There's a quote I remember hearing about or relating to Chiang. "I am a military man. That's my duty. I am not the ideal man Sun-yat sen would want to lead China. But my duty is to make sure that the men who succeed me, still have a China to lead. "
@@sophonblock76 mao succeeded in what? Bringing china into poverty and famine and endless political chaos? Chiang at least turned Taiwan into a stable economy.
HE was right , can't be judged by todays standards , If not for him , Taiwan would not exist today at all !! And yes his methods were not right for now !
Hmm I'm wondering why are Taiwanese speaking mandarin and minnanese which are languages originating from China? Why aren't they speaking the native aborigines' languages?
Zennoix riel3620 Hmmm ... since after patriots took mainland from the Brits, Brits still speak English like Americans do, island of U.K. must be part of U.S., right?
those who think they can simply eradicate the past by removing statues are the behaving in the same way they claim to be against. History is history, you cannot hide from it. But you can choose to learn from it. I am proud of my Taiwanese ancestry and Chiang Kai-Shek is apart of that.
@@totalguardian1436 because that symbolizes soviet oppression and an era that is gone, the Republic of China still exists and Chiang Kai Shek statues symbolize prosperity and a Free China, not at all oppression (even if there was a little necessary bit)
Taiwan S. Korea and Singapore achieved crazy growth and development due to strong man like him .. ya he might have done some wrong things .. but we cannot judge past with current eyes ..
@@patxepi yes but we shouldn’t impose a modern-day perspective on past events. For instance, many historical figures were racists, which obviously isn’t okay, but considering that everyone at the time was a racist, it was basically the norm. You have to consider the fact that the nationalists had just lost a civil war and are paranoid about the communists, and thus martial law and purges occurred. Of course that isn’t to say that it was correct but you can definitely understand their thought process when you consider the situation they were in at the time.
@@tricksnotreats7277 Very well said. Taiwan was (and still is) the Nationalists' last stronghold, so they had to impose martial law and purges (although sometimes unjustly) to secure control of the island, in order to prevent a Communist takeover. It was unlike the U.S. and othe democracies, where the defeated political parties can continue to exist, function and attempt comebacks. Had the Chinese Communists conquered Taiwan, they would have persecuted, tortured and executed the Nationalists, as they did to those who had remained on the mainland.
@@tricksnotreats7277 if the Nationalists won the Civil War the Communists defeated then the Republic of China might still be dictatorship but united like Russia at the end of their Civil War and split with the US cuz China independent
@@matthewtuckman4447 I don’t know if the dictatorship would last in this timeline though since wouldn’t Chiang Kai-Shek still hand over the leadership to his son Chiang Ching-Kuo who was very pro-West so wouldn’t the ROC democratize eventually? I also would argue that the PRC might not be entirely defeated, the ROC’s best chances of winning the civil war was during 1946 when they held the initiative and assuming that they win in this alternate timeline because the manage to sever the communists’ supplies by capturing the major railroads in Manchuria, the Soviets could very well intervene to keep the CCP alive by forcing the two sides to sign a truce with the ROC owning all of the mainland and Taiwan except for East Turkestan and Manchuria which would be where the CCP would reside and essentially become a soviet puppet state. Perhaps if the Soviets also collapse in this timeline that’s when the ROC will seize the opportunity to fully unite China and destroy the CCP based in Manchuria. We can’t predict alternate histories with 100% accuracy, but hey it’s fun to ponder and think about the what ifs.
No one can deny that Chiang Kai-shek played an important role in the tremendous economic growth of Taiwan in the last century of 60 & 70. (Views from a Malaysian)
The problem with people in their judgements, is that they judge Chiang based on their Views, not on historical Facts. For example, they judge Chiang when Chiang co-operated with Qing Bang(Green Gang) in Shanghai to take down the Communists. Yet, now the people in Hong Kong are doing exactly what Chiang did. They literally kicked the Communist police in the face to protect their people in Hong Kong. When the Decisive Moments come, there is no time for "Moral", you either Act or Die.
@@hunggamerofficial3252 You really hit the nail on the head here. People really like to dismiss Chiang Kai Shek as a barbaric tyrant who trampled on San-Yat Sen ideals. Yet they fail to realize the dire situation the generalissimo found himself in, that being a china deeply corrupt and on the verge of conquest by foreign powers. When you understand these key variables it becomes easier to understand and analyze why Chiang acted in the way he did throughout his reign. If people put aside their naive and utopian ideals for a moment and looked at Chiang from the perspective of his time, I believe that most would have a more favorable/understanding opinion of Chiang Kai Shek.
@@alistar2590 Yet Chiang trampled on his people even when his rule on the Taiwan had been secure for years. Political opposition was jailed, tortured and murdered. He was obsessed with retaking the mainland and much national treasure went to training and equipping the armed forces for this impossible venture. Men died in vain for this. Even the Americans made sure to check on troop dispositions to see that they weren't being deployed for an invasion. There's also the fact that he chose to withdraw Taiwan from the United Nations when he was offered UN membership outside of the Security Council, at the point when the mainland was recognised as the representative of China on the Security Council. None of these actions were taken under threat or even in the interests of Taiwan or its people.
@@SuperSanic.. Chiang did let a war criminal go, and that was wrong, but he let him go out of desperation because his army was so exhausted from fighting the Japanese. Zhou Enlai wrote to Stalin in 1940 that roughly 3% of the forces fighting the Japanese were CCP; the other 97% were KMT.
@@thealpha364 Do not comment without knowing history of China and Taiwan, Taiwan complaint all 17 countries border land including whole of China, Taiwan complaint whole area of Mongolia, till 2001 Taiwan didn't had diplomatic relationships, CSK also believes in one China policy but he wanted to rule own his own way,
Haven't heard of this place when we went to Taiwan last year. I would have visited this place. Always admired Sun yat sen and Chiang Kai shek for their contribution to history.
thats debatable actually. Chiang was no different to Mao other that he is not a Communist. He did not want to cooperate with the Communist or form a united China. Only after his generals literally take him hostage and demand that he cooperate with the Communist.
@@thitran1362 He didn't want to co-operate with the communists because he knew that if they collaborate, and if they won the war, the CCP would be in a place of power. Also, there wasn't much to co-operate with. At the start of the second sino-japanese war, the communists had been relegated to the Shanxi mountains in and around Yan'an. Chiang was worried that allying with them would make the communists too powerful, and he was right.
@@daedulus7203 He also killed many Chinese rural people under the suspicion that they were communist. This is one of the reasons why rural Chinese supported Mao against Chiang. They were killed left and right by Chiang, until they have no choice but to support Mao against Chiang to stay alive.
@@darimiwamubarak Not necessarily. Many of the civilian deaths in the Chinese civil war before World War 2 were mostly due to the warlords. The rural killing were mostly orchestrated by warlords no the central government.
Their historical contributions should be recognized and respected. Everyone may do something wrong, but the goods deserve to be remembered and heritaged.
Nearly 90% of Taiwanese are ethnic Han Chinese though. It's in Wikipedia. Hence it's weird to me when they claim with pride they aren't Chinese, even though I understand why they don't wanna be identified as the communist mainland Chinese.
Chiang and Mao each killed more Chinese & more Taiwanese than any other imperialist, including japanese imperialists. Taiwan for Taiwanese! Let taiwanese decide for their own internal affairs - let us not interfere with them.
