Apologies that I missed adding the chapter markers when I first scheduled this one. It's all fixed now if you want to jump to a specific part of the video.
This was one of your best reviews Lachlan! The comparisons of the Empys and Susvaras were incredibly deep and well thought out. I think anyone looking to purchase any of these is much more well informed after watching this. You mentioned the Verite Open but you might want to give the VC a chance as well. Many people receive the VC more highly than VO and also treat the VC as the best closed backs on the market.
Thanks Ace! I do intend to give both the VO and VC a try. I always assume that open cans compete most directly with other open cans, but I definitely take your point. Cheers!
This is the most detailed review I ever seen. You can really explain what the headphone is even without the watcher never had listened to them. Congrats.
I got a pair of OG Clears for $500 used at the onset of CV19. If you save your pennies be patient and shop aggressively you will be able to find sweet deals out there.
A very thorough and in-depth review. I couldn’t agree more with EVERYTHING you’ve said. I own the Elites and they’re basically ‘PERFECT’ for lengthy & fun listening. There’s no can that’s more enjoyable to listen to than the beauty of the Elites!
Hi, Lachlan (aka 'Passion for Sound'): I really like your review of the Meze 'ELITE' and the way in which you go about comparing its sound to that of its predecessor, the 'EMPYREAN.' Comparing headphones is, by its nature, a very personal experience. I think you do an exemplary job of defining the differences you hear between and amongst the various headphones you cover in this review. Your approach to comparing headphones is, to me, exquisitely fair and balanced - you take the time to point out the many subtle differences which distinguish one make and design of headphone from another. You are truly a top-notch reviewer. You leave it up to us to decide what headphone we might prefer, because you encourage us to THINK about all the possibilities. I own the Meze ELITE and I am absolutely in love with it - it IS my headphone of choice now. Its all-around performance and musicality is hard to beat - and it reveals bad recordings for what they are: *bad recordings*. When you listen to really well-done recordings of all genres, from electronica to thumping-bass dance tracks all across the musical spectrum to vocals, rock, pop, jazz and even classical, all of it comes through excitingly on the ELITE. I also own a FOCAL CLEAR MG and the Japanese-made FINAL D-8000 Pro Edition headphones, both of which are also quite impressive-sounding in their own right. There is one more comment I want to add: *HOW* WE HEAR MUSIC OVER OUR HEADPHONES has a LOT to do with the EQUIPMENT we are using UPSTREAM of the 'phones themselves! I have recently become aware of the revival of an old-school DAC technology (R2R or LADDER DACS), which for the longest time have been overshadowed by the now ubiquitous chip-based Sigma-Delta DACS, which now make up nearly 100% of all DACS out there, with the exception of the dCS 'Bartok' RING DAC and the CHORD 'DAVE' - M-SCALER combo. Now all of these DACS are getting some very heavy competition from the HOLO AUDIO 'MAY' KTE DAC, a top-flight R2R DAC, which I now own. This DAC, when operated in its *NOS*, or Non-Over-Sampling, mode, is something you have to hear. It is a game-changer in how we are hearing DIGITAL audio. I will leave it at that for now, other than to say that listening to the Holo Audio MAY KTE R2R DAC over the MEZE ELITE headphones is a sonic revelation, which makes even ordinary Red-Book CDs sound so much more ANALOG and musical in quality! The MAY is best used with a CD TRANSPORT to get the most from CDs. The MAY DAC is also well-equipped to accept all forms of streaming audio inputs and formats, and can even decode true SACD audio natively, rather than as most DACS do, by first converting it to PCM - and THEN to analog.
So glad you're enjoying your Elites and my reviews. I actually wrote up my notes for a review of the Spring 3 KTE and May KTE last week, planning to record the review this week. You're absolutely right about how important the source chain is and the May with a suitably excellent headphone amp is fantastic as you say! 🙂
Happy to see that you've made a comparison of the Elite and Empyrean! Listening over the Empyrean after I've sold my motorbike to get these 5 months ago.;)) I've watched your review over the Empyrean over and over again along with Zeos' before pulling the trigger on a used Empyrean. Based on what you've said, I would definitely need a listening session with the Elite to see if I can hear much difference, but based on what you've said, I will stick with the Empyrean for now for sure, because the extra rumble from the base is very much welcome because the amount of EDM music I'm listening to and the games I'm playing need the extra boom.;)) I will try the upgraded cable. Thank you again!;))
Yes, the Elites are a great replacement so I don't regret selling the Empys, but I do miss them. The Elite are more polite and a bit less raucous when I want that, but I might have a good replacement for pure fun, bassy listening. It's not on the same technical or quality level, but lots of fun. Review very soon...
Had a chance to listen to both the Elite and Empyrean side by side, and I honestly preferred the original Empyrean. The major warmth is has gives it a unique and very pleasant sound, even the vocals has a warm tonal quality which is very pleasing. The Elite doesn't have that, and sounded kind of boring in comparison, even though it's more neutral. That said, the comfort and the design of both are still some of the best I've ever tried, and other headphone manufacturers need to take notes.
Hi Azu, not sure if you're asking me or JL. For me, I tend to appreciate the sound of lots of different headphones (kind of like enjoying lots of different foods - Chinese, Thai, Indian, Italian, etc.) I do have a permanent soft spot for a well tuned, warmer sounding headphone though particularly if it comes with a good sense of dynamics and detail through the midrange.
Thanks for this Lachlan. I used to write headphone reviews (for fun) & you’re my favourite audio reviewer on UA-cam. I prefer the Elite to the Utopia, I’ll be comparing the Elite to the LCD-5 soon.
@@PassionforSound I prefer the Elite to the LCD-4, Utopia, AB1266 Phi TC, LCD-5, HD 800S & Empyrean. It rivals the Susvara sonically but it has superior comfort & build and it’s £1400 less in the UK.
@@PassionforSound the Elite offers something quite rare in a flagship headphone, technicality & musicality. It strikes such a good balance between these 2 attributes. Technically the Susvara is slightly better but some people still find it too bright in the top end & it needs quite a bit of current to power & drive. The Elite is much easier to power too. And if people keep going on about resolution & detail, there are 30-40 year old Stax headphones that retrieve more detail than any planar. At any price.
I definitely support your decision. My Empyreans are for sale and haven't sold yet and I'm seriously considering keeping them and selling other gear instead...
1266 Phi TC is alot of fun as well. Extremely chain picky so you need to spend big $$ to get they synergy right. The Emps are much more flexible and budget friendly.
I agree with you on burn-in... I bought a pair of HE6 SEv2 and they were terrible out of the box. Once I gave them a week or so burn in ~20 hours of play... It started to loosen up and the base filled in which was before a roll-off and slightly hollow sound. It also wasn't psychological burn in because I would a-b-c several of my headphones and could easily detect the problem early on.
Yeah, it seems to all depend on the headphone. I've had lots of pairs where I've noticed no change at all, but the Aryas and now the Elites had significant change over time.
I had same problem! Only I returned my He6sev2 the next day and didn’t bother with burning them in lol I even did open grill mod but even then they were too hollow as you described
Very informative review. Thanks. For the money, if I wanted more warmth and emotions than the Senn 800S but not top heavy bass, the Meze E or the Elite? Thanks in advance.
I have had a dream since I was 16 years old to own a High-End stereo at some point in my life, I have had several very nice and good-sounding systems, but have always had to compromise, I am now 66 years old and my financial situation has never been better, so I have decided to go all in on a headphone equipment, what it will be is still an open question, but it is leaning more and more towards Meze Empyrean or Elite.
The Elites are probably the safest bet in this game, Kent. Based on my discussions with people here and in my Patreon Discord server, the Elites are rarely disliked and almost always loved
Thank you so much for this amazing review. I had the opportunity to try out the Elite for myself yesterday and rewatched this review and was in awe of how well you captured and described the nuances of the sound and what the Elite represents. I will add that I was initially really disappointed with the Elite when paired with a Shanling EA5 alone. The headphone sounded a bit lazy and the separation was so exaggerated that the band members didn’t seem like they were playing as a band and that they had all just rolled out of the bed. When we added a fairly large tube amp (don’t recall the name) after the EA5, it fixed most of the problems, but I am not looking for such a space consuming setup. I then tried the Elite with a Shanling M9 DAP. The sound was pretty great but lacked a bit of punch, highs and energy. We then added a Cayin C9 into the mix and that’s when I felt like I got to experience the sound that you had so articulately described in the video. I am new to the hobby so am looking for my first set of equipment. I am now pretty much sold on the Elite and the Cayin C9 but do not want to get a DAP that might become unusable in a couple years when it becomes unsupported and cannot be updated. Do you have any DAC recommendations to pair with the Elite and the Cayin C9? Any reason why I should steer away from the C9? While portability is not that import to me, I do have very limited desktop space, so the small size of it is definitely a huge plus for me. Thanks for everything! PS - I also got to test the silver cable v the copper so will be leaving a message under that video as well.
So glad to hear that my descriptions translate well! As for a potential setup for you, a DAC like the EarMen Tradutto could work well if you're limited on space. I'm in the process of reviewing it at the moment, but it's very nice. The Schiit Bifrost 2 is another excellent option, but a little bigger overall. I'd choose the Bifrost 2 for pure sound quality, but the Tradutto is also very good and has a few more features.
Thank you!! I will check out those DACs. Any thoughts on the Cayin C9 or other amp I should look into? I really loved the 4 sound options on the C9 (tube/solid state and class A/AB combos) with elite. All very usable and enjoyable in their own right, but can’t help thinking whether I can find something I like better for the price (USD2000) as I just started testing amps.
I haven't tried the C9, but it looks like a pretty cool amp. For the same money (or less) you could get a great amp like a Burson Soloist 3XP or a Sparkos Labs Aries (base version), but I can't say how they'll compare, they're much larger and they don't have the multiple modes.
I like cayin Iha 6 and Topping D90SE for my Empyrean. Sounds noticeably better than ifi idsd signature or dx7 pro+a90 combo. I use the silver meze cable btw. Clarity bass nothing is compromised
Do you think the Susvara bass could improve and get closer to elite if using the made for susvara ef1000 amp? It seems that the better the amp, the better the susvara you’ll here. What amp were were you using for susvara? And what amp for elite? Thanks!
The tunings of these two are vastly different - well beyond what an amp could/should change. The Susvaras definitely benefit from the right amp pairing, but will never match the bass from the Elites - they have their own strengths though
Again a great review. Thanks. I do have the same problem with the shallower hybrid pads. One ear is touching slightly the grill :-( Annoying for me. But there seems not to be many Elite listeners having the same issue...
Great review, thank you very much! Is a cable upgrade recommended and if so, would the copper or silver upgrade cable from Meze be better with the Elite?
I still think it's worth adding the upgrade cable to these and I've got the silver so that's the only one I can recommend from experience. They don't need the upgrade cable as strongly as the Empyrean, but I do still think it's worth it. 🙂
Awesome review mate!! very well detailed and concise. Loved your Comparisons. If possible please do a review of the new announced xdsd gryphon (1w @32ohm).
Thanks a lot for all your thourough reviews, do you think a small DAC like the EarMen Sparrow can move and be a good pairing with a Meze Empyrean/Elite headphones, have you tried the pairing?
I’m considering the Elites and the LCD-5s for mixing/mastering EDM. I want to love the Elites because of comfort, but bot sure whether they can be relied on for mixing mastering for best translation onto other devices vs the LCD-5. What would be your comment on this? I am also worried about many reviews stating that the resolution on the LCD-5s are objectively better…? Is this your experience? Are the LCD 5s that much better that it would matter in a mixing/mastering/music production context? Thanks for your time!
I certainly don't feel like the LCD-5s are more resolving. I think their tuning just focuses you more on the details. As for mixing/mastering with Elites, they're a little more coloured in their tuning, but the LCD-5 has its own colourations with the rolled-off bass and midrange emphasis so I actually think you'd need to adapt a bit to either headphone. The LCD-5 is closer to a monitor sound though so I think that's why it's a more obvious mixing/mastering choice. In other words, I would be happy using either for mixing/mastering and think both need some adaptation to ensure the mix sounds right on other gear.
