This video reminds me of a teaching situation of ours. My late wife enjoyed tree work. One day she asked if she could be my apprentice. Now I know there are risks in this because it becomes a teaching situation, husband to wife. Sort of like teaching a family member to drive. So I made things simple, was quick to praise, and didn't damage her enthusiasm. I kept things light. This went very well. She was not new to equipment. She loved to use the wood splitter as well. Now she's been gone over two years. But these things are a good memory and I'm glad we did it. Thanks for this video. Michael 🌲
Reminds me of when my wife asked if she could be my apprentice. Great! That permitted me to teach. Gently. She was still my beloved and best friend. I thank God for the success He gave us, because after a few months she said she would never look at a tree the same way again. And it reassured me that I'd been gentle enough. Patient enough. She is gone now. So these are good memories -- not regrets.
I am female and got my first chain saw when I was 28, small gas. Now am 75 and have a medium sized electric. Prior to my own property and saw I had cut on family wood lots with 5 or 6 gas saws. The safety depends on the use intended and if you have the skill to correctly set the idle on a gas saw. It is really scary watching someone move along a tree butt with the chain not fully stopped. Also if you are working above ground, you must be able to start your saw safely once up in the air. That was when I went to electric. I had a non saw related injury to my left shoulder and could not hold saw still to start it. There was no way I was climbing a two story ladder to a house roof and walking across to the other side to trim branches on the far side with a gas saw idling. If you use electric, they have less power, work slower and let the saw take it's time to do the job. Look at your chips ,when they are sawdust, before that, change or sharpen your blade. Electric saws actually need more maintenance. Because they have less power to start with, they need to be sharpened, adjusted,oiled and given the chance to use the power they have. I have found a 12"-14" blade works best it reminds you this is not the king of the woods. I have learned to never let a man in my family touch my electric saws, they go too fast and overheat the saw and burn up the engine. I have a woodworking business, I used to go thru 4-6 tons a year, I'm now down to 1200-1500 lbs. The rest goes to the fire pit or a beginning woodworker. Try to learn from arborists, not power line trimmers. Happy sawing.
If you follow my channel, (and you do), then you know that I am a teacher. Especially now that I’m getting older. When I’m gone, hopefully, these videos will survive.
I've not operated a chain saw but I liken it to a vehicle: automatic vs. Manual transmission. I prefer manual = keeps me engaged in driving. Automatic is mundane, too easy to space out, not pay attention. But she needed to not shut the saw down and then try to remove the blade, she going to bend that blade. I notice that same thing on our gravel driveway, people come in, with our power steering, and sit there stationary, spinning the wheel: it effectively digs a danged hole in the driveway! If they'd turn the wheel As they slowly move? There'd be no hole I got to Fix. I was raised with a wood stove in northern Ohio. We spent a good portion of time making fire wood , thinning out the woods. Is good work, keeps one fit. But I'm small, never trusted with a 3' chain saw☺️ Good with the maul though
Good video. I might have told her to use some line on the saw to “aim” at a distant point while cutting both wedge and back cut. That helps keep the bar parallel for all three cuts. Lack of this parallelism causes lopsided wedges and lopsided break area when the tree does fall.
Kudos to her for wanting & trying to learn. Gotta start at the beginning. As a former instructor & forever learner/student, I can say one can learn a lot very quickly from an excellent & patient teacher
I'm a big fan of pole saws, I have a 10" electric one and it's my favourite to use, especially when limbing a larger tree you just felled. You have a ton of leverage over it due to the long pole, if it kicks back it won't get you - you're 6 feet away, if you slip and fall into it you're not falling on the bar - just the giant pole, and if a tightly sprung limb goes flying you're well out of the danger zone. Not completely idiot proof, but a much larger margin of error.
My first use of a gas powered chainsaw went along with what I learned in the Boy Scouts cutting down a tree with an axe. Knock on wood of the trees I have cut down all have landed where I wanted them to and hit nothing on the way down. Great feeling knowing you do not have to repair the house or call an electrician to replace the electrical service. :>)
We had a guy on our town road crew that was cleaning the brushes on a street sweeper, and his long hair got caught, and it removed about 20% of his scalp. It’s been years, and he’s still not 100%.