@@zennoix9984 Obama is an American not Kenyan, Steve Jobs is an American not Syrian, Andrew Yang is an American not Taiwanese. Is that really that hard to understand? Chinese are citizens of PRC which Taiwanese are not.
Shame on the ignorants that destroy statues in the US and Taiwan. There's truly no limit to human stupidity. Like all human beings he made many mistakes but he truly loved his country and fought against warlords and foreigners to unify it. I'm happy that in Japan monuments are respected and people still look up to the people that made our country prosperous. 歲萬國民華中
China (the most anti-democratic, anti-muslim, anti-black superpower in the world) refuses to learn from history & advance to the future. Taiwan should be afraid of China's imperialism, and prepare accordingly.
Chiang Kaishek reunited China with the Northern Expedition and protected China against Japanese invasion which as a result largely depleted his men and resources thereby losing the resumed civil war. He was not perfect but he'll always have my great respect. As a mainlander I hope for a reunited Republic of China 🇹🇼
Yes, of course. I hope the unification happens within our lifetime. In fact, Mao regretted not keeping the ROC name as Sun Yat-Sen was his hero. Time to fulfill his death wish.
He's the reason you're able to move toward democracy and freedom today. It probably wasn't pretty at the time. Rarely is. Without him it's "all hail Chairman Xi!" So I think you oughta take the times and the extraordinary circumstances into question.
He was dictator himself tho..... but because he was an ally to the west he known for democracy, which is ironic considering Taiwan didn't become full democratic till his son passed away
@@mohammedriadh4990 south korea was also ruled by a dictator until it became democratic. I'd say that if the ROC won the civil war, china would have a higher chance of being a democratic country today.
@@mohammedriadh4990 You just don't understand how communists infiltrated and were like infestations at the time. You could never allow any weakness. Ataturk was also technically a dictator but he laid the groundwork for things to be democratic after he died.
Not Chang Kai Shek, but Sun Yet San. Of course Chang Kai Shek offered a lot of freedom in China, he offered freedom to mobsters, traids, tycoons, bankers and drug dealers.
This topic really brings out the irony and hypocrisy in several people. Many complain about the removal of these statues because of controversial past. Yet many would defend the removal of Confederate statues in the US because of a controversial past. Irony much.
I mean, sure some. But its getting to a point where there destroying any statues without any basis. Gods sake they want to destroy statues of Jesus, Abraham Lincolm which wants to abolish slavery
He's no saint but at least he won't starve like 60 million peoples to death. Worst he can do is a nationwide White Terror, which IMO even at its highest estimate won't reach the scale of Great Leap Forward. Keep in mind that he only trusted his son to continue him. And you know what his son did in our timeline.
Chiang was a great man, not a prefect man. Similar to the statues in the US, remove the monuments of history, and you are doomed to repeat. Taiwan may soon forget Chiang and could fall from the inside to the tyrannical communist party.
Not the BEST guy, and also not the best at winning a civil war when you've got all the cities and soldiers on your side, but Chiang is the reason Taiwan is independent and safe right now instead of being a rural island ruled by the communists. Statues should commemorate someone's most important legacy, and I'd have to say that is his. He made the way for better men and women to make Taiwan what it is today.
Of course he got rid of opponents. How else do you think he could've kept the country intact especially with all those other entities he was battling with and recovering from.
As much as he fought the Japanese and the Communists, he still killed many of his own Taiwanese brethren for political reasons, just like Mao. We shouldn’t put right destroy the statues, but explain the history of Chiang’s oppression and martial law, and maybe move them to a place where they can exist without being front and center, so that those who liked him could honor him, and those who don’t do not need to see him being honored all day. Overall I am happy with the decision to keep them in this park
He killed Taiwanese Communists who wanted reunification under the rule of Chairman Mao. Mao was funding Communist Proxies in Taiwan to formulate a coup against Chiang, but thankfully, he killed them. He gave the Communists the proper death they deserved.
Despite the fact that Chiang Kai Shek ruled ROC under the martial law, which lasted almost 40 years, he is still one of the humanitarians and heroes back in the 20th century, I believe.
How Ironic in Taiwan they removing the Memorials of Chiang Kai-shiek. While in Mainland his image is rehabilitated and some of his Ancestral home at Mainland is now being restored and preserved.
now this is how history should be handled. we need to do such a thing here in the USA for all the old confederate stuff instead of protesters just vandalizing things.
Unlike the Confederate Statues here in the United States, I don't support the idea of removing the statues of Chiang. While he is an authoritarian dictator that shouldn't be idolized, we should still respect his efforts and his services to China. He is the soul reason as to why The Republic of China is still alive as a political entity today on the island of Taiwan. You need to understand that The Republic of China was authoritarian for a reason, in that they had to deal with Warlords, The Communist threat, and eventually the war with Japan. Full Democracy and freedom like we strive every country to be like in today's world wouldn't have been feasible.
A lot of the western world doesn't know about the white terror, the purges and February 28th. Laypeople like me, before educating myself in this topic, just viewed Taiwan as this peaceful democratic haven with no dark past- because we are so used to villainizing mainland China, when we talk about Hong Kong or Taiwan, we only think of rainbows and unicorns.
Same could be said for korea, but if you compare the dark past with the present day, there are stark differences between north and south korea and PRC and ROC.
THIS is what people should do. Statues are a part of history, and history is there for you to LEARN and UNDERSTAND. If it offends you, that’s great! It teaches you to not make the same mistakes as some of the historical figures have!
People need to realize this wasn’t their life back then that didn’t represent them. Therefore the people who live now before the statue has no right to remove them.
I'm a hoarder, so my opinion is keep all of the artefacts. 1:43 these lines should be etched into the brain. Never uses present ideas to blindly projects the past, EVER. I hate the fact how Western nation torn down statues and destroy them just because their figure don't fit their standards. Keep all of them to let each generation evaluate the role themselves and to never forget the past. (I just hate seing stuffs being discarded in general sorry)
History is extremely important. Otherwise, it repeats itself as we are seeing in our current age. Statues are made for glorification and remembrance. Keep his name and history in the books. But there's nothing wrong with replacing a statue of something more representative of current day values
This is definitely a better alternative (as well as placement in statues) than having public protesters knock down statues (which is what we have seen in the West in reaction to BLM protests).
1:35 It's very true The situation in the past wasn't the same as today and won't be either in the future Plus we can't change the past but can with the present I think it's important to remember
Cancel culture has hit Taiwan as well unfortunately. This is far left communist propaganda and Taiwan is not the only victim. Here in Europe we suffer from these individuals too. The softness of the western world has made people weak. Those who don't want Chiang may as well move to mainland China and live there for a while. If Chiang wasn't there Mao would invade just like he did to rest of China and heads would fall. Mao was much more ruthless, just like most communists. They are radical and fanatical. Some people don't seem to appreciate their liberty and this is the end of western democracies. Realize it before it's too late and societies relive the nightmare and terror of Communism and any other radical regimes. People who forget their history are doomed to repeat it.
