George RR Martin was Unhappy with Game of Thrones' Final Three Seasons
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- Опубліковано 6 гру 2021
- A Song of Ice and Fire Author George R. R. Martin thought that Game Of Thrones showrunners David Benioff and D.B. Weiss didn't follow his story outline.
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So George wanted more seasons with 10 episodes, HBO wanted more seasons with 10 episodes, the audience wanted more seasons with 10 episodes but Dumb and Dumber were like: nah we're tired of being involved with one of the most popular tv shows ever, let's just cut every corner possible and rush through the last 3 seasons. WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK?! And the irony is, they also wanted to move on to different projects yet they haven't done anything since GoT.
I don’t get it either. The Long Night could have very well been an entire season long, or at least a few episodes. Nope, just one night where tons of characters are put in peril, but are seemingly fine in the next scene.
@@timothybrown5999 exactly! And although Arya is my favorite GoT character I still hate that it was her who defeated the night king and not Jon and/or Bran.
@@ItachiUchiha-ut6xj not to mention Bran not warging into anything or Arya using her faceless man training. You know, the main arcs of their stories. So uncreative and uninspired. Why couldn’t they just take a step back, continue to produce the shows and let HBO and GRRM take the lead?! We will still have a great show to look forward to. Oh, and Bran’s the key to everything so let’s just have one guy protect him, not a whole squad, so dumb!
@@ItachiUchiha-ut6xj Arya was one of my favourites in early seasons too, but they ruined her story in season 6 and it never got better.
Yet, I don’t understand why they get the blame. Did they own the rights to the show? Was it not legally possible for HBO to simply tell them that there would be at least ten seasons, and that if they did not want to do it, HBO would find someone who did?
Like anyone with a brain would, George... We're all still in pain
I'm unhappy with the fact that George is doing everything under the sun EXCEPT working on ASOIAF. I'm unhappy with the fact that it's been ELEVEN YEARS since ADWD and TWoW is still nowhere near finished. I'm further unhappy with the fact that we will never get the last two books.
@@CheerfullyCynical829 Your name is misleading... I see nothing cheerful in this comment 😅 But in all seriousness, last year George said he works on the book "every single day."
I don't know if we will see the last book though. 'A *dream* of spring' sounds eerily foreboding. But who knows, maybe we will get them both and we are just being impatient. God is good and may let George live to finish his epic series.
Real pain
Georges discontent with the show gives me hope he’ll have motivation to complete the books
Hopefully
Cope or hope
11 years dude
Heck... he probably lost his interest in the story because of the show
Will he finish them before we all die of COVID though?
Wouldn't it be a shame if 2 childish and shitty unexperienced writers ruin such a beautifully detailed and incredibly epic story because they were "tired" and wanted to write other things?
@@nirmithra1 Plus they got kicked off Star Wars project anyway partially due to their reputation tanking after GoT. Karma, I guess.
@@queensinthesky They didn’t get kicked from Star Wars. They turned down Star Wars because they got a better deal from Netflix
What a way to disrespect the guy that put his trust in you and shit all over the show that made you. Arrogant pricks, didn't deserve a single award they won. Genuinely think the show was good despite them, you could've made almost any chapter of the book into a scene and it wouldve been good thanks to George. This imbeciles, annoys me that they've become filthy rich and got a Netflix show on the back of this. Don't deserve jack shit
So basically GRRM? He's clearly lost the passion for the books and is more interested in other projects. The only difference between them and him is that he's not going to finish at all.
@@Ravencrest172 And they didn't rush for Star Wars either. The end of the show was announced 2 years prior to the SW deal.
"Only had material up to season 6" bullshit, they massively shortened the story, they could've turned ADWD into atleast 2 seasons, but they refused.
Season 5 could've been a feast for crows then Dance of Dragons a season. Then what would be winds and dream to be 2 each
@@johnathankorkie4984 That would have been impossible since Feast and Dance are separated geographically and not narratively. If they did that, characters like Tyrion, Jon and Daenerys would have been absent for the entirety of season 5 which absolutely cannot work for a TV show. Even in the books this was a stupid decision and likely caused George to lose control of his narrative, hence the ridiculously long wait for book 6.
But they could have done the narratives together. That’s how I read those two books. There are combined reading orders online they could have used. I’m not sure they even read all the books.
