SGC Grade Reveal. Is It Worth It To Grade With SGC?
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- Опубліковано 29 сер 2024
- SGC is starting to become more and more popular among collectors. There are a few reasons for this. SGC is the current best grading company for mid to low end cards since they a quick turnaround time and lower grading fees. While PSA and BGS are $150+ to grade a card SGC is only $30 for their standard submission.
This brings up a question though. Even though they are cheap to grade with, will you make your money back? In this video I show my SGC reveal, how much extra I made grading with SGC, and the pros and cons of their business.
Consistency is key and I think SGC is very consistent. I have an idea of what my cards are going to grade. With PSA you honestly never know like the guy that turned a PSA 6 to a SGC 10
I’m all for PSA but I know someone with a similar experience. It was a PSA 8.. he resubmitted (the ethical way) and PSA sent it back with an 8 again.
Submitted with SGC received a gem mint 10.. RESUBMITTED to PSA, AGAIN and got a gem mint 10.
Yeah I can agree with that. SGC is very deliberate with following their grading scale. They don't do any pop control and aren't afraid to give a card that 10. Thanks for watching!
@@scottiebcards2354 love the channel and the topics you do! Very knowledgeable man. I like the channels where the collectors actually know the players. I collect cards because I love sports not for financial gain and I get that vibe from you
I just got my SGC order. Not gonna lie. The grading was done amazingly. No complains here.
I believe SGC grading has huge upside in grading modern. The slabs are nice too in person.
Congrats on the SGC order! Hopefully you got some big cards back.
As long as SGC can keep their turnaround times low and their prices lower than the competition they will be seen more and more which will help their popularity!
@@scottiebcards2354 congrats, guys. Loving SGC, the most consistent and fair graders, IMO.
@@scottiebcards2354 nope, I subbed 5 select base cards! 😂 Just wanted to see how consistent SGC was. My co worker really like the black background. Cards I subbed - Justin Herbert, Joe Burrow & Love. I also Compared 10’s and 9.5’s and I was happy with the grades they gave them.
My biggest gripe with SGC is the “9.5”; I love that they have it, but I don’t think people understand what it means. The description sounds a lot like a BGS “min” 9.5, but it prices very close to a PSA 9 (or less). There isn’t too much distinction from a pricing perspective on 9.5s and 9s, which again speaks to marketing / education.
Agreed. I view the SGC 9.5 as a PSA 9 since it is technically a card SGC themselves did not deem as a "Gem Mint" card along their standards. Prices reflect this, but on occasion some cards can bring some value in an SGC 9.5 over a PSA 9. Thanks for the thoughts Warren. Appreciate it man!
It's called mint +....whatever that means
For me…I try to chase the best possible grade given by the third part grader. If I have to have the card for my PC I’ll go as low as a 9 for current market cards. Pop reports matter. It’s not about educating anyone. It’s hard to compare PSA condition and prices to any other because the investors have decided that PSA is their grail. I personally don’t like how large the sgc slab is but I do own several and am happy to keep them on my radar. These two grading companies use real people to determine the overall grade and their can be a lot of room for error. Lots of wiggle room between a PSA 9 and PSA 10. The variance between a SGC 9, 9.5, & a 10 is much less. For my PC, I would take a SGC 9 over a 9.5 because if I were to regrade with PSA, I’m confident that even with luck on my side, the card would realistically grade a 9 and never a 10. An SGC 10 should cross over to a PSA 10. That’s my theory of why 9.5 SGC doesn’t get more respect.
I personally love SGC. Just wish the cards were more valuable . Hope they go up as SGC is a very reputable grading company
I think they look the best by far.
SGC grading is very fair. There's no reason their value should not be on par with PSA.
@@gunjunky187 Agree
Really like how you structured this video and that you didn’t exaggerate anything. Your videos are honestly super informative-thanks for all the insights.
I think SGC has its place but that order was 100% not worth it. $481 difference if you sell them all. Not counting time spent listing, fees, packing etc. and the biggest thing is someone has to actually BUY IT and that’s where I struggle with SGC slabs.