I love my Kobalt electric chainsaw! It does most of the work I need to do on my property. As with any equipment, you have to be careful. My Daughter had her hedge trimmer come back and get her knee this weekend while cleaning up from Ian. I'm sure most people who have worked all their life with dangerous equipment have stories to tell. I love listening to yours!
The smallest one hand battery chainsaws like the baby stihl gta26 or the cheapy chinese ones on auction sites also have their hazards , they work great for pruning but if the operator holds the branch quite close to the cut , it doesn't take much for injury to occur . These saws are popular with campers too and cutting loose sticks of dry firewood gives even less control .
re safety of electric vs gas chainsaws: I'm not a pro, but I had the SAME thoughts as what you say in the video when I got a little single-battery Makita to go along with my little gas Echo arborist saw. I very quickly started thinking "holy shit as soon as I turn the button ON this thing is ready to go. Somehow my spidey-sense just kept telling me I had to be extra careful. For ex I quickly decided to train myself to leave the button OFF at all times until the moment I was starting a cut and then turn it right back OFF again. ideally before even bringing the saw back from the branch. And in my case, there's not enough room for my whole hand to grip the little handle w/o having my index finger on the trigger, so that makes it a lot more dangerous too (I actually cut part of the trigger off so I'm less likely to unintentionally move it).
Thank you Blair, so funny! This video reminds me on some apprentices i had to teach ; but even more on myself 30 years ago...oh my...i thought to figure out this chainsaw stuff in two or three weeks, but it took me two or three years to get the basics. I've been still learning since!
Felling a tree on your first use of a chainsaw sounds really hard. Spending hours, days, or months bucking firewood is a good way to become familiar with the tool before "getting fancy" with it. One thing about electric chainsaws: a couple of times I've accidentally started one up with the scabbard still on. Not dangerous, but it does a number on the scabbard and man did it make me feel stupid. 😅 With a gas saw, not even I can be that absent-minded.
Love the classical music. Ohhhhhh... NEVER let customers help... Very dangerous.... At the Whitcombs, she hung a snag branch... the saw got stuck.... I had to finish... Ahhh...
I love my battery chainsaw . Keeping the bar oil up to them seems an issue with my workers. Use to checking when filling. For teaching I love the battery saw because I don't have to yell out if they are going wrong. The silence is a chance to talk. As an instructor I don't need to yell and can keep a charm voice that slows them down
What you said about electric vs gas powered saw reminded me a discussion about the quietness of electric cars. Interesting video... What would your insurance company said about it?
On the job site, I am now aware of all the silent moving vehicles that fly through my work site. Electric skateboards, scooters, bikes cars and other weird electric contraptions. Too much money where I live and too many fast toys.
Two things than I feel an electric benefits a newby is the chain is slower and it stops faster when the trigger is released. Glenn your points on it being less safe are well founded. I find that women generally take advice more seriously than men and try to be more precise with their cuts but are also much more timid with their cuts. Looks like she had a good grasp that the two face cut cuts need to line up... that's because of a good teacher.
As a frequent battery chainsaw usser. Yes they aquire more of your attention to operat safely. Newer husqvarna chainsaw have a special safty switch because of the accidental starts. You need to push the safety in the palm of your right hand up and then you can press it in the handel to use the trigger. It's strange at first put you adjust quickly.
I absolutely agree about electric chainsaws being possibly (depending on experience of operator of course) more dangerous as they're so easy to use and give a false sense of security. A gas powered chainsaw most people have a healthy respect for because it's inherently dangerous if misused and it's driven home by it's physical design and how it runs. An electric chain saw many see as just another battery powered/corded tool like a drill and don't take into account that if you make a mistake it could be fatal.
Hi Blair, yep. electric saws do not make a sound when they are ready to cut the hell out of your arm, leg or friend. A loud running gas saw, is obvious. And that hair needs to be tucked into her shirt. You gave her a real beginning. Good job Blair. George.