Their was enough material to get get near the 10 seasons George wanted honestly seasons could have been expanded with war for the north being a three way fight if they added book characters like alyssane mormont (i think thats her name) as the father of her children are unknown and a theory is the father is Benjen Stark. Alot more could have been taken from the book like Eyron Greyjoys attack on the shield islands in the Reach or maybe in the show have had him attack the Arbor and destroy the Reach's Naval power. The one thing that could have actually been a really good part of the story would have been Young Griff and Jon Connington attacking the Stormlands with the Golden Company.
Anyway it was sad to see how Game of Thrones ended as it could have been so much more.
@@HuntingViolets A Feast With Dragons combined reading is the way to go. That alone is worth 4 seasons. Aegon, Whiteharbour, Dorne, Alayne Stone plot and Brienne’s quest would have provided plenty of content and that’s not even including Stannis touring the north for support and Cercei’s descent into mad paranoia.
It's a fantastic show, arguably one of the best of all time, up until the end of Season 4. Then the quality dips SHARPLY.
Season 5 was good aswell
@@Tedfranss00 the Dorne sub plot was a sign of things to come.
What about s6 and s5
@@Dividedby-gg3ts mediocre
@@santiagorincon92 mediocre! S6 Winds of winter Bastard battle ITS PREFECT
How could he not be? I'd be livid if I were him. The dialog and plot turned into pure garbage. I'm not even sure what the entire point of most of the characters were now. How did Arya never use her faces again? Why was Jon's lineage even brought up? Just to antagonize Daenerys? Is Bran secretly the villain? That's sure what it seems like. 🤨
Don't be so harsh... I guess they "just kinda forgot" what the point of all of these formerly great characters was. Happens to the best of us. Who of us hasn't massively fucked up one of the most beloved series of all time out of sheer laziness and arrogance?
@@Madeleine_des_Esseintes If he ever finishes the books, we'll see how much they actually screwed up. It's probably far worse than we imagine.
@@Gwenhwyfar7 “IF”
@@Madeleine_des_Esseintes 😂
@@Gwenhwyfar7 I'm sure we'll get winds of winter. A dream of spring, will always be just a dream...
When the writing went from clearly thought out and introspective to “u waant a gud girl, but u need tha bad poossí” everyone knew it was going downhill.
The writing is bad but I loove the bad poosie girl lol
😂😂😂😂😂
I had no knowledge of GOT going in. Never read the books or heard anyone talking about it. I started from season 1. At that time, there were already 5 other seasons out. I binged watched it with my wife.
At the beginning of watching we were highly involved in.the show. But at some point around season 5 or 6.I did notice a drop in quality but by season 7 it was clear the show was different.
The world had gotten smaller and no one could die. It felt pretty much like all the other shows on TV. I told my wife at that time the show had gotten too mainstream and was offering up fan service now. I had no idea they were running out of material. I just knew something was wrong.
They weren't "running out of material" they cut huge portions of the book out. Lack of source material wasn't the problem
@@kevinbeck8836When you cut parts of written work from a book out and only use the parts you like the best to progess the TV storyline, it is called running out of material. It is called that, because their are more parts of the book that can be use but instead of using them you skipover them and they cant be used anymore so you run out of usable content. You can run out of material that way, or you can shorten/burn through storylines and run out of material that way.
@@worldwarz9317 well, if that's how you define running out of material, they chose to run out of material. That almost makes it worse, honestly.
@@kevinbeck8836you are right though... I know what you wanted to say. Its like taking 5 chapters of a book, and cutting it up to fit a 40 min episode when it was enough story in those 5 chapters for a an entire season or two. Regardless I hope House of dragons turns out good for everyones sake. 😎
Cutting out material was necessary because books and tv have different timing plus in the books there are much darker and/or unnecessary aspects that objectively cannot be brought into tv (nothing shocking but still not tv material).
I wouldn't like to watch a show that is 100% the same as the books, it would frankly be tedious and boring (that's why we still have both books and tv).
Having said that, if it's true that they had a template to finish the show, they weren't out of material, they were out of commitment.
THANK YOU.
I see too many people only mentioning season 8 when it comes to the downfall of Game of Thrones. Season 8 is just the pinnacle of it.
So true. To me I saw the cracks as early as season 5.
