Binge-watched PeanutButterGamer. Then clicked on Roses-video for a change. The first thing i hear is the voice of PBG... You can't escape the force that is PeanutButterGamer.
I remember when my mom found a book of HR Geiger out in my brother's room and FLIIIIIIPPPEED OUUUUUUT. She was convinced he was in some satan-worshipping cult.
I remember having a bizarre dream of Dark Seed III after playing both these games in a row. It had Jack from the second game as the main character and beating the last Ancient in order to save both the dark world and earth once and for all. The most bizarre thing wasn't the surreal imagery or events, but the fact it somehow actually tied up the story in a way that makes sense!
"I'm gonna sell you a mansion for ten grand." "Ten Grand did it burn down, needs millions in back taxes?" "Nope nothing owed, fully intact, and furnished." "Cool got any pictures?" "You can't see it." "What?" "You can't see it, or know who lived there, or anything about it really." "Why would I agree to this?" "It's a multi million dollar mansion for ten grand." "Sold."
That Gametrailers countdown is where I learned the existence of this game as well. Never got my hands on it. Seen the intro for sequel and I expect nothing short of greatness.
I think it's funny that Roses and PBG found this game the exact same way, then eventually played it, and have gone through the rest of existence ignoring our requests to play the second one. Sounds like kismet.
I like how in the 80's and 90's any old scrub could apparently just go off and buy a mansion. Sure maybe only haunted/demonic but what ever in 2020 that can barely even be considered a negative.
This game was extremely scary and unsettling growing up with this game. The art on the back of the jewel case had unsettling imagery and you were never sure when or if you had to fight monsters. It was the sense of dread with the amazing, but creepy art that made it one of the scariest games of all time. They weren't wrong. This is one of my favorite games of all time, besides Daggerfall.
Yes but what can u expect from a millenial that was 7-years-old when DarkSeed came out; she just got the game out of a list of vintage D.O.S. games; I guess she'll have to watch a 10 year old in 2030 making fun of her picachu or whatever sillly game she played as a kid
I did not find Mr. Dawson's mustache to be anything too special. I mean, he's no Stalin. But oh! That is one majestic mullet! Now THAT thing is impressive!
I would love for there to be a proper survival-horror game where you’re on a fully realized H.R. Giger inspired world fighting biomechanoid nightmares. Resident Evil meets Dark Seed essentially. Scorn is the next best thing if it ever comes out, but it doesn’t fully utilize Giger’s style like Dark Seed does.
I grew up playing this game - it was the only adventure game we had on my old computer. I totally understand why I could never finish it now and feel way better about never getting through it, lol. Fun fact: my dad looked EXACTLY like the lead character. That might have been why he bought it in the first place, actually
God, my dad picked Darkseed up back in the day, and it pissed us right the hell off. The lack of any guidance on what to do was brutal, especially with the time limit of 3 days. And maybe it was something with it being a bit of an old game and clock speeds, but we couldn't head to town and get back before night fell and we instantly died for being outside at night.
Great review! Thanks for mentioning the programming books. I kept hearing Mike Dawson's name and thinking, "Where have I heard that name?!". I actually have a bunch of his books and they're still really great for beginners!
PushingUpRoses, I'm really glad I stumbled across your channel while looking up the Residents last week. Your reviews are really well put together and funny. I'm also fairly ignorant of old PC games, so your game choices always interest me.
Back in the day, before the internet, playing this was scary (especially in the beginning of the game) because you didn't know what you were going up against, especially since all you saw were 3 hard to see screen shots on the back of the jewel case. It felt more like psychological horror and it was TERRIFYING back in the day.
this game was super scary to me as a kid. unfortunately it was incredibly unstable on my P133 so I was never able to beat it. Also, I loved how empty the town was. It had a Twin Peaks vibe where everything felt superficially nice but was really just a mask for darker things.
> It's only a rumour that he may have had a mental breakdown after the completion of this game > Wrote episodes for a TV show featuring Urkel after the development of Darkseed *Both statements can't be true*
C'mon Roses. Do a let's play of Dark Seed 2 with PBG! "HAH You missed pal!" "Mom hates it when I leave the toilet seat up, but it's my way of rebelling against the system. (FIGHT DA POWAH!)" "I'm just gonna relax and water my lawn for the next week or two. *cue Banjo Kazooie music*" "This will explain everything... SPLAT!"
