Why did Movistar CHASE Richard Carapaz AGAIN?! | Tour de France Stage 7 2021
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- Опубліковано 5 лют 2025
- Lanterne Rouge presents highlights of Stage 7 of the Tour de France 2021 one of the most exciting and drama filled stages in recent Tour de France history, with a mega-break going up the road early with yellow jersey Mathieu van der Poel and Wout van Aert. Controversy between Ineos, Carapaz and Movistar struck again, with Movistar pacing back Carapaz, but did they have a legitimate reason to?
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Professional road cycling pundit Lanterne Rouge presents highlights of stage 7 / résumé étape 7 / resumen etapa 7 of the Tour de France 2021. Matej Mohorič (Bahrain - Victorious) wins the stage followed by Jasper Stuyven (Trek - Segafredo) and Magnus Cort (EF Education - Nippo). Mathieu van der Poel (Alpecin-Fenix) keeps the yellow jersey followed by Wout van Aert (Team Jumbo-Visma) and Kasper Asgreen (Deceuninck - Quick Step).
movistar were chasing for the sole reason that it was the tactically wrong thing to do. Reject Strategy, Embrace Chaos.
Movistar watched The Dark Knight last night and decided the Joker’s “I’m just a dog chasing cars” speech was the perfect strategic plan
Some DS's just want to watch the GC burn
Perfect!
Lmao
Really enjoyed your analysis and explanation of precisely why and how the large break formed. The dynamics of breakaway formation are never analyzed in this much detail by cycling commentators, yet this was the easily most important event in the whole stage. Keep up the great work.
"I wonder how UAE will recover for today's stage"
Pogacar definitely watches LR and had that quote in mind while climbing the Colombiere.
Movistar team motto is “if we can’t win, we’ll help someone else lose it”
Movistar is just the weirdest team to ever ride a cycling race. They have so many motives for what they do, and yet winning the race never seems to be one of them.
Movistar Is like the toxic ex girlfriend of Carapaz.
Exactly what I think. And it's seems to be the most toxic tour de france I have ever watched. Race over after 8 days.
So... It was a good decision to left Movistar.
never thought i would laugh out loud on a cycling vid comment. good one bro. cheers
This is the kind of analysis, ne investigative reporting, that the big budget broadcasters should be doing but completely forgot how to. Cheers Mate! I appreciate the work you’re doing here.
Everyone who saw the Documentary knows they dont know what they are doing. It always seems like they think, yeah lets see how it goes. No preparation, they are not on the same page at all. And if they cant win the race, they can atleast destroy carapaz race aswell. Idk why they did it, but im hyped for season 3 thats for sure.
Most talented team with the least cohesive game plan ever.
whats his documentary? interested...
@@Theredbastard2023 its on Netflix, check it out
@@WilsonBoit legend just found it
Lmao Movistar tactical blunders is a gift that keeps on giving. This year though, they might not win the movistar classification.
They are intent on screwing charapaz over. Fair enough i say
@@cypriano8763 agree. RC one super sympathetic Giro winner pledging his legions to Movistar and then this ugly move behind the backs to Ineos...fair enough Movistar.
@@jafrela8004 its like messing with don corleone
"terrible team does dumb stuff to get revenge on rider smart enough to leave them for that exact reason"
Pogacar seems a good guy xd, everyone wants to carry him in their back to paris, he dont need a team he have a peloton lol.
Movistar cant win a tour but for sure cab make someone lose it, i heard carapaz promised continue in movistar, but when said that he already signed with ineos
@theeverlastingspiral you got me 😂😂
I agree with your analysis. Mas and Carapaz are NOT competing for the same spots on GC, so it makes no sense to care about catching him.
Well worth the wait for this one. Chapeau 👏
At least Carapaz makes an effort to race, Movistar however are embarrassing...🤦
But they do make a lot of effort to lose. They're not being lazy about it.
@@javorgeorgiev6130 🤣👍
Movistar already said in Netflix that they don’t hate Carapaz....