@@PassionforSound Thank you very much Lachlan. Couldn't have asked for a better answer. It's difficult to judge this when you don't have both on hand to listen to them yourself. And there's always EQ if I want to force a more "neutral" sound, and I expect that because the resolution of the LCD-5 and the Meze Elites are within the same sphere (which you've confirmed for me), and since many state that the LCD-5s respond well to EQ, that would me the same for the Elites. Definitely going to go for the Elites! Thanks for the excellent content and for your thoughtful response.
Hi. Another great review. Like most things hi fi, when you take home only 1 pair, would you be very very happy with the Empryrean over the Elite? Cheers
If I wasn't comparing them or didn't have the choice on hand, I'd be 100% happy with the Empyreans. In fact, I still miss them having had to sell them to fund the Elite purchase. I dont regret the sale, but I do miss the headphones
Would you say they are in between the SennH 800S and the closed back Focal Radiance? Less harsh and more bass then the 800s but not as warm and closed as the Focal Radiance? Thanks
I haven't heard the Radiance - sorry! The Empyreans are definitely a very warm headphone - much more than the HD800S. The Alcantara pads reduce the bass a bit, but I wouldn't recommend them for someone looking for something just a bit warmer than the HD800S. The Elites are more in that territory.
Thank you for such excellent review(s). Could you please elaborate on which one would consider the best for listening to classical music: the susvara or the utopia, and why?. I understand you consider the susvara better than the elite or empyreans, from what you say in the video. But i wonder what about comparing the susvara and the utopia, more so given tbe utopia has some qualities in between the susvara and empyrean or elite. And when i say the best i mean regarding enjoyment and being able to follow all parts and instruments....like being in a real concert at tbe front rows. Or are they both very close and not worth changing one for the other if one owns one if them?. As an aside, and after watching this and some other of your videos regarding those headphones i mention, i wonder how one headphone can be more enjoyable and musical (thecempyrean or thevelite), but have less detail than the other...i would say that the one presenting the most details would sound as in real life, and that ought to be the more enjoyable and musical....otherwise those details maybe have to be somewhat artificial....i'd appreciate if you vould clarify this to me....thanks again for such excellent and sincere reviews.
That's a hard one to answer about the Utopia vs Susvara because I don't own the Utopia anymore. What I can tell you is that the Susvara is wider and less deep while the Utopia presents more depth and less width (if that changes anything for you). The other thing is that the Susvara is a flatter overall response which generally results in better and more even coverage of all frequencies coming from an orchestra so I'm guessing the Susvara would be my choice, but I can't say for certain. Have you checked my Susvara and Utopia reviews? They might provide further clarity that I'm forgetting. As for enjoyment of less detailed headphones, it's all about tonality. For critical or focussed listening, detail can be important, but when I'm just looking to enjoy music without being absolutely focussed on it, I find the tonality of the headphone is the biggest factor. Many detail-oriented headphones are tuned a bit brighter than what I think of as natural so my favourites are often a little smoother and warmer.
@@PassionforSound Thank you for your response. Yes i viewed your reviews of the utopia and susvara. But if i recall correctly the utopia was made when you had not listened the susvara yet. In theutopia obne you said it was thebest or one of the best, andin the susvara more or less similar, or that it was almost perfect. And that the uopia was a sort of middle ground between the empyrean and the susvara leaning more to the empyrean, with a romantic tonality....THat's why i wanted a more direct comparison between the two. So if you do not have theutopia, i understand you have sold it in the end, since i think you said in the utopia review you owned it, and you were hesitating in keeping the clear, selling the empyrean for the elite, and also somethign about you were thinking maube selling the susvara as well... What has happened in the end? maybe you sold the utopia and kept the susvara? Any comments on what was your thought process fro whatever yu decided to keep and sell?. SO i wonder if the susvara is the one more neutral ( imean natural sounding as in real life) or more colored for detail, if else the emyrean or elite are the more natural, or that warmish characteristic is another form or coloration, and the same with the utopia. I heard the utopia only, and i find it uncanny on the realism of thevoices and details....but i suspect it is maybe a bit unnatural on some way....becasue when i listen to natural sounds (I think, maybe wrongly, thiscould be a way to know how realistic the reproduction is, since we all know how natural sounds are, instead of instruments or certainconcert which we dont exactly know....it was a sound on the internet site about testing headphones ( i do notrecall now but i may look it up) about a knocking on a wooden door...the utopia sounded a tiny bit too woody to be natural maybe... I wonder then if the susvara is a much better headphone for natural sounding, or if the emyrean or elite are...THey are so expensive it has to be just one, if any,...not all three...Thanks again
You're right about the Utopia review happening before the Susvara review so that does make it a bit tricky. I think your summary is really accurate though in that the Utopia is wonderful for vocal music, but a little bit coloured in general which can be both good and bad depending on the recording, genre, etc. If you're looking for the more natural/neutral option, the Susvara is it IMO. That's the reason I kept the Susvara and sold the Utopias - the Susvara is more versatile and great with just about everything if you have a good amp for it. You don't need a speaker amp, but I find it sounds best with amps that have a full and weighty sound. A good tube amp can be wonderful or something like the Sparkos Labs Aries.
I don't believe so. It has sufficient power, but its sound is quite flat and unengaging. For a headphone on the level of the Susvara, I think it's false economy to use an amp below something like the Sparkos Labs Aries, Burson Soloist GT, GS-X Mini/Mk2, etc.
So many good headphones, so little money. I’m just being offered the Empyrean and the Elite and I am torn now, again! Going to try lottery this weekend and when alls good, I’ll get the Elite and the Susvara… of then there’s more DACs, more amps… Lachlan, if I buy just either of these, Empyrean, Elite and Susvara, I should go for the Elite?
I do think the Elite is the best balance of performance and enjoyment. It's great for relaxing listening or focussed listening so yes, that would be my choice.
Your reviews are always a joy to listen to. Both informative and entertaining. However, in regards to the Elite & Susvara comparison you said the comfort difference was around 5%. So if the comfort of the Elite is a 10/10 would the Susvara be a 9.5/10? 9/10? What does the Elite do that just edges it above the Susvara?
I find both are excellent, but the Elite just conforms a bit more to the head and feels more snug, not as in tight, but just a perfect fit. I think the pad design (shape and materials) plus the pre-curved headband are the reasons the Elites are slightly more comfortable
@@PassionforSound That definitely makes sense with the earpad design and pre-curved headband; especially since all reviewers are saying the Elites/Empyreans are the most comfortable headphones ever. At least the Susvara is still considered very comfortable from both you and other reviewers.
Very nice review as always 💪🤗 for me 1266 tc is a possible upgrade from Empyreans, the same kind of guilty pleasure with performance dialed to 11 and a bit of quirkyness.
@@PassionforSound make sure you give yourself at least 2 weeks to set them up for your preference and try them on different amps. They are really transparent and on top of that change the sound depending on angle and amount of driver damping / resonance you apply.
Thank you for the great review! I just purchased the Elite myself and I found the same burn-in issue which I found kind of odd. Now, though the Elite is sounding really nice! Thank you for answering my question about the Empyrean leather pads on the Elite. I do like both the Hybrids and the Alcantara. They're both great for different things. What amps and DACs did you use? Did you use the TT2? Also, did you use the Meze silver upgrade cable, and if so what did you think and how did it add to the Elite? Thanks again for the great review!
Glad it's not just me experiencing the burn-in on these! I mostly use the TT2 with the Elites, but also the Soloist 3XP, Soloist GT and Sparkos Labs Aries with TT2, Schiit Yggy OG or whatever other DACs I'm testing for review. I've tried a few cables with the Elites, but the Meze silver cable is a great match
The Empys are definitely more visceral at the expense of some detail and resolution. Having owned both, I do think the Elites are the one to own, but if you could have both, they're surprisingly complimentary
@@PassionforSound Thank you for the reply! I've been on a "visceral kick" if you will, so bad that I've gone back to the stock cable they came with over the copper upgrade cable. Also fun fact, they have new "angled alcantara" pads that are worth a look if you ever are looking for something to check out :) Thanks for the great videos again!
There’s a couple of elites for sale on eBay au. For about 4K or best offer. Only a few months old. Makes you wonder why they’re being sold that quickly.
That is a bit strange. No headphone is perfect for everyone though and they've also been out a while now so it could also be a case of gear acquisition syndrome and someone needing their next fix 😉
If you get them, I’d advice the upgraded silver or silver coated OFC cable. I have the Utopia also. It’s almost like what the Utopia should’ve been. Or, almost what’s described with the Elite, with silver dragon cable.
I agree about the silver plated cable from Meze - it's a very special cable. As for the Empy vs Elite as a better buy, it's such a personal preference thing. My Empys are leaving me today and I'm very sad to see them go because I'll miss their fun factor, but the Elite are a more all-round headphone with better technicalities and still a very enjoyable sound.
I would love to have you do a comparison of the Elite with either or both of the Abyss Diana V2 or Diana TC. I know that is a huge ask. Hopefully some one sees this and helps it happen. Great review, thank you.
@@PassionforSound I will be honest, it will take a significant financial windfall for me to ever purchase one of those. Although I know it would be worth every penny. I got a good deal on Anandas two years ago. I have them with the IFI Zen Dac and a Douk tube amp that I got a really good deal on. My realistic plan is to get the Xduoo MT-604. Then upgrade to the Audeze LCD-XC 2021. I love what I have now but I the reviews I have seen have me very interested in the Audeze. Spending $2,000 American in upgrades seems reasonable. I follow a lot of UA-cam reviewers and try to average out the reviews to get the best sense of what to expect from a product. I will say your reviews carry the most weight. I really like how you presents things and feel like I really learn the most about a product. I just recently found you and have been going back to watch a lot of your previous reviews. Thank you again and we’ll done or good on you.
So glad I've been helpful for you! Your upgrade path sounds like a very rewarding one. Best wishes for the journey and I hope you'll continue to share it with me 🙂
Unfortunately it's very difficult for me to get Audeze gear due to the local distributor so no promises on that one, but through no lack of my interest to share it with you all
Hi Lachlan! Thanks for the review, quite useful as I am trying to decide between the Empyrean and Elite. By the way, I own a TT2 (and MS), what adapter do you normally use to connect the Meze upgrade balanced cable to the TT2? (ie. balanced splitter from the 6.35 front jack, or adhoc cable from the XLR outputs on the back?). I could not find any reference within your list of gear. Thanks for your help, and please keep on posting such good reviews.
I've done testing of using the rear XLR sockets and there's no benefit at all so I stick with the front sockets. I've got adapter cables from Forza Audio Works and Aurealis Audio. Both are excellent - high quality copper litz cables. As for the Empy vs Elite decision? That's a tough one. I feel like the Elites never leave me wanting, but the Empys occasionally had me wishing for extra detail/clarity. The Empyreans ARE more fun, but I don't find myself wishing for that when using the Elites because they're incredibly enjoyable in their own way.
@@PassionforSound Thanks for the additional explanations on the testing methodology and the adapter cables, not to mention your final recommendation. Really appreciated!
@@PassionforSound Excellent review, by the way. I read on the comments that you sold your Empys now. Is the bass on the Elite's still very good as well? I'm having a hard time deciding which one to buy next 😄
Personally, I don't think so. You'll never really hear what they're capable of from a 789. Something like a Singxer SA-1 would be a good start, but these are flagship headphones so if generally recommend that people eventually pair them with some top notch gear. No reason you can't enjoy them with the 789, but the expense would be wasted if you don't plan to upgrade the amp later.
Oops. So you were. Even so, I'd aim higher for a headphone of that level. The THX technology measures well, but I find it limits the dynamics and spatial cues of the music.
How about Meze Elite vs. HiFiMAN Arya Stealth? Juding by your comparisons of Susvara To Meze Elite and Arya Steath, they could be close competitors in terms of sound.
The Meze Elite are in the same performance tier as the Susvara so the Arya SE are a clear step below. I really like the Aryas, but they don't ever really compete with the Elites or Susvaras for listening time when I'm choosing headphones for pure enjoyment. I think I compared the Aryas to the Elites in my Arya review, but I might be wrong on that one.
Ah, that's right. The Empys still had technical ability beyond the Aryas though and the Elites are better again so that gives you a good sense of the gap between the Arya and Elite. I hope you enjoy the audition!
@@PassionforSound I have finished auditioning recently. Meze Elite are too dark for me and I prefer Aryas. But... seller showed me Abyss Diana TC. That sound was simply amazing. I am going to buy soon.