I tell people who want to learn to first watch the BC faller training standard, it's kind of outdated but the information in the series is sound. Then follow it up by watching wildland fire chainsaw series.
It's amazing at our age that we just have all of these skills. Makes it very painful to watch a beginner. After seeing this I recommend an 880 with a 59 inch bar for beginners. Everything after that should be easy. Definitely just kidding. Glad she had one of the best teachers she could have had. 🤘😎✌️🦅
its one thing to know how to do something, but its a whole new level/ world when you have to effectively teach different people how to do something, makes you appreciate what you know, and then have to learn how to teach. Some respond differently to the same approach, so it keeps you on your toes. Ive found teaching how to use saws, and felling required quite a bit of theory first, so when they had the saw in their hands, they knew the basics, and what was expected of them, so the learning of how to use it wasnt information overload like it can be when they first have the saw in hand, and no idea.
@@arboristBlairGlenn All good Blair, ive taught many on the fly, but most of them came with their own saws, so it was more about removing bad/ dangerous use, positioning, well done on taking out the time from your day to let them have some instructed use so they are better equipped for next time. I find those sort of instances take up a lot more time than you realise. Can appreciate there was much more chatter that happened that is not shown on your videos, like not bending the bar/ pushing against it and not allowing the chain to do its job, you could see after that the approach had changed, Thanks again for your time and effort you put into your work, both out in the field, and behind the keyboard. its much appreciated.
Bending the bar. Nope sorry that's to expensive lol. She was trying to take little bits and you can't do that. Chainsaws bounce and kick back like crazy if it's not supported inside the cut or the doggs. Definitely over thinking it. She's turning the saw throughout cutting the wedge and binding.
I have an electric 12 inch bar top handle, Really sweet saw, but I consider it more dangerous then the much much bigger gas saws. It's so small it easy to lose track of how easy it can cut thru flesh.
If you're going to do a second gaff you should make it higher. A lower gaff can barber chair and split up to the upper gaff and fall whichever way that was facing
Considering the lean, a barberchair won’t happen. If it was the other way around, possible. The downward pressure on the wedge cut (you call gaff), won’t split from a second face cut. Now if the wedge was cut low on the uphill side, with a higher wedge on the downhill side, yes, that could barberchair.
Some newbie opinion: I don't think there is a safety issue with electric saws. I assume it has the double switch, does it? Not just single trigger. Some grinders have it too. From the other side, electric saw is safer because it is more convenient. Less effort = more concentration. And also you can hear what is going on around.
That looks like a general lack of familiarity with the mechanics of tool use, and a chainsaw is a hell of a thing to start that process with! The first thing I ask when a friend expresses interest in riding motorcycles is whether they're a confident bicycle rider. Issues like tweaking that bar you can learn by snapping a few drill bits with less risk. Or jamming a manual saw. I just worry about people who "master" the basics but don't really grasp the physics of the situation, and then inevitably find themselves in uncharted territory with no instincts. I don't want to discourage anybody, but it's a fine line.
You're really good got a lot of patience Lol I've gone through that with my daughter and she's a left hand person so it was kind of hard for her but eventually she got it. it was a really good video I enjoy your videos take care
I don't think electric vs. gas chain saw makes a big difference. I think sawing any wood with a handsaw will teach you a lot about sawing, keeping blade parallel to cut, little to no downward pressure, even strokes, avoid just using the tip, and that can be transferred from a hand saw to a motorized (e or gas) saw. As a hobbyist wood worker and property owner, I just own an electric saw (14/16" bar Makita). I actually see benefits of an electric saw, as you can hear the wood working, which is drowned out by gas powered saw. Needless to say, for seriously big trees, a gas saw cannot be replaced, and then I leave it in the hands of professionals. I did use a plunge cut (tip first) in a tree stump very close to a chain link fence, and worked fine with just UA-cam as my teacher. I sure considered the various ways it could go wrong, and kept all limbs well away from any ricochet path of the chain.
Hi Daniel. The big danger (as I see it), with the electric saws is they are too easy to start up in a casual, unprepared manner. Start stop, start stop is so convenient, but easy to lose your concentration. When a gas saw starts, it can’t restart without a conscious pull.