Pfffffffft!!! 🤣🤣🤣
Just a quick appreciation comment. Great channel. Keep up the good work!
The Movistar team always acts like that, we've seen them do it time and time again. They never care for good sportsmanship. It's no surprise they chased Carapaz again. They have cost Carapaz multiple stages in multiple races so far. Instead of being all pissy because he left them they should be happy that he won them a Giro.
It was very patent during that Giro and on the subsequent doc that they were only racing for Landa. I wouldn't be surprised if for some of them, "Carapaz just stole their Giro".
Imo they have very short-term "gratitude" towards non-Spanish riders that win them races. No way would they have the patience afforded to Mas, Soler & Valverde to outsiders if they're not delivering.
@@facespaz Carapaz had no gratitude towards Movistar, they pretty much brought him up, he went and joined Ineos without notice
I just want to say your solo analysis of road racing is AMAZING. Please keep it up. I'd recommend a second channel for the given and take discussion approach.
Your wish has already come true, look up the Lanterne Rouge podcast
reminder movistar chased back nairo quintana in 2019 TDF
I always find my way back to the channel during the Tour de France.
So sad for roglic if only he didnt crash we about to witness a beautiful race
I continue to think that Cobrelli got off light for that wreck. I like Cobrelli, but he obviously move over significantly on Roglic.
Movistar is just continuing their questionable managerial decisions. This isn’t the first time. One thought: they do not come to the Tours to win at all.
Yess, team classification. They always win it.
Pretty much why they want to reel in Carapaz, I was joking earlier but they take that competition way too seriously, too serious for the likes of Quintana and Carapaz. Ineos is usually the one challenging them for that position so they've been hardwired to track down every move they make.
Great analysis as usual, please keep at it. ‘Negative racing’, clearly
Reason is Netflix signed another season for Movistar’s series and they need some interesting topics for the third season. Everyone is tired of Valverde by now 🤷🏻♂️
Maybe they have a Netflix guy in the DS car
Movistar's Mas blamed Ineos' Kwiatkowski for causing him to crash in the feed zone. There is a video clip on twitter showing Mas confronting and grabbing Kwiatkowski immediately after the stage.
Mas got beaten up
My takeaway is that spaniards are good at holding a grudge lol
Movistar to Carapaz
"Hello. My name is Eusebio Unzue. You abandoned my team. Prepare to die." #princessbride
Ahhhh.... So Movistar chased Carapaz and pulled along a vulnerable Pogacar because they were already resigned to not being able to beat him. Kinda makes sense, assuming Mas stands a chance against Carapaz... which he doesn’t! Just super annoying since they neutralised what was looking to be an incredibly interesting scenario of WVA and MVDP having 5-6 mins of Pog and Carapaz taking a minute on him too. Now it’s just boring since no one can beat Pogacar.
totally agree...Pog got a gift from Movistar...
The fact it happened again seems stupid and they don’t have an excuse this time. If Carapaz loses to pog car by 40 seconds we know who to blame
Have you seen today's stage? Several miracles would need to happen for it to come down to 40 seconds.
Movistar just giving the finger to Carapaz/Ineos. They'd been 2nd/3rd/4th best to Sky/Ineos and others for years and this is a way of taking any shine away from the competition.
Working in favour of the clear GC favourite takes all the edge out of the race, though. Dumb move and makes the race less interesting
@@saxy1player Mas races races against Carapaz for a podium spot, thoguh. Why would he let him ride away from him? It made perfect sense fro Movistar to follow him..
@@s.yohannes6429 No it does not, the guy under most pressure is the one favoured for the GC win. They should have let UAE pull - do you think UAE would let Carapaz get minutes on Pogacar? I very much doubt it, total knucklehead move
@@saxy1player Pogacar had no teammate. He couldn't chase him down so Movistar had to step in to protect their own interests which is a place on the podium
@@s.yohannes6429 That's my point exactly - he would be forced to pull on his own or let Carapaz gain minutes.
When you got 3 Vans in a brake away...