Thank you! I shared this with my patrons as a bonus and completely forgot to do my usual steps for the title, description, etc. and then rushed it once I realised. 😳
Nice Review again :) I just invested the most I have ever paid for a piece of Hi-fi in the form of a (second hand) DTS Bartok. This transformed the Empyrean's into a much more technically proficient; detailed headphone. You expect that of course with a DAC at that silly price but it shows how capable they can be. I can hear each and every instrument so clearly (separation) without losing any of that lovely fun, warm meaty sound. It's very impressive. They have never sounded so good. That said; I am still looking for a second pair of headphones on a slightly higher technical level (once my Bartok is paid off) and am interested in these Elite's...especially as they retain most of the character of the Empy's that we know and love. Incidentally the guy I bought the Bartok from had the Utopia's and I also found them occasionally a little harsh in the treble. I also found them less comfortable to wear. I am using a Feliks Audio Euphoria AE Tube as a Headphone Amp as these Meze's seem to love tubes. Did you try the Elite's through your tube amp at all?
Nice purchase! I'm yet to try a Bartok, but I've seen and heard good things about it. The Elites are also great with tubes. I've used them with the Mainline and TU-8200R and they suit both very well. Other than the Susvara, the Elites are the most technically proficient headphone I've tried (Utopia falls a touch short because of the treble)
@@PassionforSound yes it will take me a while to pay it off but it is jaw dropping. The sound I can only describe as purely analog; it does not sound like a DAC at all. It made the Empyreans better in every way. Detail and instrument seperation especially went to a new level. The Susvaras I will try and demo too as they are definitely on the shortlist too. Having listened to quite a few of the items you have reviewed your description of the sound is always bang on. Keep up the good work. Cheers from the UK.
@@PassionforSound just bought the Elite's... A great improvement over the Empyrean's in every way. To my ears I don't experience the trade off you mention away from the "Fun" either. They are extremely addictive and have a really impressive tonality. I just want to keep listening track after track. I was concerned I would actually miss that Empyrean Bass Bloat as I love my bass but...nope - the bass is absolutely still there just a lot cleaner. I'm very impressed! Good Track to hear them at their best is "Madness" By "Muse" - it's so smooth but clear on these. Incidentally, I prefer the Meze Copper Upgrade cables as I thought the Silver Plated upgrade cables did add a little (not much but a little) brightness for me. Thanks again for the informative review :) All the best from the UK.
So glad you're enjoying the Elites! I do still miss the Empyreans a bit, but it will come down to personal taste as to where the "fun" line is for each person. For what it's worth, I use the Elites pretty much daily which is a testament to the enjoyment I take from them too. So glad you're having fun!
I am very curious about how these compare to the Hifiman HE1000se. I've just listened to all the tracks you've mentioned on these and they all sound spectacular - both fun and technically briliiant.
Hi! I just found your channel a couple of days ago and have been watching many videos since, and have decided to purchase the Elites. I'm looking to find a good DAC/Amp to use for the headphones, I understand your current choice would be the TT2, which is just currently out of reach, but something I can look forward to in the future as well as the M-Scaler. I was looking at the DO200 and the HO200 combo mainly because I'm a big fan of the appearance, and also your review in saying you'd likely purchase the combo over the D90/A90 combo in terms of value. Do you think the DO200/HO200 would be a sufficient pairing for the Elite? I'm willing to spend more if the combo won't deliver everything the headphones are capable of. What else would you recommend as a great starting DAC/Amp for the Elites?
Welcome to the channel, Dominic! The DO200/HO200 would be fine, but you won't get the most from the Elites. If you want a matched stack though, you'd have to go for something like the Soloist 3XP and Composer from Burson. If you're happy to mismatch the stack, some good DAC options are the Chord Qutest, SMSL DO200 or Schiit Bifrost 2. For the amps, I'd go for the Rebel Amp, Singxer SA-1 or Burson Soloist 3XP. You'll still get a major upgrade with the TT2, but those products will all get you well on your way with the Elites.
@@PassionforSound I only just realized I hadn't responded. I know this is long overdue, but just wanted to reach out with a very heartfelt, thank you! After going over your other reviews, I ended up going with the Burson Soloist 3XP and paired it with the Chord Qutest and have been loving the sound of the Elites this past year. Thank you so much for the time you take for these thorough reviews! They've helped so much in making a comfortable decision, especially without ever truly hearing the other options. You're very much appreciated!
I haven't heard the Clear MG, but I have owned the original Clear and the Utopia and I'd say from that experience that the difference will be significant (i.e. big)
G'day Lachlan. I've got a pair of Anandas. I was wondering, if let's say the best headphone you've heard is a 10/10, where would the Ananda be? 8 maybe?
Hi! If the best is a 10, the Anandas are probably around a 7 which is still very good because you have to allow space for products like the Arya (around 8), Utopia, Empyrean or Verite Open (around 9 and all very different) and then the kings like the Elite and Susvara
This may seem like a crazy ask but I am stuck as to what headphone or IEM to get next. I am thinking for headphone it may be the Meze Elite and for IEM the FIR Radon 6. I have tried multiple high end headphones but no high end IEM's. Could you possibly compare your experience with high end headphones Vs high end IEMs? I have an Xduoo XD05 pro and Chord mojo 2 the XD05 pro being my favourite. I guess one of my concerns would be the FIR Radon 6 with the XD05 pro do you think the audible hiss would come through on those? I know you have tried everything I have mentiond and I would really appreciate your opinion. I understand you may not have tried these combinations together.
I actually own and love both of the headphones and IEMs you're considering. I can't comment on the Rn6 with the XD-05 Pro, but I can tell you that they sound magic with the Mojo 2. I'd probably go with the Mojo 2 for the IEMs and save the XD-05 Pro for the headphones. As for the experience of using both, the IEMs won't give you the soundstage size of the headphones, but are equivalently as good in every other way and might be even better tuned than the Elites.
@@PassionforSound Thanks for your response. Some say the detail retrieveal is better with IEMs, what is your opinion and do your prefer headphones or IEMs at the higher price points? You are one of my go to audio reviewers and I am sure many others appreciate your willingness to help people by responding to your comments like I do. I think it's a great quality that you have over many other reviewers. Thanks again
@bryce74 that's a good point about detail retrieval and I generally agree that, dollar-for-dollar, IEMs will outperform headphones in that respect, but it comes at the expense of soundstage size and the ability to throw sounds beyond the confines of the head. P.S. glad I can help 🙂
They're very different headphones so you'll never really get them that close with cable tweaks (or any tweaks that I can think of). For context, all of my testing of the Elite and Empyrean used the Meze SPC upgrade cable.
I think these headphones have some striking similarities to the Final audio D 8000 or maybe even the D-8000 Pros. ;) Warm and relaxed. Very fun listen. I love it personally.
@@PassionforSound After a week. I am now happy with the elites!! Not sure if it was burn in or my brain adjusting to the new sound. Wow these are good headphones, sound great on my feliks euforia otl
Lachlan, I’d noticed you have more headphones hanging on the wall behind you. I believe you kept those headphones for a reason, at least. What headphones are on your wall permanently and what’s your reason of keeping them?
Yes, the collection has definitely grown over the years. The headphones I keep are for 2 reasons (and many align with both): 1) they are a headphone that I enjoy listening to 2) they represent a good benchmark at the price and style (i.e. open, closed, dynamic, planar) so I keep them as a comparison point for future reviews
@@PassionforSound thank you for replying. I believe you have a lineup of reviews keeping you busy already. Just an idea here, perhaps you can do a “what’s on my wall” and the reasons I keep them video? For me, I started from lower end and then to having a variety ie. Each headphone sounds different. Now that I know my preferences. I aim to get the next level headphone of the sound I prefer after I sell one from what I have such as selling the Clear MG first then I’ll get a Meze Empyrean or Elite or ZMF Atrium or VO/VC. It’s the same with my DACs. First I get a variety with different chips, then I sell to get the next DAC. So now that the Topping D90SE is sold, I am going for an R2R, probably a Gustard R26.
I do have a huge queue already, but I think what you're looking for (sort of) is the headphone tier list I did recently which includes every headphone in my collection 🙂
IMHO the Arya V2 are the better sounding of the two (natural, immersive, engaging in a fairly unique way), while the Elite has the better build quality. Both of the are extremely comfortable to wear. Similar things may apply to the Arya Stealth.
I'll probably never hear any of these headphones as they are way out of my league. That said I really enjoy your reviews you certainly do a lot of reasurch. Keep up the good work
You're the best headphone reviewer right now!! I m so like to watch your chanel a lot. I would like to ask you one question now i have Meze Emperean and still looking for amp pairing now i interesting in Fiio K9 pro or Shanling EM5 or Violectric V280 what about your opinion could you please recommend me. Thank you so much.
Glad you're enjoying the reviews. Of those options, I would go for the V280 I think. You need to give the Empyreans a good source to really hear what they're capable of so definitely aim high to hear their best.
Hey thanks for this review. I currently own the Empyrean and have really gone back and forth on selling them for the Elite’s. I really really love the Empyrean’s for the music they match well with, however for the music they don’t it’s been a bit of a let down. But something you said in your review, there is no perfect headphone and you will always compromise this for that has helped finalize my decision. Rather than replacing the Empyreans for a “perfect” headphone I’m going to keep them and add a more detailed focused headphone to my mix and just switch between the 2 as appropriate for the music. For detailed listening I am going with the Diana V2 from Abyss, I would of gone HIFIman HE1000V2 but I do not like the way HIFIman headphones feel on my face. Again great review, and thanks for informing my purchase decision!
@@PassionforSound Bit of an update: the pads on the Diana V2s did not agree with my head. I tried in every position and it was just not possible to find a consistently "great" or even "good" sounding rotation of the pads. So I ended up returning and getting the Hifiman HE1000SE's. I had owned a pair of Hifimans in the past and didn't care for how low the pads went on my face but this issue appears to be reduced with the HE1000SE's. Very very happy with them, they sound fantastic and def fill the detail void that my Empyreans have with some music, no shade intended I still love my Empyrean's :-).
Those are the Avantree bamboo stands. I've got a link down in the description. I love them because they've got a gentle recess in the base where you came rest the cable and the headphone sits high enough that there's no pressure on the cable plugs.
@@PassionforSound Ah I see the link now, sorry didn't look close enough before. Thanks for the reply. I have that problem with the cable plugs hitting the desk with my current stand, these Avantree one's look great - and it's a relief to see they're not 'audiophile' prices either ;)
My heart/wallet sank when I saw these babies. I love my Empys but I did think it needed some tweakings so the Elite is both a heaven and a demon spawn for my wallet
@@JIMBOPHRENIC69 I'm seeing them go for $1750 - $2100 on headfi. So you will have a chunk to cover the difference. Perhaps give it a year and you'll get used for used and the price discrepancy may drop.
I use lots of amps to test headphones and generally only call it out if there's a specific synergy that's good or bad, but I would have used the TT2 for the bulk of my testing on this one
First and foremost, love your videos man keep it up! I’ve had a chance to compare the Elites to the empyreans locally and the difference was huge to my ears. The elites felt much more present and full, and lifelike to me vs the empys. I was also able to audition a few Audezes and focal before and the Elites were just everything that I could want from a set of cans. I’ve placed my order and will be receiving them this week from Crutchfield, super stoked. I have a K5pro ESS I will pair to, any lower budget amp/dac combos you would recommend or will the K5 get me where I want to be comfortably? Thanks again for your time and work on your content!
So glad you liked the content and even more happy that you got to try the Elites and that you love them! The K5 should be fine, but I would aim to upgrade in the future so you can get more out of the Elites as they'll have a lot more to give with better source gear. Something like the EverSolo DAC-Z8 or Burson Conductor would be a good option as an all-in-one, but if you can go even further in the future, the Chord Hugo 2 (or TT2) or the Burson Conductor 3GT are all amazing with the Elites.
@@PassionforSound thank you so much for your reply! The elites are amazing, and your reviews essentially sealed the deal for me on them. The pure listening experience is fantastic and I’m loving them even paired to the K5 pro ESS. Thanks again my friend!
I disagree on that one and I'm in the process of building a library of measurements to see if it's provable. I've never really experienced it with any significance in the past (which I would have if it were brain burn-in), but both the Arya stealth version and Elites changed significantly.