@@sydnitheromantictaylor112 Facts. As soon as GRRM left, things started going downhill
@@sydnitheromantictaylor112 I saw cracks ever since the beginning: Talisa's backstory makes so sense and she's meant to be a plucky girl audience insert that causes Robb to abandon common sense compared to the books where he's semi-reasonable, Arya instead hates other girls for being girly instead of being respectful but not wanting to be a lady like her sister, Catelyn is overly sympathized that it gets rid of her nuances, Tyrion is whitewashed (morally of course), Daenerys is made violent and has the plot bend around her, Sansa's fucked either way because the redeemable parts of her, in the beginning, can't be shown as it's all in her thoughts, Stannis is over Villainized, Jon Snow is over Heroized, Cersei is overly sympathetic, and Brienne is made into a dumb brute who likes killing because apparently, that's a strong woman. These are mainly BEFORE season 5.
👏👏👏 exactly
Exactly. What Dumb & Dumber did to the Sandsnakes was the beginning of the end.
The best advice I’ve ever heard as an author is, “write your series as though D&D get to finish it if you don’t”. I wonder if he’s heard that?
Benioff and Weiss were given a chance to remain in history, along with Martin ofc, but instead they threw it away to go do other stuff, that they didn't even do in the end, and became a joke.
Season 5 was enjoyable but, if you've read the books, that's the moment the show dies. In books 4 and 5, George completely opens up the world of ASOIAF to show that it's so much bigger than a simple civil war between different families. The show does the opposite, condensing two massive books into one lazy season that takes away some of the best moments from the whole series (Davos' storyline, Dorne, proper Euron Greyjoy, most of Brienne's quest, Zombie Lady Catelyn, etc.).
Yeah, Dorne and Euron were some of my biggest disappointments. When watching Season 5, I thought that Dorne seemed to be this meaningless subplot that almost felt like a side quest in a video game. Then I read the books and realized it's an extremely important piece of the greater story. And don't even get me started on Euron. Every moment he has in the books made him one of the most interesting and threatening characters in the whole series, and then on the show he just wanted to "fuck the queen".
That is probably why he can’t finish the series. Opened too much storylines.
@@myaccount4699 That's fair but also it was the whole reason he started the books in the first place. He didn't like the time and budget restrictions he had on television so he started a series that could be as big as his imagination.
Brienne was boring af
@@saurabhkanhere7033 You think so? I mean if that's your experience I can't argue with it but I do think those chapters are extremely well-written and clever. Also they have cool twists and action. Brienne's backstory is interesting. Her relationship with Pod is sweet. Her fighting and killing the remainders of The Brave Companions is cool. Also her being attacked by Biter at the end is crazy. Septon Meribald's speech is great. Again, your position is totally valid but that ws not my experience at all.
I just finished Game of thrones first time in life... 30 minutes ago.. and seeing this channel's video
What did you think?
I’m so sorry you had to endure that ending
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Imagine watching it over 10 years for it to completely take a shit
I can rewatch season 1 over and over again it's just that good. I never want to watch that last season
S4>S1>S3>S2>S5>S6>S8>S7
@@thefoochie2118 8 is worse than 7 imo.
@@slenderfoxx3797 I disagree but at least we both agree they’re both bad
@@thefoochie2118 haha yes that's for sure
I think the only character that had an arc that kind of made sense up until season 6/7 was Sansa's. The rest was A MESS.
My friend - who read the books - was SO mad with the last season because she followed from the beginning. I just binged it in a month and was MAD. Can't even think about day1 and book fans.
It wasn't even 8 seasons, it was 7 and an extra 3 episodes.
Yup. And I distinctly remember when they announced that the last season would only be 6 that they would be 2 hour episodes. I think we got 1 or 2 80 minutes episodes and one that was about 70 minutes but the rest were regular length episodes.
@@crazygemini82 the first 2 episodes of season 8 were fillers and pointless.
@@crazygemini82 They were talking about 2 hours long episodes and noone is talking about this great lie. The first two episodes were 52 minutes xd
@@crazygemini82 There were no announcements that episodes would be 2 hours long, only the usual choir of dimwits fantasising it.
@@michaelmcgee2026 I'm just gonna stop you right there. As expected with things like this, people start going off the rails. Brienne's knighting is still one of the most satisfying scenes of the entire show.
Pretty rich of George to say that there was enough material for 10 seasons...unwritten material doesn't count my man
But all the stuff they cut from the books counts.