For me race was perfect because Van Aert and Van Der Poel remind me of those awesome cyclocross races. Both world champ both working together fighting for yellow jersey in TDF :) and even if so many of you keep replying that Van Der Poel will not finish TDF, I still belive in him and he remains my favorite rider in the last 5 years.. and hope that one day to win TDF 🇳🇱
Movistar already riding for the team classification.
We need Patrick Lefevre to join Movistar, so we get the most bitterly spiteful team in history.
That would be epic!
It's a vendetta...Movistar apparently did the same thing to Carapaz at last years Vuelta, preventing him from taking the overall GC lead on the final mountain stage and saving Roglic from yet another devastating last minute collapse in the process...On The Move podcast yesterday Johan Bruneel said that the reason for the vendetta is that Carapaz was telling Movistar that he was going to resign with them even after he had already secretly signed with IG!
Agree 1000%. Carapaz alone should have won La Vuelta last year. Thanks to Movistar Roglic took the race.
Last year, i believed Movistar when they said that it was a tactical decision. This time, i think its clear that there is something going on...
this the level of petty I aspire to but actually the polar opposite of that
This was an amazing stage
@Lantern Rouge, can you stream TdF so I have an exciting chat with some of your viewers? Is something like that possible?
LR live chats the last ~ 30 mins of each stage on discord - you get access if you join channel memberships
Carapaz treasoned Movistar, went to race in some ramdom criteriums in September -for money- without permission, and then signed with Ineos, again with Movistar not knowing a word of it. Movistar hoped Carapaz would be their leader for the next years. Thus, the revenge, first in La Vuelta the last day, and now here. Not the first time we see this kind of movements in cycling, remember Armstrong.
what happened to nibali? did he just blow up? was in the top 10 after yesterdays stage and lost over 20 minutes today
You just need to watch the Netflix Movistar docs to understand. It’s an amateur team full of disfunctional stars with unchecked egos. The smart move was for all teams to sit up to force Pogacar to chase all the way.
This was like a 1 day race within the Tour de France.
Darse de baja en una compañía telefónica nunca ha sido fácil, al menos en España 🤷♂️
Movistar chased because of the earlier beef between Carapaz and the Movistar team during previous contract talks. Stef Clement talked about it during broadcast
7:08 you missed Buchmann 😂 but the question is would he even be able to pace effectively in the flat
I'm still so pissed at how this stage ended. If Van Aert had taken 2 minutes more (or even 1.5 minutes more), he would have not attacked yesterday and perhaps ended the stage with Uran and Carapaz, taken the yellow and would have ridden to defend it today on a not so steep mountain. He would be very close to pogacar right now, perhaps still in yellow, with 5 minutes or more on the other podium contenders with a TT to come but instead he's given up.
I think that the reason is that he signed with inose without the knowledge of moviestar manager, and when he asked him, he did not say anything, they expected him to be the leader of Movistar in La Vuelta 2019
i dont like Carapaz for what he did and how he left Movistar. But it fits the mentality of Ineos. Nice job Movistar
Even Johan Bruyneel couldn’t understand why they chased. If the best director ever can’t, nobody can
Don't attribute to malice what could very well be incompetence
@@Justnothankyou132 ?
Makes for a better season 3
Can someone explain to me why it is a poor decision for Movistar to chase Carapaz when they're on separate teams? New to watching cycling as a sport so sorry if this is a basica question.
I do not care about motivation of Movistar. Cycling is also about the emotions and this year we are having a lot of them..and I want more.
I don't recall Phil Liggett doing this type of analysis and commentary. You are guys are better than Phil by a mile.
Phil does it live which is infinitely harder than doing it after the fact.
@@johnladd8958 You are right.
maybe they needed some camera time. if you cannot win anything else, then the goal must be sponsor exposure. if that is the real strategy, then it makes sense when they started pulling. it was the final decisive moments of the stage when everyone would be watching.