The liquidity just isn’t there for a lot of SGC stuff, but unlike PSA or BGS if you auction low-mid level SGC slabs you might not even get the cost of grading back. So you have to sell em at buy it now and that’s time consuming.
I think they grade pretty accurately, but at $30 a card and with how the market values SGC, unless you can bank on gemming 10s at a high rate it’s not worth it if you’re in it for flipping. Love SGC for the PC and vintage but with modern the value discrepancy is rough.
Couldn’t have said it better myself, spot on.
It's impossible to do the right things in the hobby consistently unless you are a professional with tons of experience and money to boot
you don’t think $500 difference is worth it? About 20 cards? That’s a weeks pay at $14 hour. And you don’t think that’s worth it?
I really like how you list the Raw, Graded and price spreads.
I just sent my first submission (ever) to SGC a couple of weeks ago and got confirmation they’re on the way back (will have tomorrow). I didn’t do any of the pre-cleaning, wipe with microfiber cloth, etc. just pulled from packs and put in a case. Out of 42 cards submitted, about 35 were either 10’s or 9.5’s. I’m happy with that. Curious/excited to see how these will sell compared to their non-graded counterparts.
I love sgc. Since you can’t sell them the cards end up as long term holds automatically. Takes the thinking out of it.
I like how your video is exactly 10:00
Thanks Austin. I would be a liar to say it was intentional 😂
Thanks for the content. Ive recently been submitting to SGC as well. Really nice looking slabs and its tough to beat turn around time and price
Slick production on the final video. Thanks for putting it together! I also like HGA a lot, even though they're at a disadvantage with being a new player in the grading game.
Like you I like HGA a lot too. I hope they are here to stay. They grade hard but at least you know what you got whereas PSA is a complete toss up from one to the next.
@@joshwalker2321 PSA's continued dominance is really unfortunate, as the other companies are more consistent in their rating values.
@@justinbehan9898 I could not agree more.
people have been saying "just wait for PSA" for almost a year now. SGC is the move if youre trying to turn a quicker, but smaller profit. plus, once psa opens, we'll likely still have to wait close to a year for low end submissions like these. cant just hold on to product forever! i think people are starting to realize now that they couldve sold 2020 nba prizm (for example) for more raw a year ago than graded a 9 today. waiting isnt always worth it!
Hey, you did well Scottie! I like SGC. I have yet to grade with them but am prepping an order right now. Can't wait for PSA any longer. Nice video 🔥
Great content! Some constructive advice: you should include the grading fees, especially when the difference turns out to be $30 bucks, making it really no difference at all (profit wise) besides having it protected in a slab.
i think he did thats why some of the difference prices were in red and the others in green, green means he profited after grading fees red means he didnt.
He did mention grading fees at the end. Did not include shipping cost, return shipping cost, eBay selling fees, taxes, time etc
I haven't watched many of your videos, but may start. This was well done. I have not sent cards in to SGC since they don't have sub-grades. Have been using HGA since they cost less and have sub-grades. Plus, re-sale value seems to be equal or higher than SGC. For PC cards that are lower end have been going CSG. At around $30/card, not sure if I will try SGC, but you may be able to convince me otherwise
One of my biggest gripes with PSA is how lenient they are with centering. So thanks for this video, as it seems SGC is that way, too; the centering on the Herbert 10 is very very noticable. But either way, congrats on the good returns!
TOTALLY AGREE
You know who's super fjckin tough on centering? csg that company is so damn strict. Almost impossible to get a 10. Shit that psa would say is a 10 for centering is like an 8 from csg 😅 highly recommend them. Give it a year or two and I think it will be one of the top grading companies.
Didn't do that well? Nearly everything was a 9 or higher minus the one 8.5 I believe, I'd say that is pretty good. SGC's resell value are only getting better and in some cases have been better than PSA, times are changing and SGC is doing a great job of not only providing a affordable option to grading but also having value in their slabs and brand which increases that resell value and that is a good thing wether your just collecting for PC or have plans to sell/flip.
