book). Only one type of punishment, not all at once....
I got an RTX 3080 Ti for good behaviour :)
So many ppl here who were caned inappropriately as a child now go to the extremes of "yes i will definitely cane my child because i turned out well" or "no! Because I experienced it and will nv let my child experience it."
If caning is really ineffective as a disciplinary measure, you can ask any Singaporean if they would like this punishment taken away from law.
Teachers complain that the children these days are very difficult, have no manners and are disrespectful towards authority. Do you know why? Because parents these days are advised not to cane their child at home!
However, some children really need to be caned or they will never know how much harm/danger they are putting others and themselves in through their thoughtless behaviour. When the consequence of doing wrong things is just a warning and counselling, and if this has been done countless times with no improvement, something else needs to be done.
Caning should only be done after you have helped your child acquire the skills he needs to stop an undesirable behaviour. When you see that he's able to behave himself with some or no reminders, praise him and tell him to keep it up. Then discuss with him the consequences if he chooses to behave otherwise.
Caning should be done objectively and without anger. So for example, if the targeted undesirable behaviour is how your child tends to let go of your hand and run off by himself, and he chooses to do that after you have taught him not to and discussed the consequences, then you should go home and calmly carry out the agreed upon consequence. You will find that your child will not resent you that much because he already knew what the consequences were beforehand and he chose to still misbehave anyway. What you will also find is that your child knows he can't mess with you, that you will do what you say. He will also think twice before doing something he knows is not right.
So i do hope that parents don't just eliminate caning as a punishment. It is not wrong to cane your child unless you're abusing it.
The Western World would never allow only males to be caned. It would have to be equally applied to males and females in many countries, or it would be found to be an unconstitutional application of the law.
Caning should stay, but death sentence should be abolished.
Canning doesn’t solve anything.
It just makes the situation worse. Sit down with your kid and have a chat with them, understand where they are coming from. They need a friend and not a parent in these situations. Canning doesn’t make them respect you, it only makes them scared of you which is an incredibly bad thing as you are letting them know that they can’t be open and honest with you.
Which motivates bad behaviour.
it will work as a deterrence if you set the rules and not just using the cane because you're angry.
Parents are not friends
The alternative is, if you don't cane your children properly. They will grow up into the biggest piece of turds and most likely go to jail or dead. Look at the west. Their free range style discipline caused a generation of unruly kids.
@@samsimmons2831sure, whatever, but parents are not enemies. at the very least they are protectors and the moment they slip into a territory of intentionally causing physical or emotional harm, for whatever reason, they are failing that duty. it really doesn’t help. pain breeds more pain. discipline is important but physical discipline crosses the boundary. it makes the kids body not belong to them anymore, it’s dehumanizing humiliating and just so useless
Sit down with a 2 year old and explain why they shouldn’t throw a fit and see how that works out.
Sit down with an 8 year old and explain why they shouldn’t demand whatever they want and see how that works.
I’ve seen this approach in action.. it basically boils down to giving in to a child’s demands. As a child, the ONLY thing I feared was a spanking. And I was in all advanced classes, etc, so I wasn’t just a dummy. My parents “explained” a lot of stuff to me. But I was a CHILD. I wanted whatever I wanted and was smart enough to get it by conniving or playing them. Right up until someone mentioned “spanking”… then the games stopped. No way I wanted my parents smacking my little butt!
So no, this “reason with your kids” does not work. Kids like me will pretend to listen, nod our heads, hug you.. then go do whatever we want anyway.
First time Darren got 9 strokes, he could not sit down and sleep on his back.
The 2nd time he got 8 strokes, he played basketball a few hours after being caned.
2 separate caning penalties of 8 strokes and 5 strokes.
Darren was sentenced by court to 10 years jail and 9 strokes of the cane.
I'm sure caning is individualized. Some may tolerate while others find agony. We had guys at school who were un-phased by a butt paddling while others returned to class fighting back tears after 3-5 swats.