Movistar are very entertaining but tactically an embarrassment!! Please keep it up, I do enjoy it!! Biggest trolls in the peloton but it does them no favours.
I don't think that Movistar was chasing out of malice. It's just too ridiculous. I think they lack all creativity in team tactics and the only thing they can come up with is "pace on the front", even when that doesn't make sense. You showed the moment perfectly where Movistar had the opportunity to get away with four Ineos riders in their wheel.
I just thought of something though. If I were Ineos in that picture, I would try to let the wheel go and let 4 Movistar riders up the road.
Cortina said after the stage that the team didn't make him stop, he was cooked and saw his team working at the front and tryed to help them as much as he could, but yeah, Mas could just try to jump with Carapaz and try to make a gap with pogačar and Roglič
i wander why Peter Sagan not always in the top 10 😕
Movistar really want to cement themselves as the worst world tour team of all time lmaooo
Movistar need more than gift wrapped opportunities to try something tactically sensible
Had any team had the numbers Movistar had, they would have ridden to limit their loses to Carapaz. Even though, yes, the other leaders were isolated, there would have to be at least a decent climb to attack, as well as have guts and good legs. GC racing does not happen on flat terrain as they cancel each other out so quickly. Rigo was isolated because EF had ridden Higuita and Powless. So Movistar, just like BEX did on stage 20 of the Giro by riding Chris Juul-Jensen, were just riding their race, it just so happens to be that they had too much firepower that it came out looking bad.
You know your stuff, I'll give you that.
Moviestar is still pissed Carapaz left the team... He'll never win a stage if they can help it... lol
Preparing content for an episode of the Netflix series
Last year I was skeptical, but today was just wierd, it's like they consider Carapaz the main rival for Mas, but I don't think Mas is on that level. Anyway, they have a scuse, so the mistery remains.
Plain and simple, it was payback to Carapaz for breaking contract. If I'm not mistaken this is not first time Movistar team/directors has done this type of thing.
Carapaz had already signed with Ineos when he told Movistar he would stay with them for the following season. Movistar has gotta be dirty with him for that.
Its part of racing.to chase because it is always the way it is.then why you put an interpretation.
Movistar were pacing so they would get more views on netflix - only reason
I don't think Movistar is that unprofessional. They weren't riding after Carapaz, because he left, but because of their goals for this Tour. I don't understand why they have these goals though.
That dude signed a contract and told i will ride with you next year… So don‘t do that…
It's hard to believe a pro cycling team would base it's tactics on revenge & petty score settling but... Johan Bruyneel said recently that Carapaz told Movistar he wasn't leaving the team when he had already signed for Ineos. Things aren't always so black & white but If this is true, then sadly Carapaz may have pasted a big target on his back. I hope the sport of cycling is better than this.
100 percent because he left to inneos after signing with Kovistar
That’s just what Movistar does. Why ride to win when you can ride not to lose too much
I think Movistar don't like carapaz
End of the day Movistar can do what they want if they want to continue the Beef with Carapaz and his agent. but this is affecting there own performance, just means Pogacar has a few more team members
I think they would prefer that mas didn’t lose time and because it was Richard they just don’t like him
And isn't it that Movistar is after the team qualification? Could this be the reason? They have no chance in the main categories and if I recollect correctly they pride themselves on winning the team qualification.
Movistar were trying to drop Quintana and Froome.
Because Movistar held a grudge against him after he left the team. Movistar was giving him low salary. He was offered higher from other teams the reason he left Movistar. The movistar coach even called him traitor and disgrace and doesn't even want to mention his name. Just saw it in Netflix. "The least expected day" team movistar.
No that's not the truth. They explain more details in S2. Carapaz committed with Ineos before he won the Giro. His agent wasn't truthful about it, making it seem like Carapaz was interested in staying at Movistar/willing to negotiate a new contract. Movistar was willing to drop Landa to keep Carapaz, which is what they did. I heard rumors that Movistar found out the accidently from Ineos, not from Carapaz or his agent. That's some shady game-playing.