Back in 98 we had a seminar course, and my classmate came in late. His long hair was matted on one side, because he set it on fire from an open torch in an art studio. The odor of burnt hair was intense! The next week he had a crew cut hahaha.
A top handle chainsaw is not the best saw to learn with, as the hands are so close together. I think a rear handle saw is better for a beginner because it is easier to control.
I happen to like using an electric chainsaw but I don’t think electric is more or less safe than a gas saw given the same size saws. With good fortune and proper safety measures applied, I’ve never had a injury from using a chainsaw.
@@arboristBlairGlenn I know I was just being an ass lol.. good job letting them fly on their own for a bit I have a very difficult time doing that with my crew
@@martinspijker9661 I’m not there to tell her to put on her seat belt before she drives her own car. This is her property, she will be using her own tools. I can advise but I’m not her boss.
Your 'student' seems to be very apprehensive about what she's trying to accomplish. Maybe scoring the bark would help her visualize the cut, line up the bar and show where to stop? Then commit to the cut. Pecking away at it is is dangerous in itself. I cringed a little when she stepped around the wedge side... even before the back cut.
@@arboristBlairGlenn There's a reason I put it in parentheses. Your client was taking instruction from you... no? I certainly hope she gets the hang of it if she chooses to use the saw they own. Anyway, thank you for taking the time to share your knowledge and adventures. 👍
Her indecision and slow comprehension is concerning. When the bar was stuck she does the opposite thing to get unstuck and is slow to be receptive to instructions
imagine being such a newb you wear ear protection with a electric chainsaw............................... then imagine using an electric chainsaw to begin with......................... i would not allow an electric chainsaw on my job sites. We need dependability not a battery dead in the middle of a cut...........................
This video reminds me of a teaching situation of ours. My late wife enjoyed tree work. One day she asked if she could be my apprentice.
Now I know there are risks in this because it becomes a teaching situation, husband to wife. Sort of like teaching a family member to drive. So I made things simple, was quick to praise, and didn't damage her enthusiasm. I kept things light.
This went very well. She was not new to equipment. She loved to use the wood splitter as well.
Now she's been gone over two years. But these things are a good memory and I'm glad we did it.
Thanks for this video.
Michael 🌲
I can only imagine losing my wife. Sorry for your loss.
Reminds me of when my wife asked if she could be my apprentice. Great! That permitted me to teach. Gently. She was still my beloved and best friend.
I thank God for the success He gave us, because after a few months she said she would never look at a tree the same way again. And it reassured me that I'd been gentle enough. Patient enough. She is gone now. So these are good memories -- not regrets.
Sorry Michael, I can only imagine losing my wife.
Very sorry for your loss Micheal, but glad you have the memories, not everyone has those.
Everybody has to learn at some point . She had one of the best teaching her.
Thanks Kirk. I did my best
I am female and got my first chain saw when I was 28, small gas. Now am 75 and have a medium sized electric. Prior to my own property and saw I had cut on family wood lots with 5 or 6 gas saws. The safety depends on the use intended and if you have the skill to correctly set the idle on a gas saw. It is really scary watching someone move along a tree butt with the chain not fully stopped. Also if you are working above ground, you must be able to start your saw safely once up in the air. That was when I went to electric. I had a non saw related injury to my left shoulder and could not hold saw still to start it. There was no way I was climbing a two story ladder to a house roof and walking across to the other side to trim branches on the far side with a gas saw idling. If you use electric, they have less power, work slower and let the saw take it's time to do the job. Look at your chips ,when they are sawdust, before that, change or sharpen your blade. Electric saws actually need more maintenance. Because they have less power to start with, they need to be sharpened, adjusted,oiled and given the chance to use the power they have. I have found a 12"-14" blade works best it reminds you this is not the king of the woods. I have learned to never let a man in my family touch my electric saws, they go too fast and overheat the saw and burn up the engine. I have a woodworking business, I used to go thru 4-6 tons a year, I'm now down to 1200-1500 lbs. The rest goes to the fire pit or a beginning woodworker. Try to learn from arborists, not power line trimmers. Happy sawing.
