How to PROPERLY use your Multiclock with a DAW.
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- Опубліковано 2 чер 2024
- This just has to be answered, I've heard from tons of people who have it setup incorrectly, or in a way that isn't getting the best benefit from owning a Multiclock! So here it is, how to setup your Multiclock with Ableton, or logic, or any DAW. and how to fix the Multiclock starts 1 bar late issue!
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00:00 The Goal
00:24 Who should NOT buy a Multiclock
01:20 How the Multiclock Works and some notes
02:20 How to setup the Multiclock With Ableton Live
03:56 Audio Interface Routing - IMPORTANT
04:52 My Ableton Live Latency Settings
05:22 The Audio Routing Setup and connecting the Multiclock to our device
05:52 Multiclock starts 1 bar late? Yes, here's why.
06:59 The "Multiclock 1 bar late" fix
07:44 This is where the Magic Happens, delay the WHOLE track
09:51 Measuring latency to dial in our Multiclock
10:36 Dial in Latency on Multiclock the "Pro" way
12:01 Some Final tips and points
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Damn, I guess I rearranged my setup a week too early this video would have saved me some hours of frustration haha. One very important info on the track delay trick that literally took me a whole day to fix: With Ableton you must enable "reduced latency when monitoring" for it to work. Otherwise the multi clock track will not be delayed when recording and monitoring a synth!
This is actually a super important point!! I do remember now that that had messed me up in the past!
Damn mate this is a great explanation. After all these years you’re the only person to show the quirks and nuances of getting this thing set up. 🤟
After years of working in synth shops I have had to explain this so many times. I wish I had this video to send people to years ago.
I feel your pain hahaha! Also trying to convince someone they don’t need it for the setups they explain can be difficult too
@@RickyTinez so many people buy it and then don’t use the audio sync. Defeats the purpose
Dude, there was already a video 8 years ago. ua-cam.com/video/UiX6HI727aw/v-deo.html
Great tip using the offset function. Will be applied, thank you!
I don't own a multiclock but I might soon after this. That was very helpful, I followed every step of the way and that's saying something considering I don't own this gear. Like... Elektron box videos can only truly be appreciated by Elektron owners, otherwise it looks like voodoo.
Dude, how super awesome of you to share this.
Really well made demo Ricky
Useful: thanks as always Ricky ❤
I have been using a Missing Link Junior to sync my modular to Ableton. It lets me use Ableton Link via wifi and sent clock/reset to my modular. It even has latency compensation. It has been such a tremendous improvement to my workflow. Now every clip I record is perfectly on the Ableton grid. I even have the Ableton clock set to 2 bars, so my DFAM always starts on beat 1.
Whoa, no jitter down the line after recording for a bit?
Ableton Link is awesome. I wish every every drum machine or synth that has a sequencer or uses any type of tempo sync supported it. Doesn’t even need to support WiFi, just a Ethernet port would work. You can set your computer up with a local network. One Ethernet cable going to a network switch then to all your hardware. An 8 port network switch is $20 and cheap cablesare around $2 for a 6 footer. That being said, I’ve been using the multiclock for years. 😝
@@RickyTinez It seems to miss a clock, or my system is dropping audio on the PC end occasionally. I haven't looked into it fully yet, because I always forget about it, until I notice a quiet beat in the flow. It's rare.
I passively mult the clock signal out of the Missing Link and all my synths and modular seem to take it just fine. As a bonus, it can be a standalone clock generator even without Ableton open.
That’s a helpful hint! As I tend to use Cubasis on my iPad quite a bit, which supports Ableton Link, this Missing Link Junior box might be worth having a look.
Bang on big up Ricky!
Fantastic advice Ricky. Always looking to get more understanding of my gear. 🎉
Happy to help!
Thank you Brother!!! ❤
Finally got my multiclock after 3 month wait on back order from Thomann. Thank you Ricky!
I love sync videos, awesome!
So well explained! Seems simple, actually very simple yet so confusing and often misunderstood. Can't make it any clearer than a Ricky Tinez "How to". Thank you 🙏
Yea it’s simple but not easy. Hahah! Also just understanding why it’s doing annoying things helps a ton too
Thanks for the video, Ricky! I have a PTSD thinking about all of this :)) It would be lovely to see a video depicting a full workflow where you use multiple hardware devices to record and produce a track (maybe i missed?)
Nice tutorial as always, but I think using in positive mode is a pain in order to recalculating again.. if you add a new plugin on the channel, needs to recalculate again.. I prefer negative mode and add one blank bar to the beginning of the project and always my start is on bar 2. Sorry for my english is not my mother tongue.
