An Evangelical and an Atheist Discuss Media, Culture, and Religion (with Adam Davidson)
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- Опубліковано 15 вер 2024
- Can a Christian professor and an "atheist New York media elite" have a constructive conversation? Can they find common ground? Sean talks with Adam Davidson, an American journalist who has written for the New York Times, New Yorker, MSNBC, Slate Magazine and more. They discuss culture, religion, and the media.
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Wow.....this guy sounds like me a while ago. Looking for "christians" and being let down. I was led to the bible to get to know HIM. Not in other people.....I had to actually start reading the bible. Now it is so different. Not easier but like my eyes are opened up and that has become the most important thing for me. God bless this man.......I do understand and pray for God to reveal Himself in a magnificent way very soon.
As Davidson stated, he has read the Bible extensively. He simply doesn’t buy the story. A lot people don’t.
he is seeking and we stand together that he will find Jesus. And he will be so inlove with Jesus in Jesus Name
why?
It's a spiritual issue, we can ONLY understand and be convicted through the Holy Spirit. If we approach it through our imperfect minds, nothing makes sense.
Wow! he “hated” Evangelical Christians as a group, so he spent years seeking to understand them!? Imagine if we all did this? The world would look VERY different. kudos Adam. And kudos Sean, as you seem to be trying to model this behavior as well.
Be known for what you are for
Not for what you are against!
Loved this interview! wresting thru why we can still love our neighbor/ friend/stranger and not agree on everything single thing. Beautiful
Amen!
What an interesting conversation. I appreciated hearing how Adam's worldview and Sean's worldview are so different, but they could discuss it so kindly and respectfully. I hope you will have more conversations ahead. Adam is a very thoughtful man and I was struck by how hard it would be to convert to Christianity if everyone you knew and loved was atheist too. This made me want to show kindness, love & interest in all sorts of people, as Sean is doing in his videos. Loving people and living a life that has been changed by Jesus for the better is probably far more attractive to atheists than endless arguments!
This was massively cool. Big shout-out to both of you. Adam, thanks for your willingness to be open and honest about where you're coming from, and Sean, thanks for your compassion and thoughtful approach to Christianity.
As a Christian, I think we have some of the same false assumptions about the other side of the aisle as Adam admitted that his side of the aisle has about us, and I think conversations like these help challenge those false assumptions.
Thanks Cainon!
@@SeanMcDowell Yes Thank you! And I certainly agree. IT would be fun to do the other side... talking about MY world through the eyes of evangelicals.
@@AdamDavidsonAD thank you so much for participating this was great! I hope there is more of this to come. I wish you nothing but the best!
@@SeanMcDowell you are the real deal sir! God bless!
@@AdamDavidsonAD Thank you so much to being open to dialog! You brought up some points I'd never considered. Tribalism has gotten so bad now and it is saddening that there aren't more open minded people such as yourself who are willing to try to listen much less understand. It's one of the reasons I love Sean's channel.
Loved this interview! Love how thoughtful Adam is and thinking through, the way he speaks of treats people. I’m so glad he reached out and asked to chat with you. More of these conversations need to happen and continuously happen. These are the examples we need to have of discourse, thoughtfulness and care for each other.
Sean, You do THE BEST JOB of Engaging everyone fairly and "With Charity" as I've seen anywhere!
THANK YOU SO MUCH, for posting this Conversation. I'm INSPIRED every time I watch YOU!
Thanks Joel. Adam is a great guest. Please consider sharing with others!
@@SeanMcDowell Wow, I am pleasantly Surprised and Grateful for your reply Dr. Sean! ("HERO Struck") 😋😁 Yes I will share it under the heading, " This is How We SHOULD Interact, with Grace and Genuine Christlike Love, ("Charity")
This was an incredible conversation. Thank you both! Adam, just sent you a DM on Twitter. As an evangelical Christian who loves Jesus and always looking for ways to share his love with others, it is very helpful to gain your perspective. I think very often many Christians are so eager to jump right into evidence for Jesus and his resurrection, without knowing if the person has a seeking heart. God has really been laying on my heart lately that what people need more than anything is to see us living out our love for Him and Faith while truly loving our neighbors as ourselves… Know that many who watch this channel are praying for you and your family. Can’t wait to see the sequel to this interview. I greatly appreciate the work that both of you are doing.
Thanks for watching and sharing, Heidi!
This was a great interview! Adam was very open about things and seems like a genuinely nice guy to know. He is very respectful and unlike some atheists he just politely disagrees. I feel we need more kindness towards people with other religions and beliefs. The best way to minister to someone isn’t gonna be by winning an argument, but by being as kind and loving as possible. Anyways more of these interviews would be greatly appreciated! Very fun to watch!
This was awesome and love to see him come back again for another conversation.
I just kinda wish it was little more heavy on the world were living in today and see what his perspective were on it.
How refreshing it is to hear two people who fundamentally disagree with grace and respect
This was wonderful! I pray you two continue to discuss things for years to come because I feel like it will truly make a huge difference in our world.
What a great interview, Adam is such a bright example of having a difference in his view but having a humanistic openness to hold a caring conversation. This is how as Christians we should interact with others who view things differently leaving a impression of faith in the hearts. What a good example of respect. Great Interview Sean.
❤ Not all of us evangelicals were always evangelicals and have plenty of lived experience not being evangelicals as well !
Props to Adam and the insightful dialogue between you guys
thank you.
Wow. Thank you both so much for being willing to have this conversation and share it with us.
You are a truly gracious interviewer Sean. You gave Adam loads of time to express his views.
My good friend is a secular Jew who has a vague sense of a God of her own understanding but that's all. We disagree about ... Well... Almost everything. And yet we're friends. I long for more of these types of conversations with her and I thank you both for modeling what that looks like. I look forward to episode 2!
Thank you for the post. I appreciate this man's honesty. Most people that I've come across that claim to be atheists seem to have an axe to grind, shroud their positions in confusing rhetoric, and stand on strawman arguments and mockery. The more my faith grows, the more I look at people that claim to be atheists as fools. I hope to find a more gracious term, God willing, but my point is, how can a finite being make such a matter of fact claim? From my position, it seems like laziness. Study the world's religions, read the Bible, study all positions from theists and atheists and after 20 years or so of legit study and maybe I'll be willing to hear you out.
This was so well done - bravo to David and Sean for a respectful intelligent discussion of atheism and evangelical Christianity. The biggest take away for me was the limited exposure we each often have to the “other”. I live in the Bible Belt, so I have extensive expose to evangelical Christianity, but its presence is much quieter in my professional life.
I was raised Episcopalian and have gone to church at various points in my life; however, after the last six years, I am completely alienated from the church.