Exactly, that`s the thing that confuses me the most about Taiwan, on one hand they are proud that they preserved Chinese history and one the other hand they don`t want to be called Chinese and want to separate from them
Chiang was a guilty person but also a hero in China's history. He was dictactorical and corrupted. But he was a strong leader that never yielding to Japanese even under the wrost case... He was doing efforts to unit that broken China. Yet he robbed China's treasures, elites, teachers then flee to Taiwan, leaving a poor China with hundred millions of starving and uneducated people. He promised that he will "liberate" China again until he died. Now this promise have been forgotten by people...
Why destroy them…they serve as a reminder and legacy….please don’t be like the folk here in America…my generation doesn’t understand the importance of remembering historical figures.
Compared to Mao Chang was a cuddly teddy bear. Seriously look at the alternative. Nothing like the Great Leap Forward or Cultural Revolution happened in Taiwan.
But Chiang was the main reason the ccp even won the war, chaing made the KMT extremely unpopular for the population because of actions he’s done in ww2
This is my reasoning for all statues people may find controversial: put them in a museum away from public eyes. We can’t erase history but we can and certainly have to learn from it.
Chiang Kai Shek was a pain to the Taiwanese that already lived there though i guess it is best to not glorify Chiang Kai Shek, he was brutal as Mao was
You can say he is a dictator, Mao is too, but let's see their intentions. Mao's cause (mostly the later stages, the cultural revolution), was for him to keep his political position by establishing a crazy fanatic around him. Chiang's cause was simply to prevent this fanatic from crossing over to Taiwan, thus fulfilling his nightmare of being under Mao, which was already a bad leader by how he lead the mainland. You see my point? Also yes, many did die under him, but to whom was the "Greatest manmade famine" entitled to? Mao's Regime. And at what cause did it happen? Because they wanted to rush industrialization with no care whatsoever to the people who truly are the working hands and minds.
What is wrong with people destroying the statues doesn't make the past better. If you want to destroy the past just because they don't have modern standards of freedom and leadership, then you have to rewrite history and destroy historical monuments. The statues can be served as a reminder of how better our lives have become compare to our ancestors in some countries.
A statue is not only a signifier of Glory. One might also see them as warnings. Anyway, a removal of statues is a removal of history, which is a bad idea.
I don't think China will every go democratic. Going democratic would mean losing to the West in a geopolitical game, and putting the whole Nation to shame.
It will be difficult. I didnt see so many statues of Mao or Deng in chinese cities especially in places like school. Ironically i saw some statues Sun Yatsen, but not many
It’s important to remember the past no matter how bad it was, because without it there is no present and there will be no future. Our past, present and future are what holds us together
There are tons, but I think pictures are more common in mainland China. These comments are really mediocre, even with a quick google search you'll find statues of Mao.
Without him, Taiwan would have never had the opportunity for democracy and China would've been lost to the Japanese. Considering the ridiculous odds against him, he did a great job in protecting the future of the Republic of China.
Taiwan independence gang are descent of japan Imperialism and anti chinese, also anti kuomintang(国民党) because of The February 28 incident or the February 28 massacre, also known as the 228 (or 2/28) incident. The February 28 incident or the February 28 massacre, also known as the 228 (or 2/28) incident (from Chinese: 二二八事件; pinyin: Èr’èrbā shìjiàn), was an anti-government uprising in Taiwan that was violently suppressed by the Kuomintang-led Republic of China government, which killed thousands of civilians beginning on February 28, 1947. The number of Taiwanese deaths from the incident and massacre was estimated to be between 5,000 and 28,000.The massacre marked the beginning of the White Terror, in which tens of thousands of other Taiwanese went missing, died or were imprisoned. The incident is one of the most important events in Taiwan's modern history and was a critical impetus for the Taiwan independence movement. 2月28日的事件或2月28日的大屠杀，也称为228（或2/28）事件（中文：二二八事件；拼音：Èr'èrbāshìjiàn），是台湾的反政府起义，暴力爆发自1947年2月28日起，在国民党领导的中华民国政府的镇压下丧生。台湾从此事件和大屠杀中丧生的人数估计在5,000至28,000之间。大屠杀标志着白人的开始数以万计的其他台湾人失踪的恐怖，死亡或被监禁。此事件是台湾近代史上最重要的事件之一，也是台湾独立运动的重要动力。 The period of white terror in Taiwan refers to the authoritarian rule in Taiwan carried out by the government of the Republic of China governed by the Chinese Kuomintang, starting from May 20, 1949 to May 22, 1991. Admiral Chen Cheng, chairman of the Taiwan Provincial Government and commander-in-chief of the Taiwan Provincial Security Bureau, issued the "Martial Law of Taiwan Province", proclaiming that martial law will be implemented throughout Taiwan Province from May 20, 1949. On May 24 of the same year, through the Third Reading of the Legislative Yuan, the "Regulations on Punishing Rebellion" was passed to implement the special situation of the rebellion of the Communist Party of China. In fact, through this "special criminal law", many unjust and false cases were caused, eliminating dissidents and consolidating authoritarian leadership. The center will punish and persecute those who criticize or oppose the government and dissidents (such as advocating Taiwan independence, left wing, etc.), arbitrarily crown the intent of subverting the regime, and excessively expand the scope of the punishment. Taiwan’s Security Command and other emotional governance units use special criminal laws to serve as a tool for the government to eliminate dissidents, disregard basic human rights, democracy, freedom, etc., and indiscriminately monitor the people. They conceal fake cases and impose on suspicious people or dissidents. The spy hats have indiscriminately arrested, killed, tortured, and confiscated property across the country, resulting in a large number of unjust deaths, unjust prisons, and injuries, and severe damage to people’s lives, property, health, and souls. 臺灣白色恐怖時期，是指中國國民黨主政的中華民國政府在臺灣進行的威權統治，從1949年5月20日始至1991年5月22日為止。臺灣省政府主席兼臺灣省警備總司令陳誠上將頒布《臺灣省戒嚴令》，宣告自1949年5月20日起在臺灣省全境實施戒嚴。同年5月24日經由立法院三讀通過《懲治叛亂條例》，為針對中國共產黨叛亂的特殊狀況而實施，實際上，透過此「特別刑法」造成許多冤假錯案，剷除異己、鞏固威權主義的領導中心，對於批評或反對政府者、持不同政見者（如主張臺灣獨立、左翼等等）進行整肅迫害，任意冠上意圖顛覆政權之罪名，將刑罰範圍過分擴張。臺灣警備總司令部等情治單位，藉由特別刑法充當政府整肅異己的工具，罔顧基本人權、民主、自由等、無孔不入地監控人民，對言行可疑人士或持不同政見者炮製假案、扣上匪諜的帽子，在全國各地濫捕、濫殺、刑求毆打及沒收財產，造成大量冤死、冤獄、傷殘，人民的生命、財產、健康以及心靈上遭受嚴重損害. This is why taiwan independence gang 🏴reject/ refuse/ betray people'republic of china🇨🇳 and even their own state(island province like state, not independence country) republic of china🇹🇼, because they are following japanization and japanese style to change taiwan. Democratic progress party is anti chinese and anti kuomintang of gang of bandit , thief and traitor. Shame to taiwan the chinese state, republic of china中华民国的中华台湾島国(中华省島的国,不是国家的国) Shame to formosan people福尔摩沙 Shame to chinese nation中华民族 Shame to chinese people中国人民/中华人民。 They will regret and will be retribution for their sin and act. 台湾独立， 汉奸走狗， 贼民暴民， 自编自导自演的行为， 自私自利， 自高自大的看不起别人， 自找麻烦的行为， 因果报应， 善有善报 恶有恶报， 人在做天在看， 南无阿弥陀佛. 🇨🇳🇭🇰🇲🇴🇹🇼VS🇹🇼🏴🇯🇵🇺🇲
How Long have the statues been at there? Suddenly everyone act like they are so into history and Wan dig up the past... why didn’t they do it last time?