Thanks so much!!!!
You're welcome!
Thanks Ricky - just for info, this approach also works well with the Midronome, which I'm guessing isn't as feature-rich as Multiclock but seems to work in a similar way...
What one can do to get around the first samples being late is to start recording but only activate the device or clip that is playing it on a later measure. For instanceI have taken a clip in Ableton and added a few bars of empty space before it and then record it in. Note that this tip is good for just normal recording in Ableton without a MultiClock as well.
If you use a Mac, the brand new Midronome firmware has U-Sync, which is easier to use and more accurate than the ERM. Over USB. No need to use an audio output anymore.
No U Sync for Windows, though. Possibly ever. Sample accurate audio still works the same as on the ERM.
Always GOLD information along with fantastic production - best time of the week!
Thanks for the kind words!
Even though I don’t own or use a multiclock, I found this video interesting on many levels. So, first of all: tanks for your time to record this and share your knowledge and experience, Ricky!
From what I understand, this might help with more recent gear, which is equipped with MIDI, as well as slightly more vintage machines that use, well, DIN sync? Or am I mistaken here?
A somewhat tight audio signal to sync stuff might even allow for, let’s say, a tape machine to be the master clock: record the plugin signal to tape, then feed that channel into the midiclock. (I guess Depeche Mode used a tape machine on stage in their early days to play back the pre-recorded rhythms to their songs. But I am not able to imagine a recent life/stage setup that could make use of a multitrack synced to the tape … But I get carried away, sorry. 😂 - Maybe this would be more suitable for a lo-fi recording setup in a studio using a tape machine then. Anyway …)
This was quite interesting. Great to know that a solution like that is available - and good to have an idea how to make it work. Thanks a lot, Ricky!
Yea that’s totally right! You can even download the “sync sound” and put it into a sampler or something to run the multiclock. And I just covered ONE of the many many ways to use the multiclock.
At the time the ability to take a single midi source and split it and rout it to specific outputs was huge! But now it could be done for much cheaper with other options
@@RickyTinez Thanks a lot! :)
got myself a UAD Volt (which has a midi interface built in) some time ago. comes in handy so I don't have to plug an extra cable to my mac every time I want to use the moog
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Awesome video Ricky! Just got a multiclock last week, but my interface i want to use for live sets only has 4 line out puts (Komplete audio 6) but im using all of those to route audio in to my Octatrack inputs AB & CD, do you have any recommendations for an audio interface with 6 outputs in a similar form factor (i.e not rack mounted or only expandable by ADAT)? I can’t seem to find one! Thanks
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Hello @RickyTinez , have I missed the Logic Pro work around? Or will it come later?
another PRO TIP:
You can set it up all in exactly the same way as you showed BUT but at the very beginning set the 'shift' knob to +50% - This way, all your gear will start with Ableton immediately AND you will also be able to do the negative shift (from +50% to 0%) Sweet sync spot will be at +50% and you can go all the way forward to +100 or all the way back to 0% (depending on what 'shift range' you set in the settings.)
Aaahhhh that is handy! Im always so nervous those big knobs will jump between values haha
Thanks for immediately addressing who needs it and who doesn't. However, i am having a issue with the audio from an external synth being delayed by 40ms when triggered from midi notes in the daw. the midi notes and audio dont have the same starting point when i look at wave file. adjusting offset doesn't help. oddly, theres no delay if i play live while recording midi and audio simultaneously. im coming out of my RME UFX III 5 din midi out to my synth input, no usb midi in. any tools to solve this?
Excellent discussion on an often misunderstood piece of gear. Thanks for sharing! I sold my Multiclock and switched to Bitwig's HW Clock Out device. Ableton's CV Clock Out does the same thing. They work with DC coupled audio interfaces like my Quantum or your RME. Have you compared Ableton's CV clock out to ERM?
Hey, that’s an interesting point! I completely forgot that my RME can do that! I was on focusrite for years, which never gave me that ability 🤔
Hey, this is very interesting. Have you seen good tutorials on this, showing all the connections and settings? I'm personally on the Apollo Twin (apparently it's DC coupled too)
@@arseniharkunou5905 I haven't seen any tutorials, but it's pretty simple. Load the clock device in Ableton or Bitwig, choose your Apollo output, connect to any gear that allows it (you'll probably need a mini plug adapter), set the clock source on your gear. I've used it with my Keystep Pro and Hapax. From those, I can distribute clock to other gear. I use 24 PPQN and then mess with the other settings until I get something I like.
