Was Utah Jazz Pick Kyle Filipowski Groomed by a Mormon Girlfriend, Caitlin Hutchison? | Ep. 1915
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- Опубліковано 1 лип 2024
- Tonight we will be discussing one of the biggest surprises of the 2024 NBA Draft - the fall of Duke forward Kyle Filipowski. Filipowski is a skilled 7-foot big man, two-time All-ACC selection and All-American in 2024. He was projected as a first-round pick by many accounts, but ended up being chosen as the second pick of the second round. Most are blaming Kyle's Mormon girlfriend - Caitlin Hutchison (8 years his senior) - and accusing her of grooming him as an adult while he was a child/teenager.
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I was investigating the Mormon church in 2007 in a “flirt to convert” scenario. A very attractive, returned missionary wanted to marry me and told me that he couldn’t unless I converted to the church. I thought I loved him but I couldn’t understand why I had to convert for us to be together. I was raised in an evangelical family and my parents were secretly petrified that I was going to convert and they were going to loose me. They handled it so well … instead of forbidding me to see him or date him (which would’ve backfired), they encouraged me to research and my dad said let’s research this church together. We got online, purchased books, looked at official and unofficial sources and then discussed them together. I ultimately decided that the evidence against the church was so damning that I couldn’t convert. I told my handsome returned missionary that I’d like to stay with him but could never be Mormon. He said that sadly could not happen. I’m so thankful for this ending!
That's pretty wild. It reminds me of one day when I went to my then-girlfriend's apartment to pick her up for a date when I noticed two young, somewhat attractive female missionaries dressed nice and wearing their nametags standing in the parking lot and looking in my direction. I sat in my car for about 15 minutes to take a work-related phone call and they were still there when I got out of my car. They were both extremely flirtatious and kept asking me if I wanted to meet them somewhere more private to discuss their religion (I am not LDS nor have I ever been). Gave me a creepy sister wives vibe and I got the hell out of there.
@@WillWeaverRVA it is wild! One of my closest friends in college was LDS (hence how I met the above mentioned returned missionary) and she would joke about dating people, getting them “dunked” (aka baptized) so they could get engaged/married. I didn’t know anything about mormon doctrine at the time so I was so confused by this!
Sounds like he dodged a bullet 😂 your approach to dismantle his faith in the dating phase was weird too. Just admit you were hoping he would convert to your faith too…how is that any different than him hoping you would convert to his?
@@sacagawea9743No it is a redflag if you need to force convert someone to marry them. If you are Mormon marry another mormon. I as a evangelical wouldn’t go around trying to use marriage and sex to make someone christian.
@@sacagawea9743she didn’t want to dismantle his faith. She wanted to know if she would join a false religion cult.
She started dating him when he was in high school, which is creepy.
Very.
For a 25 year old, yeah. One or two years, I can see. A 25 year old adult dating a HS kid is kind of sus. (understatement)
Husbands die before their wives on average. I don’t think it’s that weird lol. But she shoulda waited till 18yo.
@@sacagawea9743 What an odd comment to make.
@@sacagawea9743 You're very creepy.
One note about college basketball (recruiting and team culture): families are often very involved. They typically build strong bonds with the head coach and assistant coaches during the recruitment process, and often travel with the team to road games, etc. For the family to be cut off from their son AND the coaches shortly after he arrived at school…and basically replaced by the gf and her family…is very unusual. A coach would not go unresponsive to a player’s family unless the player strongly convinced him not to. There’s definitely a lot more to this story.
I heard that Kyle gave all his tickets to games to Kaitlyn's family. I doubt his family was banned from campus, but they'd have to buy their own tickets. If I was a coach, I wouldn't think it was my place to tell a player he has to give his allocated tickets to his family or that he has to talk to them. But his brother seems to think the legendary coach K would have.
Hard to say. If he's telling the Duke people that he doesn't want his family around, their hands might be tied. It's not really their place to get involved in family relationships too much, is it?
Families at times do have conflict sad to say but true. Yes, families do have conflicts over who a son or daughter dates and that can lead to them not communicating. Have you seen that letter that Kyle wrote to his family. If not how do you know the words in that letter. Anyone can take words and change the meaning or just make up stuff that suits what they are feeling. I also think that if you do leave this subject alone that the son and family will start communicating again but you keep pushing that many never happen. So the best thing I can say is that leave them alone and let the family work out their disagreements.