It's nice that they chose to relocate unwanted statues to a statue graveyard instead of just destroying them. To me destroying statues can be justified but they are still pieces of history and it's important at least some physical evidence remain, outside of our textbooks and memories.
If those victims of 22/8 and white terror have clorox bleach they would use it to rub on their eyes. Besides,they even venerated a huge statue of him in CKS memorial already.
He was an important figure in the history of China as a whole and its defense against Japan, as well as Taiwan's history in particular. Keep the statues.
Statues were/are built to commemorate and honor the subject(s) first and foremost. With the advent of museums, public libraries, the internet and tech that makes us more equipped then ever for preserving historical data and artifacts their functions as facilitators of historical discussions are auxiliary at best. If one truly belives removing statues of questionable figures is equal to erasure of history advocate for said statue to be replaced with one honoring any victims or one that depicts a specfic event. Statuses like these are much more likely to incite questions and honest discussions of important historical events and figures then a man on horse looking dramatically into distance.
Assuming the island of Taiwan one day comes under the rule of the People's republic of China then the problem of what to do with these statues of Chiang Kai Chek will be solved once and for all.
Chiang should of worked with Mao when the Marshall missions was happening and pushed for a cooperative government. Instead he got greedy when the Soviets released Manchuria and tried to defeat the communist. Now China is a mess.
Chiang Kai-shek could have sided with the Japanese against the communist forces of Mao, but instead he chose to side with Mao. That was before the beginning of major hostilities with Japan. He wanted everything, and ended up with Taiwan. Mao ended up with China. Bad move....
Those same Japanese forces were systematically slaughtering the countryside and experimenting on kids... even Chiang knew he would have to ally with Mao against the Japanese.
There's a quote I remember hearing about or relating to Chiang. "I am a military man. That's my duty. I am not the ideal man Sun-yat sen would want to lead China. But my duty is to make sure that the men who succeed me, still have a China to lead. "
He knew he lost China and he will never get it back during his flight to Taiwan! He trust nobody except his son to suceed his throne!
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Then his son was the person who made Taiwan become a democratic country.
Chiang kai shek was a cleptocrat
@@jagdpanther2224 dont be silly.
@@sophonblock76 mao succeeded in what? Bringing china into poverty and famine and endless political chaos? Chiang at least turned Taiwan into a stable economy.
Since they are historical I think it's better they're put into one park like this rather than destroyed
HE was right , can't be judged by todays standards , If not for him , Taiwan would not exist today at all !! And yes his methods were not right for now !
Hmm I'm wondering why are Taiwanese speaking mandarin and minnanese which are languages originating from China? Why aren't they speaking the native aborigines' languages?
Zennoix riel3620
Hmmm ... since after patriots took mainland from the Brits, Brits still speak English like Americans do, island of U.K. must be part of U.S., right?
@@zilun Thats funny ,
@@zilun don't waste your precious time explaining to those dumb two-faced hypocrites
If you wipe out history, the mistakes of the past that are apparent by today's standards will be repeated and not corrected.
No one is wiping history. We never pretend history didn't exist. These statues weren't melted into bronze.
Ever heard of Museums?
Well statues are raised to honour the brave and the respected in the past
@@dukeofwellington8898 Yes that too
Well said. History has proven one country two systems is a failed scheme. Taiwan independence is in the bag.
those who think they can simply eradicate the past by removing statues are the behaving in the same way they claim to be against. History is history, you cannot hide from it. But you can choose to learn from it. I am proud of my Taiwanese ancestry and Chiang Kai-Shek is apart of that.
Why do european countries remove soviet statues then?
@@totalguardian1436 because that symbolizes soviet oppression and an era that is gone, the Republic of China still exists and Chiang Kai Shek statues symbolize prosperity and a Free China, not at all oppression (even if there was a little necessary bit)
Taiwan S. Korea and Singapore achieved crazy growth and development due to strong man like him .. ya he might have done some wrong things .. but we cannot judge past with current eyes ..
Dictatorship can lead to downfall too. Look at the Philippines and Indonesia.
@@patxepi yes but we shouldn’t impose a modern-day perspective on past events. For instance, many historical figures were racists, which obviously isn’t okay, but considering that everyone at the time was a racist, it was basically the norm. You have to consider the fact that the nationalists had just lost a civil war and are paranoid about the communists, and thus martial law and purges occurred. Of course that isn’t to say that it was correct but you can definitely understand their thought process when you consider the situation they were in at the time.
@@tricksnotreats7277 Very well said. Taiwan was (and still is) the Nationalists' last stronghold, so they had to impose martial law and purges (although sometimes unjustly) to secure control of the island, in order to prevent a Communist takeover.
It was unlike the U.S. and othe democracies, where the defeated political parties can continue to
exist, function and attempt comebacks. Had the Chinese Communists conquered Taiwan, they would have persecuted, tortured and executed the Nationalists, as they did to those who had remained on the mainland.
@@tricksnotreats7277 if the Nationalists won the Civil War the Communists defeated then the Republic of China might still be dictatorship but united like Russia at the end of their Civil War and split with the US cuz China independent
@@matthewtuckman4447 I don’t know if the dictatorship would last in this timeline though since wouldn’t Chiang Kai-Shek still hand over the leadership to his son Chiang Ching-Kuo who was very pro-West so wouldn’t the ROC democratize eventually? I also would argue that the PRC might not be entirely defeated, the ROC’s best chances of winning the civil war was during 1946 when they held the initiative and assuming that they win in this alternate timeline because the manage to sever the communists’ supplies by capturing the major railroads in Manchuria, the Soviets could very well intervene to keep the CCP alive by forcing the two sides to sign a truce with the ROC owning all of the mainland and Taiwan except for East Turkestan and Manchuria which would be where the CCP would reside and essentially become a soviet puppet state. Perhaps if the Soviets also collapse in this timeline that’s when the ROC will seize the opportunity to fully unite China and destroy the CCP based in Manchuria. We can’t predict alternate histories with 100% accuracy, but hey it’s fun to ponder and think about the what ifs.
No one can deny that Chiang Kai-shek played an important role in the tremendous economic growth of Taiwan in the last century of 60 & 70. (Views from a Malaysian)
Don't forget his son, Ching Kuo, in the 1980s.
The problem with people in their judgements, is that they judge Chiang based on their Views, not on historical Facts.
For example, they judge Chiang when Chiang co-operated with Qing Bang(Green Gang) in Shanghai to take down the Communists.
Yet, now the people in Hong Kong are doing exactly what Chiang did. They literally kicked the Communist police in the face to protect their people in Hong Kong.
When the Decisive Moments come, there is no time for "Moral", you either Act or Die.
