Anyone who has enough braincells can really make out that Rafa is truly the best. His peak was sandwiched between Federer's and Djokovic's, he never got his time to statpad where no other goat was there to stop him. Even after that he got 22 slams is beyond me, with all of those chronic injuries too. Djokovic only has the stats on paper, but anyone unbiased who has the knowledge of context in tennis truly knows that deep inside, Nadal is not only the GOAT but the biggest 'what if' too.
@@thisisjuanhoyos ironic coming from the Nole antivax fan. Tbh half of nolefan came after 2022 lmfao, as djoko is more popular for his controversies rather than tennis
It is an irony that who is the GOAT is still being debated when Nadal himself has grudgingly acknowledged in a Spanish interview that Novak is the GOAT without a shade of doubt as he has the numbers. Even the whole statement said in that context is available in social media. I would advise the propogator of this video to reference it than make a ****** of himself 😂😂😂😂😂
Missed or retired from 22 slams, Rafa would have 30+ slam wins by now. GOAT pure and simple. Greatest fighter ever in tennis and a humble wonderful guy off court. GOAT there is NO DEBATE.
@@ianwalters11 We can only count what is on the plate. 😂😂😂😂 I can also claim that Novak would have won 40 slams with "IF" factor. Claydal is always injured outside clay. From 2022, he is running away from grass and hard courts. 😂😂🤣🤣🤣
@@michael8597 2008-2013 ( 6 years) all 3 at their best, Fed won 5 GS titles, Rafa 10 GS, Novak, 6 GS ( 3 in 2011) 2014-2019 ( 6 years) Fed and Rafa have years of injury prob missing at least 3 GS each, Fed won 3 GS, Rafa, 6 GS, Novak 10(6 won in the 3 years when Fed and Rafa were not able to played full years) 2017- when Rafa and Fed were playing their best, 2 GS each, Novak 0 GS 2020- 2024 Fed retired in 2022- 0 GS titles, Rafa played 1st qtr in 2020, in 2022 won 2 GS, Novak 8 GS titles against the slamless next gen players for the last 5 years couldn't win a single slam 😂 Weakvak aint goat silly boy
@@mysticnomad89 Even Novak had elbow issues between 2017 to early 2018 when Frauderer vultured those three slams and that too beating a blister footed Cilic at Wimbledon. LoL 😂😂 As though injury counts only for Fedal.. Tennis is a very brutal and gruelling atheletic sport where injuries are very natural. The real hallmark of Greatness is being fit in such a taxing sport and that is why Novak is head and shoulders above both Frauderer and Nadal who are masters of frivolous excuses to wish away their defeats. Frauderer missed playing only 4 slams in his entire career and three of them were in French open by his own volition since he knew his chances were zilch. Nadal, just being a year older than Novak has played in all French open except 2016 when he withdrew from second round and 2023. Novak in contrast has played in all French open, his weakest surface, throughout his career. So who was running away from whom is very clear by this simple statistic. Novak also was unjustly disqualified in 2020 US open, wasn't allowed to play 2022 Australian and US open & forced to withdraw from 2024 French open and played Wimbledon with one leg to still reach finals. LoL 🤣 🤣 🤣 And so called Prime Frauderer was destroyed by Nadal time and again and going by your logic and excuses galore, it is 35/36/37 year old Frauderer beating so called weak Nadal. So called injured Nadal won 6 French open, two US open and 1 Australian between 2014 to 2023. He was world no. 1 between 2019-20 and 2022-23. So all these injury excuses are h0gw@sh in the light of facts and Nadal won all these competing against the so called weak next generation players. Frauderer was 2-5 against Theim, 3-4 against Zverev and even 2-3 against Tstispas. LoL 😂 😂 It is weakest era vulture Frauderer who won just 3 between 2014 to 2021 (3 that was won when Novak had elbow issues) who couldn't just cope up with real competition that he didn't experience between 2003-2007 in the weakest era in tennis history. LoL 😂😂
So you mean Schwartzman is the real authority to pronounce who is the Greatest and not Sampras or Roddick or Agassi or Mcenroe or Connors or even Nadal himself.