Movistar just didn't want Carapaz to gain too much time on Mas, that's all. Easy one. I don't understand why a lot of you guys, didn't see that.
@Stefan Bà and at the same time they dragged Pogacar to the finish with fresh legs. Instead, they should have put pressure on Pogacar to pull back Carapaz. These dudes get paid to make pro decisions and amateur ones.
They stole the la vuelta from him too …
Time to interview Some one who knows. Cycling commentator Gregor Brown is working the race and has a lot of inside contacts and knowledge.
Is he with Velonews now? Looked for his channel and he has 52 subs and no Tour coverage.
@@charliedillon1400 He is with flow bikes last year maybe this year and has covered the pro racing since I've been following it seriously the last 4 years. 6.45K subscribers.
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Carapaz betrayed Movistar after he promised he would stay if they would win the Giro. Movistar does not have a rider that can win the Tour for now, so they should forget about him!
What if no other teams want Ineos to have at a GC leader at front of race, as they are too strong a team and they could close the race down, game over
If Moviestar is utilizing their team and all that goes with that in terms of tikme, $, and resources just to spite Carpapaz, then they have absolutely lost their minds. And as poor as some race tactics are sometimes within certain teams, I highly doubt that this could have been more than a happy coincidence for anyone within the organization that has anything against Carapaz. They were just playing their best tactic as they saw it in the moment. I really do not think the main goal was to wreck someone else's chances. It was just an unhappy coincidence for Carapaz. But from a tactical standpoint, I do not think it is something that Ineos could have predicted Moviestar would choose to do when sending Carapaz in the move.
Why wouldn't Movistar chase. What is the point of then being there then. Just to make up the numbers?
One word: "Grudge".
How often do Ineos/Sky put their entire team at the front to pull in a one day race, and then get 0 riders in the top 10? How often does Movistar pull at the front in the Tour and only manage to fatigue their own captain. It is just what they do.....The brainless top of the cycling world.
I was thinking that if Movistar were chasing Carapaz just out of spite it was a really bad way to ruin the race and their image as a team. But this video makes me think they just had questionable tactics and maybe consider him a close rival to Mas. I hope so because we want to see a race run properly and what happened at the Vuelta was not good for cycling. Keep the beef off the road please.
Don't forget EF was also put a guy on the front to chase first. So Movistar wasn't the only team who chased. After EF there's no other team with numbers to chase. It might wrong in our eyes, but with 5 people on their team, should they just hang back then while Carapaz has run away in the front? Mas was top 5 last year with a similar situation. (he didn't look good). You can't say..well, people in front of Mas are riding nicely behind Mas. Yeah, because they don't have teammates to chase, Movistar does. If that means they are helping other GC, they had no choice, unfortunately. It's a balance. Do you want to let Carapaz put time on your leader or give a chance to your leader not to lose time to other leaders? Yeah, the downside is you are riding for your rivals. Saying that Mas isn't a good climber, his ITT is bad.. that's not a relevant argument. You have to look at it from Movistar's perspective. No team will say... oh my leader sucks, so we will just let someone like Carapaz runs away. It's a 3 weeks race, you never know. He managed to be top 5 last year and top 5 Vuelta. With Roglic and Thomas out, there's a possibility he could go higher. The way I see it aside from Pogacar, everyone in GC right now is pretty even.
They were dramatic for the Netflix doc
Because Carapaz is a direct threat to Enric Mas who is the Movistar leader. Don’t understand what the big mystery is.
Because Carapaz signed with Ineos but told Movi Star he's coming back!!! Movi star might not win GC..But they're not goin to let zcarapaz win it!!!! LOL
Movistar do a lot of thinking and get the wrong answer quite often. Put it down to the DS is not the greatest tactical thinker. Lots of sports have that problem with a decision maker.
Maybe they hoped to isolate Pogacar ?
impossible
Movistar mngmt makes poor choices for their own team and they chase down Carapaz all the time - 2x so far this tour and earlier at the giro. I assume it’s a bunch of cartoon villains running that team.