Did you drive susvara with bottlehead mainline? That won't do it justice brother. Repeat the comparison on a powerful class A SS amp and I think you might be surprised.
@@PassionforSound Cool man. By the way if you are on discord join us on the Sonic Visions server. Great audiophile server and would be honored to have you.
Thank you. I'd love to, but I'm already flat chat with comments here and also my Patreon Discord server. I could join, but I'd honestly very rarely visit due to lack of time.
Passionate review. But I don't get one thing. You say that Meze claims that this is an entirely new headphone. But then you say the build is the same except for the color. You say it's a "totally different headphone" at 2:55. Then you say the driver has been redesigned 9:15, but then at 11:08 you say the driver is also just subtly, subtly different. My guess is that Meze are lying about this being a "completely new headphone". Just like they got the branding all wrong. This is not an Empyrean they say, but their very own box says, literally, "Empyrean Elite". This is a totally new headphone, they say, but they just changed the color and subtly adjusted the driver. WTH... the amateurism of the company is enough to put one off.
Sorry if it got a bit unclear. Let me step it out... Meze are branding it as a whole new model The chassis, headband design, etc. are all identical except the colour The driver is a new design using the original Empyrean principles with some tweaks The initial print run of the cases DO say Empyrean Elite, but this was either an error or has been changed from a marketing/branding perspective since the initial print run. Reproducing all those cases would be way too expensive and really not a big deal anyway So, it's a newly designed headphone building on a strong foundation of the Empyrean, but improving on it. Meze are definitely not an amateurish company either - they're one of the most professional headphone manufacturers I've come across in terms of their communications, the R&D behind their products, the build quality, etc. One printing error or late change of branding doesn't represent them at all.
And then you have Crinacle saying "Meze is Goodn't." Can anyone who owns these comment on the divide among reviewers over these ? It seems more pronounced than any other headphone these days.
That review / roundup is way to broad IMO and shouldn't be considered a good reference. The Lirics are a headphone with a very distinct presentation so I definitely understand the division they've created.
@@PassionforSound A lot of people in this hobby seem to equate analytical/detail heavy headphones as the only price to performance ratio worth mentioning. Anyway, thanks for not going that route~
I agree and I think it's a shame. To use Crin's food analogy approach, it's like saying that pasta is the only good food and that BBQ or Chinese or pizza are all bad.
Although there are things I really like about them, I find them impossible to wear for longer periods of time due to the high weight and uneven pressure distribution. Sigh...
@@PassionforSound I got budget from 50 to 150 dollar and I like rich and warm/bassy sound...and I can't compromise from the resolution I use usb audio player pro for streaming music!!
I'd see if you can pick up a pair of Ikko OH10 IEMs. They're the best I've heard in doing exactly what you're describing. I've also just received the CSN CCA24 which might be a good option too.
I don't understand reviewers' notion that hearing every orchestral instrument is a good thing. It's absolutely fake, and can only be done because of technology. If you sit in the front row at a concert hall there is no way you will hear every instrument. Worse, you'll hear individuals near you totally ruining the balance of string sections. Classical music is meant to be heard at a distance. That's the difference between acoustic and electric/electronic music. The hall is a part of the experience.
Silver Dragon helped mine open up & become closer to perfection. Sounds almost like the description here as the Elite, but, mids SLIIIIGHLTly withdrawn & bass very powerful (tighter with cable).
@@G-entleManAndScholar I have the silver dragons. My speaker system is revealing and yes, it’s true that there is no hiding place for badly recorded music but I find the Empyreans so unforgiving it renders a lot of my collection a no go area. Does any of that ring true for you? Thanks
I'm surprised to hear you're finding the music flat and lifeless from the Empyreans. Is it a lack of brightness or something else and what amp are you driving them with?
@@PassionforSound Hi Lachlan, my setup is: Innuos Zenith mk3 digital transport > Innuos USB Reclocker > Chord M Scaler > Chord TT2 > Elac Adante Speakers. Your excellent videos helped push me over the line with the Chord products and certainly no regrets there! With the Empyreans, there’s a thinness and I guess a distance, I often don’t get the depth. I know there is nothing wrong with the headphones because other tracks sound phenomenal. Thriller sounds amazing for one but lesser recordings can really suffer. I think I’ve got a pretty revealing system and while it’s certainly true that poor recordings suffer to some degree when played through the Elacs, it’s only really relative to the unbelievable sound I get from others. It never becomes like I don’t want to listen. With the Empyreans i do have music I just don’t want to listen to. Thanks, keep up the good work.
Elites are NOT more detailed. They just have less bass / more high frequencies which, to our ears, is perceived as more detail. The drivers are identical. The ONLY difference is frequency response.
Well said, Robert. As someone who has always valued music (you don't want to know what my collection of CDs would have cost) it's been the place that I spend pretty much all of my discretionary money (i.e. after necessities). Others might drink nice wine or have a weekend car/bike, etc.
Billionaires?! Lol, that’s a bit extreme. In the UK, the Elite & the Utopia are identical in price (£3699) and the Utopia came out around 5-6 years ago. As far as I know, the most expensive headphone (that doesn’t have Diamonds on it) is the HiFiMan Shangri-La Sr at over £15,000. That’s very ambitious from a manufacturer that is notorious for it’s poor QC. The £51,000 Sennheiser Orpheus HE1 is a headphone system, the headphones cannot be bought separately.
Apologies that I missed adding the chapter markers when I first scheduled this one. It's all fixed now if you want to jump to a specific part of the video.
I am VERY much looking forward to a review of the new "Empies", in comparison to the Elite.
Me too!
This was one of your best reviews Lachlan! The comparisons of the Empys and Susvaras were incredibly deep and well thought out. I think anyone looking to purchase any of these is much more well informed after watching this. You mentioned the Verite Open but you might want to give the VC a chance as well. Many people receive the VC more highly than VO and also treat the VC as the best closed backs on the market.
Thanks Ace! I do intend to give both the VO and VC a try. I always assume that open cans compete most directly with other open cans, but I definitely take your point. Cheers!
@@PassionforSound very cool good luck with acquiring them! I’ve heard that verite + tubes are a special combo
The Auteurs (review coming soon) are definitely a greatatch with tubes so keen to see how the VCs/VOs sound on the Mainline and/or TU-8200R
This is the most detailed review I ever seen. You can really explain what the headphone is even without the watcher never had listened to them. Congrats.
So glad you liked it! 🙂🙂
You are the best reviewer on youtube, because you speak from a perspective of MUSIC and feeling than purely technicality.
Thank you, Mikyle. It's all about the enjoyment of music in the end, after all 🙂🙂
Never gonna be able to afford a pair of these but currently still watching because it is enjoyable to watch you talk about them!
So glad you're still finding the review enjoyable and you never know what might happen in the future... 🤞🤞
Never say Never Brother 👍
I got a pair of OG Clears for $500 used at the onset of CV19. If you save your pennies be patient and shop aggressively you will be able to find sweet deals out there.
Great point! Buying secondhand is always a good option with audio gear (assuming you're careful and don't buy from random strangers with no history)
A very thorough and in-depth review. I couldn’t agree more with EVERYTHING you’ve said. I own the Elites and they’re basically ‘PERFECT’ for lengthy & fun listening. There’s no can that’s more enjoyable to listen to than the beauty of the Elites!
Glad you enjoyed the review and that you're loving your Elites
Thank you Lachlan!!! Got my popcorn ready, lets go....
Enjoy!
a month ago?
what in tarrrnation
Back to the future!
Haha! Being a patron has many benefits!
As a guitarist who loves listening to acoustic guitar, your review makes me want to demo these....
They're pretty special for guitar. I hope you get a chance to try them
Hi, Lachlan (aka 'Passion for Sound'): I really like your review of the Meze 'ELITE' and the way in which you go about comparing its sound to that of its predecessor, the 'EMPYREAN.' Comparing headphones is, by its nature, a very personal experience. I think you do an exemplary job of defining the differences you hear between and amongst the various headphones you cover in this review. Your approach to comparing headphones is, to me, exquisitely fair and balanced - you take the time to point out the many subtle differences which distinguish one make and design of headphone from another. You are truly a top-notch reviewer. You leave it up to us to decide what headphone we might prefer, because you encourage us to THINK about all the possibilities.
I own the Meze ELITE and I am absolutely in love with it - it IS my headphone of choice now. Its all-around performance and musicality is hard to beat - and it reveals bad recordings for what they are: *bad recordings*. When you listen to really well-done recordings of all genres, from electronica to thumping-bass dance tracks all across the musical spectrum to vocals, rock, pop, jazz and even classical, all of it comes through excitingly on the ELITE. I also own a FOCAL CLEAR MG and the Japanese-made FINAL D-8000 Pro Edition headphones, both of which are also quite impressive-sounding in their own right.
There is one more comment I want to add: *HOW* WE HEAR MUSIC OVER OUR HEADPHONES has a LOT to do with the EQUIPMENT we are using UPSTREAM of the 'phones themselves! I have recently become aware of the revival of an old-school DAC technology (R2R or LADDER DACS), which for the longest time have been overshadowed by the now ubiquitous chip-based Sigma-Delta DACS, which now make up nearly 100% of all DACS out there, with the exception of the dCS 'Bartok' RING DAC and the CHORD 'DAVE' - M-SCALER combo. Now all of these DACS are getting some very heavy competition from the HOLO AUDIO 'MAY' KTE DAC, a top-flight R2R DAC, which I now own. This DAC, when operated in its *NOS*, or Non-Over-Sampling, mode, is something you have to hear. It is a game-changer in how we are hearing DIGITAL audio. I will leave it at that for now, other than to say that listening to the Holo Audio MAY KTE R2R DAC over the MEZE ELITE headphones is a sonic revelation, which makes even ordinary Red-Book CDs sound so much more ANALOG and musical in quality! The MAY is best used with a CD TRANSPORT to get the most from CDs. The MAY DAC is also well-equipped to accept all forms of streaming audio inputs and formats, and can even decode true SACD audio natively, rather than as most DACS do, by first converting it to PCM - and THEN to analog.
So glad you're enjoying your Elites and my reviews. I actually wrote up my notes for a review of the Spring 3 KTE and May KTE last week, planning to record the review this week. You're absolutely right about how important the source chain is and the May with a suitably excellent headphone amp is fantastic as you say! 🙂
Happy to see that you've made a comparison of the Elite and Empyrean! Listening over the Empyrean after I've sold my motorbike to get these 5 months ago.;)) I've watched your review over the Empyrean over and over again along with Zeos' before pulling the trigger on a used Empyrean.
Based on what you've said, I would definitely need a listening session with the Elite to see if I can hear much difference, but based on what you've said, I will stick with the Empyrean for now for sure, because the extra rumble from the base is very much welcome because the amount of EDM music I'm listening to and the games I'm playing need the extra boom.;))
I will try the upgraded cable.
Thank you again!;))
Glad you're enjoying the Empys! I just sold mine and I already miss them!
@@PassionforSound Haha, but you've got a lovely replacement!
You find them this much more fun over the Elite?
Yes, the Elites are a great replacement so I don't regret selling the Empys, but I do miss them. The Elite are more polite and a bit less raucous when I want that, but I might have a good replacement for pure fun, bassy listening. It's not on the same technical or quality level, but lots of fun. Review very soon...
@@PassionforSound Thank you for sharing your thoughts!
I'm looking forward to that review!
Had a chance to listen to both the Elite and Empyrean side by side, and I honestly preferred the original Empyrean. The major warmth is has gives it a unique and very pleasant sound, even the vocals has a warm tonal quality which is very pleasing. The Elite doesn't have that, and sounded kind of boring in comparison, even though it's more neutral. That said, the comfort and the design of both are still some of the best I've ever tried, and other headphone manufacturers need to take notes.
That's exactly why I'll always love and recommend the Empys. I know they're not accurate, but they're so enjoyable!
does that sound you like depend on the headphone or the tuning?
Hi Azu, not sure if you're asking me or JL. For me, I tend to appreciate the sound of lots of different headphones (kind of like enjoying lots of different foods - Chinese, Thai, Indian, Italian, etc.) I do have a permanent soft spot for a well tuned, warmer sounding headphone though particularly if it comes with a good sense of dynamics and detail through the midrange.
You sound like a nice unbiased guy. I subbed
Thanks for the sub! I always try to be unbiased (or say that I'm biased and why if I have a specific "soft spot" for a product)
Thanks for this Lachlan.