Getting strong
Sadistic sexual battery of males. That is all Singapore is about. Perverts love this barbarity. Singapore is the world's Perverts Paradise pretending it's not.
How can they equate criminal punishment to child "discipline" abuse?!!!!
1: much less severe and less intense than judicial caning
2:in the eyes of some parents, it does help. It stops the child from doing whatever it is they did. Parents who do this rarely see that the reason the child has stopped is due to fear, not remorse.
@@ashlynseah2575 yes. it's a quick fix for the child not to do it again. "at least they're not doing it anymore" mindset
i dont think caning is wrong, and its particularly wrong to say that 'not hitting ur kids' will 'make them turn out better', but like the first lady that answered, for a child, its more important that the kid is able to comprehend why or what he/she has done wrong, and if the punishment fits the 'offense'. In my opinion, its more effective than shouting and screaming at a child
This is a huge need in the US
Considering the crime rate (100k per capita) is only 847 for Singapore, and violent crime alone is over an average 1,500 for our top 10 violent cities, I'd note how one is raised has an impact on crime rates. And I'd note that there appears to be a correlation between the threat of the cane and no threat at all.
If caning can transform a gang member/ drug abuser into a valuable and functioning member of society (a lawyer, no less!), then I'd say caning works and we should keep it as a judicial punishment
My folks would beat me for all sorts of reasons regularly thinking that fear would motivate me to improve myself/study harder. I don't even remember what I was beaten for sometimes, all I knew was fear growing up
Did I get smarter? No.
Did I get funnier? Perhaps, My therapist laughs at my jokes so I got that going for me at least.
Therapist........... is the rapist or Therapist........... . No wonder he laugh.
I got caned by my mother as a child. Trust me, it is not an acceptable disciplinary measure.
This is not like those casual canings and smackings that your parents sometimes gave you for mischiefs. Caning as an official punishment in Singapore is a real torture and causes substantial physical damage. Three strokes of cane would already make blood flow out of your butt, and it is allowed to be caned up to more than 20 strokes.
@@andang7005 : I imagine you are correct.
you probably deserved it, plus it was just your mom not a pro
kids don't need to be spanked tho but prisons would need that. here in the philippines I hear so much stories in the news that some ppl choose to do time in prison by doing the same crime over again after being released
Beating children is barbaric whatever you call it. Adults can understand rules and take responsibility for their actions and caning as a punishment might make sense and even be better than long solitary and way better than informal punishment the guards enforce in more backwards countries. There needs to be a system of rewards and punishment in place for people. Then again, Singapore still has capital punishment so caning doesn't seem such a bat thing for the place.
I've been caned, slapped and belted as a kid. My parents definitely favored the "spare the rod, spoil the child" philosophy.
Was the cane worse than the belt?
@@davidhuff4562 belt is like a flat whip of aoe damage, cane is like a solid whip with aoe + piercing + blunt damage both cause emotional damage
@@konyvnyelv. This is a horrid question to ask. No child deserves to be physically abused. I acted out and had strops like any other child but instead of talking to me and telling me what I did wrong, my parents opted for fear and corporal punishment. The emotional and psychological damage of such repercussions far outweigh and outlast the physical damages inflicted.
Pain and Fear are the most powerful actions that can make anybody change, sure there are a few exceptions.
Punishment should always fit the crime-at home as in judicial caning
Should only be used as the final deterrence. It should be deliberate and not resulting in scars and fractures.
If you bash up your wife or any others you have to be caned to get a ‘taste of it’s own medicine’
This was once the law in Delaware; it was eliminated due to an actual INCREASE in violent crime, including murder.
On a judicial level, I think retribution is a huge reason why I would continue to support this form of corporal punishment. To me, I feel like doing time isn’t enough for crimes like rape or murder.