These aliens obviously came to earth to learn the secrets of the mullet. Why else would they choose to "impregnate" Mike Dawson, and why else would there be a barbershop so prominently featured..?
Hi Roses, As someone who played PC games in my childhood, I would love to see you talk about Clue, Under a Killing Moon, and/or Bladerunner. All great games!
Great review, I was too young to remember all these games coming out (case in point I was born in '92) so it's awesome to see them now and have someone talk about them. Makes me feel like I was there, y'know? (also, those earrings...I have a mighty need to obtain them)
lol this channel is great. You've taken all these adventure games I've seen and thought were interesting, played them, and found them to be flawed crap. Thanks for spending the time so I don't have to!
I played this game hours and hours when I was teen and I really loved it. I remember that I was stucked in the game for several weeks just because I didn't notice a pin on the floor that I needed to unlock semething. I don't know if I would have the patience to do it again but I have a lot of souvenirs of it :-)
I remember getting this for the Amiga when I was a teenager and it creeping me out. Didn't play it much for that reason (I'm a coward) and it's general clunkiness.. Also time limits have no place in the world of point'n'click.
The design and atmosphere of this game was really intriguing, but so unforgiving having to do certain things at certain times. Never played Darkseed 2 but maybe that's a good thing...?
I remember that top 10 list as well. It was also the first time I've heard about this game. Still haven't played it though. But anyways, I've been binging your videos and I've been finding them fantastic. The way you talk about the games really captures my attention. Keep doing this awesome work.
I had this game but I couldn't play it because my Tandy 1000 couldn't push it. I gave it to a friend of mine to see what he thought, he never spoke to me again. I think he thought I was making fun of him. Great video, Keep em, coming.
I first saw this game when I was 6 or 7 years old while my dad played it. Scared me quite a lot, the presentation obviously hadn't aged all that much and the glitches etc were sorta par for the course at that time (early 90's?). I had no idea who Giger was at that age, but I knew the game kinda reminded me of Alien. What scared me was obviously the art, music and the fact that events take place on a timer. The ticking clock sorta thing with all of the sinister goings on outside of the players permission and all of the ambiguity was unsettling. I think my dad hated it and wouldn't play it again when I asked him to. I think it defined an aspect of what I still seek out in horror to this day, though I realise in retrospect it kinda sucked. The creepy atmosphere and the ambiguity of the threat but ever present sense of danger is what intrigued me so much.
I went to get replacement copies for this game on Amiga to the store 5 times because of faulty diskettes and then never played it. I still have it and the box is quite beautiful.
Imagine you stumble across this game in a store in 1992 and buy it because cool box art. Then get whatever wacky thing imaginatively served up by developers who made whatever they wanted. I miss those times.
seem like there somethin inherently mad creepy n disturbing about most of these kinda point-&-click DOS games, as if built in to they very technical & aesthetic limitations (ie the perpetually awkward controls, the tinny synth muzak, the uncanny valleyesque character designs, etc) all these games jus scream *WRONG* lol
I would argue that the main reason the aliens in this game felt effective (and yes, even scary to me) was because their goals or methods are never spelled out. You get hints about them but you never fully understand them. Evil beyond comprehension can be the scariest sort of evil. And while there's not much actual plot, there are bits and pieces that give you ideas about what's going on beyond the obvious. I thought the story was almost more about this ancient enmity between The Keeper of Scrolls and the aliens - Mike was just an unlucky dude who landed in the middle of it. He was their pawn. I might be giving the writers of this game a bit too much credit, but I really thought they managed to make a game that spells out very little, yet gives your imagination so much to work with at the same time :)
By never actually showing the antagonists they kind of allow them to remain alien, but the game allows them to remain ever present. You get the idea that they are looming over you watching and in some way knowing that they already succeeded and are just waiting until it occurs. Only a lot of contrivances, caused by manipulation behind the scenes, actually swings things in your favor.
I saw that same episode GT Countdown. I gotta admit, seeing it on the list freaked me out a bit. Seeing this......I think it was only scary because of the music they played and the images they showed. I wonder if the non-dos version was better.