First round picks get 3-year guaranteed contracts. 2nd round picks don't get any guarantees. That is why he looks so disappointed about when he was selected in the draft.
Any college cannot give out info about their adult student to their parents. If they wanted college personnel to intervene or be a go between, they cannot do that. The student is an adult, not a child.
It’s true, but it is also a horrible place for family members when their university aged adult child is in a potentially dangerous position ( like any sort of abuse) and the University can’t step in unless the student or a witness reaches out to campus police or real police.
@@_Nat_A_ That’s basically how adult life works.
What does one expect from a devotee of Joe Smith?😂
My jaw dropped when she said she’s from NB, Canada! Rarely hear from ppl from our small province. Excited to finish the video!
Love seeing Canadians on here!
Julie makes the “Atlantic Bubble” proud.
honestly, a boyfriend or girlfriend does not need to be Mormon to cut their partners family off. She’s not very Mormon if she’s dressing like that so she could be a ‘pick and choose’ type Mormon.
Mormons aren't as strict about dress before the temple as they used to be. I live in Utah and you can't tell by clothes anymore, except on Sunday, who is and who isn't active. If she's got no tattoos, that's more of a tell these days. But even tattoos aren't frowned on as much as they were.
Females who haven't been through the temple are much more liberal in their clothing choices, often showing shoulders etc these days.
I heard last night on Mormonism Live that as soon as he was accepted at Duke that she got an off campus apartment and he was living with her. Also, she kept him from hanging out with and joining team activities.
Correct
I heard this as well
When I studied World Religions at a secular University, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints was taught in the “ Cult and Sects” course along side Scientology.
Same here when I was at UC/Santa Barbara
All Christian so called churches are cults
Sounds about right XD education is key🎉
They look like siblings ... right up mormonisms alley!
While visiting my mormon mother a year ago I called her a mormon and she got all defensive and huffy and snapped we are not called mormons we are latter day saints and I said then why have you referred to yourself as a mormon for the last 70 years and why are all the mormon books in your house referring to themselves as mormons??? Obviously she had no legible or rational reply. This market research to change their reputation information makes sense of that ( one of many)ridiculous encounter with her.
Mormons are not known for incest…you sound ignorant. Many couples of all races tend to look like their partners. Even mixed race couples. Familiarity breeds attraction, it’s been studied. Look into it.
John, seems like the NBA sees the Kyle and Katelyn relationship as the source of any potential problem, not his mom and brother. They've stayed out of his life for 2 years. They weren't causing any problem.
For the NBA to drop him down so far with all that talent, the problem has to be one they see with his relationship with HER, and whatever comes with her. And like his mom said, you're not going to get the story from him, if he is being coerced and controlled.
I think it would be worth it to read the clips he had about new York's coercive control laws. South Carolina is trying to get laws about coercive control passed because of what recently happened with Mica Miller and her pastor husband controlling her. I have a feeling, that the whole reason they are angry with Duke is because they knew of this reaching a level that is abuse that he was suffering. If Duke coaches knew he was being abused, lied to and coerced in ways that harmed him, and swept it under the rug so the NBA would want him, that would be a reason for his family to blame them. Their reputation is tied to his, i can see where they would hide a problem so they can have an NBA star come from their school.
The NBA would fear if she has undue influence that rises to the level of abuse. If they think she is controlling him in abusive ways and he isn't good at standing up for himself, that could be why they got scared. And the family is thinking why didn't Duke help him, when they knew she had isolated him from them helping him?!
It doesn't seem likely his family are the toxic ones, since they have stayed out of his life for 2 years against their will, until it came out in the news. They might think this is the last chance they have to save him. Not just from the Mormon church, but from this girl and the Mormon church united to control him, taking away his free choice, maybe harming him mentally or even physically.
Some context/counterpoints from the other side:
-This was a very flat draft. Kyle Filipowski wasn't even the Jazz draft pick that slipped the furthest. Isaiah Collier was picked three spots ahead of KF at 29 but was the number one high school recruit in the country last year. He slipped way more than Kyle Filipowski. Cody Williams, the Jazz's 10th pick also slipped in the draft. Yes, KF should have been drafted earlier, but something like this happens every single year.