Do you also support extending caning to female offenders for committing the same offences? To me, a default punishment disparity merely due to gender is entirely unjust. It should either be carried out on all or scrapped altogether.
@@geraldwee2494 I believe in equality. So both male AND female should go through the same punishment.
Even no victims ?
or child abuse
@@1eyeddevil929 ah yes. probably if the the offender is female, all people in the caning room should be female. if male, all male
I was caned at school and even if physically the effects are limited I really think it causes a lot of mental trauma for the rest of your life. It can also be misused by teachers. So I definitely do not think it should be used on children, it is abusive. For adult criminals I don't know, but from what I see it seems too severe in Singapore.
on kids no but in the sense of criminals then yes. cause at one point Jamaica had canning and our crime rate was crazy low but now that's gone. we have no less than 1200 deaths per year because of crime.
I have never been caned when I was young, whenever I get really stubborn i would get grounded for a small amount of time.
So apparently only males can get caned in Singapore and not females. Not only is this sexist but gives girls a free pass to be mean
Girl give babies after you give sperm. So sexist too ? Still backside
Absolutely correct and most Singaporeans are proud of their discriminatory barbaric sexual perversion of beating males (children through 50 years old). Perverts and females love this by the way. They also force males (not females) into their military where they are often beaten and brutalized. Oh they don't advertise very much about this and I just don't understand why not.
The US legal system is too soft as crime rates soar here. People take advantage of their freedoms and hurt others. They should get hurt in return. Maybe caning would be a way to teach criminal right from wrong.
Well I'm sure if Michael Fay ever returned to Singapore, he would never repeat his reckless criminal behaviour, that led him to getting six strokes of the cane.
I love the way we frame this. Imagine if they were doing this to only women. A country has harsher more barbaric laws that only affect men but then we frame it as some sort of cultural thing.
Agreed
Agreed as well
they stone women to death in saudi
I remember in home econ, there is a part where it says we need to slap the butt of a baby or small kids because they don't understand explanation at too young age. So in future the baby will know touch the plug or electric socket = pain.
So i believe canning is good if it wasn't over done. Only cane when the criminal commit serious crime.
There are people who are not scare of being put in jail (some even sell themselves to pledge guilty for others if the sum is right) but these people are afraid of the canning.
I wonder if the caner suffers from any psychological issues from canning people as their job
What if it's the opposite...like they some sort of sociopath/pervert/want to feel powerful.
@@RonLarhz That's not an opposite that is still a psychological issue. The caner should have neutral emotion because if he has empathy he can apply less force. That's why a machine should administer the caning so applied force will be the same. Also caning from a skinny guy and muscular guy is not the same.
They are usually sadists and power drunk abusers!
before caning, inject local anaesthesia and eat pain killers for humane reasons. unless the law states that we should feel pain from caning, it only states that the act of caning must be carried out.
isn't that the point? to feel the pain from caning. If not, might as well don't cane
The point is to feel the pain, the point is to be kinda injured by it lmao
all forms of caning are useless in Singapore (parent, school) except the ones in prison.
yes
I had canning in secondary, it was a fun experience, the pain came 3 seconds after the cane whack your buttock,
fun.. oh lmaooo
I think Singapore’s caning laws are too broad. I personally have no problems with the idea of judicial corporal punishment for serious criminal offenses like rape or attempted murder. If you rape someone, especially a child, then I will not have any pity on that criminal facing a caning. I think Singapore’s laws are too broad with caning. Singapore canes people for committing non-violent offenses. I personally don’t agree with that idea at all. Caning should be limited to violent criminals and sex offenders.
Should be implemented in those dangerous societies
I don't think it's a bad idea in the United States for terrible things
The ones who go KTV and caused a semi-lockdown on THE WHOLE NATION... I wonder if they got anything...
Anyways. Caning kids and caning a criminal seems separate IMO. However if you go through criminal history offenders tend to have a bad upbringing.