I've always loved this game (I picked it up the first day it came out), but I do admit that it's mostly because of Giger's artwork in the game. Although I guess that doesn't explain why I've played it multiple times. :-)
This game has a little je ne sais quoi. I don't know what to choose between California, weird mansion, Mike Dawson and... H.R GIGER! Oh and also the fact that Mike Dawson used to be a successful advertiser before writing a book in a weird mansion.
I remember being creeped out by the game, but not scared. I also never beat it. I ended up writing down everything, keeping really clear notes, before getting flustered and quitting. It took about thirty seconds for each screen to load, and forever for each action. I wonder if I would do better now?
Wait. Why did the ancients try to destroy earth by implanting Mike Dawson with an embryo that would grow into a monster? Wouldn't it have made more sense to wait for it to fully grow and then send it to earth? Or implant a random animal somewhere with the embryo? Or hold Mike in their dimension until it was ready (or even almost ready) instead of letting him go back to his non-hostile homeworld where he can act freely?
I watch the footage of the game on some video years ago. While I appreciate the art style now, but when I was a kid at that time, I used to feel a sickly horror whenever I thought about it. Edit:- YES! That was the same video I watched it on!
![I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream - Game Review [PC]](/img/n.gif)
What a quaint little channel with a little bit of everything for day to day gaming.
+SpacemanMitch You forgot the *DINK*
+Mihály Kobela what a quaint comment
Dragoon-BB with a little bit of everything for day to day complaining *DINK*
the channel seems somehow out of time, like a relic of a dark past . . . or perhaps a dark future
What a quaint little UA-cam user with a charming little horse meme as their pic
I did a cameo voice for this!
Love the video, Sarah! One of these days we'll finally play DS2. ;)
+PeanutButterGamer I'm "looking forward to it" per se. ;)
+PushingUpRoses I'm ready for some more "scarrrry penises" You could say, I'M EXCITED O_O
Yay
+PeanutButterGamer YOU HAAAAAAAAVE TO
+PeanutButterGamer AT LAST :D
Binge-watched PeanutButterGamer. Then clicked on Roses-video for a change. The first thing i hear is the voice of PBG...
You can't escape the force that is PeanutButterGamer.
I remember when my mom found a book of HR Geiger out in my brother's room and FLIIIIIIPPPEED OUUUUUUT. She was convinced he was in some satan-worshipping cult.
I remember having a bizarre dream of Dark Seed III after playing both these games in a row. It had Jack from the second game as the main character and beating the last Ancient in order to save both the dark world and earth once and for all.
The most bizarre thing wasn't the surreal imagery or events, but the fact it somehow actually tied up the story in a way that makes sense!
Did Mrs Dawson's head exploding not explain everything...?
"I have a monster headache"... Burt Reynolds had a few too many happy shandies last night.
"I'm gonna sell you a mansion for ten grand." "Ten Grand did it burn down, needs millions in back taxes?" "Nope nothing owed, fully intact, and furnished." "Cool got any pictures?" "You can't see it." "What?" "You can't see it, or know who lived there, or anything about it really." "Why would I agree to this?" "It's a multi million dollar mansion for ten grand." "Sold."
That Gametrailers countdown is where I learned the existence of this game as well. Never got my hands on it. Seen the intro for sequel and I expect nothing short of greatness.
I think it's funny that Roses and PBG found this game the exact same way, then eventually played it, and have gone through the rest of existence ignoring our requests to play the second one. Sounds like kismet.
Dark Star He did a review, but we're looking for him and Roses to do a full LP.
I like how in the 80's and 90's any old scrub could apparently just go off and buy a mansion. Sure maybe only haunted/demonic but what ever in 2020 that can barely even be considered a negative.
This game was extremely scary and unsettling growing up with this game. The art on the back of the jewel case had unsettling imagery and you were never sure when or if you had to fight monsters. It was the sense of dread with the amazing, but creepy art that made it one of the scariest games of all time. They weren't wrong. This is one of my favorite games of all time, besides Daggerfall.
Yes but what can u expect from a millenial that was 7-years-old when DarkSeed came out; she just got the game out of a list of vintage D.O.S. games; I guess she'll have to watch a 10 year old in 2030 making fun of her picachu or whatever sillly game she played as a kid
@@alerey4363 God bless you for commenting :D
H.R. Giger!!!! Mike Dawson the games programmer wrote a game design textbook I read. I loved the box art. Very interesting game. Loved it.