That was nice of you guys to take time to teacher her and not turn her down. It refreshing to see anyone who is eager to learn.
If you follow my channel, (and you do), then you know that I am a teacher. Especially now that I’m getting older. When I’m gone, hopefully, these videos will survive.
You're right, it was informative to see someone else making mistakes. And it was sweet of you to let her use your tools!
I sometimes teach classes to the mountain neighbors
I've not operated a chain saw but I liken it to a vehicle: automatic vs. Manual transmission. I prefer manual = keeps me engaged in driving. Automatic is mundane, too easy to space out, not pay attention.
But she needed to not shut the saw down and then try to remove the blade, she going to bend that blade. I notice that same thing on our gravel driveway, people come in, with our power steering, and sit there stationary, spinning the wheel: it effectively digs a danged hole in the driveway! If they'd turn the wheel As they slowly move? There'd be no hole I got to Fix.
I was raised with a wood stove in northern Ohio. We spent a good portion of time making fire wood , thinning out the woods. Is good work, keeps one fit. But I'm small, never trusted with a 3' chain saw☺️
Good with the maul though
Good video. I might have told her to use some line on the saw to “aim” at a distant point while cutting both wedge and back cut. That helps keep the bar parallel for all three cuts. Lack of this parallelism causes lopsided wedges and lopsided break area when the tree does fall.
For a first time with a saw, I just wanted her to get a feel for it. She actually wanted to learn more. Next time, more pointers.
Kudos to her for wanting & trying to learn. Gotta start at the beginning. As a former instructor & forever learner/student, I can say one can learn a lot very quickly from an excellent & patient teacher
I'm a big fan of pole saws, I have a 10" electric one and it's my favourite to use, especially when limbing a larger tree you just felled. You have a ton of leverage over it due to the long pole, if it kicks back it won't get you - you're 6 feet away, if you slip and fall into it you're not falling on the bar - just the giant pole, and if a tightly sprung limb goes flying you're well out of the danger zone. Not completely idiot proof, but a much larger margin of error.
A tool that can be valuable but also can make poor cuts
My first use of a gas powered chainsaw went along with what I learned in the Boy Scouts cutting down a tree with an axe. Knock on wood of the trees I have cut down all have landed where I wanted them to and hit nothing on the way down. Great feeling knowing you do not have to repair the house or call an electrician to replace the electrical service. :>)
We had a guy on our town road crew that was cleaning the brushes on a street sweeper, and his long hair got caught, and it removed about 20% of his scalp. It’s been years, and he’s still not 100%.
I agree on your theory with the electric chainsaw. It's difficult to explain a 3D picture in your head to an other person.
I love my Kobalt electric chainsaw! It does most of the work I need to do on my property. As with any equipment, you have to be careful. My Daughter had her hedge trimmer come back and get her knee this weekend while cleaning up from Ian. I'm sure most people who have worked all their life with dangerous equipment have stories to tell. I love listening to yours!
I have witnessed a few chainsaw injuries but (knock on wood), have never had a chainsaw injury myself.
The smallest one hand battery chainsaws like the baby stihl gta26 or the cheapy chinese ones on auction sites also have their hazards , they work great for pruning but if the operator holds the branch quite close to the cut , it doesn't take much for injury to occur . These saws are popular with campers too and cutting loose sticks of dry firewood gives even less control .
Respect for any chainsaw is so important
re safety of electric vs gas chainsaws: I'm not a pro, but I had the SAME thoughts as what you say in the video when I got a little single-battery Makita to go along with my little gas Echo arborist saw. I very quickly started thinking "holy shit as soon as I turn the button ON this thing is ready to go. Somehow my spidey-sense just kept telling me I had to be extra careful. For ex I quickly decided to train myself to leave the button OFF at all times until the moment I was starting a cut and then turn it right back OFF again. ideally before even bringing the saw back from the branch.
And in my case, there's not enough room for my whole hand to grip the little handle w/o having my index finger on the trigger, so that makes it a lot more dangerous too (I actually cut part of the trigger off so I'm less likely to unintentionally move it).