Sgc is great. Period
I like SGC! They are definitely in my top three favorite grading companies!
I’ve done 3 different transactions with sgc now, and i can honestly say that they’re pretty consistent with grading. Also, ppl who shit on their slabs probably haven’t seen them in person because they definitely look better in person
SGC has always been pretty consistent and fair from what I’ve seen on my submissions. Will be curious what my next two orders come back with, I’m sitting on a few raw cards I want to submit, but with two outstanding and the turnaround times being what they are I’m holding off.
Curious about grading experiences.
I have tried PSA, Beckett, HGA and SCG. I have not received my Beckett order yet, but found HGA is the toughest. I feel like I thoroughly examine my cards and have submitted equal quality to all four, but have received 10% from SGC and PSA as 10’s. I have submitted double the number of cards to HGA and not received a single 10. Every card has 9 or better for three of the parameters, but every card is coming back with a 6 or 7 surface grading. I cannot see the issue, so no longer submitting cards to HGA and may have several regraded at SGC.
After eBay fees and shipping and your cost of time you might break even if sgc was liquid on modern cards but they usually take several months to move so you might not really break even. But if you submit vintage to them you will do a lot better they are considered about even with psa for vintage market and very liquid.
I agree all my old Kobe’s lebrons iversons Durants sgc slabs all comp very close to psa. Can’t say the same for modern but ya everything in the 90s and early 2000s prices hold pretty well
Can't wait to sub with SGC
I like how you put the prices up.
Thanks Jason! I thought it would be more fun that way.
Huge SGC fan wish they would sale for PSA amounts
Scottie thanks for posting the grade prices and short explanation, it's super helpful for a rookie like myself, pardon the bad pun, but one question I have is the differences you posted, in most cases doesn't that get eaten up by ebay and USPS costs? So my second follow up is why break even, assuming my aforementioned hypotheses is correct?
Very well-done video! Thanks for sharing the knowledge.
Hey Micheal, of course. Thanks for watching!
I got a $200 up charge from my last psa sub on one card. It wasn’t even a huge card Disappointed. I think I’m trying out SGC next time.
Greta video. Nice reveal.
I’m subbed!
That corner is a tough one
Wow, looking at the prices from 2 years ago makes me want to turn back time lol 😂
ANYTHING IS BETTER THAN PSA! THEY JUDGE CENTERING PISS POORLY HENCE WHY THEIR POPULAR!
Agreed
I will say that PSA is lenient on centering for sure which SGC has more weight on. PSA still brings more money so it's a hard thing to balance!
I have a Pete Alonso orange refractor rookie and it has a pretty deep print line from top to bottom. I am afraid it will grade lower than a 9. Still debating on SGC or PSA (when they open a lower tier).
Deep print lines will take you to an 8 maximum with PSA, I would honestly keep it raw if selling or keeping, unless you want to put a slab on it for protection
Did you say PSA charges $150 for relatively low value cards?
$150 is currently the best price that PSA offers for any of their grading. Later this year or early next year they will make it cheaper but for right now it is $150 for any card.
@@scottiebcards2354 Wow! That's crazy!
Thanks for sharing, I really enjoy grading returns. Would love to see the grading cost included in each diff. in raw/comps. Additionally, was your graded value based on solely SGC?
Hey thanks for watching!
Correct, my graded value was only on SGC sales! I should have clarified that better in the beginning.
@@scottiebcards2354 Thanks for the reply Scottie! I think SGC vs PSA/BGS/ETC resale value deserves its own video. I was honestly surprised by your comps -- they were higher than I expected. SGC is beginning to catch on as it was essentially the sole provider in the market for the past half year. Seems like the price is reflecting it.
@@iBcPirate no...,SGC was not the only grading company taking submissions the past 6 months.
