THE PONTIAC GTO (4TH GEN). A FORGOTTEN FAILURE. WHAT HAPPENED?
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- Опубліковано 21 лип 2024
- I personally really like this car and owned one for 6 years accumulating over 100K miles. Its a shame their run was so short. So lets take a dive into this car and see what happened.
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I agree with everything you said about the GTO. I bought a new one in 04 and kept it until 08 when I got the new LS3 in the Corvette. I only had the Vette for 2 years. I always missed the GTO and actually liked it better than my Vette. Last June of 20, I found a 2005 GTO with 22,000 miles on it, original owner, 100% stock in immaculate condition. I drove to Wisconsin to see it and bought it on the spot for $18,000. I will never sell it. Thanks for your video!
Jim H. I like mines too. Want to drive it more. Right now 28K miles
I still have my 04 GTO. Fully stock with exception of BC suspension. 59K miles on it. Best Bang for your buck.
Just purchased one for the first time ever. So in love with it
I own a 2006 Spice red 6 speed with 33k miles, bought it from the original owner. I wanted it as a Pontiac man that I am, and to have a V8, rear drive two door that wasn't a Mustang, Camaro, or Challenger. I like how it is rarely seen on the streets, compared to the others.
I love my GTO I wouldn't sell for anything. It's truly becoming a highly sought-after car. Most people like them more in 2021 than when they first came out. Great video.
Hadn’t noticed them becoming sought after, what makes you say that? Just curious, the retail value on them do not seems to be going up at all in the last 5-10 years.
Still own my 2004 GTO that I bought new, for a steal price, and still love it today. To me they seem to be getting more and more popular. I get comments every time I stop to get gas, etc.....
Most just do not know what they are because GM really didn't advertise them. To me the body styling is really good as time has passed. They still look modern, even today, and definitely do not look like inflated Cavaliers. Ford guys like to say the Cavalier thing IMO. lol
For those that know a 2004-2006 GTO they are easy to spot in high traffic, because they do not look like any other car on the road. That is why I think they are becoming more desirable as the years pass.
I think one of the biggest problems for the US customers was the name. When you guys think GTO, you probably imagine aold school GTO from the 60's. This was not that car. This car is essentially a 2 door Holden Commodore which was made, built, and designed in Australia. The Monaro evolved from the 4 door sedan VT holden Commodore, and the name Monaro is as iconic here in Australia as say GTO, Camaro, Mustang, Viper, etc are to the US.
It may of been better to of simply called it the Pontiac Monaro instead, and develop a following from there.
But it's funny how all the cars Holden sent to the states, GTO, G8, Chevy SS, are great cars and pretty much all the reviews from the US have been very positive for the car, I remember a journalist reviewing the G8 when it first went on sale as being the greatest Pontiac ever, yet back here in Australia there was an additude of "it's only a Holden" and all these snobby pricks buying BMW, Mercedes, Audi, etc. And yet a Commodore built at the same time as them will outlast those euro trash cars. Built well and reliable, where the euro vehicles have so much cheap plastic crappy parts, wiring and sensor issues, heaps of overheating issues, etc, and a lot.of people still bought those euro trash cars instead just for the name.
Bro! Awesome video! You should make another GTO video :)
Great car! I 💙 my G.O.A.T! 65k original miles on a 2006.
It’s a 5th Gen not a 4th, but that aside, this was such a perfect description of the goat. I absolutely am obsessed with mine, bought my 04m6 PBM with 6k miles on it in 2015 for I wanna say 17,18k. Worth over that now with 65k miles and a few decent mods. I’m so obsessed with the thing it looks brand new. I love them so much
The 2004 GTO was introduced just as the 2005 Retro Mustang design was being shown in media. A pretty big shadow to be thrown into. Fast forward to 2019, 2020. The Mustang profile looks similar to the 2004 GTO. The GTO has aged very well.
Favorite car I've ever owned and I'll never get rid of it. 2006 phantom black metallic with red leather and sport appearance package. 491 whp and the seats are like lazy boys. It's an amazing touring car minus the world's smallest trunk.
cant even fit a regular spare tire in
I got a 05 gto with 27k miles on it, the engine note alone makes it an amazing daily
I have the same car you had. I love ❤️ and will always keep mines. I love 💗 the exclusivity of owning one ☝️. All BMWs Acuras and infinity’s hate me after I spank them from the light 🚦
The 2004-2006 GTO was intended to be only a 3 year run from the start of production. GM never intended/wanted production to go beyond 3 years. 3 years was "IT" from the start of production, regardless of sales.