-The Filipowski family hasn't gotten a single credible news source to pick up their story. People aren't rushing to get the scoop on such a salacious story that's bound to get eyeballs. We should be asking how credible the family is. They make vague accusations, and tell us to do research on grooming, so we're left to speculate the worst. It's entirely possible that this girl is a gold digger, but it's also possible that the family saw Kyle as their meal ticket, and he's being abused on both sides. The mother also got the age of Hutchison wrong. She'll be 27 in September, not 28, KF will be 21 in November. So yeah, there's an age gap, and yeah it's weird, but he's an adult now, and not only an adult, but an adult with one of the best and well respected agents in the country. If he's being manipulate its possible he's being manipulated by a GF, an agent, and his family. We just don't know and no party is being clear enough to come to a conclusion.
-Call me crazy, but Hutchison doesn't come off as the type to groom someone into Mormonism, especially if their relationship has been sexual in nature. She might be a controlling succubus that wants his money, but conflating all that with Mormonism when it doesn't appear she's particularly devout and he hasn't converted, suggests that Mormonism is being dragged into this unjustly. I mean I'm an exmo so there's no love lost, but this seems like a stretch to me.
-One last thing I'd point out is we don't know who instigated this relationship. KF went to Duke, his twin brother went to Harvard. This might be a high pressure family he was looking to escape and she was his out. The age difference could also be explained by the popularization of young men fantasizing about being with older women. Words like Cougar and MILF have entered the vernacular and it's clear KF knows people will stare as he said in his IG post. A few years back a rookie in the league was dating an older porn star, same with Jimmy Garoppolo in the NFL. It's possible this is something KF fetishizes.
I think I'd consider the age difference in the relationship a 'cougar' situation if he was older when it seems to have started. The prom thing makes me not care who instigated the relationship. If she was dating him when he was in high school and she was in her mid-20s, then she instigated it, whether she thinks so or not.
If Mormonism could also give Kyle glowing eyes it might help his basketball-playing. If 37-year-olds can marry 14-year-olds in the LDS Church, then this age difference is nothing.
In the Flds. I feel like in the Lds its more so people marrying at like 18-23. Still very young but not underage
Kyle's girlfriend does not look or act like a Mormon, so if she is Mormon, she is probably a Jack Mormon. I think Kyle's family has gone off the deep end and has caused the separation between them. I think that all of the negative talk regarding Mormons has put them in a tailspin. I don't think they would approve of Caitlin even if she was not Mormon, because of her age. She is a beautiful woman and he is a handsome guy, and apparently, they are in love with each other. If the family truly wanted a relationship with Kyle, they would not be the one's trying to control him and trying to separate him from the woman he fell in love with. She is a beautiful woman, and she may be beautiful inside and out, and that is why he fell in love with her. I am not Mormon, but was raised Mormon. Caitlin is not a staunch Mormon. You can tell that by the way she dresses. If they are living together and not married, she would probably be excommunicated from the church. My Aunt was excommunicated for living with a man, after her children were raised, and not married to him. So, comes the question. Who is really trying to control Kyle? I think his family pictured something else for him, than what he has chosen, and they are freaking out because they cannot control him. They have gone off the deep end, blaming the Mormon Church and everyone else, which is only going to further the separation between them. It is going to be hard to repair their relationship after all this drama.
This is crazy. My HS would not allow anyone to have a date to prom over 20. So many red flags.
This fits perfectly!!
Shoulda seen the looks on the faces of my Dad and Mom
When I showed up at the door with a date for the senior prom
They said: "Well, pardon us son, she ain't no kid
"That's a cocktail waitress in a Dolly Parton wig
I said: "I know it dad, ain't she cool, that's the kind I dig"
Conf Railroad
@@TiffanyRingwood Exactly!!! I just didn’t wanna get into the descriptive language of the song, but it’s hilarious!
@@Deepdiver4U 😆🤣🤣
I think NBA teams are taking players’ support systems more seriously as a factor when drafting these days after some high-profile draft picks have struggled once they got to the league with performance and health issues on the court and, sadly, poor off-the-court conduct. Hitting right on a draft pick can be a game-changer for less valuable franchises as acquiring talent in other ways becomes much more expensive, so teams want to make sure the players they pick will be resilient, and having a solid support system is key. Players come from all sorts of familial situations, but Fillipowski seemingly being willingly estranged from his family would definitely be considered a potential issue.