@@michael8597he has more authority than you ever will Michael. The world sees you as sad little Michael from wherever you are from because nobody knows and nobody cares
You and I are closer to Nadal then Nadal is to Djokovic on being no 1 player in the world, but difference between Nadal you and me is that you are only one unrealistic.
Opinions does not matters at all. What matter is Novak djokovic owns all the records like GS, 1000 masters, ATP final, weeks @ no1, positive H2h against nadal. All you can do is just cry and cry.
@kellyjanemurphy5284 What about GS, 1000 Masters, ATP finals, Weeks @no1, YEN 1, 3xCareer GS Why do I have to cry, you have to cry because you have only one point to defend 😏
@@kellyjanemurphy5284 ok that's 4 slams and we can expect them to play about 1/4 of their matches at each one right? In reality, the division of their 18 GS matches looks like this: Rafa's best and nole's worst slam, RG, 10 matches (56%, 31% units more than expected), 8-2 for Rafa! Nole's best and Rafa's worst slam AO, 2 matches (11%, 14% units less than expected), 2-0 No1e Rafa's second best and Nole's second worst slam USO, 3 matches (17%), 2-1 Rafa Nole's second best and Rafa's second worst slam W, 3 matches (17%), 2-1 No1e so, 10 at RG (rafa's house) and 2 at AO (nole's house)
Such a poorly researched narrative. To quote Schwartzman was laughable, as Schwartzman has beaten Nadal, but never beaten Federer and Djokovic. To say what if "Nadal preserves his body better", is the same as what if "Djokovic breaks out earlier". It did not happen.
I do however think he will always be the KING of Clay and has done amazing things for the sport of Tennis and his accomplishments should always be revered. He is a wonderful part of tennis history of the very best.
Ok, I saw in your video what Rafa's trainer and family member have to say on the matter and also Fed's trainer. But not No1e's? Why? Is Ivanisevic (who was the latest and therefore most relevant) less relevant tennis name than LJubicic and Tony Nadal?
Best on clay has 8 non clay court slams and a positive h2h against Prime Novak on his favourite hard court surface 2-1 at US open. Time for you to get new brain cells.
It is obvious that you are pro-Nadal. Records alone speak for itself! Who is NO 1 till the present and for how many weeks now? Who has the most records that have been confirmed as world records!!! Family man through and through. Humility is one of Nole's character. Of course, Nole is the GOAT, no doubt about that!!! We love you Nole 💘 ❤❤❤
I think Nole has the highest numbers, especially in the most prestigious tennis tournaments.... That information supports who is the best.... obviously there is a difference of taste, but that assessment is more subjective....and each who may have different opinions, but the hard data speaks for itself
Djokovic leads all time vs Nadal by 1 match 30-29. Nadal leads all time in grand slam meetups with Djokovic 11-7. Nadal leads all time in Grand Slam Finals 5-4! Hence Nadal is better than Djokovic when the most important matches matter. Therefore, Nadal is better than Djokovic hands down, but I truly enjoy the debate because I love Nadal and I like Djokovic he’s just not as classy. My GOAT is Nadal but Djo is close.
The head to head had a lot of clay matches, coz Rafa avoids Djoker a lot of times in non clay tournaments, so it's stupid to bring that in an argument, everybody knows Rafa is better on clay, and the stats you showed is bcoz of that only. @@TennisTenacity-cq7dg
22 slams missed or retired from due to injuries, yet still has 22 slams. No tennis player has ever endured so many injuries but won so much, Rafa is easily the best tennis player in history. He’s an otherworldly god. Greatest warrior ever on a tennis court nicest guy off court. GOAT, there is NO DEBATE people!
@@TennisTenacity-cq7dg Opinions does not matters at all. What matter is Novak djokovic owns all the records like GS, 1000 masters, ATP final, weeks @ no1, positive H2h against nadal. All you can do is just cry and cry.
@@TennisTenacity-cq7dg Yep, he's so stupid that he can't even realize how his words sound. He should stick to hitting tennis ball, it's less complicated.