Right. They had a limit of 15k a year in sales, although they never hit that. The GTO roughly equaled the Trans Am WS6 in sales which is what it was priced at.
How come it didn't save Pontiac?
I bought an 06 brazen manual 2 years ago, with a little over 80k miles for 12k. Has had some work done but solid car, so happy with the purchase. I test drove a 06 red manual brand new in 06 and fell in love, bought a new truck instead because I live in Minnesota and did not need 2 vehicles at the time.
Pretty sure no one considers a 6.0 and 6 speed a failure
Don't forget the Chevrolet Lumina SS! GM Holden also shipped the Monaro/ Commodore into South Africa under a Chevy Badge. I own a 2004 Chevy Lumina SS which is a four door sedan LS1 - very nice car and always gets forgotten!
I always liked the looks of the two-door Beretta would have loved an LS rear wheel drive 1
Great video! You hit all the key points and why this will always be held in high regard by its cult following.
I have my late brother's super tight, one owner 05 GTO 6 spd about to list on BAT. Love to find a good home for her!
Still have mine, about 60k miles on it. Bought it back in November of 2007 with 12k miles. Agreed, the looks aren’t all that great but they are certainly fun. Need to do some mods to keep up with the current muscle cars but that’s the fun part!
San Jose Ca checking in lol .. bought my cyclone grey 9 years ago w/ 48k miles for about 16.5$$
currently about 84k on it.. blew the water pump like everyone else.. but other than that a thermostat and radiator (literally hit a pebble or rock and it punctured it)..
Bone stock other than Eibach Springs.
Amazing car. ..just AMAZING
i took a chance on mine 2006 gto no start condition got it 6k w the t56. turns out it was the fuel hose it was crushed not allowing any gas to go through. i love that car so much ❤
I own two GTO's one is LSA super charged auto with built trans, which I crashed last month but it is being fixed to its glory. Has 72k miles on it. I also have a manual GTO with 19k miles bought it last year in August from Mershon world of cars. It looks like it came off the show room.
The 4th gen GTO that should have hit the market was the one-off Woodward Dream Cruise Edition. That looked amazing!
I had a ‘06 torrid red w/red & black interior, A4 & a Maggy, loved the car! Unfortunately I had to let it go after finding out from a friend that works for GM that GM had started discontinued parts. I sold it while it was still looking good & settled with with a 2011 C6 Grand Sport M6. 😞
Right wheels and drop , makes night and day difference in looks...
I've got a no 6 metallic blue. Love the car, it's been reliable, but it brand new. Haven't done a lot to it? Kept it un the garage doesn't have a lot of damage to the exterior at the car interior and my wife likes arriving at two, it's got an automatic so she can do so.
I had a 2006 Impulse Blue Metallic 6-speed with blue leather interior. Loved that car! Lost it during the 2008-2009 recession.
Just sold my C5 Corvette (which was VERY problematic) to get another one; or a G8 GT
Awesome cars I had an 05 sold it about ten years ago and am now looking to buy another. For some reason I actually want an 04 the plain looks making it more of a sleeper and they are a little cheaper lol. Good video as always man.
I’m looking to buy an 04. I plan to change exhaust regardless, so it’s just a back bumper additional cost. Stroke a 5.3 to 383 so initial engine isn’t important. I want a cowl hood so the 05-06 isn’t necessary.
The intentions I have make paying extra for the 05-06 is pointless, as I’m not looking for resale value. I want to reach a 1000hp to hunt hellcats. That’s the plan anyway.
I bought my 04 new and still have it. 140k miles and very reliable. Same issue with the water pump and clutch master cylinder crapped out. Since it's pretty much a toy now, I want to make it a street monster
I have a 2006 GTO and it is such a fun car, it's a keeper for me.