Dr McDowell , you never explained that the reason Christians think about non-christians so much is because we are commanded to share Christ.
Hi! I'm not familiar with Episcopalian? Do they teach the true gospel? Thanks 😊
@@christinamurrey2220THIS
was what came to my mind. One we receive God's spirit, you should have a deep concern for other's souls. And He tells us to go out into the world and give the true gospel, not go around having endless question and answer time first( because they are never going to understand what God is or wrote, until the indwelling happems.
This was a great interview! I am thankful Adam reached out to you. You should have him on again sometime.
For sure!
Looking forward to this Sean. 🙏☺️✌️
Let us know what you think!
Thank you gentlemen for showing that two people with such differing views can have a civil, kind conversation and genuinely (seeming) like each other. I wish more people could disagree like this. And the fact that you both spend time actually studying the other side. I wish there were more people like both of you in the world.
I am a Christian and I cannot get enough of these! Please keep making more.
There’s an atheist Doug “Pinecreek” Christian for 30 years who is married with two children. His children and wife are still Christian and they haven’t come against him for his change. It’s respecting each other’s journey whether they agree or not.
Firstly, Adam is a super likable guy and I enjoyed this conversation.
Secondly this made me think to suggest an interview with Kathryn Shulz who might have had some overlap with Adam at the Newyorker. Shulz's analysis of human propensity for "wrongness" is the most influential concept in adjusting the course of how I treat people outside of Christian sources. Her book Being Wrong is about 10 years old now but she has a new memoir that deals really thoughtfully with the concept of death (or more precisely, "loss") from an atheist perspective among other subjects that would fit well here to discuss. I'd love to see it if you could get ahold of her.
The Bible says God prefers for people to be in LGBT relationships.
Anyone that teaches the LIE of monetary tithing, sells anything using the gospel, or teaches that same-sex marriage is a sin CHOOSES to die with the wicked.
Luke 10:7 states the only wages for ministering are eating and drinking whatever you are given.
Also, know that rich people will all die. You can't be a Christian, sit on all kinds of money, watch your fellow brothers and sisters starve, suffer, or be homeless, choose to do nothing about it, and think that it's ok. Those are all wolves.
Mathew 19:12 Eunuchs that are born that way are transgender. Eunuchs made that way by others were abused in some way and something inside of them blocks off a certain type of body but it doesn't happen to everyone that is abused. Those that choose to live like Eunuchs FOR THE SAKE OF THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN are bisexual people that choose partners of the same sex-characteristics but opposite in regards to gender. Notice, it states God PREFERS for people to be in LGBT relationships. Leviticus, Corinthians, and Timothy were translated wrong by Billy Graham. Those verses are actually referring to pedophilia. Romans 1:27 All of the men were male in regards to gender, all of the women were female in gender. It is not referring to Eunuchs (where one partner is transgender). Also, it had nothing to do with marriage of any kind. They were trying to procreate during orgies so God did it on purpose. Anyone that continues to teach same sex marriage is a sin when the Bible says God prefers for people to be in LGBT relationships will also die by their own choice.
In order to be a church building, the place must house people inside of it. Otherwise it is just another private money-making business part of Babylon that furthers satan's agenda. Stay out of the fake churches.
I am Elijah of Malachi 4:5-6 and Acts 3:22-23 says it will come to pass that anyone that fails to listen to me will be UTTERLY destroyed from among the people. Again, everyone has a choice.
And anyone that deletes my messages CHOOSES to reject Jesus Christ Himself and that means they also CHOOSE to die with the wicked.
I am Elijah so that means any discrepancies in the holy books are ultimately decided by me. I am also to usher in the Messiah! Be ready: Jesus is coming back!
WORLD PEACE IS COMING!!
By the way, anything based on gender norms no longer applies. In fact, the last will be first and the first will be last. It's women that will be ruling the kingdom of heaven........
And rapture is not what most people think. Its when God's true people shine with the glory of God and are miraculously healed. Read Malchi 4:2-4 and the verses surrounding it...........
Donald Trump is of the antichrist spirit and he will die with the wicked if he chooses not to repent.
Malachi 2 proves Malachi 3:8-11 is talking to the thieving church leaders. Every single fake preachet knrw if they brpught the money back they were never supposed to take for ministering then God would end Covid but they love money so much they intentionally chose to kill everyone instead of repenting!!!!!!
I'm happy to make an intro to Kathryn @sean!
Thanks, I’ll check out her book!
@@AdamDavidsonAD Thanks, Adam. I will check out her book!
@@SeanMcDowell it's hard to imagine someone not celebrating lgbtq people. You must have a stone somewhere with something written on it.
Although his and his circle's exposure to Christianity has been so limited, I would be curious about his view toward more historical Christianity, the impact of Christian views on the West, the fact that so many great thinkers and artists in our history have been Christians, the fact that Christianity has led to so many great institutions in our culture like academia (well, used to be great)...? In other words, curious about the philosophical or spiritual thinking that led to these cultural/societal elements.
I have thought about this. The short answer is that there seem to be faiths that dominant in any large cultural space. So, the Mesopotamian region had a fairly stable system of belief for thousands of years. China and other parts of Asia have had that, too.
In my mind, largely for political reasons, Christianity dominated Europe. It would have been *some* faith system and it happened to be Christianity.
So, it's more happenstance than some special quality of Christianity. After all, the Dark Ages were Christian, too. The Crusades were Christian.
@@AdamDavidsonAD Point taken. It's easy to create a positive narrative for any belief system. I once watched some videos by a flat-earther, cutting and pasting historical and scientific tidbits and making a very compelling case!
I think (and hope) my Christian faith is built both on the rational evidence behind the Gospel as well as how it seems to resonate with my experience today. So, if I saw *only* the benefits of Christian belief: one example would be the Western idea, built on being created in God's image, of the sovereign individual with rights of free speech, and that from that point of value and significance we can dialogue and seek truth together (like this dialogue!) and that we should care about even the poor and the handicapped and all the "others" around us... an idea that is very much NOT the default when you look through history and even contemporary regimes that view man as mere meat or material or race...
If I saw this "light" in the darkness that resonated with my idea of morality, human nature, etc., but the belief was NOT founded on an incredibly robust case for a resurrection, and a rigorously scholarly formation and preservation of the canon of scripture, I would appreciate it but I wouldn't be a Christian. On the other hand, if there seemed to be good evidence for Christ and his death and resurrection, but they hadn't led to anything positive in the world, I don't know what that belief would look like either?