HGA has been taking orders and they are smashing SGC values
Some of your raw prices are really low, like the Prizm Tatum RC, that card raw is going for around $75-$100. The raw Trae Young Prizm RC is normally going for around $50ish, and I think the Luka Hoops RC should be around $55-60.
Hey thanks for watching. When I made this video a week-a week and a half ago all basketball pricing was down. I was using the most recent sold comps according to 130point.com which shows accepted offer prices as well as bid pricing.
Sent in 3 StarStock “A” cards and got 2 9.5’s and one 10 with sgc
SGC is absolutely the top grading company. I will never submit my cards to PSA nor will i ever purchase a PSA slab. its gross what PSA is doing to the hobby. they need to get humbled.
Love you tell the price
Should you grade relic cards if they have old time stars on them. I have a Mantle patch card that I wanted to slab. Does slabbing it increase the value of patch cards?
IMO
No
People will want a gem mint r police card
What’s special about your card? The patch. And no one grades patches.
Now if it’s to keep and you’d like it in a slab yes they do that and you can ask or not ask for a grade
Hey Jeff I agree with Troy, any grade besides a 10 on a patch doesn't help them. The only value i see from this is for ascetics (people love graded cards) and protection. If it is an ultra rare card then it could be different but overall if you want to display it with less fear of damage grading is a great way to go!
From what I’ve noticed sgc,csg and Beckett seem to be harder grading companies than psa.eventually these other companies will start to catch psa
Where do you find prices for SGC graded cards? Do they take cards from the 90s?
The entire order together turned you a profit, but it was saved by one or 2 cards. Most of those cards you lost money on. I love SGC, but you have to research comps big time. Most 9’s are close to raw value. There are very specific cards that are actually worth sending, or you most likely will lose. I feel SGC is more of “collectors” grader, than an investors grader. Unless it’s high end vintage
You messed up some of the figures on your graded v. raw. Also, depending on where you’re selling (eBay?) you have to include their fees which would make your grading basically a bust.
Hey JR,
I am not sure which figures I messed up on. That may have just been in editing I slipped the wrong number in on accident, but all the numbers were from last comps sold through eBay.
Also, if I were to sell these through eBay fees would be $353.99 which still leaves me positive. Realistically though I would sell these through my social media platform or through myslabs where fees are much lower. Thanks for watching!
Those fees are taken raw or graded. So its a wash. He made more graded.
Absolutly... Price, consistency... and they dont do scams...
Interesting that some values stayed the same. I guess you just hang on to those and hope they go up.
Exactly. In some cases it is 9.5/10 or bust with SGC on modern cards. Thanks for watching!
Good lucky Scottie!
Solid results. Seems like not a lot of extra benefit except on the few basketball/football cards that hit 10s.
Do you feel like baseball is getting overly penalized on grading premium because base sets are generally larger (ie 800 cards fpr topps flagship versus 400ish for other sports)?
I never send in a card I think is less than a 10 to be graded unless it's a classic. Never understood folks sending cards to be graded that have shitty corners etc. Seems and is a waste of money and time in my opinion. Just my opinion of course. I get it's cool to have slabbed cards but the longer I've gotten cards graded the more I despise having any cards lower than a 9.5 because of the extreme difference of values below that number.
SGC just ruined my 1954 Topps Hank Aaron rookie card! They didn’t even encapsulate the card! I have proof of the cards condition. Any suggestions on what I should do?
Sheesh, that is terrible. I would reach out to their customer service. SGC usually takes care of the customers well. Good luck and I hope they get this fixed for you!
Love SGC personally, just stinks it doesn’t add value the same way. I use them for PC. Otherwise, just wait for PSA… even with your sub just now.
Nice Vid! If you have $100 to spend, which player would u invest in?
Of course! Thanks for watching. I like Juan Soto myself, but Luis Robert, Tatis Jr, Vlad, and others could all be good buys heading into next season.
When showing your pricing you need to deduct the grading price to show true difference in gain or loss.
Hey, I show the pricing of grading at the end. I can include it during as well next time. Thanks.
Nice info was hoping for Otani
Anytime. Thanks for watching!