@@TennisTenacity-cq7dgLol I've never seen this level of delusion! Hey if that makes you feel happy keep on going little buddy as long as you're happy that's all that matters 😂
@@TennisTenacity-cq7dg Why? As a Djokovic fan I'm by far the happiest, no one has enjoyed more success than us! My guy keeps on winning, your guy, not so much and that's all that really matter!
@@takodanobabadude winning and stats don’t matter just enjoy watching Rafa whip exciting forehands down the line or whatever insane shots he can come up with. He has a statue outside the main court of a grand slam that can’t be said and never will be said for a tennis player who throws his racquet every time things don’t go his way.
Sorry Nadal isn't a goat material... He isn't a complete player either....... To be goat you have to master all the surfaces...but he never did..... We all know who is the GOAT its not a conversation anymore
22 slams missed or retired from due to injuries yet STILL wins 22 slams?!? Rafa would have 30+ by now he’s the GOAT by a country mile, a god walking amongst man. Djokovic is a brilliant player no argument but he’s not as talented as Rafa. For a player known for baseline play look at the stats for serve and volley and net play wins…. Rafa is incredible and has way better stats than Djokovic at the net, he’s superhuman.
Who is the GOAT depends on your criteria. If it is titles and weeks at No 1, it is Djokovic. If it is sheer artistry, it is Federer. If it is grit and court presence, it is Nadal. I think "greatest" implies a qualitative element beyond mere statistics. Is it the person who "transcended" the sport? If so, which of the Big Three achieved that?
Noone in there right mind will call Claydal a GOAT. Him being behind Djokovic is something that anyone with at least two braincells can understand. He is mostly not even ahead of Federer as he is just a one trick pony
I think you have only two cells in your brain left. Opinions does not matters at all. What matter is Novak djokovic owns all the records like GS, 1000 masters, ATP final, weeks @ no1, positive H2h against nadal. All you can do is just cry and cry.
I think everyone is entitled to their opinion on who is the Goat but we all need to have one key parameter to measure it and it is the grand slam. Novak is the undisputed GOAT then. Tennis is an individual sport it is not like football or basketball which is obviously a team sport. MJ is considered the greatest despite only win 6 compared to Bill Russel. Leo Messi is considered now as goat soon after winning the world cup despite he only won it once and also has less champions league medal compared to Cristiano and even guys like Benzema, Modric, Kroos, etc.
tennis plays for more than 8 weeks in year. so everything matter. especially no1 stats that mean that someone is best on tour. so: YE#1: 8 record (F+60%, R+60%) weeks @#1: 428 record (F+38%, R+105%) slams: 24 record (F+20%, R+9%) WTFs: 7 record (F+17%, R=0) masters: 40 record (F+43%, R+11%) big titles: 71 record (F+31%, R+20%) all titles: 98 3rd in OE (record 109, connors; F=N+5%, N=R+7%) CGSs: 3 record (F+200%, R+50%) CGMs: 2 record (F=0, R=0) highest ATP points: 16950 record (F+6%, R+10%) W%: record nole-slam: only player with all 4 titles at once since 3 different surfaces positive h2h vs all main rivales and all with 10+ matches played better and greater on at least 2 out of 3 surfaces than anybody in history
Nadal defeated a prime Roger Federer in 2008 and took prime Roger Federer to a 5 setter in 2007 and a God level federer to a 4 setter in 2006. On the other hand, Novak Djokovic struggled to beat 35-38 year old Roger Federer (2015-2019) Prime Rafa defeated the greatest 1 and 2 (federer and Novak) on their favourite Hard court players in their prime. AO 2009, AO 2012 vs Roger and US 2010 and 2013 vs Novak. Where as Roger and Novak couldn’t beat Prime Rafa at Roland Garros. Nadal missed 16slams due to injuries and still won 22slams means that without all that he would have won atleast a 10 more slams. And when Nadal was in the draw there were times when he had to retire or loose the match because he was injured. USO 2018, AO 2018, RG 2021, Wimbledon 2022, RG 2016, AO 2010, AO 2014. If not for those injuries Rafa’s tally of slams would have crossed 30 easily.
Anyone who has enough braincells can really make out that Rafa is truly the best.