There is SO MUCH material they never eben touched on in the show. Good stuff too, easily as titillating and violent as what we got. Thats what he meant. They could and clearly should have drawn more from the material. They would have had full episodes of content that would have carried them into at least six seasons before they ever would have needed to write anything new.
For some reason, I had gotten in my head that S8 was going to have 8 episodes. While watching S8E6, I was literally thinking "heh, imagine how dumb it would be if the show just ended right here". Little did I know it was indeed the last episode.
Lmao that season was such a mess
@@shoazdon7000 yeah
HBO is the one to blame. They are D&D boss and could have easily replaced them with new showrunners. Well, we can always hope they make a 9th season and course correct some of the mistakes of previous ones. I mean, if Dexter got another season to do that, why can't GOT?
You can’t fix the show without undoing the last 3 seasons.
And how do you fix... that? Maybe Bran wakes up and realizes it was all just a "green dream", but other people tell him it couldn't have been prophetic, because it didn't make any sense.
Maybe it turns out the last three seasons were fanfiction writings by Sam, because he was bored in Old Town.
@@akmonra I would definitely accept that lol.
That makes a billion of us George
The show died with Tywin. The battles were the only thing to look forward to after that and they even butchered that in season 8.
Seasons 1-4 are clearly the gold standard for this genre and the shows prime.
Seasons 5 and 6 were flawed but still pretty good overall.
seasons 7 and 8 had some really good episodes but it was an inconsistent mess overall and the ending damaged the legacy.
Season 5 was nihilistic cringe.
@@gfilmer7150 come on no it wasn't. Season 6 is actually my second favourite season after season 4. Then it goes downhill from there with 7 and 8.
@@abdullahkuzhan7247 If it’s your favorite Season, good for you. I don’t want to change your opinion. I do however want to lay down my points for why I don’t like it.
@@gfilmer7150 It was not nihilistic cringe, it was FATALISTIC cringe. They saw no purpose in trying to adapt the books..none at all. That is fatalism at its finest.
@@larochejaquelein3680 Point is, it’s not good.
While George has justification for being unhappy with what they did, he could have prevented the problem by getting his books done in a reasonable amount of time. As it is, it would be great if we could all at least see his template, since the chance we will ever know what he had in mind is very small.
you've never written anything remotely close to the scope of ASOIAF so you wouldn't understand that it's just not possible to 'just getting it done.'
@@tonythrowaway3327 I've never been able to get past the first chapter of writing any kind of fiction, so you're right about that. But it's certainly not possible to get any huge project done if you are constantly doing multiple other projects.
@@mpmcassey u know it can kinda be tiring to write the same thing over and over again for more than 20 years
The books were ignored
@@iumz4253 if George had Stephen king's schedule and focus then he could've finished it in time but unfortunately, he does not. But then again Stephen king's workflow is godlike and no one else can compete except Toiken himself.
If they were burning out they should’ve let someone else take the wheel. But nope they took a giant shit on what was a fantastic show in the beginning.
Season's Greetings from my fantasy realm to yours! Thanks for all the great content!
"The first five seasons stuck to George's roadmap"
Barristan Selmy
Dorne
The Iron Islands
Lady Stoneheart
Stannis and Shireen
Tyrion, Jaime, and Tysha
Mance Rayder
Faegon and JonCon
I'm trying to figure out how exactly season 5 stuck to George's roadmap. Or even season 3 for that matter. Balon should have been dead by then and Euron should have taken the Seastone Chair. Moving that to season 6 fucked up so much
Dorne plot totally messed up to push forward character of Ellaria Sand because D&D liked Indira Varma, it had nothing to do with GRRM writing. Barristan Selmy killed off because D&D wanted to prove a point to the actor who argued about his role in the show.. I won't even go into assassination of Stannis.
No, Benioff and Weiss went off GRRM road map much sooner than S06
The series died with Tywin for me, since they ruined Tysha’s story.
Season 5 was a huge mess, season 6 is amazing compared to that.
+ Victorian and Reach
Well gee instead of throwing David and Dan under the bus, maybe you should have finished the current book during that entire decade, George.