@@hunggamerofficial3252 You really hit the nail on the head here. People really like to dismiss Chiang Kai Shek as a barbaric tyrant who trampled on San-Yat Sen ideals. Yet they fail to realize the dire situation the generalissimo found himself in, that being a china deeply corrupt and on the verge of conquest by foreign powers. When you understand these key variables it becomes easier to understand and analyze why Chiang acted in the way he did throughout his reign. If people put aside their naive and utopian ideals for a moment and looked at Chiang from the perspective of his time, I believe that most would have a more favorable/understanding opinion of Chiang Kai Shek.
@@alistar2590 Yet Chiang trampled on his people even when his rule on the Taiwan had been secure for years. Political opposition was jailed, tortured and murdered. He was obsessed with retaking the mainland and much national treasure went to training and equipping the armed forces for this impossible venture. Men died in vain for this. Even the Americans made sure to check on troop dispositions to see that they weren't being deployed for an invasion. There's also the fact that he chose to withdraw Taiwan from the United Nations when he was offered UN membership outside of the Security Council, at the point when the mainland was recognised as the representative of China on the Security Council. None of these actions were taken under threat or even in the interests of Taiwan or its people.
@Ashley No one could also deny that Chang Kai shek played an important role in the tremendous inflation of Chinese after WW2.
Chang Kai Shek one of China’s great patriots during ww2.
I think Chiang Kai Shek is wrongly maligned.
@@astrobullivant5908 he allied himself with foreigners for power. he even let a war criminal go with full honour
@@SuperSanic.. Chiang did let a war criminal go, and that was wrong, but he let him go out of desperation because his army was so exhausted from fighting the Japanese. Zhou Enlai wrote to Stalin in 1940 that roughly 3% of the forces fighting the Japanese were CCP; the other 97% were KMT.
@@SuperSanic.. Mao also let Puyi go and he was a Chinese traitor
@@xueyue5682 He was only let go after over a decade of torture in re-education.
Whatever atrocities committed, he saved Chinese culture and history from the Cultural Revolution, and that in itself, makes him worthy of praise.
Mao Killed Million in the Great Leap Forward.. Be Glad Chiang Save Them Before The Great Leap Forward
@@thealpha364 chang kept whole country under military rule for 21 year's..
He also committed crime
@@Malodaiofficial it was to save Taiwan. If he fail to lead Taiwan then Mao take Taiwan and yeah.. the people will suffer
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Do not comment without knowing history of China and Taiwan, Taiwan complaint all 17 countries border land including whole of China, Taiwan complaint whole area of Mongolia, till 2001 Taiwan didn't had diplomatic relationships, CSK also believes in one China policy but he wanted to rule own his own way,
@Hydra well the nationalist reform by implementing democracy while the communist reform by state economy and the Tiananmen Square massacre
Haven't heard of this place when we went to Taiwan last year. I would have visited this place. Always admired Sun yat sen and Chiang Kai shek for their contribution to history.
Chiang Kai-Shek saved millions of Chinese lives during WW2 and fought as a United China to defend Nanjing
thats debatable actually. Chiang was no different to Mao other that he is not a Communist. He did not want to cooperate with the Communist or form a united China. Only after his generals literally take him hostage and demand that he cooperate with the Communist.
@@thitran1362 He didn't want to co-operate with the communists because he knew that if they collaborate, and if they won the war, the CCP would be in a place of power. Also, there wasn't much to co-operate with. At the start of the second sino-japanese war, the communists had been relegated to the Shanxi mountains in and around Yan'an. Chiang was worried that allying with them would make the communists too powerful, and he was right.
There’s no way China would be able to join the axis since japan wanted to take control of China at the time
@@daedulus7203 He also killed many Chinese rural people under the suspicion that they were communist.
This is one of the reasons why rural Chinese supported Mao against Chiang. They were killed left and right by Chiang, until they have no choice but to support Mao against Chiang to stay alive.
@@darimiwamubarak Not necessarily. Many of the civilian deaths in the Chinese civil war before World War 2 were mostly due to the warlords. The rural killing were mostly orchestrated by warlords no the central government.
A park for rejected statues. Interesting idea
A.K.A. Hoarding
this is what they should be doing in the west
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They would make make a fortune 🤑
@@lalaicyling8429 Capitalists be like
You can find similar parks in Eastern Europe with tons of unwanted statues from the communist era there.
Their historical contributions should be recognized and respected. Everyone may do something wrong, but the goods deserve to be remembered and heritaged.
Then should Mao Zedong statues still exist
Green Cappy yes, it still exists and will exist in China.
Then should confederate statues continue to exist in America?
@@doleofdolonia8859 sure! By this logic yes, and I agree
@@doleofdolonia8859well, what did confederates do for America?
Chiang was alright though. This is probably to do with the growing movement of making Taiwan "Taiwanese" rather than Chinese.
Nearly 90% of Taiwanese are ethnic Han Chinese though. It's in Wikipedia. Hence it's weird to me when they claim with pride they aren't Chinese, even though I understand why they don't wanna be identified as the communist mainland Chinese.
@@zennoix9984 It's called a national identity
I can say I'm proud to be Australian but that's not me being a White nationalist
Chiang and Mao each killed more Chinese & more Taiwanese than any other imperialist, including japanese imperialists.
Taiwan for Taiwanese! Let taiwanese decide for their own internal affairs - let us not interfere with them.
Their official country name is republic of China tho, they are as chinese as those in the mainland.
@@zennoix9984
Obama is an American not Kenyan, Steve Jobs is an American not Syrian, Andrew Yang is an American not Taiwanese. Is that really that hard to understand? Chinese are citizens of PRC which Taiwanese are not.
Shame on the ignorants that destroy statues in the US and Taiwan. There's truly no limit to human stupidity. Like all human beings he made many mistakes but he truly loved his country and fought against warlords and foreigners to unify it. I'm happy that in Japan monuments are respected and people still look up to the people that made our country prosperous.
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You would be fine with Japan erecting Tojo statues?
In the us the statues that we take down are mainly form confederate generals.
@@nifralo2752 I wish Japanese people would do that
@@gustavofring5674 someone hates the Chinese
I say learn from his life and have China as well as Taiwan move forward to that brighter future. What he did was all history.
But there are people who are bothered by the past.
Well said
China (the most anti-democratic, anti-muslim, anti-black superpower in the world) refuses to learn from history & advance to the future.
Taiwan should be afraid of China's imperialism, and prepare accordingly.
@@bluenation3838yoohoo i love how you had added in 'superpower', meaning china is ranked 2nd out of 2 on something as if that is an impressive number.
@@zennoix9984
Pretending to be bothered --- the usual culprits of self-hating bigots.
Chiang Kaishek reunited China with the Northern Expedition and protected China against Japanese invasion which as a result largely depleted his men and resources thereby losing the resumed civil war. He was not perfect but he'll always have my great respect. As a mainlander I hope for a reunited Republic of China 🇹🇼
Keep hoping 😹
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Yes, of course. I hope the unification happens within our lifetime. In fact, Mao regretted not keeping the ROC name as Sun Yat-Sen was his hero. Time to fulfill his death wish.
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Based🇹🇼🇹🇼🇹🇼seeing through the lies of socialism
China's last national hero...
He's the reason you're able to move toward democracy and freedom today. It probably wasn't pretty at the time. Rarely is. Without him it's "all hail Chairman Xi!" So I think you oughta take the times and the extraordinary circumstances into question.