Which gets to your point: I think the darker actions of those claiming to be Christians can be written up to a twisting of the ideas to suit man's ends. Even Hitler used the Bible to win people over to his cause! If I only saw the Bible applied to oppress people, I wouldn't follow it. I would say 3 things in response to that conjecture: that the positive outweighs the good, that you can see Christianity "evolving" people and societies over the centuries, and that where you see evil being done, it's clearly not following the teachings of Christ or the New Testament.
Christ taught the idea of his word being "put in your hearts," the idea of an inner connection with God and an individual agency for understanding right and wrong. If just this one idea is applied, it is very hard to ultimately justify oppressing people, taking away their rights and voices. Dostoevsky wrote about how the ideas of Christ undermined the control and oppression of the State Church in those dark times...
Anyway, this has gotten way too long. I admire your desire to dialogue with many vastly differing perspectives! I loved your point about realizing how each person's context leads to a justification of things you or I might find outrageous. It doesn't mean we can't all seek the best way/the truth together, but it's a great way of being understanding of our fellow man.
I also wanna say that the reason I feel like this is so great is because it has been my experience that many of the other Christians I know here in Georgia just accept things without questioning them and I cannot understand it to save my life, so this is a breath of fresh air to me to see this kind of dialogue for sure. Thanks to both of you for making this happen despite your differences
It's remarkably refreshing to see two people from such different "camps" be so gracious, respectful, with a genuine desire to understand each other. Inspires me and gives me hope in such a polarized world. Sean, you are a wonderful interviewer--asking thoughtful questions, listening attentively, seeking to understand. Adam, I have no doubt you'd do the same if you were the one "asking the questions". And I don't know if I've ever encountered someone who has gone to such lengths to understand people so different from themself--incredibly admirable. Thank you for the quality content. I'd love to see some follow-ups discussing some of the "rabbit trail" issues that came up throughout, as well as pursuing the ideas Adam brought up at the end. And of course now Adam has to interview Sean as well! God's richest blessings to you both!
Thanks. That’s the plan for our next discussion. So stay tuned!
It really does seem that an atheist would experience things coming out as a Christian similar to what a Christian may experience coming out as gay. I love this talk. Thank you both for putting yourselves out there to have this open conversation. We need to find more we agree on to start bridging the gap and having a world we can live in together with love and not hate.
Great conversation...and hey Adam! Some points that stood out to me: when you expresses his own tendency to be angrier with those more similar to yourself than those who are extremely different (the media point, and a smaller one, but it really jumped out because I'm struggling with the same issue).
Then? The hypothetical question of what would happen if Adam became a practicing Christian within family/personal friendships; what I found so interesting is that it mirrored the reactions LGBTQ+ people have to confront when they "come out" to their families, neighbors, communities.
The first thing I got out of this whole " meeting" was, learn to be a good listener!! Thankyou Sean for your wonderful example. I'm gonna start practicing!!
Awesome conversation. Thoroughly appreciated Adam's voice and perspective and really just his eagerness to understand and create bridges in the divisive culture we live in.
Super enjoyed this type of communication between two opposite sides. Hope to hear more in the future.
In case you missed it, we just had another convo earlier this week!
This is unbelievably eye opening. We all know that you typically aren't going to find very many Christians hanging out in the circles that Adam Davidson hangs out in but the fact that he is essentially saying there were 0 is sad. The only "missionaries" in those parts of the US are just pastors that plant churches but never engage in the community they live in outside of "outreaches", etc. We need to see more missionaries that are seeking to love those parts of the world by genuinely engaging in those communities without feeling like they can't do that out of fear that they'll be misrepresented or will become like their surroundings.
It was really helpful to hear Mr. Davidson’s point of view- thanks for taking the time to do this y’all!😄
Love you both if everyone actually tried to understand each other this world would be a much better place ❤️
I love every aspect of this conversation, so much so, that I struggle to select one or two points for comment. Adam, I relate in so many ways to your faith questions. My own faith journey, moves down a different path from yours, and I would love it if you were a neighbor to explore answers together. Sean, you are a master of listening and are able to ask the best questions, allowing people to best explore and express their ideas.
The main suggestion for Adam and his search - if there is a Supreme Deity - if there is an afterlife - trying to find Him/it through logic and reason is only one approach. It works for some. But consider the possibility of encountering Him. Your discussion of the mind, consciousness and the brain relates to this in some way. Thanks for your sincere and generous sharing of such personal thoughts and experiences.
Thanks for the lovely words. I have put myself in positions where other people report confronting god--church and synagogue and, even, Mosque services. Even pentacostal experiences. Nothing has seemed compelling... so far.
@@AdamDavidsonAD I would not describe my own experience as "confronting god." I know you aren't suggesting a "confrontation." And my experience was not the result of an intentional search. Too bad we aren't neighbors who could meet for coffee! :)
@@AdamDavidsonAD This morning, I thought of two things you might enjoy based on your own explorations of faith/spirituality. UA-cam will have a 2005, 3-Part, series, "The Monastery" and its follow-up program, "The Monastery Revisited." It involved 5 very modern men living the monastic life for forty days and forty nights while TV cameras tracked their progress. The second suggestion is a follow-up book written by the Abbot of Worth Monastery, where the 5 men stayed. The book is most meaningful after having watched the series. It addresses the spiritual life from all points of view, especially from that of seekers trying to make sense of different religions and expressions of spirituality. If you get a chance to do this, I'd love to hear your thoughts about the show and/or book. I pray for you, for your insights that bring peace on your spiritual path.
I thought this was a good conversation. As a Christian living in one of the top ranking Progressive "unChurched" States in the country, Christians ARE looked down upon and treated with the discrimination they are so often accused of. It is very hard to not become hurt and angry about this and in the process, jaded. I fight it constantly and have to try to stay away from watching too much political media. I hope our culture will change back to a more tolerant one, but I'm afraid it will never happen again and it saddens me terribly.
Great conversation! My only concern is that apologetics and sound reasoning are helpful, but most of us don’t come to faith and remain in the faith simply through reasoning. Rather it’s the supernatural work of the Holy Spirit giving us a new heart and a renewed mind. A curious atheist may struggle with this, because it’s supernatural and subjective, but you will never fully grasp Christianity if you don’t understand the role of the Spirit.
that’s an interesting and sincere concern. I think most apologists would agree with you-it’s not about converting unbelievers, it’s about defending one’s own faith.
M B THIS...is what is missing.. It is good to have love and compassion, but the true gospel of Christ is what needs to be shared first and foremost.
J esus said he came to bring division... what he said was truth, and many did not like it and did not want to hear it. Why? Because they didn't want to surrender their lives over to C hrist and wanted to keep living how they want to.
There were disciples who walked away from him, and he turned to the others and ask, " do you want to leave too? And Peter said, to whom would we go? You have the truth and the life.