This was an interesting episode. The circumstances seem very problematic. It could have nothing to do with mormonism (if she left the church) but regardless it seems problematic. With the ages, she could have easily manipulated him with or without religion.
It is absolutely problematic! I’m surprised that anyone would gloss over this. Could he still have issues with his family, yes, but what she was doing with a high schooler is disturbing!
@@novalunatica An adult dating a highschooler is never acceptable. Had he been in his twenties, the age difference doesn't matter. Older men regularly toss aside their wives to get a new younger one.
Religion does make it easier though. It is problematic regardless of the gender, because a young, hormonal mind is very manipulable. As an adult she should've taken herself out of the situation, because it is unhealthy. Honestly anyone under the age of 25 is not an adult to me. I'm not sure if this is true, but if she actually was the families' babysitter I'd be so grossed out as a mother.
To clarify: Jon Scheyer, the current coach at Duke, is not LDS (he was raised Jewish), and neither was Coach K (Catholic). My hunch is that Daniel Filipowski thinks someone might have pressured Scheyer or the school to be quiet about what was happening with Filipowski.
If you're thinking about a prominent LDS coach, you're probably thinking about Mark Pope, who just took the Kentucky job after John Calipari left for Arkansas. Pope played for Kentucky in college, but he coached at BYU and is LDS.
Thank you. John's co-host seems like a really nice person but she didn't have a very good grasp of this story. I appreciate you providing this (probably not too hard to find) info.
Thank you for covering this.
I had a Mormon missionary, hold my hand , was at my parents home every second night for dinner . Underneath the table we’d hold hands ect
Give me hugs tell me we are getting married, the list goes on. When he got home he told me his mother said his not to marry anyone he meet on his mission. Thank god as I have had my name removed and he would of been leaving the church if we ended up together, I knew the church was a cult and couldn’t wait to get out
As creepy as their age difference may be, consider the dating pool of a girl who’s over 6ft tall.
Yet…. At 20yoa, TWO YEARS after leaving his family, Kyle STILL hasn’t converted and STILL isn’t married.
He’s away from his gf enough to make it to the freaking NBA. I don’t see any actual problem here.
She’s definitely not 6ft tall and even if, she can’t just pick a 16 year old at 24!
@@soude85. All I’m saying is that the boy isn’t exhibiting signs of being trapped. If he was, you’d expect the marriage to at least have taken place and for her to have a baby.
They didn’t even go to the same college.
From what I’ve seen so far, it seems to me that HIS family might just be the toxic element here.
@@markmoore6258 "They didn't even go to the same college"? That would be relevant if they were both attending college at the same time. With the age difference, she would have graduated college when he was 14.
@@soude856 years apart, not 8. That was misreported. Sept. 17, 1997 and Nov 7, 2003.
Lmao what is that thumbnail though 😂
I wonder how much dysfunction pre-existed in this family before the girlfriend entered the picture. The tone and content of the mom and brother feels slightly off to me, which could be a magnifier to the potential grooming issue.
Omg as soon as Julie spoke, I thought “she sounds like home.” Home for me is also east coast Canada (PEI.) I know a maritimer anywhere! 😂 Happy belated Canada Day Julie!
I’m heading to PEI this week!! 🎉❤
@@julielouise1975omg have fun!!! I am so jealous! My extended family is all still there, but I’ve been living in Arizona since I was 10. I wanted to make it back for a visit this summer, but alas I am 8 months pregnant 😂😂😂
@@alexarobertson17Congratulations on your impending bundle of joy! 🎉❤
@@ericafors6039 aw thank you! We are very excited! 🥰
John, love your channel and its integrity, but Julie just has a gossip vibe. Is that a good fit? Don’t love it.
Not to say anything here but I'd want a sports person on this one. The beginning of this was kind of cringe
I feel for Kyle's family. As an ex-Mormon that grew-up in Utah and then moved away about 25 years ago, you have every right to be concerned about Kyle. As parents all we want to do is protect our children from harm, I saw the harm in Mormons..because I grew-up as a Mormon, I experienced the harm Mormons cause. Remember Kyle has been harmed by religion. Do not know how Mormon Caitlin is? You could tell us.
I did not raise my children in the Church when we lived in Utah, but even so we lived in Mormon culture and we were well aware of how we were treated by the Mormons...it was not pleasant when they figured out I was never going to allow my children to be Mormon. Mormons are not nice people if you look deeper. Be careful...but this would be a great place to start telling us your truths about Kyle and Caitlin. Mormon Stories has integrity....