Writing is a hard job. Especially when you have a complex story like ASOIAF. I don’t blame him for not finishing but they shouldn’t have rushed the story. If they probably went ahead and went through with the Author’s wishes on 12-13 seasons he probably would’ve finished the books by that time and it can be adapted. Also by taking his advice as well by not leaving things out from his story. They had enough material. By now the show would’ve been entering it’s 11th season. Also it might be taking long because he might be unmotivated from what happened to his story on screen. Just the main point is that you ALWAYS listen to the author. You do what he says and etc. If you think you can’t handle it then don’t do it or hand it to someone else. Their egos though is what stopped them and that’s what backfired. I also heard rumors Winds Of Winter is coming out by 2023. So maybe I’m wrong or not but it’s completely understandable when you think about it.
George has spent 10 years writing a book still unfinished. Even if we do get TWOW in 2023, there is not much hope for the final book. The guy is 73 and not in the best shape, so not only did the show mess up the ending, but those looking for a proper ending in the book might not even get it, unless for some miracle the obese author lives to 100
Its all on GRRM its an adaptation and an adaptation needs source material.
If writing is hard, how come D&D don't get the same excuse in your eyes?
Season 8 ended in Spring of 2019. Even with 13 seasons, that puts us at 2024. It's currently 2021, it's been a decade since book 5 and book 6 isn't coming out any time soon. And then there's book 7 still too.
No, the books wouldn't have been finished by the end of the show.
@@SoDaoudi
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1. He told them the important highlights from the books that are still unfinished at the beginning of the show,
2. They still dropped and changed TONS of stuff from the books that WERE available to them. Look at the Dornish plot. And where's Aegon?
3. No, it's not on the guy writing the source material for the quality of the adaptation. It's on the adapters. Obviously.
D & D were working to make a hit but once it happened, they begged out. Martin did not help by not finishing the books in time. Really, how dies Martin expect 2 TV guys to put out the high quality writing when he cannot do it ahead of the series? With all of Martin's past TV experience how did Martin not realize this would become a problem? D & D were not dedicated in-depth fantasy writers and Martin chose them himself. Not even mentioning the other books and even more TV programs that he has become side-tracked with. Blame everybody else but it is Martin is to blame and under his control. Look deeper into that mirror Mr. Martin.
not really, you can't really blame lack of material when you hack and cut major plotlines to begin with. Young Griff would have added more seasons, but D&D decided to cut him, there's loads of material that got cut that would have extended the show immensely, season 8 itself was at least 2 seasons slammed into each other, later seasons just invented a magic teleporter since apparently travel time doesn't exist anymore, an episode starting in the north and having all our main characters save like 3 being in KL for the very next episode is in itself cutting so much out of the show.
They cut everything because they signed to make a Star Wars trilogy, which was canceled. You know what they say, " a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush." They wanted all and ultimately, ruined one of the greatest TV shows of all time for NOTHING.
starting a show based off a series that is not finished meant it was doomed from the start. DnD were prob under the impression that they last two books of the series would be done by the time they caught up to the books.
No not really. Look at all the fans rewriting the end better than dnd did it. It's possible to have the story come to an overall satisfying conclusion even from season 6 on. Probably not as good as GRRM's ending will be but the pieces were there, they just had to make them fit.
@@abdullahkuzhan7247 CORRECT
bad take
That makes 75 million of us.
We’ll never know until he finishes the books …. and I doubt that’ll ever happen
Patriot was pretty darn amazing! I'm actually excited for Dunk and Egg.
D&D ruined what could have been the greatest television show of all time through their greed and arrogance. This wasn’t just their show, it also belonged to HBO, GRRM, the cast, the crew, and the millions of fans around the world, and they rushed the ending because they wanted to move onto other projects but they didn’t have the integrity to pass GoT over to someone else and let them finish it properly. The fact that they made massive deals with both Netflix and Star Wars at the same time just goes to show how greedy they are, and how they don’t care at all about committing to doing one thing and doing it right. I’m glad Star Wars cancelled their deal with them, and I hope Netflix does too. I hope they never get a job in Hollywood again, I hope they lose every penny they made from GoT, and I hope one day HBO remakes the entire ASOIAF series, with competent show runners who are committed to seeing the show through correctly from start to finish.
It wasn’t just the writers, the actors were getting tired also. Executives like George like to shit on the production staff but they’re the ones actually making the thing so doesn’t surprise me they were burned out. GoT was a hard show to produce. Anyways, maybe if George had finished the damn books this would’ve been avoided but no he didn’t finish shit and is blaming production for his woes.