His peak was sandwiched between Federer's and Djokovic's, he never got his time to statpad where no other goat was there to stop him. Even after that he got 22 slams is beyond me, with all of those chronic injuries too.
Djokovic only has the stats on paper, but anyone unbiased who has the knowledge of context in tennis truly knows that deep inside, Nadal is not only the GOAT but the biggest 'what if' too.
Could not have said it any better.
Well said 👏🏼
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No pain no gain! I like Djo but he may retire after the Olympics. Nadal is better! More wins against Djo in grand slams.
@@thisisjuanhoyos ironic coming from the Nole antivax fan. Tbh half of nolefan came after 2022 lmfao, as djoko is more popular for his controversies rather than tennis
It is an irony that who is the GOAT is still being debated when Nadal himself has grudgingly acknowledged in a Spanish interview that Novak is the GOAT without a shade of doubt as he has the numbers. Even the whole statement said in that context is available in social media.
I would advise the propogator of this video to reference it than make a ****** of himself 😂😂😂😂😂
Good point that’s why the video ends when Nadal I guess I’m just an @$$!
Missed or retired from 22 slams, Rafa would have 30+ slam wins by now. GOAT pure and simple. Greatest fighter ever in tennis and a humble wonderful guy off court. GOAT there is NO DEBATE.
@@ianwalters11 We can only count what is on the plate. 😂😂😂😂
I can also claim that Novak would have won 40 slams with "IF" factor.
Claydal is always injured outside clay. From 2022, he is running away from grass and hard courts. 😂😂🤣🤣🤣
@@michael8597 2008-2013 ( 6 years) all 3 at their best, Fed won 5 GS titles, Rafa 10
GS, Novak, 6 GS ( 3 in 2011)
2014-2019 ( 6 years) Fed and Rafa have years of injury prob missing at least 3 GS each, Fed won 3 GS, Rafa, 6 GS, Novak 10(6 won in the 3 years when Fed and Rafa were not able to played full years)
2017- when Rafa and Fed were playing their best, 2 GS each, Novak 0 GS
2020- 2024 Fed retired in 2022- 0 GS titles, Rafa played 1st qtr in 2020, in 2022 won 2 GS, Novak 8 GS titles against the slamless next gen players for the last 5 years couldn't win a single slam 😂
Weakvak aint goat silly boy
@@mysticnomad89 Even Novak had elbow issues between 2017 to early 2018 when Frauderer vultured those three slams and that too beating a blister footed Cilic at Wimbledon. LoL 😂😂 As though injury counts only for Fedal..
Tennis is a very brutal and gruelling atheletic sport where injuries are very natural. The real hallmark of Greatness is being fit in such a taxing sport and that is why Novak is head and shoulders above both Frauderer and Nadal who are masters of frivolous excuses to wish away their defeats.
Frauderer missed playing only 4 slams in his entire career and three of them were in French open by his own volition since he knew his chances were zilch. Nadal, just being a year older than Novak has played in all French open except 2016 when he withdrew from second round and 2023. Novak in contrast has played in all French open, his weakest surface, throughout his career. So who was running away from whom is very clear by this simple statistic.
Novak also was unjustly disqualified in 2020 US open, wasn't allowed to play 2022 Australian and US open & forced to withdraw from 2024 French open and played Wimbledon with one leg to still reach finals. LoL 🤣 🤣 🤣
And so called Prime Frauderer was destroyed by Nadal time and again and going by your logic and excuses galore, it is 35/36/37 year old Frauderer beating so called weak Nadal.
So called injured Nadal won 6 French open, two US open and 1 Australian between 2014 to 2023. He was world no. 1 between 2019-20 and 2022-23. So all these injury excuses are h0gw@sh in the light of facts and Nadal won all these competing against the so called weak next generation players. Frauderer was 2-5 against Theim, 3-4 against Zverev and even 2-3 against Tstispas. LoL 😂 😂
It is weakest era vulture Frauderer who won just 3 between 2014 to 2021 (3 that was won when Novak had elbow issues) who couldn't just cope up with real competition that he didn't experience between 2003-2007 in the weakest era in tennis history. LoL 😂😂
Everyone has opinion but I agree with Schwartzman that Nadal is the hardest to play off the 3.; there the GOAT is … wait for it… Rafa!!!!