In your raw price are you counting the Cost to grade ?
Remember selling fees also reduce profit margin.
Hey Mike,
I didn't include those in this video since I sell through multiple channels (eBay, Instagram, myslabs, facebook, blowout forums, ect) so due to that I didn't inclde fees since a lot of those places do not have fees. Thanks for watching!
LETS GO BUFFALO!!
Thanks for sharing brother
Of course. Thanks for watching Paul!
Scotty B
I like the video but I'm kinda thinking you might be in the market for a new group subber since your guy doesn't give any discounts. The subber I use does SGC for $26 per card
Good to know, I may reach out and see if I can use them. That would save almost $100 on an order this big. Thanks for the heads up!
@@scottiebcards2354 Boca Card Subs run by Eric Drew. You can find the group on Facebook
Quick question, i just started collecting and was wondering is ebay my best bet for selling off my good cards?
ebay is definitely your best bet
If they are high end cards eBay is the easiest place to move them. If they are already graded I would check out myslabs since their fee structure is much better!
I like the accuracy of SGC and I’d sub to them if they weren’t $30/card. The ROI just isn’t there and you’re losing money if you don’t 10.
Agreed, If this would have been my personal submission I would have been more strict on what I would have sent in. I have a video on my channel where I sent my own cards in and I did much better since I wanted a 10 or bust. Thanks for watching!
It's funny that I've got graded cards from PSA, BGS, CSG, and even ECG. But none whatsoever from SCG... Lol.
Give them a shot. They do a pretty good job IMO. Resale for anything less than a 9.5 isn't great, but they get the cards back to you quickly!
I have a Pete Rose rookie that's in really good shape. Do you guys think I should send this into SGC or PSA? Another question. If I submit it to SGC, Does it matter what I type in the declarer value?
A Rose RC, definitely send to PSA. Lucky you, that's worth a lot.
@@danielmcclorey6606 I was thinking SGC. They are so much cheaper and quicker turnaround. Will the resale value be that much more over SGC?
ill grade and slab it for you, $20!
@@lightseek88 Nice!
I absolutely love the trap card is it for sale?
Hey Anthony, I am assuming it is for sale yes! Shoot me a message on Instagram and I can get you connected with the owner
Most people will have sellers fees IE feebay myslabs etc. So once you incorporate that into your math you made SQUADOOSH!
Hey thanks for watching! eBay seller fees are 13% so if I apply that to my sales I lose 353.99 which means I still made an additional $80ish dollars by grading. If I go through myslabs that is me paying 4% (1% myslabs fees and 3% PayPal fees) which means I only lose $108.92 leaving me with about $300 in profit. While not ideal it still led to more money. I also sell a lot through my Instagram page which has no fees attached. Fees are apart of the game unfortunately but there are ways around them through Instagram, Blowout Forums, and Facebook. Thanks for the thoughts!
When you take in account the cost of grading some of these are not worth grading. If you paid the raw price.
Hey, thanks for watching. I agree with that. Luckily all of these cards were purchased for very cheap or pulled out of packs. None of these were bought at the high raw price. If these cards were bought at the higher price you would have seen a lot less of them sent in.
Yes, yes it’s worth it
I agree depending on the card of course. A lot of people still aren't SGC fans yet however.
Nice cards !!!!
Thank you!
Thought.....on psa and or comparing SGC...N PSA
Hey Gregory, i prefer PSA and BGS myself but also enjoy SGC. PSA will significantly outsell SGC for the short and midterm but the long term is hard to know for sure! Either way I think SGC deserves a spot in the market and their values should go up as they are respected more and more.
...and minus ebay fees, net = $0 or less
Hey Adam if I sell through eBay it definitely takes a chunk of my profits but I would still end up with an additional 130ish dollars. If I were to go through myslabs (1% fee) or social media there is plenty of money to be made. still a net positive!
Thanks for watching!
SGC is very very strict with their grades
Hey Patrick they are a good company. They definitely give fair grades. If a card is a 10 they will give it a 10!