I'm running a TR-8S, Moog Grandmother, Moog DFAM, Boss RC-500 Looper (that I primarily use for guitar and bass loops), and a Behringer XR18 + Behringer XTouch. To keep this stuff in timel, I've been using an Arturia Keystep Pro at the top of the chain and basically running a bunch of thrus 😅... it does the job pretty decently, but def has some hiccups, especially when I kick on the soft-synths in Ableton.
I think this might be just the ticket for my situation!
Yea that’s another point I may have covered ages ago. Using USB sync feels like it changes as the session gets larger and more CPU hungry
Here is a question on a grey area. While you mention that the MultiClock is not needed for straight MIDI recording, what about if you are triggering external synths with sounds that have delays that are synced to the MIDI clock coming in? I am thinking yes it would be good in that situation but not sure. Seems like it would definitely be good though if you were triggering a sequencer on an external hardware synth that needs to line up with what is in the DAW.
Yeah, I’ve messed with this. Also for example using the multiclock to sync my Peak’s delays. But I found it more of a hassle than worth the effort to get a barely noticeable effect right on the money.
It’s pretty good with Zen delay and what not too but most times effects are ok with a bit of jitter I find.
Unless you’re using something like an ottobit JR or microcosm, then that’s where it starts to get super weird ESPECIALLY if it’s a SEND/RETURN from live.
Ricky, I changed the multiclock knobs with the elektron ones and they fit perfectly giving a nicer look :)
If, instead of using the audio input, I used the midi one, would the multiclock perform his best in the same way?
Depends on where the midi is coming from, it’s it’s just USB Midi you might have some more jitter compared to the audio sync. Midi can only send so many packets of information at once and audio can send TONS more which makes it “more accurate” that’s the super watered down version of why audio is better haha
I didn't need to get an ERM multiclock to fix the sync issues that I've always had in Ableton, I just stopped using Ableton. The DAW I'm using now flawlessly syncs and records all my external hardware with my DAW right from the first downbeat of the first bar.
which daw are you using now?
mmm multiclock the handiest thing for joining decades of synthesizers
Interesting video thnx for sharing, i am trying hard and still didn’t get the benefit of the multiclock to be honest 🤔😅 it seems too much work that i would lose the creative moment, in logic i shift the clock till the recording is on the grid and than save it as project/template and it is set and forget , use the retrokits rk06 and in this way things are working.
That’s the great part of the multiclock. If it looks like a pain to use or like you’re not sure what it’ll do for you in the studio then you DEF don’t need it haha
The Expert Sleepers USAMO might do the job for less. An alternative worth considering.
Come on Ricky give us the Digitakt 2 Video we are waiting for. I know you work at Elektron and you don't want to be chill, but stick to your own words: "Share the love! Share the knowledge! Knowledge is power! Peace!"❤❤❤❤
Haha! It’s coming it’s coming. Im actually waiting to buy mine (I have a funky preproduction). Customers first for us :)
I'm in the (don't need one club), mainly because I have zero clue what it is or does.😂
Haha! That’s also another reason to not buy one 😂
My testing showed that a mio10 was just as accurate as a multi-clock. Same jitter, same accuracy.
Wow! I’ll have to check that out too
did ricky go through a glow up or something? maybe its been a while
Dang, this is a bit complicated but Ricky explains it very well. I’ve been eyeballing this unit and the lower model because I have multiple synths and an old as% computer using Reason 10. I love reason and it’s my DAW of choice, but Ableton works better with this setup. I’m still gonna make it work for Reason and eventually get a new computer. I got a bunch of semi vintage instruments that don’t have USB but most of my stuff does. Virus TI, Korg Radias, King Korg, Moogs, Tastychips GR-1 and a Digi-takt/tone. Point is, I think I might be able to just get a new computer and solve my ever going midi issue, but this clock generator might be what I really need. Even with the old computer. It’s a maxed out 2010 mbp and runs pretty darn smoothly besides handling multiple midi to and from the computer.
Good explenation, but I still don’t understand why ableton can’t shift the midi notes in time per hardware synth.
I think it can be done with Ableton “External Instrument” this should be able to compensate for system latency, effects chain latency and hardware latency.
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I think this gear is overcomplicated, usb sync is quite OK these days.
It's all still way too much trouble, even with this €500 utility device. Unfortunately I'll stick to doing everything with one sequencer. Cool vid for the peeps that want to set it up, though!