I was working at the factory that built them at the time 2001-2006
Also it’s MonAro not MonEro lol
Great video thank you they are all cult following here in Australia as well .. aAlso I see the Chevy SS is a huge hit in America now it’s a pity it didn’t save GM closing the factory here in Australia as we not only lost our most beloved car maker we also lost the ability to manufacture automobiles all together, it had a lot to do with our government at the time not allowing tax breaks and also ending tariffs on imported cars
I bought an 04 used an 06 LS 16 speed and now has a tunnel ram dart heads and a relatively mild cam and it pulls to 6700 RPMs runs mid 12s and gets 28 miles to the gallon cruising over 70 my best car evernow has 166 on it and still as strong as ever
Nice video good job!
This explains the 4th gen lol.
I’ve had two honestly and I love the looks maybe I have bad taste but damn… they get me 💯
It’s been my dream car since I first saw one in the wild 2006ish
I was in my 76 formula firebird I had just got running a few week’s earlier guy had an 05 I think and put on a show for me in the late 70s fbody 🤣😂😅 fker was gone… ✌️
I have a 06. 6speed 73,000 It’s absolutely fantastic . I get so many 👍👍 from people. I’ve got up to 140 mph in Death Valley Just as smooth as silk. Great road trip car for 2 people. I Love Mine ❤
I had a 2006 Impulse Blue one, it had a 6-speed and blue leather seats. I loved this car!
Only problem I had of it was the ignition switch and ignition cylinder. All fixed under warranty.
Lost it during the recession in 2009, which sucked!
To be honest, I’d rather have another one besides my 2001 C5 Vette
It’s a monster just like my 69 Camaro 396 4 speed my 68 327 c10,my 84 I rock z 394 stroked aluminum headed forged internals 4speed Auto with 373 gears. My 81z well it’s stock down to the 8 track but style is through the roof or t-tops. Really love my GTO 300,000 miles and will still disintegrate a set of ties. One time 3sets in one oil change. To drive one it’s awesome!!!
Balanced car quality not a Chrysler. ✅
I have a 2005 GTO black on black 6 speed, 40,000 miles, drive it sparingly always gets attention when I take it out. Just don’t see any on the e road
I miss my Goat...it was Murdered by a careless driver. 🥺
Damn dude. That sucks. I would try to find another. Damn nice cars.
I had an 06 quicksilver with 49,000 miles that was murdered by a big buck, insurance paid off and got another 06 in Spice Red metallic with 29,000.
I have a 2006 Brazen metallic orange one and i have 107 grand on it and runs fantastic I get compliments all the time there are at least a dozen people that have an interest of buying it but I'm not selling it this car is a gas to drive I take good care of this car really fulfills my need for speed and I'm 67 years old not bad for a sleeper car
Picked up and 04 with 117k miles for 7k this summer. Always wanted one since I was a teenager. It’s an automatic but that’s easier for the wife lol we love it. It’s all stock but we have some big plans for it.
Nice man 👍🤙
you dont buy a performance car for your wife
Funny you mentioned the Bermuda blue. I have one, lol.
I would have bought one except for the fact that Pontiac brought it out on the 40th anniversary of the 1964 GTO with a car that looked nothing like the original. It was such an insulting and arrogant move by Pontiac that they deserved to go out of business a few years down the road. What could have been should be the epitaph for this car!!!
Exactly mate
Very interesting that the 04-06 GTO was a rebadged Holden Monaro from Australia, I do have one question, if they're so good then how come it didn't save Pontiac from death (even though it didn't sell well due to lack of retro styling and advertisements)?
I have owned my 04 m6 gto for over 10 years, black on black. Love the car, very well built
what radiator you running ??
@@mikestanly749 stock
The AUS change relative to the US was the problem. It was built to a 25k USD price point, with the change in currency, they had to sell it for 33k USD which caused the problem with meeting numbers [0].
[0] - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontiac_GTO#Fifth_generation
Phantom Black, red/blk interior 6 spd, lightly modded, I bought it new.
The big problem was, to me, that this version of the GTO bore no resemblance to the original GTO. This was more of a road racing car than a true muscle car. The Dodge Challenger, on the other hand, bore a ton of resemblance to the original, has been a success.
the styling of a challenger is much more appealing to casual car guys i think. challengers and chargers are also more mainstream to people, either way every challenger guy i see is intimidated by the 6.0 badge lmao
Exactly mate, had the 04-06 GTO had retro styling with some modern performance then it would've not only sold like hotcakes but it would've also saved Pontiac as well.