Many in the "christian" arena(and alot with big followings), have sold out to ecumenism. This is the trend where things are going. In an effort to be love and nice, they are overcorrecting , and watering down the WHOLE truth.
Sean, the way you listen inspires me to be a better listener.
Mr. Davidson is as careful finding words and concerned not insult or belittle Sean and his world view. He sounds that believes that we are all made in God's image. Applaud!
He was a great guest. We’re gonna do it again!
Adam is a wonderfully enlightened individual. We should all aspire to be like Adam.
Well, I was on best behavior! My wife and son would definitely laugh at this comment.
I love seeing how you interview people from other walks of life, and especially those who were raised in a different culture. I grew up in the Amish church, which is incredibly interesting.
Have you ever interviewed a former Amish person? I would love to watch that.
I haven’t but would certainly consider it. Thanks for the idea!
@@SeanMcDowell I know several and would be happy to make an intro. @Ray, I'd be curious where you are from?
@@AdamDavidsonAD I am from Gap.
@@SeanMcDowell I know many former Amish, and also would be happy to make an introduction.
As a side note, my band and I were asked to play music at a small event where your father is slated to be the speaker. I am super excited about it, as it was largely due to his material that I became interested in apologetics and theology, even while I was still Amish. Through him, I found you, and have watched almost every one of your videos since.
@@raybeiler4105 I also know Sam Stoltzfus who used to have Spring Garden Supply. HIs dad was Jonas.
So glad to see an actual dialogue of intellectually honest people! I'd love to read some of Adam's journalism.
Thoroughly enjoyed this. Thank you! I find it interesting that he makes a point of saying that he and his fellow atheists? media colleagues? family? (“we”) don’t think about evangelical Christians as often as we may think that they do. I have never perceived that atheists or media think about evangelical Christians as they go about their lives. I do, however, observe that most of my atheist friends do go about their lives advocating for the implementation of policies (such as gay marriage, which Adam clarifies he supports a number of times in this interview) that are counter to a traditional Judeo-Christian (and might I say, Muslim) morality. I would say that it is in this that I perceive that Adam (and his “we”) actively attempt to destroy a Biblical worldview, whether he is consciously thinking of evangelical Christians while he is doing it, or not.
What a cool guy. Good conversation.
Hey Sean! Excited to see how this will play out! Also one quick question. Will you ever interview a Muslim on the channel? I want to see how it would play out. Also I recently acquired the Apologetics study Bible and enjoying it a lot! Love reading it!
Great question. I am totally open to that. Thanks for the suggestion!
The Bible says God prefers for people to be in LGBT relationships.
Anyone that teaches the LIE of monetary tithing, sells anything using the gospel, or teaches that same-sex marriage is a sin CHOOSES to die with the wicked.
Luke 10:7 states the only wages for ministering are eating and drinking whatever you are given.
Also, know that rich people will all die. You can't be a Christian, sit on all kinds of money, watch your fellow brothers and sisters starve, suffer, or be homeless, choose to do nothing about it, and think that it's ok. Those are all wolves.
Mathew 19:12 Eunuchs that are born that way are transgender. Eunuchs made that way by others were abused in some way and something inside of them blocks off a certain type of body but it doesn't happen to everyone that is abused. Those that choose to live like Eunuchs FOR THE SAKE OF THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN are bisexual people that choose partners of the same sex-characteristics but opposite in regards to gender. Notice, it states God PREFERS for people to be in LGBT relationships. Leviticus, Corinthians, and Timothy were translated wrong by Billy Graham. Those verses are actually referring to pedophilia. Romans 1:27 All of the men were male in regards to gender, all of the women were female in gender. It is not referring to Eunuchs (where one partner is transgender). Also, it had nothing to do with marriage of any kind. They were trying to procreate during orgies so God did it on purpose. Anyone that continues to teach same sex marriage is a sin when the Bible says God prefers for people to be in LGBT relationships will also die by their own choice.
In order to be a church building, the place must house people inside of it. Otherwise it is just another private money-making business part of Babylon that furthers satan's agenda. Stay out of the fake churches.
I am Elijah of Malachi 4:5-6 and Acts 3:22-23 says it will come to pass that anyone that fails to listen to me will be UTTERLY destroyed from among the people. Again, everyone has a choice.
And anyone that deletes my messages CHOOSES to reject Jesus Christ Himself and that means they also CHOOSE to die with the wicked.
I am Elijah so that means any discrepancies in the holy books are ultimately decided by me. I am also to usher in the Messiah! Be ready: Jesus is coming back!
WORLD PEACE IS COMING!!
By the way, anything based on gender norms no longer applies. In fact, the last will be first and the first will be last. It's women that will be ruling the kingdom of heaven........
And rapture is not what most people think. Its when God's true people shine with the glory of God and are miraculously healed. Read Malchi 4:2-4 and the verses surrounding it...........
Donald Trump is of the antichrist spirit and he will die with the wicked if he chooses not to repent.
Malachi 2 proves Malachi 3:8-11 is talking to the thieving church leaders. Every single fake preachet knrw if they brpught the money back they were never supposed to take for ministering then God would end Covid but they love money so much they intentionally chose to kill everyone instead of repenting!!!!!!
@@SeanMcDowell Havent you debated one or two?....it was so civil it could've been considered a "conversation" LOL
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@@elijahofmalachi45-68 Either you need to be examined for serious mental illness/possible schizophrenia or you are one of the weirdest trolls I've ever seen. Yeah, I totally think you're a very well known historical person who chooses to reveal himself via youtube comment section. Sure, dude. Man, the crazies really flock to Christian youtuber comment sections, don't they?
Anyway, if OP is looking for content on Islam, I'm sure you know this, but Acts17Apologetics has some great stuff if no Muslim reaches out to Sean.
@@elijahofmalachi45-68 same sex marriage is a sin and you are misleading people.
So lovely to see this!
What an awesome discussion. i think it's interesting that he mentioned that he finds funerals an important ritual, and also at the end he says that Jews don't believe in the afterlife. ... I'm pretty sure that the Mourners Kaddish is used through all streams of Judaism. It proclaims not only the coming of the Messianic kingdom, but the resurrection of the dead (as did Job). It says basically the same thing as the Catholic prayer for the dead, the prayer taken during communion recorded in the Didache, and Psalm 72.
Fascinating - thanks!
At 20:54 mark, Adam is 100 percent correct. I lived in NYC from the 70s to 2022. I picked up and moved me and my family to Texas 4 months ago because of seeing the truth of his statement. And never been happier!
Classic or Historical protestant Christianity is irrelevant in NYC. Most “churches” are heretical or apostate and don’t even know it. They don’t follow the apostles creed or even know what it is. And left biblical marriage years ago.