Good thoughts. Agree
Thank you Blair, so funny! This video reminds me on some apprentices i had to teach ; but even more on myself 30 years ago...oh my...i thought to figure out this chainsaw stuff in two or three weeks, but it took me two or three years to get the basics. I've been still learning since!
I’ve been at it for 49 years, and I’m still learning!
i really enjoy your videos , thanks so much for sharing :)
Thanks Steve. Hope you find value in my efforts.
Felling a tree on your first use of a chainsaw sounds really hard. Spending hours, days, or months bucking firewood is a good way to become familiar with the tool before "getting fancy" with it. One thing about electric chainsaws: a couple of times I've accidentally started one up with the scabbard still on. Not dangerous, but it does a number on the scabbard and man did it make me feel stupid. 😅 With a gas saw, not even I can be that absent-minded.
Good point
Ha! Ha! Ha! I did the same thing with my pole saw. ;-)
I guess it’s good that the scabbards are not made of steel.
Love the classical music.
Ohhhhhh... NEVER let customers help...
Very dangerous....
At the Whitcombs, she hung a snag branch... the saw got stuck.... I had to finish... Ahhh...
I love my battery chainsaw . Keeping the bar oil up to them seems an issue with my workers. Use to checking when filling. For teaching I love the battery saw because I don't have to yell out if they are going wrong. The silence is a chance to talk. As an instructor I don't need to yell and can keep a charm voice that slows them down
Calm voice?
What you said about electric vs gas powered saw reminded me a discussion about the quietness of electric cars.
Interesting video... What would your insurance company said about it?
On the job site, I am now aware of all the silent moving vehicles that fly through my work site. Electric skateboards, scooters, bikes cars and other weird electric contraptions. Too much money where I live and too many fast toys.
Two things than I feel an electric benefits a newby is the chain is slower and it stops faster when the trigger is released. Glenn your points on it being less safe are well founded. I find that women generally take advice more seriously than men and try to be more precise with their cuts but are also much more timid with their cuts. Looks like she had a good grasp that the two face cut cuts need to line up... that's because of a good teacher.
Thanks for commenting.
Very helpful. Thanks.
Fine video. Is it true that protective clothing that jams a gas chainsaw will not jam an electric? I heard that somewhere.
Protective clothing has threads that physically interfere with the chain going round, can't see how that wouldn't have exactly the same effect?
@@peppigue I heard that the jam doesn't stall the motor on an electric saw, I think. So it keeps going, is much harder to jam?
@@RichardGilbert2727 The clothing gives you those few extra seconds, then your hand should hit the brake, kickback stop.
As a frequent battery chainsaw usser. Yes they aquire more of your attention to operat safely. Newer husqvarna chainsaw have a special safty switch because of the accidental starts. You need to push the safety in the palm of your right hand up and then you can press it in the handel to use the trigger.
It's strange at first put you adjust quickly.
I absolutely agree about electric chainsaws being possibly (depending on experience of operator of course) more dangerous as they're so easy to use and give a false sense of security. A gas powered chainsaw most people have a healthy respect for because it's inherently dangerous if misused and it's driven home by it's physical design and how it runs. An electric chain saw many see as just another battery powered/corded tool like a drill and don't take into account that if you make a mistake it could be fatal.
I think the same way
Hi Blair, yep. electric saws do not make a sound when they are ready to cut the hell out of your arm, leg or friend. A loud running gas saw, is obvious. And that hair needs to be tucked into her shirt. You gave her a real beginning. Good job Blair. George.
I tell people who want to learn to first watch the BC faller training standard, it's kind of outdated but the information in the series is sound. Then follow it up by watching wildland fire chainsaw series.
Good advice
I liked the BC faller training series. They were fairly thorough.
It's amazing at our age that we just have all of these skills. Makes it very painful to watch a beginner. After seeing this I recommend an 880 with a 59 inch bar for beginners. Everything after that should be easy. Definitely just kidding.
Glad she had one of the best teachers she could have had. 🤘😎✌️🦅
880?? That gave me a good laugh
Three cuts...