I did not find Mr. Dawson's mustache to be anything too special. I mean, he's no Stalin. But oh! That is one majestic mullet! Now THAT thing is impressive!
Solid snake approves
I would love for there to be a proper survival-horror game where you’re on a fully realized H.R. Giger inspired world fighting biomechanoid nightmares. Resident Evil meets Dark Seed essentially. Scorn is the next best thing if it ever comes out, but it doesn’t fully utilize Giger’s style like Dark Seed does.
I grew up playing this game - it was the only adventure game we had on my old computer. I totally understand why I could never finish it now and feel way better about never getting through it, lol.
Fun fact: my dad looked EXACTLY like the lead character. That might have been why he bought it in the first place, actually
God, my dad picked Darkseed up back in the day, and it pissed us right the hell off. The lack of any guidance on what to do was brutal, especially with the time limit of 3 days. And maybe it was something with it being a bit of an old game and clock speeds, but we couldn't head to town and get back before night fell and we instantly died for being outside at night.
Oh man, that GameTrailers video... Brought so many great games to my attention. (At least Eternal Darkness, System Shock 2 and RE:make.)
I still can't believe this game made Gametrailers' Scariest Games list. Art is still magical, but man this didn't age well.
Great review! Thanks for mentioning the programming books. I kept hearing Mike Dawson's name and thinking, "Where have I heard that name?!". I actually have a bunch of his books and they're still really great for beginners!
PushingUpRoses, I'm really glad I stumbled across your channel while looking up the Residents last week. Your reviews are really well put together and funny. I'm also fairly ignorant of old PC games, so your game choices always interest me.
+DinosaurBand I am so glad. :)
Back in the day, before the internet, playing this was scary (especially in the beginning of the game) because you didn't know what you were going up against, especially since all you saw were 3 hard to see screen shots on the back of the jewel case. It felt more like psychological horror and it was TERRIFYING back in the day.
this game was super scary to me as a kid. unfortunately it was incredibly unstable on my P133 so I was never able to beat it. Also, I loved how empty the town was. It had a Twin Peaks vibe where everything felt superficially nice but was really just a mask for darker things.
the retsupurae video of darkseed 1 & 2 is an internet must.
+hploveshack99 Was the first thing I thought about when I saw the title to this video.
+hploveshack99 Indeed. Too bad Darkseed 2 is like 10 hours long, that one is a gem.
"Oh no, the Hall of Death! The only way out of here is death!"
+Marcus Alexandre Leitão Guedes Nothing will beat "Dear Mike, this will explain everything!"
littleNorwegians "She would be beautiful if her flesh was not decaying,"
+hploveshack99 "I don't think Ik and Uk are going to molest me anymore."
> It's only a rumour that he may have had a mental breakdown after the completion of this game
> Wrote episodes for a TV show featuring Urkel after the development of Darkseed
*Both statements can't be true*
C'mon Roses. Do a let's play of Dark Seed 2 with PBG!
"HAH You missed pal!"
"Mom hates it when I leave the toilet seat up, but it's my way of rebelling against the system. (FIGHT DA POWAH!)"
"I'm just gonna relax and water my lawn for the next week or two. *cue Banjo Kazooie music*"
"This will explain everything... SPLAT!"
I really prefer the whimpering loser version of Mike Dawson in the second game who lives with his mom and doesn't have .20 cents to use a pay phone.
+exiledPostman Hey it's the guy from the retsupurae comments!
Hey ya missed pal!
These aliens obviously came to earth to learn the secrets of the mullet. Why else would they choose to "impregnate" Mike Dawson, and why else would there be a barbershop so prominently featured..?
Great review as ever Roses. I will give the game credit, it's what got me into HR Giger's artwork.
Those ear rings are awesome, Roses!
DOS is BOSS
Those are some awesome earrings.
WHERE DID YOU LEARN TO FLY? WHERE DID YOU LEARN TO FLY? WHERE DID LEARN TO FLY?
Best earrings ever!
8:35 - one of the top 10 scariest games.... I can tell you that as an 11 year old playing this back when it was new - it was very scary...
Was going to comment this played it at 10 the floppy version(no voice) def scary
Meanwhile Retsuprae finished this and it's sequel. I hope you love Ring Toss.
I still love this game, brilliant graphics and atmosphere
The disclaimer sounded oddly like PBG...
I think it was.😺
+DeSo It was.