04 GTO and the 05 06 don't take very much on a long straight away to hit 200 with with very light mods now if you want to do it in a half a mile or a mile that could get pricey but if you give it a minute that damn thing we'll climb no problem
Great video brother at the moment I own a 98 corvette c5 base model. I am getting tired of 2 seats and I wish I had more space would you recommend upgrading to the gto or what do you think ? I do not want to go back to mustangs lol. Thanks
Thanks for tuning in man 👍🤙. Well, wouldn't call a GTO an "upgrade" more of a lateral move. Both great in there prospective class. If money is no concern is would go with the newer Chevy SS. If you are on a budget either a GTO or G8 (GT) is the way to go. 👍👍
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Chevy SS sedan is a great car I have both GTO and the SS both great cars the SS has a usable trunk and tons of safety and luxury items
I missed my 06 GTO due to hit and run. May get another one in the future.
I'm always looking.. I may have to scoop one back up again the future as well. 👍👍
It’s just like the Chevy SS, they didn’t advertise them. Almost like they didn’t want to sell them. The G8 did fairly well. All over now tho Holden is done 😕
We got wagon one's too and g8 wagons
Fact: torrid red in Australia is torch red. From an 06' owner who found a body sticker in the chassis of the car. Owned mine for 8 years so far, thanks to Rhys Millen for getting me hooked on the GTO.
The red on the monaro's and hsv coupes in Australia was called "sting red" or "red hot" same colour stamped on the body ID plate. They did make a monaro called the cv8r which came out in a darker red called "pulse red".
Two things I never understood regarding popular criticism: "It looks like a Cavalier," To me, it looks most like a Grand Prix coupe, which I guess make sense since its a 2 door Pontiac with 90s styling. "It was a failure because it was only on sale for 3 years," Gm planned this car to be discontinued at the end of 2006 to make way for the next gen Holden Commodore which the Monaro/GTO was based on. Apparently there was no plan for another generation of Monaro so then no GTO. You could make the argument that the G8 which was based on the new Commodore and came out in 2008 was the successor to the GTO. They stopped making those when they stopped making Pontiacs.
Bought my Cyclone grey new in early 2007. 6 speed 66K miles on it now . I have for sure had more repairs then you but never left on side of road. Manageable maintenance fees cuz they happen so seldom. Been garaged whole life and shows no wear.
Most of my struggles when it was my daily driver was the ignition switch would go out. Now that it sits, I’ve had to get the throttle body cleaned which was causing me an idling issue. Other than that my biggest struggle is just keeping the battery charged!
I love my GTO for a lot of the reasons you listed and a few more. I like how they are fairly rare and there isn't a ton of other ones at a car show or meet. It's not the fastest car I've owned but I definitely slides better then any other car I've had. They drift very well and are easy to control. There is a ton of aftermarket support for them also. They have a few flaws like their weight, brakes and crappy stitching on the seats but all of those problems can be easily addressed aside from the weight. I also get more respect from car guys in the gto. Mustang guys don't even fuck with me on the street. I think in a few more years they will start going up in value also. Like you said probably half have been totaled or parted out.
i cut 200 pounds out of my gto easy, being 200 pounds heavier is alot better than 400. just be glad were not challenger weight lmao.
@@StelioKontos42069 all I've done is add weight to my gto so it's even more of a fatty lol. I did the doors and floor to the back seat in Dyna mat, im doing to trunk floor and lid in dyna mat soon, 12" sub and amp is probably another 35 40 lbs. I've also got a Nx express nitrous kit that weights 20 lbs with a full bottle. I'm probably touting an extra 150 to 175 lb. The dyna Mat has made a huge difference in road noise and took away all the squeaks out. So the extra weight is worth it to me and the Nutrous more then makes up for it.
@@ziptiejedi5658 oh yeah im sure the nitrous makes up for that weight and then some. crazy the road noise bothers you mine is very quiet, did you check to see if someone before you removed the sound dampening from the doors maybe? either way if you wanted the trouble you could break even on weight doing what every gto owner does to cut weight.
@@StelioKontos42069 The road noise wasnt bad except where the shift comes through the floor. The rubber grommet that seals the shifter up was basically destroyed and let a lot of air and noise in but I didn't know that until I took everything apart to do the dyna mat. Now its super quiet inside the car. No rattles inside or out with my radio turned way1 up. And it killed the drone I would get in the cabin from the Slp exhaust. I'm going to swap out the Slp exhaust VAREX adjustable muffler system that can make it almost a quiet as stock to pretty loud with a hit of a switch or I can use an app on my phone. I guess I'm getting old and starting to like my car a little quieter then loud as hell.