I used to write headphone reviews (for fun) & you’re my favourite audio reviewer on UA-cam.
I prefer the Elite to the Utopia, I’ll be comparing the Elite to the LCD-5 soon.
I'm keen to try the LCD-5 in the nearish future too! Glad you're liking the reviews 🙂
I've done the Utopia on its own already. I'm still working on my Audeze access...
@@PassionforSound I prefer the Elite to the LCD-4, Utopia, AB1266 Phi TC, LCD-5, HD 800S & Empyrean.
It rivals the Susvara sonically but it has superior comfort & build and it’s £1400 less in the UK.
That's great to hear. It's clearly my favourite headphone these days. Thanks for sharing your thoughts 🙂
@@PassionforSound the Elite offers something quite rare in a flagship headphone, technicality & musicality. It strikes such a good balance between these 2 attributes.
Technically the Susvara is slightly better but some people still find it too bright in the top end & it needs quite a bit of current to power & drive.
The Elite is much easier to power too.
And if people keep going on about resolution & detail, there are 30-40 year old Stax headphones that retrieve more detail than any planar.
At any price.
Great review thanks. I’ll stick with the Empyreans. ‘Fun’ trumps most things!
I definitely support your decision. My Empyreans are for sale and haven't sold yet and I'm seriously considering keeping them and selling other gear instead...
1266 Phi TC is alot of fun as well. Extremely chain picky so you need to spend big $$ to get they synergy right. The Emps are much more flexible and budget friendly.
I'm hoping to try the 1266 soon thanks to a patron's generosity so stay tuned...
Really interested in this one, thanks for the review. Been following you since you reviewed Burson's opamps, years ago...
Thanks for the ongoing support! Glad you liked this review! 🙂
Hey Pal, ... had to buy it... on the plane ! Also sprung from the silver cables..... Thanks for all your advice~~~~
I think you'll be very happy! 🙂
I agree with you on burn-in... I bought a pair of HE6 SEv2 and they were terrible out of the box. Once I gave them a week or so burn in ~20 hours of play... It started to loosen up and the base filled in which was before a roll-off and slightly hollow sound. It also wasn't psychological burn in because I would a-b-c several of my headphones and could easily detect the problem early on.
Yeah, it seems to all depend on the headphone. I've had lots of pairs where I've noticed no change at all, but the Aryas and now the Elites had significant change over time.
I had same problem! Only I returned my He6sev2 the next day and didn’t bother with burning them in lol I even did open grill mod but even then they were too hollow as you described
Sorry to hear about the HE6!
Very informative review. Thanks. For the money, if I wanted more warmth and emotions than the Senn 800S but not top heavy bass, the Meze E or the Elite?
Thanks in advance.
Definitely the Elite is the better step from the HD800S to avoid too much bass - the Empy will go too far I think.
@@PassionforSound much appreciated.
I have had a dream since I was 16 years old to own a High-End stereo at some point in my life, I have had several very nice and good-sounding systems, but have always had to compromise, I am now 66 years old and my financial situation has never been better, so I have decided to go all in on a headphone equipment, what it will be is still an open question, but it is leaning more and more towards Meze Empyrean or Elite.
The Elites are probably the safest bet in this game, Kent. Based on my discussions with people here and in my Patreon Discord server, the Elites are rarely disliked and almost always loved
Great review Lachlan. Would you pair the elite with the TT2 ( DAC ) and the 23 R amp?
Absolutely. That's actually my favourite combo with the A23R in terms of headphones.
Thank you so much for this amazing review. I had the opportunity to try out the Elite for myself yesterday and rewatched this review and was in awe of how well you captured and described the nuances of the sound and what the Elite represents. I will add that I was initially really disappointed with the Elite when paired with a Shanling EA5 alone. The headphone sounded a bit lazy and the separation was so exaggerated that the band members didn’t seem like they were playing as a band and that they had all just rolled out of the bed. When we added a fairly large tube amp (don’t recall the name) after the EA5, it fixed most of the problems, but I am not looking for such a space consuming setup. I then tried the Elite with a Shanling M9 DAP. The sound was pretty great but lacked a bit of punch, highs and energy. We then added a Cayin C9 into the mix and that’s when I felt like I got to experience the sound that you had so articulately described in the video. I am new to the hobby so am looking for my first set of equipment. I am now pretty much sold on the Elite and the Cayin C9 but do not want to get a DAP that might become unusable in a couple years when it becomes unsupported and cannot be updated. Do you have any DAC recommendations to pair with the Elite and the Cayin C9? Any reason why I should steer away from the C9? While portability is not that import to me, I do have very limited desktop space, so the small size of it is definitely a huge plus for me. Thanks for everything! PS - I also got to test the silver cable v the copper so will be leaving a message under that video as well.
So glad to hear that my descriptions translate well!
As for a potential setup for you, a DAC like the EarMen Tradutto could work well if you're limited on space. I'm in the process of reviewing it at the moment, but it's very nice. The Schiit Bifrost 2 is another excellent option, but a little bigger overall. I'd choose the Bifrost 2 for pure sound quality, but the Tradutto is also very good and has a few more features.
Thank you!! I will check out those DACs. Any thoughts on the Cayin C9 or other amp I should look into? I really loved the 4 sound options on the C9 (tube/solid state and class A/AB combos) with elite. All very usable and enjoyable in their own right, but can’t help thinking whether I can find something I like better for the price (USD2000) as I just started testing amps.
I haven't tried the C9, but it looks like a pretty cool amp. For the same money (or less) you could get a great amp like a Burson Soloist 3XP or a Sparkos Labs Aries (base version), but I can't say how they'll compare, they're much larger and they don't have the multiple modes.
I like cayin Iha 6 and Topping D90SE for my Empyrean. Sounds noticeably better than ifi idsd signature or dx7 pro+a90 combo. I use the silver meze cable btw. Clarity bass nothing is compromised
Do you think the Susvara bass could improve and get closer to elite if using the made for susvara ef1000 amp? It seems that the better the amp, the better the susvara you’ll here. What amp were were you using for susvara? And what amp for elite? Thanks!
The tunings of these two are vastly different - well beyond what an amp could/should change. The Susvaras definitely benefit from the right amp pairing, but will never match the bass from the Elites - they have their own strengths though
@@PassionforSound that is exactly the type of insight i was looking for. Thanks for the reply!
Glad I could help
Again a great review. Thanks. I do have the same problem with the shallower hybrid pads. One ear is touching slightly the grill :-( Annoying for me. But there seems not to be many Elite listeners having the same issue...
I've either adapted to it or something has changed over time because it never happens anymore. Hopefully you experience the same
Great review, thank you very much! Is a cable upgrade recommended and if so, would the copper or silver upgrade cable from Meze be better with the Elite?
I still think it's worth adding the upgrade cable to these and I've got the silver so that's the only one I can recommend from experience. They don't need the upgrade cable as strongly as the Empyrean, but I do still think it's worth it. 🙂
Awesome review mate!! very well detailed and concise. Loved your Comparisons.
If possible please do a review of the new announced xdsd gryphon (1w @32ohm).
Unfortunately, iFi gear is almost impossible for me to get my hands on. Sorry ☹️
@@PassionforSound thanks for the reply mate
Thanks a lot for all your thourough reviews, do you think a small DAC like the EarMen Sparrow can move and be a good pairing with a Meze Empyrean/Elite headphones, have you tried the pairing?
Answered on your other comment. Glad you liked the reviews 🙂
Thanks for great reviews.What cable are you using?
I think I was using the Meze silver-plated upgrade cable, but also tested with the stock cable too
I’m considering the Elites and the LCD-5s for mixing/mastering EDM. I want to love the Elites because of comfort, but bot sure whether they can be relied on for mixing mastering for best translation onto other devices vs the LCD-5. What would be your comment on this?
I am also worried about many reviews stating that the resolution on the LCD-5s are objectively better…? Is this your experience? Are the LCD 5s that much better that it would matter in a mixing/mastering/music production context?
Thanks for your time!
I certainly don't feel like the LCD-5s are more resolving. I think their tuning just focuses you more on the details.
As for mixing/mastering with Elites, they're a little more coloured in their tuning, but the LCD-5 has its own colourations with the rolled-off bass and midrange emphasis so I actually think you'd need to adapt a bit to either headphone. The LCD-5 is closer to a monitor sound though so I think that's why it's a more obvious mixing/mastering choice.
In other words, I would be happy using either for mixing/mastering and think both need some adaptation to ensure the mix sounds right on other gear.
@@PassionforSound Thank you very much Lachlan. Couldn't have asked for a better answer. It's difficult to judge this when you don't have both on hand to listen to them yourself.
And there's always EQ if I want to force a more "neutral" sound, and I expect that because the resolution of the LCD-5 and the Meze Elites are within the same sphere (which you've confirmed for me), and since many state that the LCD-5s respond well to EQ, that would me the same for the Elites.
Definitely going to go for the Elites! Thanks for the excellent content and for your thoughtful response.
I think you'll be very happy with them, particularly if they're doing double duties for music enjoyment and mixing. Hope you love them!
Hi. Another great review. Like most things hi fi, when you take home only 1 pair, would you be very very happy with the Empryrean over the Elite?
Cheers
If I wasn't comparing them or didn't have the choice on hand, I'd be 100% happy with the Empyreans. In fact, I still miss them having had to sell them to fund the Elite purchase. I dont regret the sale, but I do miss the headphones
Would you say they are in between the SennH 800S and the closed back Focal Radiance? Less harsh and more bass then the 800s but not as warm and closed as the Focal Radiance? Thanks
I haven't heard the Radiance - sorry! The Empyreans are definitely a very warm headphone - much more than the HD800S. The Alcantara pads reduce the bass a bit, but I wouldn't recommend them for someone looking for something just a bit warmer than the HD800S. The Elites are more in that territory.
@@PassionforSound Got it. Cheers
Thank you for such excellent review(s). Could you please elaborate on which one would consider the best for listening to classical music: the susvara or the utopia, and why?. I understand you consider the susvara better than the elite or empyreans, from what you say in the video. But i wonder what about comparing the susvara and the utopia, more so given tbe utopia has some qualities in between the susvara and empyrean or elite. And when i say the best i mean regarding enjoyment and being able to follow all parts and instruments....like being in a real concert at tbe front rows. Or are they both very close and not worth changing one for the other if one owns one if them?. As an aside, and after watching this and some other of your videos regarding those headphones i mention, i wonder how one headphone can be more enjoyable and musical (thecempyrean or thevelite), but have less detail than the other...i would say that the one presenting the most details would sound as in real life, and that ought to be the more enjoyable and musical....otherwise those details maybe have to be somewhat artificial....i'd appreciate if you vould clarify this to me....thanks again for such excellent and sincere reviews.
That's a hard one to answer about the Utopia vs Susvara because I don't own the Utopia anymore. What I can tell you is that the Susvara is wider and less deep while the Utopia presents more depth and less width (if that changes anything for you). The other thing is that the Susvara is a flatter overall response which generally results in better and more even coverage of all frequencies coming from an orchestra so I'm guessing the Susvara would be my choice, but I can't say for certain. Have you checked my Susvara and Utopia reviews? They might provide further clarity that I'm forgetting.
As for enjoyment of less detailed headphones, it's all about tonality. For critical or focussed listening, detail can be important, but when I'm just looking to enjoy music without being absolutely focussed on it, I find the tonality of the headphone is the biggest factor. Many detail-oriented headphones are tuned a bit brighter than what I think of as natural so my favourites are often a little smoother and warmer.