I do ultimately believe that if you understand the law (or are at least aware in layman terms), yet still break it willingly, then you deserve the consequences.
Cane. Face up to the consequences of breaking the law.
This video is completely off-point. The right of parents to discipline their children and the right of the state to discipline their citizens with caning are drastically different. No simple parallel can be drawn here. Whoever came up with these topics involving social issues should educate themselves, or at least hire someone who is educated in this area.
How is it different? Caning is corporal punishment, no matter who does it. The government's history and stance on this affects Singaporean's perspective on caning for sure to some extent.
They are the same. Authoritarian parents and states are prescribed in the bible. Authoritarian states always support authoritarian parents and authoritarian parents are almost always in favour of authoritarian states.
That a lack of liberty and violence against you is for your own good is the idiotic lie of all tyrants.
I wonder, how many of you support or do not support corporal punishment?
If you do, leave a like.
If you do not, leave a comment below.
I am curious.
Why are females exempt? Seems kind of unfair for all my Kings out there.
They are more afraid of the pain compared to males.
Women need to bear children.
@busloxwcko7randy It is correct that females are more afraid of caning than males are. If only males are caned, they will be more afraid of the punishment than female since female will not face caning. If female is caned by female lightly, will both gender face the same punishment?
@@jackjackyphantom8854 If female is caned lightly , will female still be able to born a bady?
Do u guys know how painful it is to bare a child? In fact, female can tolerate more pain than male. However male have stronger physique.
in Egypt, my wife was punished in the same way but naked in the police station (not in public) for breastfeeding while she was in the park.
My sympathies to your wife brother I hope she’s better now
Another highlight of Islam.
I've never been caned as a kid? my grandma did take a cane and hit the bed to scare me but she never hit me w it... neither have my parents or anything. I only got hit on my hand by a ruler🙃
Nor I. I grew up in Norway and they don't even sell canes there as far as I know.
Germaine, did your parents ever punch/knock your head? If you never get that kinds of punishment, consider yourself very lucky, even if you get rapped with rulers. There are so many other kids who ever got fisted in heads and punched in face by their parents.
Seems like many people in the comments were caned as kids and have been conditioned to accept it.
Problem with 3rd world sgreans....
There's a psychological term but i cant rmb it atm.
Scary thing is some even in psychology field see nthg wrong with it and telling their patients so. These people obviously have trauma consequences affecting their quality of life. I so pek cek seeing these post and also feeling irritated that people aren't educating themselves enough about psychology before going to see a so called professional. There's this blind trust that irritates me to a certain extent...
Or perhaps they are the best people to form an opinion on it, they were the ones to experience it and the majority still feel like it was necessary, that says something, and I don't believe it can entirely be thrown in with the notion that they have been conditioned, surely if it was an entirely negative event in their lives people would be for the most part against the practice? That doesn't seem to be the case.
This is compounded by the fact that most countries have not outlawed the use of "corporal" punishment in terms of parents with their children in certain scenarios, "smacking" for one. The use of implements such as a cane is for the most part banned however.
@@harrier331 Perhaps so. It makes sense at first glance that if they got through being caned without significant trauma and are decent people now, maybe there is merit to it. In fact, studies on corporal punishment have found that it has one positive outcome - compliance. It makes children do what you say in that moment. There are several negative outcomes, however, the biggest being the strain on parent-child relationships.
Anyways, I do believe that when such physical discipline is widely practiced in a society, it normalises it and people will feel like it's just a regular part of growing up. It's easier to believe that you deserved that punishment and that your parents meant well. After all, children are dependent on their parents and will find ways to cope with all kinds of parenting imperfections. There's a saying that goes: "A child that is abused by their parents will not stop loving their parents. They will stop loving themselves." At the same time, there may be some resentment towards their parents too, and certain emotional needs may be left unmet.
Importantly, now that we have better access to parenting skills and understanding of the needs of children, there are surely more effective ways to set boundaries, and do less harm.