One of my Mormon missionaries wanted to marry me. He told my Mom, pulled my 15 year old self aside and told me. While we were taking the discussions! I got a story, I tell ya. Maybe one of these days I’ll make you an outline.
the new york age of consent is 17 which seems telling to me!
Even as a Cali mormon, I said I was taking a break from dating mormons after my first serious one and church people were like ya date and have your bf's join the one true church. That felt odd to me. Also I wanted to take duke's side, but wondering about seeing the recruiting process if maybe that coach who had left maybe told the family and stayed them thinking and so they trusted him with their son and then he was gone and they saw how much worse it got? Just wondering
Every good parent would be alarmed if an older woman controlled their young son and isolated him from his family. He’s still got several years to go before his brain is fully developed. His girlfriend will ruin his life.
All of this is reeeally problematic, AND there is so much unverified gossip in the comments and in all of the coverage of this issue. The girl is very problematic, AND his family is coming off as very toxic and bizarre. I just wish there was more vetting and fact gathering in this story rather than "oh I heard" bouncing around all the various channels.
Great episode!
if the older one was a man with a younger female, this would cause an uproar. It is not good for anyone. I feel bad for his family.
I think it kind of is an uproar as-is (hence the draft stock dropping, it being all the talk on social media, and it reaching Mormon Stories). Lol.
John let’s pause for a second & realize he was living in a athletic department dorm @ 17 his first semester in college. If they let her stay over, then that’s illegal and on them. If the athletic director banned his family in the arena, when he was 17, that is illegal without him emancipating. This is literally half the premise of the show One Tree Hill except in this case a grown woman found a 5 star recruit still in high school and used the move to duke to monopolize his life. Duke only cared about getting their blue blood program back on track after coach K retired & needed filipiowski to rebound. Bottom dollar of the athletic department means they keep the rape (statutory in this case) under raps to avoid the legal consequences of allowing this to happen under their supervision of a minor. Simple
I don’t think Kyle or his fiancé have anything to explain.
This sounds much less like a Mormon issue and much more like the girlfriend is a narcissistic predator
Who is this girls parents?. What mother does not tell her daughter you cant steal a person from his family. What the hell! Who does that? Young girls are very insecure but to keep him from his family and friends lt extremely controlling act. Im glad his family is calling her out on this! Attack her parents publicly maybe they will put presure on her to stop controlling him. She needs mental health treatment.
That's his family's story. We don't know if it's true or not. Maybe he just got sick of them badgering him about his relationship and religion and decided on his own to cut them off. They do seem overly aggressive in their X posts. It is understandable that they'd be concerned, but once your kid is an adult you have to let them make their own choices. If you try to control too much you risk getting cut off.
@@davidfoust9767 you bring up interesting points. now that he is an adult, it will be tough to get him to reverse course.
I have few sisters in law that did that. It’s typically an insecure traumatized female that has a need to control everything and projects her traumas and unresolved garbage on everyone around her.
He’s a fall baby so he would of been 17 (maybe 16 if he went a semester early like a lot do in D1 sports) when he first started at duke.
I had a boyfriend that was 4 yrs older than me, I was 16, so would that be considered grooming because he was of legal age. I think that is rediculous. We loved each other
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I thought this was an interesting episode. I'm a basketball fan so I watched the draft and saw how Kyle was in the green room without going first round. I felt kind of bad for him!
Many East Coast people get Nanny's from Mormon families. My sister went to New York to be a Nanny's and married a friend of the boy she was a nanny for. She was 7 years older than him. Everyone was having an issue with this relationship. They divorced 3 years later.
Maybe he went from a controlling mother to a controlling girlfriend?
My cousin started dating her 30 year old boyfriend at 16. It’s a Mormon culture thing. Also many Mormons are Jack Mormons. And in one of those couple pictures they’re leaning against what looks like a Mormon temple building.
I think you have to be very careful here. This probably started out with a 16 year old boy dating a 24 year old woman. While Kyle was in high school, his family probably had some control of the situation. It's understandable that Kyle's family saw his girlfriend as a gold digger and an inappropriate sex interest. They may have good reason to go after his girlfriend while Kyle was in high school. If so, they would have addressed the problem with local authorities. The problem is once Kyle turned 18 and entered Duke, he could legally date whoever he wanted. Duke would have no legal right to get involved in interfering with Kyle and Cailyn's relationship.