@@PassionforSound Thank you for your response. Yes i viewed your reviews of the utopia and susvara. But if i recall correctly the utopia was made when you had not listened the susvara yet. In theutopia obne you said it was thebest or one of the best, andin the susvara more or less similar, or that it was almost perfect. And that the uopia was a sort of middle ground between the empyrean and the susvara leaning more to the empyrean, with a romantic tonality....THat's why i wanted a more direct comparison between the two. So if you do not have theutopia, i understand you have sold it in the end, since i think you said in the utopia review you owned it, and you were hesitating in keeping the clear, selling the empyrean for the elite, and also somethign about you were thinking maube selling the susvara as well... What has happened in the end? maybe you sold the utopia and kept the susvara? Any comments on what was your thought process fro whatever yu decided to keep and sell?. SO i wonder if the susvara is the one more neutral ( imean natural sounding as in real life) or more colored for detail, if else the emyrean or elite are the more natural, or that warmish characteristic is another form or coloration, and the same with the utopia. I heard the utopia only, and i find it uncanny on the realism of thevoices and details....but i suspect it is maybe a bit unnatural on some way....becasue when i listen to natural sounds (I think, maybe wrongly, thiscould be a way to know how realistic the reproduction is, since we all know how natural sounds are, instead of instruments or certainconcert which we dont exactly know....it was a sound on the internet site about testing headphones ( i do notrecall now but i may look it up) about a knocking on a wooden door...the utopia sounded a tiny bit too woody to be natural maybe... I wonder then if the susvara is a much better headphone for natural sounding, or if the emyrean or elite are...THey are so expensive it has to be just one, if any,...not all three...Thanks again
You're right about the Utopia review happening before the Susvara review so that does make it a bit tricky. I think your summary is really accurate though in that the Utopia is wonderful for vocal music, but a little bit coloured in general which can be both good and bad depending on the recording, genre, etc.
If you're looking for the more natural/neutral option, the Susvara is it IMO. That's the reason I kept the Susvara and sold the Utopias - the Susvara is more versatile and great with just about everything if you have a good amp for it. You don't need a speaker amp, but I find it sounds best with amps that have a full and weighty sound. A good tube amp can be wonderful or something like the Sparkos Labs Aries.
What about the topping a90? Is it good enough for taking the most of the susvaras?
I don't believe so. It has sufficient power, but its sound is quite flat and unengaging. For a headphone on the level of the Susvara, I think it's false economy to use an amp below something like the Sparkos Labs Aries, Burson Soloist GT, GS-X Mini/Mk2, etc.
So many good headphones, so little money. I’m just being offered the Empyrean and the Elite and I am torn now, again! Going to try lottery this weekend and when alls good, I’ll get the Elite and the Susvara… of then there’s more DACs, more amps…
Lachlan, if I buy just either of these, Empyrean, Elite and Susvara, I should go for the Elite?
I do think the Elite is the best balance of performance and enjoyment. It's great for relaxing listening or focussed listening so yes, that would be my choice.
Your reviews are always a joy to listen to. Both informative and entertaining. However, in regards to the Elite & Susvara comparison you said the comfort difference was around 5%. So if the comfort of the Elite is a 10/10 would the Susvara be a 9.5/10? 9/10? What does the Elite do that just edges it above the Susvara?
I find both are excellent, but the Elite just conforms a bit more to the head and feels more snug, not as in tight, but just a perfect fit. I think the pad design (shape and materials) plus the pre-curved headband are the reasons the Elites are slightly more comfortable
@@PassionforSound That definitely makes sense with the earpad design and pre-curved headband; especially since all reviewers are saying the Elites/Empyreans are the most comfortable headphones ever. At least the Susvara is still considered very comfortable from both you and other reviewers.
Yes, the Susvara is still excellent, but the Elite might just be perfect 😁
Excellent, well balanced review Lachlan.
Thanks, Brett 🙂
Very nice review as always 💪🤗 for me 1266 tc is a possible upgrade from Empyreans, the same kind of guilty pleasure with performance dialed to 11 and a bit of quirkyness.
I'm hoping to review those soon. Can't wait to try them
@@PassionforSound make sure you give yourself at least 2 weeks to set them up for your preference and try them on different amps. They are really transparent and on top of that change the sound depending on angle and amount of driver damping / resonance you apply.
I've heard that. Thanks for the reminder! I'd always spend a minimum of 2 weeks with any product before producing a review so that's safe.
@@PassionforSound looking forward to that review btw 💪🍻
Fantastic review! Thank you!
My pleasure!
Thank you for the great review! I just purchased the Elite myself and I found the same burn-in issue which I found kind of odd. Now, though the Elite is sounding really nice! Thank you for answering my question about the Empyrean leather pads on the Elite. I do like both the Hybrids and the Alcantara. They're both great for different things. What amps and DACs did you use? Did you use the TT2? Also, did you use the Meze silver upgrade cable, and if so what did you think and how did it add to the Elite? Thanks again for the great review!
Glad it's not just me experiencing the burn-in on these!
I mostly use the TT2 with the Elites, but also the Soloist 3XP, Soloist GT and Sparkos Labs Aries with TT2, Schiit Yggy OG or whatever other DACs I'm testing for review.
I've tried a few cables with the Elites, but the Meze silver cable is a great match
@@PassionforSound Thanks very much! I'm going to order the upgrade cable!
@@gjtube37 hi Greg, did you received your upgraded cable? how's the impressions?
@@mareknowakowski1692 Hi Marek, I have the Meze Silver Upgrade cable and absolutely love it! It's a great cable and really well made!
@@gjtube37 Hi, I already ordered mine, is there any upgrade in bass depth? Even slight?
How would you describe elite vs empyrean in terms of engagement and being visceral? Been a very happy owner of elites and rather curious.
The Empys are definitely more visceral at the expense of some detail and resolution. Having owned both, I do think the Elites are the one to own, but if you could have both, they're surprisingly complimentary
@@PassionforSound Thank you for the reply! I've been on a "visceral kick" if you will, so bad that I've gone back to the stock cable they came with over the copper upgrade cable. Also fun fact, they have new "angled alcantara" pads that are worth a look if you ever are looking for something to check out :) Thanks for the great videos again!
I keep trying to get the angled pads. Hopefully will actually get a pair soon...
There’s a couple of elites for sale on eBay au. For about 4K or best offer. Only a few months old.
Makes you wonder why they’re being sold that quickly.
That is a bit strange. No headphone is perfect for everyone though and they've also been out a while now so it could also be a case of gear acquisition syndrome and someone needing their next fix 😉
Would a lightly used empyrean at half the price of elite be a better buy or still elite? Im upgrading from elex.
If you get them, I’d advice the upgraded silver or silver coated OFC cable.
I have the Utopia also. It’s almost like what the Utopia should’ve been. Or, almost what’s described with the Elite, with silver dragon cable.
@@G-entleManAndScholar thanks! What amp dac do you use?
I’ve personally found Lavricables to manufacture a superior silver cable compared to Silver Dragons.
I agree about the silver plated cable from Meze - it's a very special cable.
As for the Empy vs Elite as a better buy, it's such a personal preference thing. My Empys are leaving me today and I'm very sad to see them go because I'll miss their fun factor, but the Elite are a more all-round headphone with better technicalities and still a very enjoyable sound.
@@PassionforSound and I thought I just heard the best today with the Empyrean?!
Could you please tell the specific name of the upgrade cable for Meze Elite? Thank you so much !!
Sure, it's the Meze Silver Plated PCUHD cable. I've reviewed it here on the channel if you need more info 🙂
another excellent video my friend... got it in my cart... ready for my stocks to make me enough money...
Awesome! Fingers crossed for those stocks of yours to move the right way! 🤞🤞
I would love to have you do a comparison of the Elite with either or both of the Abyss Diana V2 or Diana TC. I know that is a huge ask. Hopefully some one sees this and helps it happen. Great review, thank you.
I am working on sharing some Abyss content this year and the Elite is here to stay so those comparisons should be possible 🙂
@@PassionforSound I will be honest, it will take a significant financial windfall for me to ever purchase one of those. Although I know it would be worth every penny. I got a good deal on Anandas two years ago. I have them with the IFI Zen Dac and a Douk tube amp that I got a really good deal on. My realistic plan is to get the Xduoo MT-604. Then upgrade to the Audeze LCD-XC 2021. I love what I have now but I the reviews I have seen have me very interested in the Audeze. Spending $2,000 American in upgrades seems reasonable. I follow a lot of UA-cam reviewers and try to average out the reviews to get the best sense of what to expect from a product. I will say your reviews carry the most weight. I really like how you presents things and feel like I really learn the most about a product. I just recently found you and have been going back to watch a lot of your previous reviews. Thank you again and we’ll done or good on you.
So glad I've been helpful for you! Your upgrade path sounds like a very rewarding one. Best wishes for the journey and I hope you'll continue to share it with me 🙂
@@PassionforSound so I searched at it seems that you haven’t done an LCD-X or -XC 2021 review. Is that in the future? I hope so.
Unfortunately it's very difficult for me to get Audeze gear due to the local distributor so no promises on that one, but through no lack of my interest to share it with you all
Hi Lachlan! Thanks for the review, quite useful as I am trying to decide between the Empyrean and Elite. By the way, I own a TT2 (and MS), what adapter do you normally use to connect the Meze upgrade balanced cable to the TT2? (ie. balanced splitter from the 6.35 front jack, or adhoc cable from the XLR outputs on the back?). I could not find any reference within your list of gear. Thanks for your help, and please keep on posting such good reviews.
I've done testing of using the rear XLR sockets and there's no benefit at all so I stick with the front sockets. I've got adapter cables from Forza Audio Works and Aurealis Audio. Both are excellent - high quality copper litz cables.
As for the Empy vs Elite decision? That's a tough one. I feel like the Elites never leave me wanting, but the Empys occasionally had me wishing for extra detail/clarity. The Empyreans ARE more fun, but I don't find myself wishing for that when using the Elites because they're incredibly enjoyable in their own way.
@@PassionforSound Thanks for the additional explanations on the testing methodology and the adapter cables, not to mention your final recommendation. Really appreciated!
Would you recommend the Elite or Susvara?
It's all personal taste. I like the Elites better because I find them more musical and they produce better depth in the soundstage.
Do the upgrade cables still make a big difference on the Elite's as they did with the Empyrean's?
Great question! I don't think it's quite as necessary, but it is still a good improvement and I would recommend it.
@@PassionforSound Excellent review, by the way. I read on the comments that you sold your Empys now. Is the bass on the Elite's still very good as well? I'm having a hard time deciding which one to buy next 😄
The bass from the Elites is a bit more natural, but still excellent. The Empys are lots of fun, but the Elites can handle more genres better
As for an amp, will the THX 788 be good quality for the Empyrean and/or the Elite? Which I use for the Beyer T5 & Meze 99 Classic.
Personally, I don't think so. You'll never really hear what they're capable of from a 789. Something like a Singxer SA-1 would be a good start, but these are flagship headphones so if generally recommend that people eventually pair them with some top notch gear. No reason you can't enjoy them with the 789, but the expense would be wasted if you don't plan to upgrade the amp later.
@@PassionforSound I was referring to the Monolith THX 788 w/AKM 4493 dac.
Oops. So you were. Even so, I'd aim higher for a headphone of that level. The THX technology measures well, but I find it limits the dynamics and spatial cues of the music.
How about Meze Elite vs. HiFiMAN Arya Stealth? Juding by your comparisons of Susvara To Meze Elite and Arya Steath, they could be close competitors in terms of sound.
The Meze Elite are in the same performance tier as the Susvara so the Arya SE are a clear step below. I really like the Aryas, but they don't ever really compete with the Elites or Susvaras for listening time when I'm choosing headphones for pure enjoyment.
I think I compared the Aryas to the Elites in my Arya review, but I might be wrong on that one.
Thanks, you compared Aryas to Empyreans in that review, I think. Meze Empyrean are too thick-sounding for me. I will try to audition Elite.
Ah, that's right. The Empys still had technical ability beyond the Aryas though and the Elites are better again so that gives you a good sense of the gap between the Arya and Elite. I hope you enjoy the audition!
@@PassionforSound I have finished auditioning recently. Meze Elite are too dark for me and I prefer Aryas. But... seller showed me Abyss Diana TC. That sound was simply amazing. I am going to buy soon.
It sounds like your tastes lean quite bright so I'm glad you've found the Dianas to your liking. Congrats!
missing the "E" for the elite, just a heads up
Thank you! I shared this with my patrons as a bonus and completely forgot to do my usual steps for the title, description, etc. and then rushed it once I realised. 😳
Nice Review again :)
I just invested the most I have ever paid for a piece of Hi-fi in the form of a (second hand) DTS Bartok.
This transformed the Empyrean's into a much more technically proficient; detailed headphone. You expect that of course with a DAC at that silly price but it shows how capable they can be. I can hear each and every instrument so clearly (separation) without losing any of that lovely fun, warm meaty sound. It's very impressive. They have never sounded so good.
That said; I am still looking for a second pair of headphones on a slightly higher technical level (once my Bartok is paid off) and am interested in these Elite's...especially as they retain most of the character of the Empy's that we know and love.