How come this lawyer can get the caning by instalments? I thought there was another lawyer that said that caning would be done one shot.
He subsequently received the caning by different crimes. It will be done by one shot.
@@xuanxuan23 oh I see.
For legal adults, yes. For kids, not so sure.
Dun worry, for kids it not about the pain but the shame. One of my classmate got caned but backstage b4 it started, the discipline master gave him newspaper to cushion his butt. And yes its public caning infront of the school
if canning get abolished in Singapore a lot of prison staff go begging for food on the roads,canning is created job for them
I think its purely barbarism and its a dark mark on Singapores justice system. There is a good reason everyone else has moved beyond this sort of torture
An eye for an eye would leave the whole world blind.
I hate to say it but most (if not nearly all) of the countries that agree with that statement tend to have comparatively higher crime rates
@@HardcoreMasterBaiter err... No. Europe has less crime than most third world but punishment is known to be soft, especially north Europe
@@konyvnyelv. I should've worded it better.
"I hate to say it but most (if not nearly all) of the countries that agree with that statement tend to have comparatively higher crime rates than their equally-developed-but-more-lenient counterparts"
There. In other words, it's not applicable to compare 1st world countries to third world countries. It's virtually impossible for them to have equal crime rates, even if they use the same punishment system
The only caning I approve of is the cutting down of sugar cane because I love sugar on my cereal.
Got the whole squad laughing 😐
American incarceration is cruel and unusual punishment so that for some offenders especially first time male offenders we should reduce the time of incarceration when caning is used as punishment. Some criminals must remain incarcerated for the safety of society but other criminals could benefit from the pain and humiliation of caning to deter recidivism. We should experiment with the caning punishment for male offenders only, even offering caning as an option to longer incarceration. Prisons in the United States are dangerous unsanitary places and daily prison life is enough to drive offenders insane. Most prisoners will be released at the end of their sentences. Recidivism is high among American prisoners, so incarceration is not deterring crime. In most American prisons there are few efforts at rehabilitation. On the other hand, depending upon the crime committed caning could be very effective as the Singapore experience shows at deterring crime and recidivism. Of course in the United States we have financial reasons for expanding the prison population in both the private for profit and publicly funded prisons.
Why only males though
Whoy not girls
Something about female body structure being unable to take it or something.
Might damage the womb for females and they may be unable to give birth after that
@@wsant2872Damage the womb? Our penis sticking out bro.. isnt that worse. Idk. Gender equality
@@osmomosis9216 lol
Corporal punishment like any other punishment is simply meeting out the law defined consequences for wrongdoing. There should be absolutely no anger or rage elements involved. It's meant to be therapeutic.
Yes very sexually stimulating and "therapeutic." Perverts absolutely find it Very self gratifying. Wouldn't you agree?
Not to cane in family or school but MUST cane in law, prsion and military
In Filipino culture, parents rather use broom sticks, slippers, hangers, wooden sticks, rulers, or belts! They don't use caning like us Singaporeans! 😂😂😂😂😂😂
HAHAHAHA kung anong madampot
Leaving permanent whip scars on a guy's rear end isn't going to get him the ladies. Ouch and ouch!
Bring the Singaporean laws into New York City, that way it will lower the theft rate.
I think It should be applied to Indian politician both male and female, in public.... This will deter them from doing corruption.
Society must have the right to function and be safe! What are the alternatives for crime........expensive prison, fines criminals can't pay, caning, or a revolving door in the court system with no punishment?
Honestly if you’re for caning, you should go and witness how it’s like first. There’s many reasons why it’s been repealed in most countries. (Judicial level)
Also if you’re for parental corporal punishment, just do a google search. It’s flat out ineffective, not to mention kind of abusive, it’s state-sanctioned (albeit soft) violence.
In Western countries, parents don't cane their child. Unlike Asian countries tho.