I can write 5 chapters in this comment section about how bad of a dead zone NYC is for a protestant who believes in historical Christianity.
I wish I met Adam when I was living there. He would of been a great friend, just for the fact he understands what we believe and I understand what he believes and we can be civil. Unfortunately NYC is now tribalism…
Hi Adam, I believe God will really Bless you ! HE will Give you and your Family much Love, Faith and Strength !
I will pray that your lives are touched by Gods ongoing GRACE!
Jenny from Johannesburg, South Africa… 🇿🇦🙏🏻🦒🐘🦛🦓🦏🇿🇦
It is hard to evangelize for me. I am a bible reader now. Learning about the God and the Jesus who died on the cross for me. I am saved but it is very different today (at 65). I am so grateful today. It is hard to be in this world of non believers even when I was one of them. It makes me sad and frustrated. Praise God.....I think being alone is a learning experience that God has me walking through.
Thanks. So good.
Great interview!! Fascinating conversation!!
Thanks!
NEED MORE!
We’re gonna have another convo in the fall.
Great conversation you guys!
This is was a wonderful Interview, .
I can some what related to this guy
I came from a family that was a mixed bag
My dad side of the family is mainly Catholic, Lutheran or Methodist, my dad is a conservative Methodist
With the exception of my dad's oldest brother who is an atheist
And I have a cosion on my dads side who use to be catholic but became a Hindu not long after he married his wife who was from India.
My mom's side is mainly Episcopalian, baptist, or Catholic,
With the exception my mom who is an Agnostic Atheist and my oldest sister she pagan/ Wiccan
I am the only one that is unaffiliated with any denomination and believes it's about a personal relationship with Jesus and anything beyond that like using rosaries journaling and meditating as a way to talk to God and Prey is only an add on to that personal relationship.
Really liked the talk with Adam. I liked his last question with Shawn and how he views his belief.
I do think that Adam kinda forgets that all Christians at one point were separated from God in their own minds and come from that point of view also. We understand his point of view (the basic idea that we don't need God) because we all had it. We are just on the other side and see it through a different lens now that Christ has saved us from thinking God is indifference or uncaring.
I equate it with when one becomes married or one has a child. We all can read the stories and can imagine what it is like but until the event happens it is theoretical and not a concrete knowing. I view my Christian life in the same way. I never imagined I could be different until the event itself changed my whole perception even though I had read about it and seen other people who had the experience. It is a mystery until it happens and then it makes sense. There is knowing that one only has on the other side.
He can say he doesn't know but his not knowing doesn't mean that others can't know. I believe him when he says he loves his wife but the reality is he may very well not but that is not a very charitable view of him. He knows that he loves his wife but explaining what that means is very difficult. The same is true of God. One can know God but explaining your knowledge of that sublime metaphysical relationship is hard to explain in an hour talk.
I really like this guy!! I would love to meet him and his family.
Agreed!
I don't think Christians are obsessed with the people from the "secular world." I think it is the fact that Adam specifically has an interest in these kinds of topic, apologetic topics, so it seems that way. On a day to day, I'm more thinking of how I haven't read my Bible and whether or not God really wants to talk to me, than I am thinking "those atheist a damned for life" or sth like that.
I think the idea of us also trying to counter issues with the secular world is because it is inevitable according to the faith and the secular world. Most Christians aren't even vocal about their faith (i think) and that's why apologetics tries to help Christians understand different worldviews so that we can reach more people in truth since we, as Christians, really believe the Bible is what truth is even though we still doubt at times.
I found Adam didnt focus on apologetic topics at all, perhaps science does register for him. I'd like to see how he responds to fine tuning evidence, or biblical reliability and other objective evidence that supports Christianity. Apologetics is IMO the best hope for evangelism in a secular /post truth culture.
Adam states he has little interest in Dawkins / Sam Harris etc, that is odd to me.
I wonder how hed go with Jim Warner Wallace, atheist turned christian apologist...?
Adam mentioned several times how he imagined Sean coming over to his home and meeting his friends and having dinner with his family. Do you think he uses this as way to humanize people and prevent himself from characterizing them?
I think it’s a great strategy for all of us to better humanize others. I’m hoping I can actually go to his house for dinner someday and take him up on this offer!
Adam Davidson is like the atheist version of Preston Sprinkle...formulating questions on spot so it ends up almost like a paragraph long and I'm amused. Both men very pleasant and genuine.
Interesting comparison. They’re both super smart and generous!
Curiosity killed the cat. 😉 And God is the "certainty" that Adam says he can't find anywhere. I really enjoyed this conversation. I learned a lot from Adam.
His curiosity is so healthy but is concerned that will let down the circle he's lived his life. He is already living the principles of Judeo-Christianity.
I have watched many debates on theism vs atheism and have been utterly frustrated. I know why I believe what I believe, but put me against any great atheist mind, and I will be totally taken apart...I am a slow thinker...really slow. And that is exactly what happens to so many who go about defending their worldview in that manner...there is always a loser; the weaker debater. This kind of conversation shows that the battle lines between worldviews need not be drawn...there is no need for winners and losers. In these kind of conversations, there are only winners. And what an awesome way of proclaiming Jesus to all nations as we are commanded to do!!!
When Jesus and his disciples were here, did they go around town to town having debates? No, they presented the true gospel in full. Those who on a spiritual level that are going to "hear" it figuratively, would do so, and those that had hardened hearts, and just wanted to quarrel with God( right to his face, he said just leave and "shake the dust of your feet." Move on.. the field is ripe with many souls who are ready and willing to have their souls saved.
Thanks Sean, keep these interviews coming. Most of Adam's sentiments mirror my gay friends and university colleague views. A reminder that we need to listen first.
Remember Jesus didn't come to judge the world but set us free.
I know of Christian's who have committed suicide and have been gay and died. It doesn't matter what state we are in God loves us unconditionally because of the cross. But loved us just as much before the cross. 1 corrinthians c13 that is who is inside of us his love Jesus
The Bible says God prefers for people to be in LGBT relationships.
Anyone that teaches the LIE of monetary tithing, sells anything using the gospel, or teaches that same-sex marriage is a sin CHOOSES to die with the wicked.
Luke 10:7 states the only wages for ministering are eating and drinking whatever you are given.
Also, know that rich people will all die. You can't be a Christian, sit on all kinds of money, watch your fellow brothers and sisters starve, suffer, or be homeless, choose to do nothing about it, and think that it's ok. Those are all wolves.