Incidentally the guy I bought the Bartok from had the Utopia's and I also found them occasionally a little harsh in the treble. I also found them less comfortable to wear.
I am using a Feliks Audio Euphoria AE Tube as a Headphone Amp as these Meze's seem to love tubes.
Did you try the Elite's through your tube amp at all?
Nice purchase! I'm yet to try a Bartok, but I've seen and heard good things about it.
The Elites are also great with tubes. I've used them with the Mainline and TU-8200R and they suit both very well.
Other than the Susvara, the Elites are the most technically proficient headphone I've tried (Utopia falls a touch short because of the treble)
@@PassionforSound yes it will take me a while to pay it off but it is jaw dropping. The sound I can only describe as purely analog; it does not sound like a DAC at all. It made the Empyreans better in every way. Detail and instrument seperation especially went to a new level.
The Susvaras I will try and demo too as they are definitely on the shortlist too.
Having listened to quite a few of the items you have reviewed your description of the sound is always bang on.
Keep up the good work.
Cheers from the UK.
So glad you're enjoying them so much!
@@PassionforSound just bought the Elite's...
A great improvement over the Empyrean's in every way. To my ears I don't experience the trade off you mention away from the "Fun" either. They are extremely addictive and have a really impressive tonality. I just want to keep listening track after track.
I was concerned I would actually miss that Empyrean Bass Bloat as I love my bass but...nope - the bass is absolutely still there just a lot cleaner. I'm very impressed!
Good Track to hear them at their best is "Madness" By "Muse" - it's so smooth but clear on these.
Incidentally, I prefer the Meze Copper Upgrade cables as I thought the Silver Plated upgrade cables did add a little (not much but a little) brightness for me.
Thanks again for the informative review :)
All the best from the UK.
So glad you're enjoying the Elites! I do still miss the Empyreans a bit, but it will come down to personal taste as to where the "fun" line is for each person. For what it's worth, I use the Elites pretty much daily which is a testament to the enjoyment I take from them too. So glad you're having fun!
I am very curious about how these compare to the Hifiman HE1000se. I've just listened to all the tracks you've mentioned on these and they all sound spectacular - both fun and technically briliiant.
I'm yet to try the HE1000s, but hope to at some point
Hi! I just found your channel a couple of days ago and have been watching many videos since, and have decided to purchase the Elites. I'm looking to find a good DAC/Amp to use for the headphones, I understand your current choice would be the TT2, which is just currently out of reach, but something I can look forward to in the future as well as the M-Scaler. I was looking at the DO200 and the HO200 combo mainly because I'm a big fan of the appearance, and also your review in saying you'd likely purchase the combo over the D90/A90 combo in terms of value. Do you think the DO200/HO200 would be a sufficient pairing for the Elite? I'm willing to spend more if the combo won't deliver everything the headphones are capable of. What else would you recommend as a great starting DAC/Amp for the Elites?
Welcome to the channel, Dominic! The DO200/HO200 would be fine, but you won't get the most from the Elites. If you want a matched stack though, you'd have to go for something like the Soloist 3XP and Composer from Burson. If you're happy to mismatch the stack, some good DAC options are the Chord Qutest, SMSL DO200 or Schiit Bifrost 2. For the amps, I'd go for the Rebel Amp, Singxer SA-1 or Burson Soloist 3XP.
You'll still get a major upgrade with the TT2, but those products will all get you well on your way with the Elites.
@@PassionforSound I only just realized I hadn't responded. I know this is long overdue, but just wanted to reach out with a very heartfelt, thank you! After going over your other reviews, I ended up going with the Burson Soloist 3XP and paired it with the Chord Qutest and have been loving the sound of the Elites this past year. Thank you so much for the time you take for these thorough reviews! They've helped so much in making a comfortable decision, especially without ever truly hearing the other options. You're very much appreciated!
So glad I could help. Sounds like you've got a really lovely setup there now. Enjoy!
that's ok Lachlan, Meze will come out with another US$6000 Elite Ultimate to satisfy your desire for perfection... hahaha
You're probably right! 🤣
Only 96% of perfect. Totally worth the extra $2k
Watching this again!
Temptation, temptation 😁
@@PassionforSound hoping I’ll get to “end game” soon.
@@BillyKueekSG just try a bunch out! Elites were amazing for me, however I do want to try the utopias at some point in time!
@@lamgmtgroup258 the Elites are excellent
How do they compare to Clear Mg is the difference big?
I haven't heard the Clear MG, but I have owned the original Clear and the Utopia and I'd say from that experience that the difference will be significant (i.e. big)
You really need to get the susvara into a speaker amp, it’s absolutely a different beast when you do
I've used it with speaker amps, Themos. The key is not power, but quality of power. I went into depth about this in my Susvara review.
G'day Lachlan. I've got a pair of Anandas. I was wondering, if let's say the best headphone you've heard is a 10/10, where would the Ananda be? 8 maybe?
Hi! If the best is a 10, the Anandas are probably around a 7 which is still very good because you have to allow space for products like the Arya (around 8), Utopia, Empyrean or Verite Open (around 9 and all very different) and then the kings like the Elite and Susvara
Would love to see you review and compare the Abyss 1266 TC to these headphones
Me too. If I get a chance I definitely will
Wait, this is a "hobby"?! I thought it was my entire life! I think you just saved me.
Haha. Glad I could help 🙂
Do you think the utopia or the Elite is better for gaming ?
I'd definitely take the Elite for its more balanced frequency response. I think they're comparable in most other ways
This may seem like a crazy ask but I am stuck as to what headphone or IEM to get next. I am thinking for headphone it may be the Meze Elite and for IEM the FIR Radon 6. I have tried multiple high end headphones but no high end IEM's. Could you possibly compare your experience with high end headphones Vs high end IEMs? I have an Xduoo XD05 pro and Chord mojo 2 the XD05 pro being my favourite. I guess one of my concerns would be the FIR Radon 6 with the XD05 pro do you think the audible hiss would come through on those? I know you have tried everything I have mentiond and I would really appreciate your opinion. I understand you may not have tried these combinations together.
I actually own and love both of the headphones and IEMs you're considering. I can't comment on the Rn6 with the XD-05 Pro, but I can tell you that they sound magic with the Mojo 2. I'd probably go with the Mojo 2 for the IEMs and save the XD-05 Pro for the headphones.
As for the experience of using both, the IEMs won't give you the soundstage size of the headphones, but are equivalently as good in every other way and might be even better tuned than the Elites.
@@PassionforSound Thanks for your response. Some say the detail retrieveal is better with IEMs, what is your opinion and do your prefer headphones or IEMs at the higher price points? You are one of my go to audio reviewers and I am sure many others appreciate your willingness to help people by responding to your comments like I do. I think it's a great quality that you have over many other reviewers. Thanks again
@bryce74 that's a good point about detail retrieval and I generally agree that, dollar-for-dollar, IEMs will outperform headphones in that respect, but it comes at the expense of soundstage size and the ability to throw sounds beyond the confines of the head.
P.S. glad I can help 🙂
Does the Empyrean with a SPC cable or Pure Silver Cable would help to come a little closer to the Elite?
They're very different headphones so you'll never really get them that close with cable tweaks (or any tweaks that I can think of). For context, all of my testing of the Elite and Empyrean used the Meze SPC upgrade cable.
I think these headphones have some striking similarities to the Final audio D 8000 or maybe even the D-8000 Pros. ;)
Warm and relaxed. Very fun listen. I love it personally.
I'm hoping to try the D8000s one day. I'll be very interested to hear how they compare
@@PassionforSound absolutely. Especially with your wonderful knowledge and patient listening skills. :)
Really hope the burn in is true on the elites. 1 day in and find them very thin and confused. Missing my warm and relaxing empyreans.
They're never going to be Empyreans, but definitely give them time. I was very disappointed for the first few days
@@PassionforSound After a week. I am now happy with the elites!! Not sure if it was burn in or my brain adjusting to the new sound. Wow these are good headphones, sound great on my feliks euforia otl
So glad you're enjoying them! They absolutely burn-in (pretty sure I had measurements of those to prove it) so you're not imagining things. 🙂🙂
Lachlan, I’d noticed you have more headphones hanging on the wall behind you. I believe you kept those headphones for a reason, at least. What headphones are on your wall permanently and what’s your reason of keeping them?
Yes, the collection has definitely grown over the years. The headphones I keep are for 2 reasons (and many align with both):
1) they are a headphone that I enjoy listening to
2) they represent a good benchmark at the price and style (i.e. open, closed, dynamic, planar) so I keep them as a comparison point for future reviews
@@PassionforSound thank you for replying. I believe you have a lineup of reviews keeping you busy already. Just an idea here, perhaps you can do a “what’s on my wall” and the reasons I keep them video? For me, I started from lower end and then to having a variety ie. Each headphone sounds different. Now that I know my preferences. I aim to get the next level headphone of the sound I prefer after I sell one from what I have such as selling the Clear MG first then I’ll get a Meze Empyrean or Elite or ZMF Atrium or VO/VC. It’s the same with my DACs. First I get a variety with different chips, then I sell to get the next DAC. So now that the Topping D90SE is sold, I am going for an R2R, probably a Gustard R26.
I do have a huge queue already, but I think what you're looking for (sort of) is the headphone tier list I did recently which includes every headphone in my collection 🙂
@@PassionforSound ahhh yes! I saw that video too
@@PassionforSound ahhh yes I remember that one. I was taking stock of how many of my headphones were in your tiers.
The connectors are 4 pin mini xlr same as in ZMF and Audeze, not 3 pin.
My apologies for the oversight!
How do the Elites compare with the Arya Stealth?
Different leagues. The Elite and Susvara are comparable, but different. Check out my Arya review to hear the Arya vs Susvara comparison to get a sense
@@PassionforSound So I guess if you have the Elites, then you don’t really need the Arya lol unless you prefer a more natural wide sound?
IMHO the Arya V2 are the better sounding of the two (natural, immersive, engaging in a fairly unique way), while the Elite has the better build quality. Both of the are extremely comfortable to wear. Similar things may apply to the Arya Stealth.
That's really interesting to hear. They're on completely different levels to me, but factors like source chain and preferences could play a part here.
As for not needing the Aryas if you have the Elites, that's definitely my thinking. I don't reach for the Aryas unless it's for comparison purposes.
I'll probably never hear any of these headphones as they are way out of my league. That said I really enjoy your reviews you certainly do a lot of reasurch. Keep up the good work
Thanks Mark. I've got some great gear coming up that's far more affordable
What about the raw resolving power of the elite vs utopia ?
I think the Utopia probably has a sight edge here, but at the cost of listening enjoyment IMO and they're very close on detail
@@PassionforSound thx
Out of range but still enjoying the review 😊
Glad you enjoyed it!
@@PassionforSound Always mate 🔥
Hope to see you cover electrostatic headphones from Stax and others.
I'd love to, but the Stax are very tricky to get as loan items!
@@PassionforSound I'm in Singapore, or I would love to drive over to leave you with my new SRM T8000 and SR009 for a few weeks.
That would be amazing, but a very long drive 😁 Thanks for the thought though - I appreciate it!
How does the Elite compare to the D8000 pro?
That's something I hope to find out in the near future, but I can't answer yet
You're the best headphone reviewer right now!! I m so like to watch your chanel a lot.
I would like to ask you one question now i have Meze Emperean and still looking for amp pairing now i interesting in Fiio K9 pro or Shanling EM5 or Violectric V280 what about your opinion could you please recommend me.
Thank you so much.
Glad you're enjoying the reviews. Of those options, I would go for the V280 I think. You need to give the Empyreans a good source to really hear what they're capable of so definitely aim high to hear their best.
@@PassionforSound Thank you so much Lachlan
My pleasure
Hey thanks for this review. I currently own the Empyrean and have really gone back and forth on selling them for the Elite’s. I really really love the Empyrean’s for the music they match well with, however for the music they don’t it’s been a bit of a let down. But something you said in your review, there is no perfect headphone and you will always compromise this for that has helped finalize my decision. Rather than replacing the Empyreans for a “perfect” headphone I’m going to keep them and add a more detailed focused headphone to my mix and just switch between the 2 as appropriate for the music. For detailed listening I am going with the Diana V2 from Abyss, I would of gone HIFIman HE1000V2 but I do not like the way HIFIman headphones feel on my face. Again great review, and thanks for informing my purchase decision!