He was dictator himself tho..... but because he was an ally to the west he known for democracy, which is ironic considering Taiwan didn't become full democratic till his son passed away
@@mohammedriadh4990 south korea was also ruled by a dictator until it became democratic. I'd say that if the ROC won the civil war, china would have a higher chance of being a democratic country today.
@@mohammedriadh4990 You just don't understand how communists infiltrated and were like infestations at the time. You could never allow any weakness. Ataturk was also technically a dictator but he laid the groundwork for things to be democratic after he died.
Not Chang Kai Shek, but Sun Yet San. Of course Chang Kai Shek offered a lot of freedom in China, he offered freedom to mobsters, traids, tycoons, bankers and drug dealers.
This topic really brings out the irony and hypocrisy in several people. Many complain about the removal of these statues because of controversial past. Yet many would defend the removal of Confederate statues in the US because of a controversial past. Irony much.
I want the removal of all of those statues
Besos 4 why,
I mean, sure some. But its getting to a point where there destroying any statues without any basis. Gods sake they want to destroy statues of Jesus, Abraham Lincolm which wants to abolish slavery
Donk Face or Teddy Roosevelt who literally defended African-Americans
@@darthdwight3656 The American Election is going to be the highlight of the entire world I'll tell you hwat
I would rather have him than Mao
He's no saint but at least he won't starve like 60 million peoples to death. Worst he can do is a nationwide White Terror, which IMO even at its highest estimate won't reach the scale of Great Leap Forward.
Keep in mind that he only trusted his son to continue him. And you know what his son did in our timeline.
Chiang was a great man, not a prefect man.
Similar to the statues in the US, remove the monuments of history, and you are doomed to repeat.
Taiwan may soon forget Chiang and could fall from the inside to the tyrannical communist party.
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those are a bunch of lefty (communist)
He wasn't a villain he just made the wrong choices
If nobody wants that statues, then send one to me, that guy was a gigachad.
Taiwan: "I am China"
China: "NO I am China!"
Taiwan: "Okay, I am Taiwan"
China: "NO you are China"
Taiwan: "NANI?!??!"
😂😂😂😂😂
China: "U'r part of me"
Taiwan: "NEVERRRRRRRRRR" LOL
Taiwna: I am a puppet of the usa.
Japan: No, I am.
Taiwan: I am a puppet of Japan too.
Japan: Nani.....
@Nikos Gee South Korea is currently becoming a puppet of China.
Kim Jong Un : You guys muppet
It was the important day to learn histories on democracy in Taiwan.
Not the BEST guy, and also not the best at winning a civil war when you've got all the cities and soldiers on your side, but Chiang is the reason Taiwan is independent and safe right now instead of being a rural island ruled by the communists. Statues should commemorate someone's most important legacy, and I'd have to say that is his. He made the way for better men and women to make Taiwan what it is today.
How about Taiwan acts like adults and let’s America keep acting like a spoiled child.
fact is they already destroyed plenty of statue
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you call this adult?
he was a hero that tried to save China from totalitarysm
Finally some backstory on this guy.
Hope people will stop saying "communists were brutal, nationalists were victims"
The world is not that simple.
Here: "communists *are* brutal, nationalists *are* victims"
Not all, or not any, but the spirit behind.
1:37 me and boys coming out of quarantine 30kg heavier and cutting our own hair
............ okay then....
Of course he got rid of opponents. How else do you think he could've kept the country intact especially with all those other entities he was battling with and recovering from.
As much as he fought the Japanese and the Communists, he still killed many of his own Taiwanese brethren for political reasons, just like Mao. We shouldn’t put right destroy the statues, but explain the history of Chiang’s oppression and martial law, and maybe move them to a place where they can exist without being front and center, so that those who liked him could honor him, and those who don’t do not need to see him being honored all day. Overall I am happy with the decision to keep them in this park
He killed Taiwanese Communists who wanted reunification under the rule of Chairman Mao. Mao was funding Communist Proxies in Taiwan to formulate a coup against Chiang, but thankfully, he killed them. He gave the Communists the proper death they deserved.
Despite the fact that Chiang Kai Shek ruled ROC under the martial law, which lasted almost 40 years, he is still one of the humanitarians and heroes back in the 20th century, I believe.
Yes, I agree, his death count still cannot compare to that of the Japanese, Mongols, Soviets, etc.
Long life Dr sun yet sen
US should do this too
I don’t think you can find dirt on Lincoln or George Washington statues
How Ironic in Taiwan they removing the Memorials of Chiang Kai-shiek.
While in Mainland his image is rehabilitated and some of his Ancestral home at Mainland is now being restored and preserved.
now this is how history should be handled.
we need to do such a thing here in the USA for all the old confederate stuff instead of protesters just vandalizing things.
Unlike the Confederate Statues here in the United States, I don't support the idea of removing the statues of Chiang. While he is an authoritarian dictator that shouldn't be idolized, we should still respect his efforts and his services to China. He is the soul reason as to why The Republic of China is still alive as a political entity today on the island of Taiwan. You need to understand that The Republic of China was authoritarian for a reason, in that they had to deal with Warlords, The Communist threat, and eventually the war with Japan. Full Democracy and freedom like we strive every country to be like in today's world wouldn't have been feasible.
A lot of the western world doesn't know about the white terror, the purges and February 28th. Laypeople like me, before educating myself in this topic, just viewed Taiwan as this peaceful democratic haven with no dark past- because we are so used to villainizing mainland China, when we talk about Hong Kong or Taiwan, we only think of rainbows and unicorns.
Same could be said for korea, but if you compare the dark past with the present day, there are stark differences between north and south korea and PRC and ROC.
@@rockychang7595 I don't think you can compare PRC and DPRK. PRC is still thousands times better and freer than DPRK
THIS is what people should do. Statues are a part of history, and history is there for you to LEARN and UNDERSTAND. If it offends you, that’s great! It teaches you to not make the same mistakes as some of the historical figures have!
yeah, that's why they are taking them down. they learned. they wouldn't think about them otherwise.
People seem to forget that Taiwan was also a dictatorship
This is a very interesting solution. Maybe this could set a precedent for dealing with controversial statues elsewhere.
Chiang Kai-shek is a nationalist dictator who lost to communist dictator.
Just leave it there and treat them like art pieces by artists.
People need to realize this wasn’t their life back then that didn’t represent them. Therefore the people who live now before the statue has no right to remove them.
Too true Sir. I wish more people would see this debt we owe to our ancestors.
I'm a hoarder, so my opinion is keep all of the artefacts.
1:43 these lines should be etched into the brain. Never uses present ideas to blindly projects the past, EVER.
I hate the fact how Western nation torn down statues and destroy them just because their figure don't fit their standards. Keep all of them to let each generation evaluate the role themselves and to never forget the past.
(I just hate seing stuffs being discarded in general sorry)
History is extremely important. Otherwise, it repeats itself as we are seeing in our current age. Statues are made for glorification and remembrance. Keep his name and history in the books. But there's nothing wrong with replacing a statue of something more representative of current day values
This is definitely a better alternative (as well as placement in statues) than having public protesters knock down statues (which is what we have seen in the West in reaction to BLM protests).
As a Japanese person, I wish we can learn from Taiwan that truth in history must be respected.
He was a terrible person who massacred millions of his own. No different from Mao
Yes please learn about Japanese war crimes since they don't teach that in Japanese schools.