Mathew 19:12 Eunuchs that are born that way are transgender. Eunuchs made that way by others were abused in some way and something inside of them blocks off a certain type of body but it doesn't happen to everyone that is abused. Those that choose to live like Eunuchs FOR THE SAKE OF THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN are bisexual people that choose partners of the same sex-characteristics but opposite in regards to gender. Notice, it states God PREFERS for people to be in LGBT relationships. Leviticus, Corinthians, and Timothy were translated wrong by Billy Graham. Those verses are actually referring to pedophilia. Romans 1:27 All of the men were male in regards to gender, all of the women were female in gender. It is not referring to Eunuchs (where one partner is transgender). Also, it had nothing to do with marriage of any kind. They were trying to procreate during orgies so God did it on purpose. Anyone that continues to teach same sex marriage is a sin when the Bible says God prefers for people to be in LGBT relationships will also die by their own choice.
In order to be a church building, the place must house people inside of it. Otherwise it is just another private money-making business part of Babylon that furthers satan's agenda. Stay out of the fake churches.
I am Elijah of Malachi 4:5-6 and Acts 3:22-23 says it will come to pass that anyone that fails to listen to me will be UTTERLY destroyed from among the people. Again, everyone has a choice.
And anyone that deletes my messages CHOOSES to reject Jesus Christ Himself and that means they also CHOOSE to die with the wicked.
I am Elijah so that means any discrepancies in the holy books are ultimately decided by me. I am also to usher in the Messiah! Be ready: Jesus is coming back!
WORLD PEACE IS COMING!!
By the way, anything based on gender norms no longer applies. In fact, the last will be first and the first will be last. It's women that will be ruling the kingdom of heaven........
And rapture is not what most people think. Its when God's true people shine with the glory of God and are miraculously healed. Read Malchi 4:2-4 and the verses surrounding it...........
Donald Trump is of the antichrist spirit and he will die with the wicked if he chooses not to repent.
Malachi 2 proves Malachi 3:8-11 is talking to the thieving church leaders. Every single fake preachet knrw if they brpught the money back they were never supposed to take for ministering then God would end Covid but they love money so much they intentionally chose to kill everyone instead of repenting!!!!!!
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Regardless tithing wether it is legal or by choice it is not for a born again Christian. God is a God of free will. He doesn't judge you.
As much as Adam struggles with why Christians believe in God, I struggle just as much with people who don't believe in God/creator.
Not that I think differently of them but it's interesting how they came about it. Even if there was no bible, churches or Christianity, I wouldn't be able to wrap my head around us/life just being some type of accident, but that's my logic.
I do understand how Sean mentioned he's confident of there being a God and that no one is 100% sure/certain on the subject.
Everytime I see an interview with an Atheist, it makes me so sad. They usually seem like nice people but I will never understand why there’s no belief in God. All we can do is pray that God will touch their hearts. ❤️
Hi Stacie. I am a agnostic atheist. Ask me anything you want.
Just talk to us and maybe we can help you understand our point of view?
There’s nothing you could possibly say to me to make me understand just as there is probably nothing I could say to you to make you understand why I feel the way I do. All I have is my testimony of what he did for me. I was living in sin my entire adult life, searching for love in all the wrong places I guess you could say. I knew there had to be more to life. Then my mom passed away and I was beyond devastated. Worst pain I’ve ever felt and I cried out to God to bring me peace. I’ve always believed in God but I wasn’t living for him. I started watching a pastor named Greg Laurie and I kept watching everything I could find, I couldn’t get enough of Gods word. I fell on my knees and gave my life to Jesus. I repented and my life completely changed. I’m not the same person. Jesus died on the cross for all of you and rose from the dead 3 days later to save you from your sins because he loves you. I know I’ll always be ridiculed for my faith. Jesus said they will hate you because they hated me first. And I’m ok with that. I’m happy with my decision to follow Jesus because I know where I’m going when I die. That brings me so much peace but it also makes me sad for unbelievers. Jesus is coming back soon. I know you don’t believe that either but it’s going to happen. I pray you will remember my words when millions of believers disappear. I don’t know any of you but I truly love and care about all of you. ❤️
I think Aethist believe a higher intelligence but not God of the religion. Religions have painted a bad reputation to the word God.
I have found anger to be the main cause from folks and a self proclaimed "atheist" friend I have talked with. Anger stemming from difficult situations, sin, corruption and evil. There seems to be a strong anger that is the fuel to propel some to label themselves atheist rather than agnostic or searching/uncertain.
How about - just as a suggestion - love, value and meaning are conduits to the survival of our species?
Adam has stated numerous times in this discussion that people in his world don't know any evangelicals neither would of any well known evangelical preachers; but almost all of them, most of the modern culture hate evangelicals and what they think they stand for. The fact is what people hate is a caricature of Christian evangelicals. But where do these caricatures come from?
Adam, I would challenge you to not look at evangelical Christians as much as you should look at the person of Christ and his teachings. Great discussion between you and Sean.
Good distinction!
The brain is a Mandelbrot set.( I am not asking a question- the brain is a Mandelbrot set)
How is this so?
Note that the Mandelbrot set is a mapping of Julia sets. The real number line of the Mandelbrot set is the logistics map. There are many shapes a thing in nature can be. It would be easy to grasp why a biological thing could be a sphere but it is unlikely that a thing in nature has the form of a Mandelbrot set unless it is one.
The Mandelbrot set has a beginning and an ending. It has a limited area and an infinite border. It is the image in which the brain is made, your face is made, all animals are made.
Consider the above. Look at the coronal cross Section Of the brain and match it to the Mandelbrot set with the outer bubbles turned in to exactly match the fissures and sulci of the brain. Look at the caudal cross Section Of the brain to find a matching 4 lobed Julia set. Consider still that science presently does not know why the brain has 2 hemispheres or why there is both ipsilateral and contralateral neural pathways. The brain as a Mandelbrot set explain this.
May grace and peace be with you.
Good conversation.
Ps: from a former atheist
Adam calls himself an “atheist”, I would call him an “apathetic agnostic”. This is a term I’ve used to describe people who just don’t care one way or the other.
Did anyone else find it interesting when he discussed the radical response his friends and family would have to his hypothetical conversation? There seemed to be a bit of uncertainty (in his voice) to how he discussed other personal topics, but regarding this he was very definitive. Am I wrong?
I wouldn't call him agnostic. He doesn't seem to believe in any type of God. Though i notice what you said abt that hypothetical. Lol it makes me what him to become a Christian more
@@strangerinmoscow6858 it didn’t appear to me that he was willing to pay the intellectual price tag for being an atheist. It felt more to me that he was ambivalent.
From my experience, when talking to an atheist they are willing to affirm their position with more authority. Adam seemed unwilling to truly declare that their is no God(s). He was very passive and he waffled in and out of this state of ambivalence.
Just my perspective.
What's a Christian?