It’s a good debate! All 3 are tremendous.
So you mean Schwartzman is the real authority to pronounce who is the Greatest and not Sampras or Roddick or Agassi or Mcenroe or Connors or even Nadal himself.
Schwartzman who could not been able to do anything in his entire career, he is saying Nadal is GOAT. What a foolish person.
@@michael8597he has more authority than you ever will Michael. The world sees you as sad little Michael from wherever you are from because nobody knows and nobody cares
You and I are closer to Nadal then Nadal is to Djokovic on being no 1 player in the world, but difference between Nadal you and me is that you are only one unrealistic.
Great perspectives from so many players and tennis professionals. But for me, I’d pick Nadal any day.
Me too! Thanks for watching 💗
Opinions does not matters at all. What matter is Novak djokovic owns all the records like GS, 1000 masters, ATP final, weeks @ no1, positive H2h against nadal. All you can do is just cry and cry.
@@naeemulhassan3664 In Grand Slam matches played between Rafa and Djo, Rafa has won 11 and Novak has won 7. I guess the Jokers crying now… 😭 😆
@kellyjanemurphy5284 What about GS, 1000 Masters, ATP finals, Weeks @no1, YEN 1, 3xCareer GS
Why do I have to cry, you have to cry because you have only one point to defend 😏
@@kellyjanemurphy5284
ok that's 4 slams and we can expect them to play about 1/4 of their matches at each one right?
In reality, the division of their 18 GS matches looks like this:
Rafa's best and nole's worst slam, RG, 10 matches (56%, 31% units more than expected), 8-2 for Rafa!
Nole's best and Rafa's worst slam AO, 2 matches (11%, 14% units less than expected), 2-0 No1e
Rafa's second best and Nole's second worst slam USO, 3 matches (17%), 2-1 Rafa
Nole's second best and Rafa's second worst slam W, 3 matches (17%), 2-1 No1e
so, 10 at RG (rafa's house) and 2 at AO (nole's house)
Such a poorly researched narrative.
To quote Schwartzman was laughable, as Schwartzman has beaten Nadal, but never beaten Federer and Djokovic.
To say what if "Nadal preserves his body better", is the same as what if "Djokovic breaks out earlier". It did not happen.
Those are their personal opinions and or doesn’t matter whether you agree with them or not. I really don’t care.
Even though Djokovic is the GOAT of tennis - he will never have the same number of TikTok followers like Nadal! Never!
Ha! Nadal on TikTok would be funny!
I do however think he will always be the KING of Clay and has done amazing things for the sport of Tennis and his accomplishments should always be revered. He is a wonderful part of tennis history of the very best.
Undisputed king of clay
Ok, I saw in your video what Rafa's trainer and family member have to say on the matter and also Fed's trainer. But not No1e's? Why? Is Ivanisevic (who was the latest and therefore most relevant) less relevant tennis name than LJubicic and Tony Nadal?
No it makes sense I probably should’ve included Goran if he has any quotes on the GOAT debate. Good point!
Goat of Clay
Haha 😂 yes well said… he’s the GOC Greatest on Clay
When nadals balls bounce over schwartzmans head of course he thinks he is the hardest to play
Bahahaha that’s funny 🤣
😄, he won once vs rafa (1-11) , never vs nole (0-7)
Upload shorts bro, helps with subs and audience
Thanks man!
Nadal - my least favorite player ever. Never was able to support him in a single match.
Best on clay for sure, but that's about it.
Appreciate your opinion
Best on clay has 8 non clay court slams and a positive h2h against Prime Novak on his favourite hard court surface 2-1 at US open. Time for you to get new brain cells.
It is obvious that you are pro-Nadal. Records alone speak for itself! Who is NO 1 till the present and for how many weeks now? Who has the most records that have been confirmed as world records!!! Family man through and through. Humility is one of Nole's character. Of course, Nole is the GOAT, no doubt about that!!! We love you Nole 💘 ❤❤❤
Don’t get me wrong the Joker is amazing
You didn't even watch the video 😂
I think Nole has the highest numbers, especially in the most prestigious tennis tournaments.... That information supports who is the best.... obviously there is a difference of taste, but that assessment is more subjective....and each who may have different opinions, but the hard data speaks for itself
Djokovic leads all time vs Nadal by 1 match 30-29.
