Make sure you read " Comfort in tribulation" written by More while in the Tower . An essay in logic and conscience with multiple endings as he was uncertain of his fate .
Thank you, really interesting. He was a complex man who burned those he who called heretics and it didn’t seem to have worried him too much. That’s what I e read anyway. Do you think Henry ever had any regrets about what happened to Thomas More? Guess he would have kept it to himself but it may not have improved his temperament! 🙏🙏🙏👵🇦🇺
From other sources, before there was much idea of checks and balances in government, the church formed one branch of government. There was monarch, church, nobles....and peasants if they wanted to rebel. We see this more in discussions at the time of the French Revolution and I have no idea if More or other humanists of the age had grasped this idea. I have wondered if More was willing to lose his life rather than endorse Henry as absolute, barely held in check by the nobles. I think England is better off due to the break with Rome as England was able to avoid some wars and other actions created or endorsed by the popes. On the other hand I can see there could have been great fear on the part of More and others, that without church oversight, Henry could have been more of a tyrant than he was.
I discovered this brilliant episode just now. It is very difficult to understand Thomas More. Not only because we live in the 21st century, we fear different things, we enjoy different things and we are probably not willing to give our lives for our beliefs. But Thomas More was difficult to understand even for his contemporaries. As mentioned he had a great sense of humour, very often people didn´t know if he is serious or joking. Intellectually he was above almost everyone yet his correspondence with Erasmus is full of almost teenager´s humour. His book about Richard III. is most likely a satire or rhetorical exercise for his school. It´s full of dialogues (awkward) and "mistakes" (awkward, TM was a brilliant lawyer), First mistake is in the very first sentence and it´s a fact that everyone knew thus Thomas More would look like a fool. On the other hand nobody wouldn´t know because TM didn´t finish it and never intended to publish it.
Strange "sex obsession" that referred to himself as a "beadsman," wore a hairshirt, considered virtue first and foremost in the education of his children and died under the axe protesting Henry's monstrous break with his lawful wife with the papacy.
15/52 Your Loving Beadsman is how More Signs his letters to Cardinal Wolsey Praying Rosary Beads for Wolsey is my Favourite Quote in this video /Joanne Paul admires Last Wife of King Henry most So what choice did More have over giving Speech against Wolsey that King Henry ordered and what would have been the consequence had he refused? Spiritual Unity of Church/Christendom transcends Prideful Luther as well as Prideful King Henry is central issue for More Saint Dunstan Canterbury has the Head of Saint Thomas and Stained Glass of him /Thank you Cardinal Morton is Saviour in History of Richard III/Ditto Moses wrote Eternal History as Conflict between The Upright and Wise Who Fear God Of Israel and those on opposite side
I missed a lot of information by being distracted by how many times she said, um or ah. Word whiskers. I hope she writes books and doesn’t focus on lectures.
Her speech would be fine with me in any lecture. She's very intelligent and has a lot of information to share. Sometimes people who know a lot of things by heart are pausing to "consult the notes in their head."
Wonderful podcast, he was a saint and a sinner. Not just one thing but both. For the terrible part he will pay. For the good parts praise,
Make sure you read " Comfort in tribulation" written by More while in the Tower . An essay in logic and conscience with multiple endings as he was uncertain of his fate .
Thank you, really interesting. He was a complex man who burned those he who called heretics and it didn’t seem to have worried him too much. That’s what I e read anyway. Do you think Henry ever had any regrets about what happened to Thomas More? Guess he would have kept it to himself but it may not have improved his temperament! 🙏🙏🙏👵🇦🇺
Always enjoyable and informative
Thank You so very much. ♥️♥️♥️♥️
You are so welcome
Thomas more is my favorite humanist so far.
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From other sources, before there was much idea of checks and balances in government, the church formed one branch of government. There was monarch, church, nobles....and peasants if they wanted to rebel. We see this more in discussions at the time of the French Revolution and I have no idea if More or other humanists of the age had grasped this idea. I have wondered if More was willing to lose his life rather than endorse Henry as absolute, barely held in check by the nobles.
I think England is better off due to the break with Rome as England was able to avoid some wars and other actions created or endorsed by the popes. On the other hand I can see there could have been great fear on the part of More and others, that without church oversight, Henry could have been more of a tyrant than he was.
In the portrait he looks like a young Lawrence Oliver
Read a book about Thomas More-is it true he wore a hair shirt?
There are evidently several contemporary sources who confirm he did indeed wear a hair shirt. Maybe not daily, but it was done.
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I discovered this brilliant episode just now. It is very difficult to understand Thomas More. Not only because we live in the 21st century, we fear different things, we enjoy different things and we are probably not willing to give our lives for our beliefs. But Thomas More was difficult to understand even for his contemporaries. As mentioned he had a great sense of humour, very often people didn´t know if he is serious or joking. Intellectually he was above almost everyone yet his correspondence with Erasmus is full of almost teenager´s humour. His book about Richard III. is most likely a satire or rhetorical exercise for his school. It´s full of dialogues (awkward) and "mistakes" (awkward, TM was a brilliant lawyer), First mistake is in the very first sentence and it´s a fact that everyone knew thus Thomas More would look like a fool. On the other hand nobody wouldn´t know because TM didn´t finish it and never intended to publish it.
Strange "sex obsession" that referred to himself as a "beadsman," wore a hairshirt, considered virtue first and foremost in the education of his children and died under the axe protesting Henry's monstrous break with his lawful wife with the papacy.
15/52 Your Loving Beadsman is how More Signs his letters to Cardinal Wolsey
Praying Rosary Beads for Wolsey is my Favourite Quote in this video /Joanne Paul admires Last Wife of King Henry most
So what choice did More have over giving Speech against Wolsey that King Henry ordered
and what would have been the consequence had he refused?
Spiritual Unity of Church/Christendom transcends Prideful Luther as well as Prideful King Henry is central issue for More
Saint Dunstan Canterbury has the Head of Saint Thomas and Stained Glass of him /Thank you
Cardinal Morton is Saviour in History of Richard III/Ditto
Moses wrote Eternal History as Conflict between The Upright and Wise Who Fear God Of Israel and those on opposite side
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Um um um um it it the the um um
Agree... Too many ums. Got a bit distracting. Its. its... as well.
I starting focusing on the ums over the content, too.
@@Fairred6507 trust me give up the longer you watch you will get angry then you will ask yourself wth did I waste those minutes 🙄😂
She's just thinking out loud and has a vast amount of knowledge to share. I found the content to be very enjoyable and wasn't distracted at all
I missed a lot of information by being distracted by how many times she said, um or ah. Word whiskers. I hope she writes books and doesn’t focus on lectures.
So annoying I can’t listen um anymore
People in the American south say ummm often and you know constantly
Her speech would be fine with me in any lecture. She's very intelligent and has a lot of information to share. Sometimes people who know a lot of things by heart are pausing to "consult the notes in their head."