@@scottiebcards2354 Don't get me wrong. I really like SGC precisely because they're strict. When you buy a 10 you know you're getting a 10. I've been buying a lot lately and am about to send off about 20 cards to be graded.
@@scottiebcards2354 Great content by the way. I love your channel and Mookie Betts is my favorite player too!
PSA staff have access to Marijuana Dispensary - they are influenced by this and Inconsistent. 💯 POOR
Does SGC provide a guarantee for over or under grading?
Hey Andrew, I am not sure unfortunately. I am sure their website goes over all their guarantees though!
Thank u that’s helpful
Anytime! Thanks for watching.
You have to remember to include the cost of grading.
At the end of the video I show my profit after grading fees 👍 the total order with shipping was $600. I deduct that from my profit of around 1k.
After u sell them on eBay takes 14% . It’s almost better to sell raw sometimes.
Get around that with MySlabs...
I agree with Todd here. MySlabs, Instagram, Facebook, Blowout Forums, and other places can help you get around the huge ebay fees.
its crazy to me that they give 10's on an off centered card
I’ve been wondering how to get cards graded but I’m just getting back into collecting and only have like 5 cards I want graded is it worth it to send in that many and how do I go about sending them in? Any info or tips would help.
Unless you have one that's worth a lot, you're spending a ton on fees, shipping, supplies etc,, You could take that money and buy graded cards on ebay, there's a lot of good deals out there now.
To expensive, I’m going with CSG
Modern cards
Have to get 1 gold pristine to pay for all the grading fees. Still beats PSA and BGS ransom fees
Trout… lol
Bad advice. After EBay fees and shipping you would have LOST money. That doesn’t even include your time.
Hey thanks for watching! eBay seller fees are 13% so if I apply that to my sales I lose 353.99 which means I still made an additional $80ish dollars by grading. If I go through myslabs that is me paying 4% (1% myslabs fees and 3% PayPal fees) which means I only lose $108.92 leaving me with about $300 in profit. While not ideal it still led to more money. I also sell a lot through my Instagram page which has no fees attached. Fees are apart of the game unfortunately but there are ways around them through Instagram, Blowout Forums, and Facebook.
Don’t waste your money on SGC modern
Seems to me its not worth grading smaller cards, unless you have an outlet to sell this stuff easily, but im willing to bet most of those cards wont sell easy. I think you card guys are better off just working a few hours of overtime at work lol
Their labels suck, look like a crappy xerox.
Pathetic all modern crap
Hey Mike, I understand vintage is a big part of the hobby, but so is modern. Modern cards are still valuable to a lot of people so there is a good reason to collect and sell them.
@@scottiebcards2354 yeah but guess what's going to happen in the future. I predict and all my predictions come true in the hobby been in the hobby since the 50s okay. You know most of the autographs are done by a machine in addition what's going to happen if it's going to turn into junk wax in 4-years everybody should sell sell sell invest in vintage which will never lose its value that's a fact you can check back with me in a little over four years until my self hey Mike I you were right and then I could say I told you so
Mike, I never said that wouldn't happen. If you watch my channel you would be aware that I constantly talk about the risks of over printing and over saturation in the modern sports card landscape. I am not the champion for modern cards that needs to be attacked here.
Modern is my favorite thing to collect, but I have a lot of vintage as well. People enjoy this part of the hobby and that is okay (even if it isn't what you enjoy). All I do is make UA-cam videos for fun and am in no way saying one way is better than the other. It is okay to collect modern, vintage, or a mixture of both.
@@scottiebcards2354 boy I just made $50 I told my friend you would get back to me after the last post so thanks for the free $50. Nobody's attacking you I'm entitled to my freedom of speech some people say I'm entitled to be a troll I say I'm entitled to educate you now see if you respond back
@@mikeaustin1323 you seem like a cool dude, id love to be your friend just to steal your vintage cards you adore so much and replace them with all modern, bhahaha.
Grading is a ripoff