He did a playthrough of this game with pushinguproses
Brendogthewizkid :D Yeah! I saw some of that. Unfortunately the audio mixing was pretty bad in the first episode so I never watched the whole thing...
+DeSo went thru the comments just to know i wasn't the only one hearing it lmao thank you
Mike "Monster Headache" Dawson vs. Steve "Kidder" Mason! *FIGHT!*
The sound budget was 5 bucks, they put it all into the graphics hehe
I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream is the game that deserved HR Giger's art, not this.
You need to just list the lipstick you have on each video. They all look great.
Hi Roses,
As someone who played PC games in my childhood, I would love to see you talk about Clue, Under a Killing Moon, and/or Bladerunner. All great games!
Great review, I was too young to remember all these games coming out (case in point I was born in '92) so it's awesome to see them now and have someone talk about them. Makes me feel like I was there, y'know?
(also, those earrings...I have a mighty need to obtain them)
lol this channel is great. You've taken all these adventure games I've seen and thought were interesting, played them, and found them to be flawed crap. Thanks for spending the time so I don't have to!
I played this game hours and hours when I was teen and I really loved it.
I remember that I was stucked in the game for several weeks just because I didn't notice a pin on the floor that I needed to unlock semething.
I don't know if I would have the patience to do it again but I have a lot of souvenirs of it :-)
I remember getting this for the Amiga when I was a teenager and it creeping me out. Didn't play it much for that reason (I'm a coward) and it's general clunkiness.. Also time limits have no place in the world of point'n'click.
Was not expecting PBG's cameo I love that!
The design and atmosphere of this game was really intriguing, but so unforgiving having to do certain things at certain times. Never played Darkseed 2 but maybe that's a good thing...?
"DOS is Boss" oh man its been a forever since I heard that. Took me back. LOL Great video.
Aaaaand now I want to play Zork.
alien sounds like ripley!
I remember that top 10 list as well. It was also the first time I've heard about this game. Still haven't played it though. But anyways, I've been binging your videos and I've been finding them fantastic. The way you talk about the games really captures my attention. Keep doing this awesome work.
I am always slightly unsettled by the fact that Mike looks scarily like my father with a ridiculous mullet.
(Also, i'm expecting a lot of comments asking about you and PBG playing Darkseed 2.)
I had this game but I couldn't play it because my Tandy 1000 couldn't push it. I gave it to a friend of mine to see what he thought, he never spoke to me again. I think he thought I was making fun of him. Great video, Keep em, coming.
I first saw this game when I was 6 or 7 years old while my dad played it. Scared me quite a lot, the presentation obviously hadn't aged all that much and the glitches etc were sorta par for the course at that time (early 90's?).
I had no idea who Giger was at that age, but I knew the game kinda reminded me of Alien.
What scared me was obviously the art, music and the fact that events take place on a timer. The ticking clock sorta thing with all of the sinister goings on outside of the players permission and all of the ambiguity was unsettling.
I think my dad hated it and wouldn't play it again when I asked him to.
I think it defined an aspect of what I still seek out in horror to this day, though I realise in retrospect it kinda sucked. The creepy atmosphere and the ambiguity of the threat but ever present sense of danger is what intrigued me so much.
I went to get replacement copies for this game on Amiga to the store 5 times because of faulty diskettes and then never played it. I still have it and the box is quite beautiful.
I am a huge Giger fan. this was a game I played and agreed and laughed with you... awesome potential ...
Loved this game back in the day. It was super creepy. I got it on an old BBS if I recall, or perhaps a game swap with a buddy.
I loved that GT video. I've watched it many times, and it's strongly influenced my horror queue.
Let's play darkseed 2 pur and PBG this Halloween
“What a lovely day to sit on a balcony and watch the clouds go by!”
*tinny old game music*
“AAARRGGGHHH!”
This game deserves a modern day 'survival horror' re-imagining ^_^
The playthrough with PBG is how I discovered PUR! Man, time flies...
Love this vid. Got me laughing at the start. The PBG voice cameo but "dat glitch tho.."
This is one of my favorite games from back in the day..Thanks for covering it!!
Imagine you stumble across this game in a store in 1992 and buy it because cool box art. Then get whatever wacky thing imaginatively served up by developers who made whatever they wanted. I miss those times.