I own a good one, garage kept. Love the car.
Shame they made them look so bland for the US market. What you needed was the HSV GTO Coupe version.
Only 830 made it to the UK, so super rare here :)
Yeah it really is. Wow that is low! But probably pretty neat to see one!
@@VetOnVettes before getting mine, I think I’d only seen 2 maybe 3 in the wild in 15 years!
The Aussie GTO was a fill in for the outgoing Camaro and FIrebird. They got shit on for their looks but were the 4th gen F bodies any more attractive? I've got an 04 IBM with the blue interior, They were a bit more advanced in the fact that you got IRS. Their build quality was far superior to what GM was making at the time too. The 04 GTO interior was far nicer than a same year Corvette. Oh yeah, its still under 28,000 miles.
I know old people with gtos and well I’m 21 and I have one too
I get of people asking me if I wanna sell it but I know better I get a lot people coming up to the car and are amazed that it a LS2
I ve had 2004 gto purple 6 spd only for 3k miles lol
The GTO disappeared because Holden stopped making the Monaro!!
Had 2004 model in 2007
They didn’t get rig of the yellow on 05. I own an 05 YJ.
You are correct. I need to follow up this video with a few corrections. Good looking out though. 🤙🤙
fifth gen, not 4th gen, Torrid Red did not "become" and has virtually no relation to Spice Red Metallic, and if you ever see a Cavalier and a GTO in the same picture you will see they look nothing alike. GTOs are clean and sleek Euro styling, and still are mistaken for new by the uninitiated because the styling is timeless. And yes, bought mine new in 2006 and love it.
Reviews were lukewarm?!? Evo magazine. the gold standard of European exotics, gave it a rare four of five stars, well higher than many cars that cost multiples, Top Gear UK called it magical, and their favorite muscle car, Road and Tracker: GTO vs. Charger, go for the KO with the GTO. Mustang (post-Fox) and Charger were both muscle cars of same era. So much misinformation.
I do agree the marketing sucked. Really sucked.
Also your prediction of future value was good. I think of them similar to E body Cudas. Barracudas were, even in their best year 1970, only 1/3 and 1/4 of Camaro and Mustang sales, but are the most sought after today. sales figures at the time are not a predictor of future value.
Me and my gto have an abusive relationship with each other.
Haha
Why , explain
Anyone know what this dude's rate was?
I was a MM (for 5 years on subs). Cross rated to to AZ for for 5 more.
The t56 is to expensive 🤣 thats why I have manual 4l80e
The auto in the GTO shifts second hard enough to chirp and spin the tires a bit better than most autos car is stock I am the original owner.
Wrong they didn't get rid of yellow in 05 i got a yellow jacket 05😂
Oh no shit! Good info. Will make amendment statement next video. 🤙👍
i have one :)
I an an original owner of a 2004 PBM A4. Except it’s now a LS3 418. 2nd motor..3rd transmissions Numerous brakes, tires, alternators and my original starter just went out. Different hood bumpers fenders, everything. Lol. Seriously thinking of selling just because I want a Vette. Click my page to hear my car.
MANUALS ARE BETTER ALL DAY AND NIGHT, IF YOU CAN DRIVE
2004 owner here...bought brand in April 04. First one in town. Only 78,000 miles in 16 years. Best car ever owned. Mostly stock. Coworkers recognize my Goat. Stock 04 exhaust sound is great...too good to change for a better performance muffler. Changed the tail-lights for HSV version. Removed the spoiler. Still turns heads...not bad for an ugly cavalier.
not one thing on it is even close to that of a cav , and if your dumb enough to take the wing off then you are that .
I have an 06 with 142k
I really miss mine. Something tells me I will own one again in the near future.
💥💥 You know what else I thought was a pretty good looking car, the Pontiac G8 I seen this guy with a red one with black rims and it had to be the souped-up version with the spoiler and the kit everything damn that car looked bad ass
I miss Pontiac and Oldsmobile I'm sick of seeing all these Japanese cars Toyota, Hondas, Hyundai, Nissan's, kia even though Kia is a South Korean brand
Nah bro, they messed up because ford had the terminator kicking ass!
Def not a failure