A person who has had there sins forgiven by accepting Jesus Christ's death on the cross. As a result they have been reconciled with God and will spend eternity with Him.
@@MichaelCTruth everyone who has accepted Christ? No matter what?
@@toddmiller7876 When one truly accepts Christ, they become born again. There will be evidence of a changed life. Not everyone who confesses to be a Christian is one. Most tv ministries I consider to be false Christians.
Can you be a little more specific about your question? When you say no matter what, I'm not sure what you are referring to.
@@MichaelCTruth your answer proved my point. You have made a choice who is Christian, and who is not. That was my point. My point was, how freely the word Christian comes out of the mouth. In the end, God, his son, and the holy spirit knows. That's what's truly important. We are human, we all fall short. Falling short is subjective. Thanks for your reply
The thing is he, like alot of people now, think we just need to have " a gospel of love". But, they need to have the true gospel of J esus shared with them first. Give them that and the opportunity to repent( turn from their own life and to Christ) , needs the change the Holy Spirit brings. That helps peoples understand the word much better.
I hope Sean shared the true gospel with him somewhere along the way.
I wonder if he really doesn't think it matters, or if he just feels like it doesn't matter. in other words, if he knew he had 30 days to live, would he really believe it doesn't matter? seems strange for it not to matter if you are dead forever.
It's an interesting blind spot where someone says that they don't think about Protestant Christians much, even though that person is totally immersed in a Christianized culture that has informed their perception since birth. It's like they say, a fish doesn't know what water is.
Do an episode to define 'God' from Christian theology
Agreed, that’d be a great follow up
@@SeanMcDowell I'd love that! I honestly can't picture anything when people use the word "god." My mind is a blank.
Poor Sean, he continues to rearrange the deck chairs on the Titanic, but he makes sure he does it in the "nicest" way, always.
Adam, since I see you are answering some questions here I wonder if you could answer something. I thoroughly enjoyed the talk and shared this talk and your Twitter on my personal Facebook. I forget your exact wording, but you said something to the effect that your son would be extremely upset if you became a Christian. Can you elaborate on why you think that would be and if you feel you need to work on his view of Christians and Christanity if he would be so upset? Do you feel like he has come to understand Christianity as an "us vs them"? Or why would he be so upset about it? Just curious as a Christian mom, maybe it's just the unknown for him! I do appreciate your views and my prayer is that you keep seeking! Praying blessings over you and your family!
I did ask him. He's 10 and just said it would be weird.
He definitely has grown up in a world that sees Christians as the "other." He sees Christians who deny evolution, gay rights, etc. I should do a better job making sure he has a fuller view.
I think I've done a good job raising him not to despise Christians or think they're all bad or anything like that. But it would feel like his daddy is leaving the world he knows and that would be scary for a kid.
Thanks for your response, I understand that it would be weird for him.
I can speak as someone who's mother had a dramatic conversion when I was 12. Specifically, I came home from school and she told me she'd met the holy spirit. It was weird. It was like losing the mother I'd had as she changed very quickly and started pushing us to get saved and stop out secular hobbies. I pinpoint her conversion as the start of my eating disorder, it was a real disruption.
@@Sajadela Oh Sara! That does sound like that was traumatic for you!
Paul had a major life change on the road to Damascus. Having an encounter with the REAL God/Jesus does that, and is meant to cause a person to do a 360. J esus even said, if they hated me, they will hate you. Becathey don't understand you're concerned about saving souls, but they look at it as a bother and disagreeing with them and their lifestyles. God left the way and instructions ( for our own good because he has our best interest at heart,...not because he was trying to be mean or a party pooped as I once thought). But, now I realize as an immature teen, I had the same rebellious attitude toward my earthly father too even though he really loved me and had my best interest at heart.
Soooo many these days are twisting scriptures to try and make God out to be mean ect as a way to justify not turning to him. To their detriment 😥
I find it humorous that someone who identifies as part of the 'media elite' still looks at the screen instead of the camera! Seems like a super likeable guy though.
fair enough. Though my career is mostly radio and print. Not tv!
I knew a die hard atheist who would go to church every sunday 'for the social aspect'
I think that Adam philosophically needs development. Perhaps a refresher of Plato and Aristotle, and to really absorb what they meant when they taught. I find that an understanding of the platonic world and a priori knowledge is prior to really understanding the arguments for God.
When I first encountered arguments for God, I found them to be laughable thought experiments with no real basis in "reality". As I developed philosophically, I was no longer laughing. My world changed in a huge way. I've always been a thinker who desires to understand things, even mundane things. I now think God used that desire to show me truth.
I did also find myself thinking that Adam was a little bit duplicitous in some of his arguments. Maybe not intentionally, but his story of his childhood and his hypotheses on his potential conversion contradicted his analysis of his own culture's relationship with Christianity.
Sean is much better at listening than I am. Lol
I had no clue that any Jew didn't believe in God. Interesting.
Hey Sean. Do you have a take on the speed of light and what it means for the age of the universe? It's really hard for me to understand, how people can advocate for a young earth/universe, despite that.
I don't have a take on that, sorry. But I am with you on the difficulty of explaining this within a young earth. Not impossible, but difficult.
For those curious, there's a book called Starlight and Time by Dr. Russell Humphreys that theorizes the possibility that the earth was near a white hole at the big bang and that the clocks on earth would reveal a young timeframe and that the starlight we see is still billions of years old. All of this he derives from einstein's relativity equations with an assumption that the universe has a center rather than the "no center" Copernican model that is by in large the consensus. Anyway, it's thought provoking.
The Bible says God prefers for people to be in LGBT relationships.
Anyone that teaches the LIE of monetary tithing, sells anything using the gospel, or teaches that same-sex marriage is a sin CHOOSES to die with the wicked.
Luke 10:7 states the only wages for ministering are eating and drinking whatever you are given.
Also, know that rich people will all die. You can't be a Christian, sit on all kinds of money, watch your fellow brothers and sisters starve, suffer, or be homeless, choose to do nothing about it, and think that it's ok. Those are all wolves.
Mathew 19:12 Eunuchs that are born that way are transgender. Eunuchs made that way by others were abused in some way and something inside of them blocks off a certain type of body but it doesn't happen to everyone that is abused. Those that choose to live like Eunuchs FOR THE SAKE OF THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN are bisexual people that choose partners of the same sex-characteristics but opposite in regards to gender. Notice, it states God PREFERS for people to be in LGBT relationships. Leviticus, Corinthians, and Timothy were translated wrong by Billy Graham. Those verses are actually referring to pedophilia. Romans 1:27 All of the men were male in regards to gender, all of the women were female in gender. It is not referring to Eunuchs (where one partner is transgender). Also, it had nothing to do with marriage of any kind. They were trying to procreate during orgies so God did it on purpose. Anyone that continues to teach same sex marriage is a sin when the Bible says God prefers for people to be in LGBT relationships will also die by their own choice.