I think it is pretty clear that Kyle's mother is using Caitlyn's loose Mormon association to advance her theory that Kyle is a victim of a cult. This appears to be a bunch of nonsense. If anything, Kyle is a classical victim of a teenager letting his sexual drive to override his brain functions. Any improprieties would have occurred while he was in high school before he attended Duke.
Whenever a mother seriously attacks her son's girlfriend or wife, it often leads to estrangement. It doesn't require cult shunning for this to happen.
Did he start duke at 17? I know I started college at 17. Usually HS kids get recruited early, so it’s possible he joined before he turned 18
Age of consent? Consent for what? Just intercourse? What about less than that?
What an unusual episode, I see a bubbling pot of culture (LDS and pro sports). People as products and fighting over ownership. As a British never-mormon and never-sports person - I find myself wanting to understand. I do get the age difference in starting their relationship. 😢
Maybe she was his nanny? We lived in NY for 25 years and lots of the people (non-Mormons) like to hire LDS Nannie's because they don't drink and party and make great babysitters.
So, did Kyle join the mormon church? Kyle’s family thinks he was abducted into a cult? This is about Kyle’s and Caitlin’s choices.
I really appreciated the explanation of the age differential "wiggle room". I had always wondered about that.
It’s a bit concerning that he was drafted by the Utah Jazz. It’s the worst place he could have landed if he is getting sucked in to Mormon culture. They probably did get a good deal and the attraction of Utah may make him feel comfortable if his girlfriend is Mormon. It might work out for him
If that’s what they want.
She is now 28, so she was 26, and he was 17-18 when they started dating
My understanding is that the dating may have started earlier.
I can’t believe this is a thing.
Caucasian big men demonstrate a capacity for success in college, however their leaner physique present challenges when facing off against more muscular competitors in the NBA. A Mormon example Shawn Bradley BYU'S 7 foot~ 6 inch center who flopped after being the second overall pick in the 1993 draft. In the NBA draft day trades are so common, an uncooperative significant other could inspire teams to pass on picking anyone with problematic potential.
It could be a one year anniversary of their first date.
Kyle, no one should have to give up their family for a relationship. This will absolutely ruin your life and your kids life. Just my thoughts. Think. If you continue this relationship you need to get counseling now. Especially when you find out the truth about the history of the church.
Rebecca Bibliotecha said she bought a house near Duke.
Honestly this doesn’t seem to be related to the Mormon Church at all, I’m not sure why it’s even looped in, because she was once Mormon???
Feelings aren't facts. But my feeling is that these college players are very pampered with training, healthcare, nutrition, massage and even mental therapy provided by the schools.
So this basketball player was definitely telling someone about his life, dating history, gilrfriend and challenges (confessing things to coaches and teamates-- esp if he didn't talk with his parents as counselors).
The conerning part is the power differential with the girlfriend, the classic cult isolation, and the possibility of professionals at the college, damaging other people to groom and boost this career into the NBA.
Italian "Gio" is pronounce like the English name "Joe" (not Gee-oh.)
The family really should shut up - if they think the social media screeds are helping mend a bridge to their son and brother they should think again.
Flirt to convert is still very alive in the Mormon Church. All the new ads are attractive Mormons inviting others to join.
41:10 why associate darkness with negativity . We MUST shake this terminology off
If the Jazz were interested in his being a Mormon why didn't they take him in the first round ? I have followed the Jazz for years. I have never seen religion being an issue in the draft
When it comes to college BB do not forget Coach John Wooden and his UCLA Bruins!!
Rebecca bibliotecha had some great commentary and knows this stuff, it’s a shame you didn’t interview her.
I think the NBA teams were scared away because of the allegations against Oklahoma City Thunder Josh Giddey relationship with a teenager. Teams do not want to have that type of news about their players.
The Steelers passed on Dan Marino, who was from PGH, and took Bradshaw because of Marino's rumored drug use.
🚩If they began dating in High School, what did the parents do to discourage this relationship while the "child" was still a minor in their home?
There are many “liberal Mormon’s” who live devoted LDS lives once they get the ring, after marriage in Utah. Many others live adjacent to orthodox LDS members and shunned for not quite fitting in. That said, Interesting story.