I wonder if we can get a remake of this boosting up the narrative and graphics and reusing Giger's art.
'Hey, you missed pal.'
What a quaint little quaint with a little bit of quaint for day to day quaint
I found you and I've been binge watching your videos. I really enjoy your content! Keep up the great work 👍!
That moustache though
Finally!!! I have always wanted to see roses do this one :)
The omelet comment had me dying! Definitely one of my favorite videos, Roses!
seem like there somethin inherently mad creepy n disturbing about most of these kinda point-&-click DOS games, as if built in to they very technical & aesthetic limitations (ie the perpetually awkward controls, the tinny synth muzak, the uncanny valleyesque character designs, etc) all these games jus scream *WRONG* lol
Amiga version had the best music, very creepy and atmospheric sounding.
But overall the best version was on Mac.
I played this game...a year? after it came out. I loved it...mostly for the artwork.
That music still haunts my dreams.
I loved this game so much growing up. Then the matrix came out with the exact same story!
This is why the most most important transaction of your life deserves the expertise of a realtor.
8:50 Too Funny. LMAO.
I remember playing this game on DOS back in the day. I really actually had fun with it.
I would argue that the main reason the aliens in this game felt effective (and yes, even scary to me) was because their goals or methods are never spelled out. You get hints about them but you never fully understand them. Evil beyond comprehension can be the scariest sort of evil. And while there's not much actual plot, there are bits and pieces that give you ideas about what's going on beyond the obvious. I thought the story was almost more about this ancient enmity between The Keeper of Scrolls and the aliens - Mike was just an unlucky dude who landed in the middle of it. He was their pawn. I might be giving the writers of this game a bit too much credit, but I really thought they managed to make a game that spells out very little, yet gives your imagination so much to work with at the same time :)
By never actually showing the antagonists they kind of allow them to remain alien, but the game allows them to remain ever present. You get the idea that they are looming over you watching and in some way knowing that they already succeeded and are just waiting until it occurs. Only a lot of contrivances, caused by manipulation behind the scenes, actually swings things in your favor.
2015 to 2020 when is the darkseed 2 review?
I saw that same episode GT Countdown. I gotta admit, seeing it on the list freaked me out a bit. Seeing this......I think it was only scary because of the music they played and the images they showed. I wonder if the non-dos version was better.
I've always loved this game (I picked it up the first day it came out), but I do admit that it's mostly because of Giger's artwork in the game. Although I guess that doesn't explain why I've played it multiple times. :-)
This game has a little je ne sais quoi. I don't know what to choose between California, weird mansion, Mike Dawson and... H.R GIGER! Oh and also the fact that Mike Dawson used to be a successful advertiser before writing a book in a weird mansion.
This game definitely had a charm about it back in the 90's. Oh how I miss old PC gaming!
Clearly, scary is subjective, because Darkseed has always given me chills like nothing else... ._.
;+Toa of Animation That it is. :)
Wow. I've been subscribed to this channel for a while; I remember the Let's Play!
Oh, delightful cheesy adventure goodness!
I remember being creeped out by the game, but not scared.
I also never beat it. I ended up writing down everything, keeping really clear notes, before getting flustered and quitting. It took about thirty seconds for each screen to load, and forever for each action. I wonder if I would do better now?
Wait. Why did the ancients try to destroy earth by implanting Mike Dawson with an embryo that would grow into a monster?
Wouldn't it have made more sense to wait for it to fully grow and then send it to earth? Or implant a random animal somewhere with the embryo? Or hold Mike in their dimension until it was ready (or even almost ready) instead of letting him go back to his non-hostile homeworld where he can act freely?
What a quaint general review with a little bit of everything for day to day existence. (DINK!)
I watch the footage of the game on some video years ago.
While I appreciate the art style now, but when I was a kid at that time, I used to feel a sickly horror whenever I thought about it.
Edit:- YES! That was the same video I watched it on!
WHOA!!!!
Did Peanut Butter Gamer do the intro?!
The Keeper of the Scrolls really needs to get her eyes checked out
I hope you do a Dark Seed 2 video! The guy who wrote that one was a substitute teacher at my high school. He was a pretty cool guy.
Great review! I love how silly darkseed is. Also LOVE your earrings
I could never get past the headache... :'( poor Mike!
Monster Headaches? Well, you always were a kidder, Roses...