This is just judicial assault which is ethically wrong as a means of punishment and completely uncivilised.
Judicial caning is inhumane and is gender-biased. It is just that nobody dare to speak up or are brushed off. Switzerland and other countries have lower crime rate than Singapore but do not practise caning. There are many offenders who go in and out of the prison, being caned again and again, and yet still committing crimes. So caning as a deterrence is a myth.
Caning is necessary as a deterrent for crimes committed. That's very clear, no ambiguity about it.
To keep a standard of behaviour and norm in society - you require law for boundaries breached.
It's only when people blurred the lines and changes the law in the name of humanity that the law loses its meaning (of what it's supposed to do) and became law based on people's views and their perception of what the law should be. The world then dictates what the law should be which is sad.
One must learnt that there are consequences to their actions and taught to take responsibility for their actions/crimes.
Caning in family should be discussed separately.
Women and girls should also be caned equally!
9 strokes
Then 8 strokes and 5 strokes
You don't think he could possibly enjoy this upon his buttocks do you?? Surely not. Maybe?? No.
Corporal Punishment of any sort is illegal in Norway. People who say it's necessary are objectively wrong.
getting canned and found out that ur not wrong . Who who tf fault is that and what can be done ? Make a lawsuit ?
It’s funnny …I don’t believe in violent punishment for non violent crimes. At the same time….is caning that big of a deal that we should have had news on that American that got caned in the 90s?
Perverts of the world love Singapore. It is known throughout the world for it's medieval sexual savagery and barbarity of the buttocks of males written into its laws.
As a parent, disciplining your children from a young age will ensure that they understand that there are consequences to every action. If this concept is not ingraned into children, just imagine when they turn into adults, with no discipline, no boundaries, no respect. I fully support this act of discipline. I am reading a lot of comments about children turning rebellious... without discipline, they will ultimately go down this path too, and the problem is that they will not respond to authority and be worse off.
Honestly in my eyes I don’t really care. It really depends on the person. If you’re a parent or teacher and notice this kind of discipline is affecting the student or child in a bad way, then they should find other methods of discipline. Me personally I grew up on this kind of discipline and I feel like it made me into a stronger more mentally focused individual. It really boils down to the person. But discipline is discipline and I feel like that’s a aspect missing in a LOT of American children who believe they are entitled to the world. They should move to Singapore for a day.
Mine is Sergeant punishment nor Corporal.
Not need caning can, but us adults must focus on our kids upbringings, teach them manners and ettiquetes and teach them how to be good person and pick good friends, prepare these kids for the harsh world. Us adults should slow down on looking for money. Dont let our children turn rotten because of external influences be it from friends or internet, too many toxic somemore in this era of materialism and hedonism. With proper upbringing, the society will be healthy.
My dad cane my brothers till theres marks it feels abusive but he has been told many times to brush his teeth not to skip sch...but he doesnt listen
Actress Chantalle Ng was also caned badly by her dad Huang Yiliang, the former actor until she got hospitalised to skipping tuition classes and lying to her tuition teacher, but he said the canes are only used for scare tactics, so good at denying his fault with the law! 😡
Does your father also beat adults or only defenseless people way smaller than him?
How many people were asked the question in total?
Was with him inside..yup he is telling the truth. Nice chap too..1997
Did u suffer from caning too?
I'm Chinese American, and my parents would slap me once in a blue moon when I was in elementary school. After a few years of living in the US they turned away from corporal punishment completely, probably due to the influence of Western values. I wish they caned or slapped me more to be honest. It would have made me a lot more disciplined and a lot more successful as a person. I don't really understand why Western society is so against corporal punishment.
Cane in a blue moon?
That is already a red-alert on my side: It indicates possible abuse and your family may have emotional issues at that time (perhaps trying to vent anger?)
I think judicial corporal punishment would be a good de truant to crime for adults, but i think they should use a paddle instead of a Cain so you are not left with peranate damage.