Exactly
The moment the quality dropped: Tywin Lannister's death. Excellence up to that point; the season ended and the world waited impatiently for the next season, unaware that Dave and Dan had begun driving blindfolded.
Honestly the final 4 seasons were all bad, not just the last 3. Season 5 was absolutely awful in my opinion, that’s when I knew things were going downhill. I mean, the whole Dorne plot was cringe-worthy. They skewed and ruined the Meereen plot. The King’s Landing plot was watered down. The list of screw-ups goes on and on...
I agree seasons 5 through 8 were trash, I thought season 5 was boring as hell, seasons 5 and 6 were hit and miss. But the last 2 seasons were complete trash.
I actually think season 6 was an improvement on 5.
@@BeatleFloydZeppelin season 6 had a lot of issues, but I will agree- it was better than season 5.
@@cmike.skywalker Season 6 was even worse than season 5 overall it’s just that it’s highs were really high.
@@BeatleFloydZeppelin I'll agree on a technical level.
Goddamnit, season 8 still gives me PTSD till now! NOW!
Me after reading the title:
"Sure, and the grass is green."
Bro, where are any of your videos
There was a fatal flaw baked into the narrative from the outset: were the White Walkers the main threat, or was the factional infighting the main theme? The show went with the Iron Throne and dispatched the White Walkers in such a way as to make all that came before an irrelevance. The entire Night King plot pissed me off more than anything. So much was left unanswered, and having Arya do the deed instead of Jon made zero sense. I can't revisit this world knowing how cruddy the pay-off is compared to the time invested. That's a shame because the first three seasons were amazing.
I think the point of the story is that the White Walkers were the main threat, and the factional infighting was a distraction. It’s a criticism of human nature, the factions ignored the real threat in favor of infighting because they were more concerned with gaining power for themselves.
I was rooting for the night king honestly, because they just ignored all the warnings to play their little game, plus the people left to rule are assholes except Jon but it was too obvious. So you could imagine how pissed I was with the night king ending.
Yes! We are also getting Dunk and Egg, Sea Snake, and 10000 Ships!
What happened to all your other videos?
Season 6 was great imo. The Door was one of the highlights of the entire show.
So does this mean we get a redo? I’m on board with that
Just started reading the books again and hope to finish them before the prequal coming out, I made it up to Feast before but got burned out and had a massive break so decided to start from scratch. Just reading through AGoT again and there are so many cool moments that would have been great if they made it to TV but regardless, S1 of the show was pretty good anyway.
Oh man aegon, why did you remove your videos?
The way they ended the white walker situation will go down as one of if not the biggest disgrace in cinema history. The single LARGEST threat to westeros, so much so that Aegon started preparing for and educating his family on the prophecy several hundred yrs in advance, gets no further south than Winterfell and is destroyed in a blurry half hr battle by a teenaged Stark halfway through the season
in other news: water is wet.
He wasn't the only person.
George RR Martin: I wanted more seasons with ten episodes each, but they rushed the ending and it sucks
Also George RR Martin: Quit yelling at me to finish my own series
People who haven't read the books don't know what they're talking about. Sorry not sorry
What happened to ur other videos
Best way to explain the series imagine you are doing a ten page report for school/collage whatever. You have all semester to do it from day one you take your time and do proper research for it making sure that each page is A+ material however when you get close to the final pages you decide that you are done with it and become lazy and just rush it just so you complete it even though you still have plenty of time to get it done.
why did all of your videos go private?
Where are your videos?
can we just get a roberts rebellion prequel, that would be amazing
Him and I both
I always felt (with the story the show told) that if the last 2 seasons were full seasons (an extra 7 episodes) things would have been better paced and more fleshed out. I also think that if Danny had seized king's landing prior to the battle with the dead, it would have been a more interesting narrative if a fragile alliance were to be maintained in order to defeat the night king and then the sudden plot to kill Danny after, would have felt more neutral of a backstab (both ways) rather than just from Danny.
That's how I always imagined it would go, and you would have to plan the Long Night very well, and make the Prince that was promised play out really smart, since a dragonrider would be absolutely needed to defeat the Night King (fuck that Arya bs, although I always have and always will like her character) since the dragonrider would have to unite all of Westeros. And that just has to be Jon, he has to lead the final battle with his heritage, something that is central to his character, and come on top as deserving after all, which is supposed to be his arc. And I think Winterfell has to fall in battle, since they can't reach a consensus fast enough in all Westeros, and this pushes Jon to follow his fate, maybe still giving it up when it's all over. This could all be achieved without changing much to how they originally did it, just add more seasons, add more story intricacy and depth, make it a great sturggle with a lot of sacrafices to reach these ultimate goals. Break our goddamn hearts 😆
Of course he wasn't happy with the end, it's trash.