@@LordLobov he was a man who saved China from the Japanese but was defeated by mao and forced to Taiwan
Hey Taiwan don't purge your own history ;)
Why does everyone think this is purging history? These statues aren't destroyed. There is a Chiang Kai-Shek Memorial Hall in Taipei and it's huge.
"don't purge your own history ;)"
don't worry! Taiwan is not China, and Taiwanese are not like Chinese Communist Party.
:)
@@bluenation3838yoohoo You are China on paper. Just not the communist one.
But Chiang Kai shek is the one purging Taiwan history.
"don't purge your own history"
defends a man who modernised China by purging attempts to restore the Chinese monarchy and Confucian values
US southerners should open a park of removed confederate monuments somewhere in Richmond
1:35 It's very true
The situation in the past wasn't the same as today and won't be either in the future
Plus we can't change the past but can with the present
I think it's important to remember
They will replace for MAO statue.
For sure.
In the future, mainland Chinese support him as their leader while Taiwanese trait him. 中华万岁！
Cancel culture has hit Taiwan as well unfortunately. This is far left communist propaganda and Taiwan is not the only victim. Here in Europe we suffer from these individuals too. The softness of the western world has made people weak. Those who don't want Chiang may as well move to mainland China and live there for a while. If Chiang wasn't there Mao would invade just like he did to rest of China and heads would fall. Mao was much more ruthless, just like most communists. They are radical and fanatical. Some people don't seem to appreciate their liberty and this is the end of western democracies. Realize it before it's too late and societies relive the nightmare and terror of Communism and any other radical regimes.
People who forget their history are doomed to repeat it.
Logic: Taiwanese said, that Taiwan is the real China yet they don't like being called Chinese
Exactly, that`s the thing that confuses me the most about Taiwan, on one hand they are proud that they preserved Chinese history and one the other hand they don`t want to be called Chinese and want to separate from them
Chiang was a guilty person but also a hero in China's history. He was dictactorical and corrupted. But he was a strong leader that never yielding to Japanese even under the wrost case...
He was doing efforts to unit that broken China. Yet he robbed China's treasures, elites, teachers then flee to Taiwan, leaving a poor China with hundred millions of starving and uneducated people. He promised that he will "liberate" China again until he died. Now this promise have been forgotten by people...
I saw Chiang Kai-Shek portraits in several China's museums.
Strange how history has turned out. Mainland Chinese have more respect for Chiang Kai-Shek than local Taiwanese.
Why destroy them…they serve as a reminder and legacy….please don’t be like the folk here in America…my generation doesn’t understand the importance of remembering historical figures.
Compared to Mao Chang was a cuddly teddy bear. Seriously look at the alternative. Nothing like the Great Leap Forward or Cultural Revolution happened in Taiwan.
But Chiang was the main reason the ccp even won the war, chaing made the KMT extremely unpopular for the population because of actions he’s done in ww2
The past brought you to the present. Dont forget if not for the hard choices past leaders made you may have been on absolute control of the ccp now.
This is my reasoning for all statues people may find controversial: put them in a museum away from public eyes. We can’t erase history but we can and certainly have to learn from it.
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This is what America should do with Confederate statutes. This is a great idea!
No idiot its called history
Chiang killed 10m people only💀
@@youtubersruleyoutube2348 Mao killed probably much more
If you honestly think removing statues will change history or the future for better, please leave Canada, you virtue signaling traitor.
@@vishalgiraddi5357 yes 80m ...💀
ROC formed : 1912
PRC formed : 1949
So TW and China are 2 different countries. Mao formed another country called PRC in 1949
World: *accuses China of not owning up to its brutal history*
Taiwan: *literally trying to suppress parts of its history*
Chiang Kai Shek was a pain to the Taiwanese that already lived there though
i guess it is best to not glorify Chiang Kai Shek, he was brutal as Mao was
The purpose of historic statues is to teach us history. From history, we can get insights for our future.
You can say he is a dictator, Mao is too, but let's see their intentions. Mao's cause (mostly the later stages, the cultural revolution), was for him to keep his political position by establishing a crazy fanatic around him. Chiang's cause was simply to prevent this fanatic from crossing over to Taiwan, thus fulfilling his nightmare of being under Mao, which was already a bad leader by how he lead the mainland. You see my point? Also yes, many did die under him, but to whom was the "Greatest manmade famine" entitled to? Mao's Regime. And at what cause did it happen? Because they wanted to rush industrialization with no care whatsoever to the people who truly are the working hands and minds.
I am far away from being a friend of a treacherous murderer, but he founded Taiwan and his statue must stay in place.
Now let's see what the experts in the comment section have to say...
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What is wrong with people destroying the statues doesn't make the past better. If you want to destroy the past just because they don't have modern standards of freedom and leadership, then you have to rewrite history and destroy historical monuments. The statues can be served as a reminder of how better our lives have become compare to our ancestors in some countries.
Are they destroyed or preserved?
@@zilun this park preserve the statues but some statues in Taipei are deformed
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Taipei? Taipei has a massive Chiang Kai-Shek Memorial Hall. Look it up.
@@zilun I know about the memorial hall but this is what the video said. 2:20
A statue is not only a signifier of Glory. One might also see them as warnings. Anyway, a removal of statues is a removal of history, which is a bad idea.
Now we just wait for mainland China to do something similar in matter of years (if it actually becomes democratic by western standards)
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By looking current status of prc. U will die before u can see that
@@dewan4587 PRC may collapse soon
I don't think China will every go democratic. Going democratic would mean losing to the West in a geopolitical game, and putting the whole Nation to shame.
It will be difficult. I didnt see so many statues of Mao or Deng in chinese cities especially in places like school.
Ironically i saw some statues Sun Yatsen, but not many
It’s important to remember the past no matter how bad it was, because without it there is no present and there will be no future. Our past, present and future are what holds us together
we're certainly remembering a lot of history right now.
Where is this park? What's it called?
If Mao's statue was abandoned one day, hope our mayor will collect them and demonstrate in our town!
Oh I forgot there is no statue of Mao! Chiang was a dictator but not Mao
There are tons, but I think pictures are more common in mainland China. These comments are really mediocre, even with a quick google search you'll find statues of Mao.
@@lucas9269 yeah,like in Changsha
Shrek is love, Shrek is life.
Without him, Taiwan would have never had the opportunity for democracy and China would've been lost to the Japanese.
Considering the ridiculous odds against him, he did a great job in protecting the future of the Republic of China.
Makes sense why there is so many he founded them
You can’t destroy history anymore because it on the internet and in books. These statues can be forgotten but the history is not destroyed.
Taiwan independence gang are descent of japan Imperialism and anti chinese, also anti kuomintang(国民党) because of The February 28 incident or the February 28 massacre, also known as the 228 (or 2/28) incident.
The February 28 incident or the February 28 massacre, also known as the 228 (or 2/28) incident (from Chinese: 二二八事件; pinyin: Èr’èrbā shìjiàn), was an anti-government uprising in Taiwan that was violently suppressed by the Kuomintang-led Republic of China government, which killed thousands of civilians beginning on February 28, 1947. The number of Taiwanese deaths from the incident and massacre was estimated to be between 5,000 and 28,000.The massacre marked the beginning of the White Terror, in which tens of thousands of other Taiwanese went missing, died or were imprisoned. The incident is one of the most important events in Taiwan's modern history and was a critical impetus for the Taiwan independence movement.