Nadal leads all time in grand slam meetups with Djokovic 11-7.
Nadal leads all time in Grand Slam Finals 5-4!
Hence Nadal is better than Djokovic when the most important matches matter.
Therefore, Nadal is better than Djokovic hands down, but I truly enjoy the debate because I love Nadal and I like Djokovic he’s just not as classy.
My GOAT is Nadal but Djo is close.
@@TennisTenacity-cq7dg What a foolish mindset.
What matters for being GOAT is GS, 1000 masters, ATP final, weeks @ no1, positive H2h . cry and cry.
The head to head had a lot of clay matches, coz Rafa avoids Djoker a lot of times in non clay tournaments, so it's stupid to bring that in an argument, everybody knows Rafa is better on clay, and the stats you showed is bcoz of that only. @@TennisTenacity-cq7dg
22 slams missed or retired from due to injuries, yet still has 22 slams. No tennis player has ever endured so many injuries but won so much, Rafa is easily the best tennis player in history. He’s an otherworldly god. Greatest warrior ever on a tennis court nicest guy off court. GOAT, there is NO DEBATE people!
Amen JW... Well Done!
Really Cool opinions 🦊😎 by legends and coaches
Everyone’s got an opinion!
@@TennisTenacity-cq7dg Opinions does not matters at all. What matter is Novak djokovic owns all the records like GS, 1000 masters, ATP final, weeks @ no1, positive H2h against nadal. All you can do is just cry and cry.
@@TennisTenacity-cq7dg especially Rafas and Feds coaches wonder why Goran does not have any???
Sampras
Dig Sampras
His name is Rafael not rafiel
"Rafael, not Rafiel" - Got it! I'll be sure to get it right from now on.
@@TennisTenacity-cq7dg good video though 🤝
Rah fah- l that's the pronunciation in spanish😊@@TennisTenacity-cq7dg
Nadal is easily the 3rd in the race, for me there is no debate but if someone argues for fed, I kinda understand, but Rafa? Not a chance
Appreciate your thoughts 💭
All 3 have done so much for the game of tennis. It’s bizarre that It’s over.
The Golden age of tennis!
The GOAT who cannot even win a single ATP world tour final.
Don’t knock da GOAT 🐐 Naaaaaay
never won in paris eader. just one indoors in whole carrier, home in ihe madrid CC.
This video isnt for you. Just dont read ok
I mean this is just cope.
bs video, and the classless comment from Nadal at the end sums it up😂😂😂
Maybe Nadal should stick to tennis and leave the comments to the fans!
@@TennisTenacity-cq7dg Yep, he's so stupid that he can't even realize how his words sound. He should stick to hitting tennis ball, it's less complicated.
Rafa is not the GOAT and never will be. Facts and stats do not lie.
It’s a great debate! There would be no Novak without Rafa and Fed. Rafa has a better record over Djokovic in matches that matter. He is the GOAT
@@TennisTenacity-cq7dgLol I've never seen this level of delusion! Hey if that makes you feel happy keep on going little buddy as long as you're happy that's all that matters 😂
@@takodanobaba Yes this thing is making him happy. @tennistenacity, Alway keep happy and stay in your delusional world. 🤣
This is sad! Sad to see Nadal fans trying to justify their guy being the GOAT! This looks like the saltiest video lmao 🤣
It’s a sad n salty day my friend. Maybe a good cry will do you good! 😭
@@TennisTenacity-cq7dg Why? As a Djokovic fan I'm by far the happiest, no one has enjoyed more success than us! My guy keeps on winning, your guy, not so much and that's all that really matter!
@takodanobaba Well said, Nadal fans are trying their best to make Nadal GOAT but unfortunaly he doesnt own any record.