1,2 the cookie wedge cut.
3 back cut with correct angle on the hinge
its one thing to know how to do something, but its a whole new level/ world when you have to effectively teach different people how to do something, makes you appreciate what you know, and then have to learn how to teach. Some respond differently to the same approach, so it keeps you on your toes. Ive found teaching how to use saws, and felling required quite a bit of theory first, so when they had the saw in their hands, they knew the basics, and what was expected of them, so the learning of how to use it wasnt information overload like it can be when they first have the saw in hand, and no idea.
Had I known ahead of time, I think I would have had a talk about it but it just sort of came about.
@@arboristBlairGlenn All good Blair, ive taught many on the fly, but most of them came with their own saws, so it was more about removing bad/ dangerous use, positioning, well done on taking out the time from your day to let them have some instructed use so they are better equipped for next time. I find those sort of instances take up a lot more time than you realise. Can appreciate there was much more chatter that happened that is not shown on your videos, like not bending the bar/ pushing against it and not allowing the chain to do its job, you could see after that the approach had changed, Thanks again for your time and effort you put into your work, both out in the field, and behind the keyboard. its much appreciated.
A good Teacher and being careful is the best you can do
This was just a one off because I was there.
I enjoyed that. watching someone allowed time, to figure out how to cut for the first time.
I found her pace impatient. Too focused on getting on with the job, not seeing calm operations as key to safety.
Bending the bar. Nope sorry that's to expensive lol. She was trying to take little bits and you can't do that. Chainsaws bounce and kick back like crazy if it's not supported inside the cut or the doggs. Definitely over thinking it. She's turning the saw throughout cutting the wedge and binding.
I think she will do much better the next time. Hope she appreciates this video.
I have an electric 12 inch bar top handle, Really sweet saw, but I consider it more dangerous then the much much bigger gas saws.
It's so small it easy to lose track of how easy it can cut thru flesh.
Agreed
Inevitably, new users feel "rushed" behind a gas saw. The battery saw was a good choice for this lesson
If you're going to do a second gaff you should make it higher. A lower gaff can barber chair and split up to the upper gaff and fall whichever way that was facing
Considering the lean, a barberchair won’t happen. If it was the other way around, possible. The downward pressure on the wedge cut (you call gaff), won’t split from a second face cut. Now if the wedge was cut low on the uphill side, with a higher wedge on the downhill side, yes, that could barberchair.
Some newbie opinion: I don't think there is a safety issue with electric saws. I assume it has the double switch, does it? Not just single trigger. Some grinders have it too. From the other side, electric saw is safer because it is more convenient. Less effort = more concentration. And also you can hear what is going on around.
Two sides to every accident story
That looks like a general lack of familiarity with the mechanics of tool use, and a chainsaw is a hell of a thing to start that process with! The first thing I ask when a friend expresses interest in riding motorcycles is whether they're a confident bicycle rider. Issues like tweaking that bar you can learn by snapping a few drill bits with less risk. Or jamming a manual saw. I just worry about people who "master" the basics but don't really grasp the physics of the situation, and then inevitably find themselves in uncharted territory with no instincts. I don't want to discourage anybody, but it's a fine line.
She has her own saw and will use it so any “tips” I can help her out with can only be positive. True, very dangerous machine.
You're really good got a lot of patience Lol I've gone through that with my daughter and she's a left hand person so it was kind of hard for her but eventually she got it. it was a really good video I enjoy your videos take care
Thanks Dan, yeah it’s hard to not just take over.
@@arboristBlairGlenn PS my daughter loves the view you have from your property she's always wanted to go to California
I don't think electric vs. gas chain saw makes a big difference. I think sawing any wood with a handsaw will teach you a lot about sawing, keeping blade parallel to cut, little to no downward pressure, even strokes, avoid just using the tip, and that can be transferred from a hand saw to a motorized (e or gas) saw. As a hobbyist wood worker and property owner, I just own an electric saw (14/16" bar Makita). I actually see benefits of an electric saw, as you can hear the wood working, which is drowned out by gas powered saw. Needless to say, for seriously big trees, a gas saw cannot be replaced, and then I leave it in the hands of professionals.