Even paddles can cause permanent wounds.
It's an old example, in the Orient, a paddle-type falcon was used to hit people on the butt or waist. However, they were bleed since only 1 or 2 units, usually permanent scars remain.
I don't support using violence as punishment. Especially with the government doing it.
An American I knew used a belt rather than a cane. A cane should be used for deterrence. It is a different kind of cane that is used for children as they are used in love to discipline n teach children that what you sow you also reap in life, especially after warning has been given. A caning is unforgettable if after the caning there is counselling by the parent or teacher to the child.
They also use paddle in the US.
I'd love to "love" you in the same way.
Minimum wage! SNAP! Thank you, sir. May I have another?
Respect to the parents who never cane their kids.....
I don't cane my kids, because I am being cane many times when I was a child.I feel the pain on my back,and don't want my kids to suffer .When my kids do something wrong,just explain (some time might raise up my voice).Many young guys involved in gang fights, think that using force to make the other party feel pain would solve the problems.This is what parents always did .
@@davidchai168 ya lol, even western people never ever believe in caning/hitting their child, just like in Sweden 🇸🇪.
Gender equality, caning should be applied to women as well
Men who break the law hmm what about a female drug trafficker
If your kid is doing something wrong, pointing a gun in their head won't make them better.
Physical punishment has either no, or very negative consequences. Beating kids should be viewed the same way as beating wives.
We should bring caning back to the States
I don't recall the cane ever being commonly used to punish in the States. Schools seemed to rely on the wood paddle and at home there were spanking paddles and the belt. Were you caned (spanked) growing up?
Flagellation was used in the United States against soldiers and slaves. I want it to come back against the larger civilian population.
@@marcoslopez127 : I imagine that was done with a whip or strap, not a cane. Do you think punishment is more effective if given bare back than across the butt? I know what a paddling on butt felt like and it worked effectively for me. Most schools now don't spank, but suspect some parents still do, through that isn't talked about as much now. Growing up if you misbehaved did you dad spank/whip your bottom?
I don’t think that the instrument matters as much as controlling the act while not letting it turn into abuse. I would be hit either with the hand or belt but not across the face. Usually the legs is where we got hit.
@@marcoslopez127 : Correct, implement doesn't matter. Abuse should never be tolerated. A belt spanking obviously is more painful than the hand. The face should be 'off-limits.' Spanking should be confined to the butt region that includes the back of the thigh adjacent to the lower 'sit spot' of the butt where you say you usually got smacked.
The best thing is Singapore Follow proper penal code adopted from Indian penal code whereas in India you can escape the law easily
Yeah, and now you see why theres alot of bratty kids compared to the previous generations.
by caning ur kids, it doesn't solve the issue.
It only starts to add "fear"/"anger" in them lol
ONLY by talking it out about the main issue with ur kids, mention the consequences of the issue and explain. in a way to let ur kids have a better perspective about what's wrong with this or that.
^ if u don't have the patience for this, must as well don't give birth to kids in the first place really.
so ur kids won't be thinking about why born into this world full of pain.
Caning officers are very fit. How are offenders grouped whenever it’s time for their punishment? For example, is it possible for a 26 yr old caning officer to whip a 45 yr old inmate? That seems strange to me.
The practice of judicial caning of inmates is no longer practiced in India. But corporeal punishment of children is common in India, especially by parents to control unruly ones. Teachers, in earlier times, used to physically punish students for naughty behaviour. But this has almost vanished now. Teachers found physically harming students, like slapping or pinching or shouting abuses at them, have been suspended from their jobs. In some serious cases the teachers loose their jobs. The British system of caning students may have originated from their notorious public schools, whose headmasters were depicted as sadists in numerous novels. Physical punishment in no way helps prevent a child from becoming a criminal later on in life. Singapore has to reform its laws and stop this practice in jails. Psychiatric and psychological counselling of inmates should replace this brutality.