@@takodanobabadude winning and stats don’t matter just enjoy watching Rafa whip exciting forehands down the line or whatever insane shots he can come up with. He has a statue outside the main court of a grand slam that can’t be said and never will be said for a tennis player who throws his racquet every time things don’t go his way.
@@TrevorFeatherweathers alright bro cool! Enjoy the statue, I'll enjoy more grand slams and wins!
Sorry Nadal isn't a goat material... He isn't a complete player either....... To be goat you have to master all the surfaces...but he never did..... We all know who is the GOAT its not a conversation anymore
Nooooooo 😱 say is isn’t soooooo. Appreciate your opinion and thanks for watching!
22 slams missed or retired from due to injuries yet STILL wins 22 slams?!? Rafa would have 30+ by now he’s the GOAT by a country mile, a god walking amongst man. Djokovic is a brilliant player no argument but he’s not as talented as Rafa. For a player known for baseline play look at the stats for serve and volley and net play wins…. Rafa is incredible and has way better stats than Djokovic at the net, he’s superhuman.
Who is the GOAT depends on your criteria. If it is titles and weeks at No 1, it is Djokovic. If it is sheer artistry, it is Federer. If it is grit and court presence, it is Nadal. I think "greatest" implies a qualitative element beyond mere statistics. Is it the person who "transcended" the sport? If so, which of the Big Three achieved that?
All great points!!!
Noone in there right mind will call Claydal a GOAT. Him being behind Djokovic is something that anyone with at least two braincells can understand. He is mostly not even ahead of Federer as he is just a one trick pony
I think you have only two cells in your brain left.
Opinions does not matters at all. What matter is Novak djokovic owns all the records like GS, 1000 masters, ATP final, weeks @ no1, positive H2h against nadal. All you can do is just cry and cry.
What about 3 brain cells?
@@TennisTenacity-cq7dg with 3 the risk is that one would say that fed is GOAT, other rafa and 3rd nole!
I think everyone is entitled to their opinion on who is the Goat but we all need to have one key parameter to measure it and it is the grand slam. Novak is the undisputed GOAT then. Tennis is an individual sport it is not like football or basketball which is obviously a team sport. MJ is considered the greatest despite only win 6 compared to Bill Russel. Leo Messi is considered now as goat soon after winning the world cup despite he only won it once and also has less champions league medal compared to Cristiano and even guys like Benzema, Modric, Kroos, etc.
Well said
tennis plays for more than 8 weeks in year. so everything matter. especially no1 stats that mean that someone is best on tour.
so:
YE#1: 8 record (F+60%, R+60%)
weeks @#1: 428 record (F+38%, R+105%)
slams: 24 record (F+20%, R+9%)
WTFs: 7 record (F+17%, R=0)
masters: 40 record (F+43%, R+11%)
big titles: 71 record (F+31%, R+20%)
all titles: 98 3rd in OE (record 109, connors; F=N+5%, N=R+7%)
CGSs: 3 record (F+200%, R+50%)
CGMs: 2 record (F=0, R=0)
highest ATP points: 16950 record (F+6%, R+10%)
W%: record
nole-slam: only player with all 4 titles at once since 3 different surfaces
positive h2h vs all main rivales and all with 10+ matches played
better and greater on at least 2 out of 3 surfaces than anybody in history
Nadal defeated a prime Roger Federer in 2008 and took prime Roger Federer to a 5 setter in 2007 and a God level federer to a 4 setter in 2006. On the other hand, Novak Djokovic struggled to beat 35-38 year old Roger Federer (2015-2019)
Prime Rafa defeated the greatest 1 and 2 (federer and Novak) on their favourite
Hard court players in their prime. AO 2009, AO 2012 vs Roger and US 2010 and 2013 vs Novak. Where as Roger and Novak couldn’t beat Prime Rafa at Roland Garros.
Nadal missed 16slams due to injuries and still won 22slams means that without all that he would have won atleast a 10 more slams.
And when Nadal was in the draw there were times when he had to retire or loose the match because he was injured.
USO 2018, AO 2018, RG 2021, Wimbledon 2022, RG 2016, AO 2010, AO 2014.
If not for those injuries Rafa’s tally of slams would have crossed 30 easily.
Go Rafa!!