GET OUT
Though this doesn’t seem right what has happened to Kyle, it does happen to young women all the time and no one seems to care if the man is older-Brad Pitt dated an under age girl-not a peep and he certainly didn’t lose a job over it
If the genders were reversed, the older partner would probably be investigated by the police.
"Age is just a number" one might say, and I would agree if we're talking about people 25+ years old but not young adolescents or worse, teenagers.
A 30 yo and a 37 yo sleeping together sounds reasonable.
A 24 yo dating a 17 yo teenager that they used to babysit is creepy. Throw a healthy dose of religious manipulation in the mix and you got yourself a very concerning situation, even if both parties say they consent.
An age gap is fine but *both parties need to be equally mature* and that is only _really_ possible once the brain is fully developed (at 26-ish.)
These colleges go after these kids when they are under age. Maybe that is where his parents are coming from. These schools are courting these kids to sign with them as early as freshmen. . It is BIG business both for the school & the athlete since the athletes can make money while in college.
What’s good enough for Joe smith …
Hi John, just to correct you, coercive control is a form of abuse and is slowly becoming recognised as a severe form of domestic violence as it very rarely involves actual physical violence (so nothing to report) but is manipulative, isolating and controlling, removing all agency from victims. It can and does escalate to severe violence when the controlled party attempts to leave, so police have to be trained to understand what coercive control is to adequately deal with situations and appropriately identify the real victim and provide them with assistance. It is not only high-demand religion that uses coercive control. A great guest to understand coercive control is Laura Richards (@CrimeAnalyst and @RealCrimeProfile).
Thank you @TheBelleRoberts !!!
Please link Julie’s channel or lost her name. Had trouble finding her.
It’s interesting. I think a lot of Mormon people claim the religion but don’t adhere to the “trappings of the traditions” like wearing strapless dresses etc. Heck you see Mormons wearing crosses now, and they never did before. So I’m just not sure.
Bottom line, some people are hurt because they are no longer part of the inner-circle of a potential $uper$tar. Money can be extremely divisive. Love is a powerful influence that brings people together. There are many relationships, beliefs, and traditions in this world we could describe as bizarre or unorthodox. It’s all a matter of perspective. Hope you and your family are doing well.
This could very well be true however, the young woman is a child groomer.
I love the new co-hosts and co-hosting format! 🎉
I'm 10 years older than my husband 😂 so we got married him 23 and me 33 we are now 46 and 56 . Never morman uk
FYI - the draft analyst's name is pronounced GIVE-OH-KNEE.
Sounds like a gold digger scenario more so than a religion trap to me
high stakes? They'll do anything (treasure hunter, gold digger, ...).
Will the new utah hockey team be Mormon as well?
Is she pushing LDS mission after he would convert? I could see that as a red flag for proffesional teams!
Where were the adults when he brought her it prom???
How about the JAZZ taking him!? That was a dumb move. It's only going to exasperate the situation. He's going into the belly of the beast. Mormons think any publicity is good publicity.
I don’t think she’s a TBM…..
Feasibility study
what IS a Cult ? from my perspective as an European who Was and Remains both surprised , taken a back AND thirdly Appalled that a ,' sport ,c' becomes The Everything it seems to me that the meaning of ' cult ' can easily be applied to ones entire meaning in live being ' baseball ' equals ' .living in a Cult ' . Yes there ARE those who play gess but the difference IS subtle , they also generally read literature , can discuss politics and , or . Very often those involved in these ' sports " can hardly strung together a simple , let alone Complex
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Im sorry, I feel like this is a non story blown out of proportion.
What if it was your child being groomed by and dating an adult?
The Jazz are my team, even though I'm in New York
@02RCR. When I was 16, my boyfriend was 20. I was mature for my age. What is so magical about turning 18-legal age. Sounds like he was infatuated, and are they sure they had sex? So can they date legally. This is a slippery slope
28:04 this girl sounds like no one took her to prom 😂
She’s waiting to get the bag aka nba contract and baby trap him. There’s many nba players falling for this scam
A lot of coincidences. I think if anything Flip's family is acting like Catholic vs Mormom. "IF" she was sexually grooming him, that is one issue, at ages 11-15. Doesn't sound like the church is as involved as possesion of Kyle. Too scandalous.
Stupid that he has to share about his gf’s age … if it was a guy who was older that’ve been fine. This is ridiculous…
It’s about how young he was and how old she was when they started dating.