The show may have had material up to season 6, but they actually surpassed some book stuff in season 5.
Season 5 is an obvious indication of how bad 6-8 were going to be in hindsight.
As was millions of fans
Well one thing which was most absurd in the show that why would Dannerys burn the kings landing as she was a character who even locked up her dragons so that they don’t kill anybody and how they made Sansa queen in the north as she was a despicable character at the end not trusting Jon fully or accepting the fact that it was Daenerys who actually helped north and still didn’t accept her as queen and plotted against her and what was the purpose of JON in whole series if he wasn’t the one to kill night king🫤
to think that it was easy all the had to do
just stick to George's true vision and stay faithful to it
only way they would've a true masterpiece of a series despite all
He is why I am watching hotd. His project. He's in control.
Well, it takes Martin 10+ years to write one (maybe two) book(s) so I can see why the HBO Series writers wanted to move on to something else.
Yeah but they ignored so much of the books they already had ffs. D&D didn't run out of material, they were just lazy ungrateful shitheels who canceled the largest show on television so they could get a job at disney(which they immediately quit).
Well, i guess he should have finished his books so the show runners would have better known what to do.
Um, where is all the other content on this channel? All the lectures from GRRM himself?
The last two seasons were such a shame. I feel so bad for the cast and crew. They killed themselves to give us a great show and D&D ruined it.
RIP Daenerys Targaryen's Character Arc... "I will not be Queen of the the Ashes" 😭You really weren't
It is possible they were not that motivated because of the books not being available. I mean here we are two and a half years later with still no TWOW. There’s only so much they could go on, going forward. Slowing it down by a year wouldn’t have gave us the next book!
The sheer number of people commenting this while seemingly having never read the books is astounding. So many characters, so much incredible material that would have kept the show going until AT LEAST 2025 without a new book. People who haven't read the books don't know what they're talking about. Sorry not sorry
13 seasons of Game of thrones?? My god...what we could of had.
First thought: different actors. No actor would have stayed for 13 seasons.
@@walkerst8785 that's not true, walking dead has almost been 13 seasons and there are plenty of characters from that first season still alive
Could’ve, short for “could have”, used when speaking in the past perfect tense
@@anotherhappylanding4746 Two are plenty? Only Carol and Daryl are still Ali e and in the show.
wow what happended to this channel? tons of interview content just vanished. copyright issues amirite?
What a surprise.
What was the worst decision they made in your opinion? Personally I think it was Aria killing the Night King but Brand becoming king was awful too!
Well even though his templates and outlines weren't really followed by d&D it's also his own fault wanting to start a tv series when his books aren't finished.
And you can clearly tell by earlier interviews that G.R.R.Martin didn't anticipate to take so much time for the last book
Except for the fact that it's not actually the last book... it's the second to last.
@@jamisonwonch4715 Oh, it will be the last book, even if that wasn't the original intention. In the best case scenario.
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No, it won't. It would have to be such a large book that it'd need to be split in 2 anyway. There's no way he can wrap it up in just one book and not ruin it like the show did.
@@Richard_Nickerson That's the thing, he won't wraped it up...
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You're illiterate, what does it matter to you?
First 4 seasons were incredible season 5 was okay and then it was just a downhill spiral
Join the crowd… season 6 was pretty good but I could tell something changed. 7 and 8 were horrible absolutely horrible although new watchers who don’t have to wait years for the new seasons may not be as harsh.
I know adapting requires certain things to be changed, but there’s no reason these writers should’ve cut and simplified so many storylines. Dany and Tyrion’s stories are rather underwhelming in GOT, whereas the opposite is true of ASOIAF.
The removal of Aegon "Young Griff" and Jon Connington, the rushed downfall of Stannis and the simplification of The Northern Story, Euron Greyjoy being a literal cartoon character, etc.
@@gfilmer7150 The Griff and Connington part is one of the most interesting things off ADWD as well as Lady Stoneheart off AFFC. And they cut both elements off 🤦🏻♂️
@@BTBAM819 The Aegon story is so engaging, considering where he is at the end of ADWD and the mystery of who he is.