So glad I could help! Nice choice for your second pair too! 🙂🙂
@@PassionforSound Bit of an update: the pads on the Diana V2s did not agree with my head. I tried in every position and it was just not possible to find a consistently "great" or even "good" sounding rotation of the pads. So I ended up returning and getting the Hifiman HE1000SE's. I had owned a pair of Hifimans in the past and didn't care for how low the pads went on my face but this issue appears to be reduced with the HE1000SE's. Very very happy with them, they sound fantastic and def fill the detail void that my Empyreans have with some music, no shade intended I still love my Empyrean's :-).
That's great news! Glad you've found a good complement for the Empys 🙂🙂
What are those lovely headphone stands you have there?
Those are the Avantree bamboo stands. I've got a link down in the description. I love them because they've got a gentle recess in the base where you came rest the cable and the headphone sits high enough that there's no pressure on the cable plugs.
@@PassionforSound Ah I see the link now, sorry didn't look close enough before. Thanks for the reply. I have that problem with the cable plugs hitting the desk with my current stand, these Avantree one's look great - and it's a relief to see they're not 'audiophile' prices either ;)
All good. I think you'll like these and the price is very friendly for the quality.
Great!!!
Glad you liked it!
You missed the E in the title
Thank you. All fixed now 🙂
My heart/wallet sank when I saw these babies. I love my Empys but I did think it needed some tweakings so the Elite is both a heaven and a demon spawn for my wallet
I hear you! I'm still trying to sell my Empys to plug that financial hole, but they're still going to leave an emotional hole...
@@PassionforSound Yea it'll be sad kissing my Empys(plus a large amount of cash for the elites) behind
@@JIMBOPHRENIC69 I'm seeing them go for $1750 - $2100 on headfi. So you will have a chunk to cover the difference. Perhaps give it a year and you'll get used for used and the price discrepancy may drop.
@@PassionforSound why do you want to sell them but in a previous comment you said you prefer the Empyrean?
There are things I prefer about them, but overall the Elites are definitely better
Which dac amp that u use in the revuew for meze elite and utopia?
I use lots of amps to test headphones and generally only call it out if there's a specific synergy that's good or bad, but I would have used the TT2 for the bulk of my testing on this one
What headphone stands are those?
They're Avantree Bamboo stands. There's a link in the "Passion for Sound Recommends" section of the description 🙂
What kind of headphone stand are you using in the review?
It's the Avantree Bamboo stand. It's linked in this list if you're interested: tinyurl.com/PfSRecommends
@@PassionforSound Thank you so much for responding. By the way, great list!!!!
My pleasure 🙂🙂
So when is HE 1 coming ?
When I'm very, very rich which may mean never 😉
@@PassionforSound I'll be sure to send you in one for review when i retire.
LCD5 vs. Elite vs. Sus vs. 1266 Phi TC vs. Final D8k pro... would be a killer shootout.
@@aceofspades6667 You forgot stax 007 and L700 mk2
You don't mind sending me all those do you, Steve? 😉
Agree that it would be an epic. Not sure if people want to watch a 3 hour review though 😁
First and foremost, love your videos man keep it up! I’ve had a chance to compare the Elites to the empyreans locally and the difference was huge to my ears. The elites felt much more present and full, and lifelike to me vs the empys. I was also able to audition a few Audezes and focal before and the Elites were just everything that I could want from a set of cans. I’ve placed my order and will be receiving them this week from Crutchfield, super stoked. I have a K5pro ESS I will pair to, any lower budget amp/dac combos you would recommend or will the K5 get me where I want to be comfortably? Thanks again for your time and work on your content!
So glad you liked the content and even more happy that you got to try the Elites and that you love them!
The K5 should be fine, but I would aim to upgrade in the future so you can get more out of the Elites as they'll have a lot more to give with better source gear. Something like the EverSolo DAC-Z8 or Burson Conductor would be a good option as an all-in-one, but if you can go even further in the future, the Chord Hugo 2 (or TT2) or the Burson Conductor 3GT are all amazing with the Elites.
@@PassionforSound thank you so much for your reply! The elites are amazing, and your reviews essentially sealed the deal for me on them. The pure listening experience is fantastic and I’m loving them even paired to the K5 pro ESS. Thanks again my friend!
So glad I could help and even more that you're enjoying them. Happy listening!
Burn in isn't real. Chances are you didn't have a full seal the first time. Solid review as always
I disagree on that one and I'm in the process of building a library of measurements to see if it's provable.
I've never really experienced it with any significance in the past (which I would have if it were brain burn-in), but both the Arya stealth version and Elites changed significantly.
@@PassionforSound Interesting. I'm looking forward to it.
@@PassionforSound Or, instead of the driver, could it be the pads giving in a little bit...?
Not in such a short amount of listening and the issue was the same with my used Alcantara pads too.
Did you drive susvara with bottlehead mainline? That won't do it justice brother. Repeat the comparison on a powerful class A SS amp and I think you might be surprised.
No, I used a range of amps including the Burson Soloist GT, Sparkos Labs Aries and the TT2. No surprises left on this comparison. 🙂
@@PassionforSound Cool man. By the way if you are on discord join us on the Sonic Visions server. Great audiophile server and would be honored to have you.
Thank you. I'd love to, but I'm already flat chat with comments here and also my Patreon Discord server. I could join, but I'd honestly very rarely visit due to lack of time.
@@PassionforSound Np brother
Passionate review. But I don't get one thing. You say that Meze claims that this is an entirely new headphone. But then you say the build is the same except for the color. You say it's a "totally different headphone" at 2:55. Then you say the driver has been redesigned 9:15, but then at 11:08 you say the driver is also just subtly, subtly different. My guess is that Meze are lying about this being a "completely new headphone". Just like they got the branding all wrong. This is not an Empyrean they say, but their very own box says, literally, "Empyrean Elite". This is a totally new headphone, they say, but they just changed the color and subtly adjusted the driver. WTH... the amateurism of the company is enough to put one off.
Sorry if it got a bit unclear. Let me step it out...
Meze are branding it as a whole new model
The chassis, headband design, etc. are all identical except the colour
The driver is a new design using the original Empyrean principles with some tweaks
The initial print run of the cases DO say Empyrean Elite, but this was either an error or has been changed from a marketing/branding perspective since the initial print run. Reproducing all those cases would be way too expensive and really not a big deal anyway
So, it's a newly designed headphone building on a strong foundation of the Empyrean, but improving on it.
Meze are definitely not an amateurish company either - they're one of the most professional headphone manufacturers I've come across in terms of their communications, the R&D behind their products, the build quality, etc. One printing error or late change of branding doesn't represent them at all.
And then you have Crinacle saying "Meze is Goodn't." Can anyone who owns these comment on the divide among reviewers over these ? It seems more pronounced than any other headphone these days.
That review / roundup is way to broad IMO and shouldn't be considered a good reference. The Lirics are a headphone with a very distinct presentation so I definitely understand the division they've created.
@@PassionforSound A lot of people in this hobby seem to equate analytical/detail heavy headphones as the only price to performance ratio worth mentioning. Anyway, thanks for not going that route~
I agree and I think it's a shame. To use Crin's food analogy approach, it's like saying that pasta is the only good food and that BBQ or Chinese or pizza are all bad.
@@PassionforSound Indeed! You need them all for a balanced audio enthusiast diet! :D
Exactly!
Rag'n Bone Man is really a great album !
I agree. He's one of my favourite artists!
The cables that come with headphones are ridiculously bad, regardless of price range it seems.
Yeah. It's rare to get high quality cables with headphones no matter the level 🙁
Sendy gives great accessories.
I haven't tried any Sendys yet, but their sister brand, Sivga does quite a good job with cables (at the price)
@@PassionforSound, fortunately, many headphones uses the standard dual 3.5mm so we can share cables.
Very true!
Hello mate....I find the Heddphone the best in it's category.
Would love to see your review of this stellar headphone.
I'd like to try it myself at some point. Just need to get my hands on a pair
Although there are things I really like about them, I find them impossible to wear for longer periods of time due to the high weight and uneven pressure distribution. Sigh...
I'd heard that from others too
Can you please suggest me IEM for Earman EAGLE ??
There are so many great options. What's your budget and what type of sound do you like?
@@PassionforSound I got budget from 50 to 150 dollar and I like rich and warm/bassy sound...and I can't compromise from the resolution
I use usb audio player pro for streaming music!!
I'd see if you can pick up a pair of Ikko OH10 IEMs. They're the best I've heard in doing exactly what you're describing. I've also just received the CSN CCA24 which might be a good option too.
I don't understand reviewers' notion that hearing every orchestral instrument is a good thing. It's absolutely fake, and can only be done because of technology. If you sit in the front row at a concert hall there is no way you will hear every instrument. Worse, you'll hear individuals near you totally ruining the balance of string sections. Classical music is meant to be heard at a distance. That's the difference between acoustic and electric/electronic music. The hall is a part of the experience.
That's a very good point! I hope I didn't suggest that one was necessarily better or worse in that regard.
I’ve got the Empyreans, really don’t like them. A minority of music sounds great but so much sounds awful to me. Flat and lifeless
Silver Dragon helped mine open up & become closer to perfection. Sounds almost like the description here as the Elite, but, mids SLIIIIGHLTly withdrawn & bass very powerful (tighter with cable).
@@G-entleManAndScholar I have the silver dragons. My speaker system is revealing and yes, it’s true that there is no hiding place for badly recorded music but I find the Empyreans so unforgiving it renders a lot of my collection a no go area.
Does any of that ring true for you? Thanks
I'm surprised to hear you're finding the music flat and lifeless from the Empyreans. Is it a lack of brightness or something else and what amp are you driving them with?
@@PassionforSound Hi Lachlan, my setup is: Innuos Zenith mk3 digital transport > Innuos USB Reclocker > Chord M Scaler > Chord TT2 > Elac Adante Speakers. Your excellent videos helped push me over the line with the Chord products and certainly no regrets there!
With the Empyreans, there’s a thinness and I guess a distance, I often don’t get the depth. I know there is nothing wrong with the headphones because other tracks sound phenomenal. Thriller sounds amazing for one but lesser recordings can really suffer. I think I’ve got a pretty revealing system and while it’s certainly true that poor recordings suffer to some degree when played through the Elacs, it’s only really relative to the unbelievable sound I get from others. It never becomes like I don’t want to listen. With the Empyreans i do have music I just don’t want to listen to.
Thanks, keep up the good work.
Wow! I'm really surprised to hear that. Glad you're enjoying the Chord gear though 🙂
A bald man needing to clear hair away from the ears sure would be disconcerting.
Haha. Fair point! I do still have a little hair on the sides because I don't use a full razor, just clippers 🙂
Elites are NOT more detailed. They just have less bass / more high frequencies which, to our ears, is perceived as more detail. The drivers are identical. The ONLY difference is frequency response.
Between the Empyreans and Elites? My understanding is that the Elites have a redesigned driver so it's not just tuning.
Someone give me these for free
Haha. Good luck with that 🙂
Guys! Are we talking about 5k headphones? Are people billionnaires or what?
You'll be able to pickup a great pair used for $2.5k in 2-3 years.
Some people take this hobby seriously and are willing to invest that $ other people would use to buy a boat, or a project vehicle. To each their own.
Well said, Robert. As someone who has always valued music (you don't want to know what my collection of CDs would have cost) it's been the place that I spend pretty much all of my discretionary money (i.e. after necessities). Others might drink nice wine or have a weekend car/bike, etc.
Billionaires?! Lol, that’s a bit extreme.
In the UK, the Elite & the Utopia are identical in price (£3699) and the Utopia came out around 5-6 years ago.
As far as I know, the most expensive headphone (that doesn’t have Diamonds on it) is the HiFiMan Shangri-La Sr at over £15,000.
That’s very ambitious from a manufacturer that is notorious for it’s poor QC.
The £51,000 Sennheiser Orpheus HE1 is a headphone system, the headphones cannot be bought separately.
Know what I don't have time for? A 48 minute headphone review! Where's the bullet points?
Try the chapter markers, Jay
@@PassionforSound they didn't make it onto the video.
Oh dear! Sorry! I'll get that fixed ASAP
All fixed. My apologies again!
@@PassionforSound no worries!