2月28日的事件或2月28日的大屠杀，也称为228（或2/28）事件（中文：二二八事件；拼音：Èr'èrbāshìjiàn），是台湾的反政府起义，暴力爆发自1947年2月28日起，在国民党领导的中华民国政府的镇压下丧生。台湾从此事件和大屠杀中丧生的人数估计在5,000至28,000之间。大屠杀标志着白人的开始数以万计的其他台湾人失踪的恐怖，死亡或被监禁。此事件是台湾近代史上最重要的事件之一，也是台湾独立运动的重要动力。
The period of white terror in Taiwan refers to the authoritarian rule in Taiwan carried out by the government of the Republic of China governed by the Chinese Kuomintang, starting from May 20, 1949 to May 22, 1991. Admiral Chen Cheng, chairman of the Taiwan Provincial Government and commander-in-chief of the Taiwan Provincial Security Bureau, issued the "Martial Law of Taiwan Province", proclaiming that martial law will be implemented throughout Taiwan Province from May 20, 1949. On May 24 of the same year, through the Third Reading of the Legislative Yuan, the "Regulations on Punishing Rebellion" was passed to implement the special situation of the rebellion of the Communist Party of China. In fact, through this "special criminal law", many unjust and false cases were caused, eliminating dissidents and consolidating authoritarian leadership. The center will punish and persecute those who criticize or oppose the government and dissidents (such as advocating Taiwan independence, left wing, etc.), arbitrarily crown the intent of subverting the regime, and excessively expand the scope of the punishment. Taiwan’s Security Command and other emotional governance units use special criminal laws to serve as a tool for the government to eliminate dissidents, disregard basic human rights, democracy, freedom, etc., and indiscriminately monitor the people. They conceal fake cases and impose on suspicious people or dissidents. The spy hats have indiscriminately arrested, killed, tortured, and confiscated property across the country, resulting in a large number of unjust deaths, unjust prisons, and injuries, and severe damage to people’s lives, property, health, and souls.
臺灣白色恐怖時期，是指中國國民黨主政的中華民國政府在臺灣進行的威權統治，從1949年5月20日始至1991年5月22日為止。臺灣省政府主席兼臺灣省警備總司令陳誠上將頒布《臺灣省戒嚴令》，宣告自1949年5月20日起在臺灣省全境實施戒嚴。同年5月24日經由立法院三讀通過《懲治叛亂條例》，為針對中國共產黨叛亂的特殊狀況而實施，實際上，透過此「特別刑法」造成許多冤假錯案，剷除異己、鞏固威權主義的領導中心，對於批評或反對政府者、持不同政見者（如主張臺灣獨立、左翼等等）進行整肅迫害，任意冠上意圖顛覆政權之罪名，將刑罰範圍過分擴張。臺灣警備總司令部等情治單位，藉由特別刑法充當政府整肅異己的工具，罔顧基本人權、民主、自由等、無孔不入地監控人民，對言行可疑人士或持不同政見者炮製假案、扣上匪諜的帽子，在全國各地濫捕、濫殺、刑求毆打及沒收財產，造成大量冤死、冤獄、傷殘，人民的生命、財產、健康以及心靈上遭受嚴重損害.
This is why taiwan independence gang 🏴reject/ refuse/ betray people'republic of china🇨🇳 and even their own state(island province like state, not independence country) republic of china🇹🇼, because they are following japanization and japanese style to change taiwan. Democratic progress party is anti chinese and anti kuomintang of gang of bandit , thief and traitor.
Shame to taiwan the chinese state, republic of china中华民国的中华台湾島国(中华省島的国,不是国家的国)
Shame to formosan people福尔摩沙
Shame to chinese nation中华民族
Shame to chinese people中国人民/中华人民。
They will regret and will be retribution for their sin and act.
台湾独立，
汉奸走狗，
贼民暴民，
自编自导自演的行为，
自私自利，
自高自大的看不起别人，
自找麻烦的行为，
因果报应，
善有善报 恶有恶报，
人在做天在看，
南无阿弥陀佛.
🇨🇳🇭🇰🇲🇴🇹🇼VS🇹🇼🏴🇯🇵🇺🇲
How Long have the statues been at there? Suddenly everyone act like they are so into history and Wan dig up the past... why didn’t they do it last time?
It's nice that they chose to relocate unwanted statues to a statue graveyard instead of just destroying them. To me destroying statues can be justified but they are still pieces of history and it's important at least some physical evidence remain, outside of our textbooks and memories.
If those victims of 22/8 and white terror have clorox bleach they would use it to rub on their eyes. Besides,they even venerated a huge statue of him in CKS memorial already.
Communism, here in Canada there in Taiwan, let's remember who runs this newspaper.
He was an important figure in the history of China as a whole and its defense against Japan, as well as Taiwan's history in particular.
Keep the statues.
what defense? he hoarded all the supplies and used it against the communist, not the Japanese.
if u are still confused u are not alone
Nobody is confused so you're alone
@@anormalname6498 everyone is in a constant state of confusion. people know so little and are so uncertain about hings.
chiang kai shek is the father of the chinese nation.. long live the kuomintang..
I've been to this place, but I didn't understand at the time that the statues were rejected!
China's cultural revolution ended, but new cultural revolution started in Taiwan and West..
We should judge the past with our modern perspective. We should not be stuck in the past in our mindset
Where is it??
Statues were/are built to commemorate and honor the subject(s) first and foremost. With the advent of museums, public libraries, the internet and tech that makes us more equipped then ever for preserving historical data and artifacts their functions as facilitators of historical discussions are auxiliary at best. If one truly belives removing statues of questionable figures is equal to erasure of history advocate for said statue to be replaced with one honoring any victims or one that depicts a specfic event. Statuses like these are much more likely to incite questions and honest discussions of important historical events and figures then a man on horse looking dramatically into distance.
Assuming the island of Taiwan one day comes under the rule of the People's republic of China then the problem of what to do with these statues of Chiang Kai Chek will be solved once and for all.
if we remove these are people gonna forget the bad things they did?
Yes
Why does one man have this many statue?
cult of personality
Must've been a narcissist
Dictatorship.
Historical Significance and as a sign of separatism and opposition to the Communist Party.
1:45 when buddha voice it out it never seems right. Repent!
Chiang should of worked with Mao when the Marshall missions was happening and pushed for a cooperative government. Instead he got greedy when the Soviets released Manchuria and tried to defeat the communist. Now China is a mess.
@A A The last emperor of China was also installed as a puppet emperor of Manchukuo by the Imperial Japanese in China's north east.
Chiang Kai-shek could have sided with the Japanese against the communist forces of Mao,
but instead he chose to side with Mao. That was before the beginning of major hostilities with Japan.
He wanted everything, and ended up with Taiwan.
Mao ended up with China. Bad move....
Go google Xi'an Incident.
Those same Japanese forces were systematically slaughtering the countryside and experimenting on kids... even Chiang knew he would have to ally with Mao against the Japanese.
Taiwan, China! Eternally China! 🇨🇳
Wumao bots. Go back China
@@thealpha364 thank you alpha gamer boy, that was very constructive 😃😃
@@indubitablyso7874 thanks mate. It is my duty to shoo away Wumaos back to China as they belong there and are an asset to the CCP