@@gfilmer7150 totally. AFFC and ADWD may be slow but they have such good characters and storylines. I want to know what the fuck's up with that last Jamie and Brienne bit in Dance
@@BTBAM819 Those two books are my favorites.
That just proves that as the author you should have a clause to sue the entire network when the key creative decisions are not going your way.
Perhaps if more source material were written then the directors wouldn't have taken such liberties.
Lol read up a little bit on D&D and see if you still think a lack of source material was their problem. Btw funny story but they were hired as creatives for Netflix @>100M contract. Their grand contribution so far is an alternate history show where slavery was never abolished(hmmmmmmmmmm). I really can't imagine why Netflix hasn't greenlit any of their projects 🤔
I will return 🔥🔥💥🐲👸🐉🐉🔥
Season 6 still my favorite though
The problem is that Martin also don't seem to be in a hurry to finish his series and by not doing so, it will be forever remembered by the shitty ending on the show.
Go read the books and you'll see just how much incredible material they put on the chopping block so they could run for the exits while staying the showrunners. Greedy twats
I feel like what was in the last couple seasons could have actually worked on a writing level if we had more time spent on established concepts, I think that’s the issues, it’s not that they are bad ideas, they where just rushed and had no time to breathe.
And here we are, still waiting on Winds of Winter.... smmfh
I’m sure most of us were.
You can tell how the story telling went down after he left in season 4. Dumb and Dumber didn’t know what to do. They definitely had some cool episodes sprinkled throughout, but, the quality dropped so much overall
Funny and ironic that they fucked up the ending so bad that they still havent released anything sincr thr end of GOT
If justice exists, they'll never work again. If they do, it'll be just as good as their previous work 🤢 X-Men Origins:Wolverine🤮
@@kevinbeck8836 It does seem nobody wants to touch them... and rightly so.
Feels like ancient history now but I recall David Benioff and D.B. Weiss bailed on GOT to start their Star Wars trilogy.
George, quit partying and going on tv/ premiers and finish you books.
You know what would be punch on that face of D&D, HBO should hire new writers and remake S8 along with two new seasons - S9 and S19. For the sake of the greatest show on history and for the audiences! Hell, we deserve it!
Literally every one was.
HBO messed it up…and that’s it. The fans were so invested in the show and I was so upset after it ended.
Dan and Dave screwed the Song of Ice and Fire community.
I hope the two D’s are never in charge of any IP ever again
I think If George RR Martin Complete it's Last 2 books 📚 Then There's a Chance that Game of thrones will continue....
But it will take time probably 3-5 years......
George RR Martin Should write more books!
So why didn't HBO change showrunners? Long-running series do that all the time because they recognize that the people making it have lives and haven't promised their immortal souls to one project. Everyone's putting a lot of blame on D&D, but who was responsible for not letting them out when they were getting tired of the series and forcing them to write a finale they were no longer invested in?
I'm not sure if it's true, but there is a claim that there was blackmail involved to let them be showrunners in the first place - they made a (apparently) very bad season one pilot that had to be completely redone with new casting... and HBO didn't want them, but were allegedly blackmailed by Benioff into giving them another chance. I don't know if there could be a similar reason to why they couldn't replace them, but it's a *theory*... to be taken with a fistfull of salt, but still. It's very strange that they didn't replace them, even though Benioff and Weiss didn't want to hand the show off to someone else (cus they allegedly were very possessive of it out of ego)... but why would HBO comply? It's a big hmmm for sure.
@@tonichan89 thats one of the dumbest theories ive heard lol. I dont think benioff would b able to blackmail anyone that matters, when he barely has any pull before the GoT show.
@@ahab8991 His father is Hughesy influential, as he was the chairman of the federal reserve bank of New York and on the board for Goldman Sachs.
@@tonichan89 How in the world could two hacks like Benioff & Wiess blackmail a Monster corporation like HBO???
It is most likely the reverse! HBO probably blackballed them from ever writing or producing ever again! They got fired by Disney before they even got the chance to start the new Starwars trilogy! HBO might of had a hand in that! I don't see anyone ever hiring or taking those two seriously ever again!
I’d say he wanted the show to continue and give him more time to finish the books
Weren't we all
I mean part of the reason this happened is him not finishing the damn books...
All they had to do was follow George's roadmap.