I did use a plunge cut (tip first) in a tree stump very close to a chain link fence, and worked fine with just UA-cam as my teacher. I sure considered the various ways it could go wrong, and kept all limbs well away from any ricochet path of the chain.
Hi Daniel. The big danger (as I see it), with the electric saws is they are too easy to start up in a casual, unprepared manner. Start stop, start stop is so convenient, but easy to lose your concentration. When a gas saw starts, it can’t restart without a conscious pull.
Back in 98 we had a seminar course, and my classmate came in late. His long hair was matted on one side, because he set it on fire from an open torch in an art studio. The odor of burnt hair was intense! The next week he had a crew cut hahaha.
Fire and long hair. Yup
And also: woodturning and long hair... 🥶
@@pierre5699 yes, the lathe and long hair do not mix
the person who has never made a mistake hasn't made anything
Nice work sawrus Trees-R-Us Oregon
Sawdust??
A top handle chainsaw is not the best saw to learn with, as the hands are so close together. I think a rear handle saw is better for a beginner because it is easier to control.
I happen to like using an electric chainsaw but I don’t think electric is more or less safe than a gas saw given the same size saws. With good fortune and proper safety measures applied, I’ve never had a injury from using a chainsaw.
Watching a NEWBY with an electric saw is different than someone with experience.
Longhairs bewares!
We had that talk too
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It costs extra for homeowner to help
Not these homeowners
@@arboristBlairGlenn I know I was just being an ass lol.. good job letting them fly on their own for a bit I have a very difficult time doing that with my crew
Hard to watch at some points but an amazing location
Andrew Peck from Lakeside?
@@arboristBlairGlenn Haha! Yes!
@@andrewpeck340 send me an email to blairglenn@gmail.com
I want to hear what you are doing.
Coach Blair
How can I send you an email?
Blairglenn@gmail.com
lesson 1 don,t give a newbey a chainsaw before he/she knows the rules!
She was not part of my crew. Better a bit of training than her going off on her own.
@@arboristBlairGlenn what if she had a backlash and the saw hit her in the head??
she didn,t had any gear on..dangerous..
@@martinspijker9661 I’m not there to tell her to put on her seat belt before she drives her own car. This is her property, she will be using her own tools. I can advise but I’m not her boss.
The electric chain saw is not Scary enough so easy to not respect it.
Fear is a great motivator
Your 'student' seems to be very apprehensive about what she's trying to accomplish.
Maybe scoring the bark would help her visualize the cut, line up the bar and show where to stop?
Then commit to the cut. Pecking away at it is is dangerous in itself.
I cringed a little when she stepped around the wedge side... even before the back cut.
Student, no. Just helping out while I was there.
@@arboristBlairGlenn There's a reason I put it in parentheses.
Your client was taking instruction from you... no?
I certainly hope she gets the hang of it if she chooses to use the saw they own.
Anyway, thank you for taking the time to share your knowledge and adventures. 👍
@@jimurrata6785 thanks Jim
Her indecision and slow comprehension is concerning. When the bar was stuck she does the opposite thing to get unstuck and is slow to be receptive to instructions
That is how all beginners start out.
Aren't you afraid of liability issues letting customers in the workplace? I prefer not to allow anyone to help.
Honestly? As much as I admire you, I'm disappointed in this video.
Why? Because I allowed the person who lives here to do what they wanted? It really wasn’t my decision but I did offer my advice. And my saw.
I asked her if I could use the video to show mistakes. She said ok.
Both Blair. The teaching is great, chainsaw 101 says felling is last, though. Her "mistakes" could have been a detriment to your channel.
@@tymesho Really ? I respectfully disagree .
imagine being such a newb you wear ear protection with a electric chainsaw............................... then imagine using an electric chainsaw to begin with......................... i would not allow an electric chainsaw on my job sites. We need dependability not a battery dead in the middle of a cut...........................
Clearly you have not tried the new battery saws. Not great for removals but my favorite trim saw