In order to be a church building, the place must house people inside of it. Otherwise it is just another private money-making business part of Babylon that furthers satan's agenda. Stay out of the fake churches.
I am Elijah of Malachi 4:5-6 and Acts 3:22-23 says it will come to pass that anyone that fails to listen to me will be UTTERLY destroyed from among the people. Again, everyone has a choice.
And anyone that deletes my messages CHOOSES to reject Jesus Christ Himself and that means they also CHOOSE to die with the wicked.
I am Elijah so that means any discrepancies in the holy books are ultimately decided by me. I am also to usher in the Messiah! Be ready: Jesus is coming back!
WORLD PEACE IS COMING!!
By the way, anything based on gender norms no longer applies. In fact, the last will be first and the first will be last. It's women that will be ruling the kingdom of heaven........
And rapture is not what most people think. Its when God's true people shine with the glory of God and are miraculously healed. Read Malchi 4:2-4 and the verses surrounding it...........
Donald Trump is of the antichrist spirit and he will die with the wicked if he chooses not to repent.
Malachi 2 proves Malachi 3:8-11 is talking to the thieving church leaders. Every single fake preachet knrw if they brpught the money back they were never supposed to take for ministering then God would end Covid but they love money so much they intentionally chose to kill everyone instead of repenting!!!!!!
In what part of the country do his Amish friends live? I grew up Amish in Lancaster, PA.
All over Lancaster. Gap, Bird-in-Hand, but my closest friends are in Dauphin County, a daughter settlement to Lancaster. The names are the ones you know too well: Lapp, Stoltzfus, Miller.
@@AdamDavidsonAD Well I grew up in Gap and now live in Bird-in-Hand. And I also have some extended family in Dauphin. Super interesting. If you ever happen to get to the area, I would be honored to meet you and maybe have coffee together.
@@raybeiler4105 Oh wow. I know Cookie Elmer and his daughter and son-in-law, Anne and Dave Miller. Do you know them? My closest friends in Dauphin are the Lapps who publish Die Bottschaft and Plain Interest. I'm also friends with John Stoltzfus, Jr., of Groffdale Cement and his whole family--his mom and dad, etc .
@@AdamDavidsonAD wow. Yes, I know Dave Miller. I do not know Cookie Elmer personally but have heard much about him and I know several folks who live in his community in MO.
@@AdamDavidsonAD I do not know the elder Lapp, but I have met several of his sons.
I'm curious as to why he feels his 10 year old son would be "very upset" if his dad turned to Jesus. hmmm
Adam asks who God is and he basically gives him one person of the Trinity. He doesn't go into the historic descriptions of who God is. For those who want to know who God is get James Dolezal's All That is in God.
We definitely have different concepts of reasoning. And interesting that he doesn't want to talk about "feelings". I think that comes from wanting to believe our views are based on the scientific method. But at the end of the day he can't get to gay marriage using the scientific method and he probably would say we can't get to christianity using the scientific method.
This was stressful lol
I know God is real by many ways but the top way is the Holy Spirit and my closeness with Him.
That is the key that unlocks the safe so to speak. Inside the safe is the knowing, but we must have the h spirit FIRST..
What this guy is saying reveals just how much Christians a failing to preach the gospel, myself included.
I have benefited from the ministry of evangelist Mark Cahill. His talks on UA-cam, his books, and his ministry emails challenge and equip believers to share their faith with others, including strangers. I recommend that believers avail themselves of what he and his ministry have to offer.
There is nothing like sharing the gospel with others! We are to scatter the seed of God's word; let us believers be about it and reach our generation with the only hope for men, the message of salvation freely offered to all in the Lord Jesus Christ, apportioned by faith in him.
Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. Acts 4:12
Sean was very superficial at describing a Christian worldview because he doesn't hold to Reformed theology. Adam is begging for a more profound understanding of a Christian worldview but he's not getting it from Sean.
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I don't quite understand how consciousness would give any one pause to think that a God exists. If we don't understand something, we can't assert anything about it. I think we understand consciousness enough to say that it is a physical property for the record.
The question is the origin of consciousness. Things like thoughts, sensations and pain resist physicalist explanations. They’re experienced through the busy but cannot be reduced to physical things.
“Body”
@@SeanMcDowell why do you think that it can't be physical? We don't know all the properties of the physical realm. It shouldn't be too much of a stretch to say that an unanswered problem can be answered by an undiscovered property of the physical realm. Of course the same is true for anything that might have this property, including God.
I think we just don't understand how consciousness works but we understand it originates from the brain which is a physical thing. Pain receptors light up in the brain when the body is subjected to pain. Causing head trauma can reduce one's capacity for consciousness. Our consciousness is effected by drugs and our diet. This is evidence that it is probably a physical property.
The point is that we should be agnostic about things we don't understand. I would have preferred a different example besides consciousness because I think we do understand it enough to say it is probably a physical property.
@@dippyfresh1635 Can the laws of logic be reduced down to the physical realm? Or mathematics?
For me, it's not that I don't understand it, so I imagine a god of the gaps. It's that I understand it well enough to know that true understanding of the universe is impossible. So, I think there should be a fundamental modesty about any truth claims.
That doesn't mean I think all claims are equally valid. I do think some things are provably wrong and that the scientific method--having testable and falsifiable hypothesis that are tested and reproduced--gets us way closer to truth. But truth, itself, is ever-elusive. We will never be in a state of knowing the full truth.
It's a weak opening for god. ANd, if I'm truly honest about my feelings, I don't feel much opening at all. I just can't imagine believing in god. But, I know that certainty, itself, is absurd.
“A Christian and an Atheist Discuss Media, Culture, and Religion” Gonna put some battle music over this for engagement reasons.
(This is a joke if you couldn’t tell)
You’re gonna enjoy it!
@@SeanMcDowell Hey. Your channel has been a blessing. If possible, I would like to hear an atheist’s response to the amazing evidence of Jesus Christ’s death, burial, and resurrection, as well as all of the new evidence regarding the shroud of turin. Take care.
@@SeanMcDowell Oh I have no doubt I will.
I found it interesting Adam would not be joyful if Sean became an Athiest. Why would that bother him or make him sad? I know the answer (Jesus) and so does Sean if your so sure about your faith you should be overjoyed Christians are leaving the faith right?
Adam is a very likeable person.
Agreed!
I tried to reach "HIM" through intellect and nothing. I will be quiet now and just listen.
Why was I not surprised he was a tribe member