A year later it is still mind boggling that they got as far as they did with fundamentally flawed decisions and logic. Carbon fiber as a material choice is the equivalent of a chocolate castle in a desert
Also fails to elaborate that commercial subs fall into two categories - shallow water for engineering or tourism, and deep water scientific, and they're worlds apart in terms of design, cost, and usage. What he tried to do was bodge the first category design and build into the second category usage. The bit that kinda baffles me a little is the passengers who never thought 'I wonder why this doesn't look anywhere near as substantial or over built as James Cameron's one?"
@duncanhamilton584 the entire premise of the company was to introduce deep sea tourism. To be profitable you have to take enough passengers. There are too many reasons to explain here why the traditional titanium sphere submersible cannot be built large enough to accommodate enough passengers.
The full quote is generally reasonable. Yes, every action in life is a risk-reward analysis, and the only way to absolutely minimize risk is to never leave your bed. You take a risk taking a shower, you take a risk cooking, leaving the house, etc etc. All completely true, at some point safety is just pure waste. Where he failed was at the part of "breaking all the rules being just as safe." The goal should be more efficiently follow the idiot-proofing rules, not throw them out...
@@giin97 yeah, exactly my thought: how can a guy be that smart, and not even realize the faulitness in his own "as safe while breaking the rules" analogy...? driving a car, there is always a rest of risk, yes. but it is lowered BY FOLLOWING THE RULES!!!! how on earth do you want to make it "as safe while breaking" if FOLLOWING the rules IS THE THING that makes it less dangerous????????? PRINCETON FFS!!!!!!!
The OceanGate people failed for the same reason Enron did: they were smart enough to get around the rules but not wise enough to realize why the rules were there in the first place.
Rush knew the dangers involved but insisted on using his unproven design, I'm guessing because it was quite a bit lighter than steel- But as we found out also weaker than steel. Of course when lives are on the line you MUST go with a tried & true design. Period.
there's something so eerie about watching a man talk on his own hubris knowing he's been just.. vaporized. like my brain can't make that make sense almost
Just makes you almost wish he was somehow able to see how foolish he looks now, I would've been happier if he wasn't on the sub when it exploded so he could deal with the fallout from this disaster, and see how his narcissism and hubris killed people
These people don't care. If they did they wouldn't have done it in the first place. He'd have just blamed someone else and moved on. I just wish he was alone, those people he dragged with him were the real victims. @@oliverfrots9300
Those ticket prices sure as heck weren't "low budget." Someone should have reinvested in his business. Could have had multi million dollar subs created by a total think tank of mental giant engineers which would have made his business safer and far more sustainable. And ultimately over time far more profitable. The man indeed had those billion dollar clients, all the more to reinvest in his equipment. I mean...a PS1 controller?
The fact that his holy grail of safety was the "hull monitoring system" when the failure mode would be so fast you'd never even get the message the hull was failing.
I love he added the caveat of commercial Submarines which are few and far between. The Navies of the world have and still do bear the brunt of submarine fatalities.
They're statistically the safest because there is significantly less of them and experts control them. Put as many subs as there are cars in the ocean and let regular men and women control them, and they'll be the most unsafe.
@@Blxz It truly amazes me when people see an activity with low rates of injury or death while also having a lot of regulations and rather than assume the regulations keep them safe, they assume the regulations must be unnecessary.
Just pure arrogance on his part. He was trying to disparage the actual experts in this field by suggesting they are too old to accept new advances in materials and mechanics. Turns out they were right.
@@JamesDBlanc Yeah. He is different. He's in a million pieces at the bottom of the ocean being eaten by marine animals. Along with his 4 victims I might add.
I'm just a chemical engineer but even I know that carbon fiber works great for tensile loads but is weak in terms of compression and shear stress a sub would experience underwater. It's great for gas bottles, maybe it's good for spacecraft but it's not supposed to go into a sumbarine. Also I don't get the problem with weight to buoancy ratio he speaks of. Why even care? Some styrofoam floaters cost nothing. You could even make a submarine using steel. It would be extremelely thick, heavy and big but it's possible.
@@alexmin4752 Styrofoam would deform too much. Also, the bigger problem with carbon fibers is that it's not an homogeneous material and it's very hard to test its aging and imperfection accurately.
A degree isn't proof of intelligence or competence, it's just proof that some place gave you a degree, which usually means just remembering the list of things they want you to remember long enough to regurgitate answers for a test. Or it could mean that your parents simply had enough money/influence to get it for you.
I don't think removing the fence was the issue. The issue was they never really tested the submersible. They should have made it do like 100+ downs then ups, then cut the thing in half and examined it. Engineers at the company wanted to do that, but were told it would be too expensive. There's nothing wrong with innovating, they just weren't checking their work. If you look at like a spaceX rocket, they're doing crazy new things, and destructively test vehicles to find out what to fix next. Oceangate could have done something similar and created a truly innovative vehicle. I'm sure the final thing would have been quite a bit more reinforced than the Titan, but it would have been safer. Oh well.
..and that commands common sense. Hard to understand. Sounds to me it was not a rare occursion, that one or two things were out of the ordinary with the titan...and therefore they came up with the three strikes rule. If you think about, that this might be the background, it becomes even more crazy.
My son is a flight line mechanic for one of the Air Force bases in town and if something's not right or even if they can't find a tool those planes don't fly
Uplifting to know submarine rules have reached a golden state where, if you follow them, you can be at ease that they'll be safe. This man reminded everyone why the rules were so strict.
Yes, he maintained submarines were relatively safe vehicles yet abandoned the many regulations in his own sub that would include it in that safe group. Moron.
This was his second attempt, after being incredibly confident he could probably just hold his breath wayyyyyy longer than 'none genius' humans - and simply swim down to the Titanic.
It wasn't just that. He was trash talking all of the other sub builders about their materials choice while spewing BS. I don't understand how he had engineering partners and they decided to go with a material that needed to be in tension to work and that would fatigue.
@@nicolethomas1674 Money is a great motivator. As long as the paycheck is huge and they are not forced to participate in the ride you will always find people ready to built death traps.
People with that much money live in a different universe where actions cannot have consequences that money cannot solve. Unfortunately, the ocean will not accept a bribe to delay crushing you into a human bread ball, and he probably genuinely hadn't thought of this until the Wii mote ran out of batteries.
He said this after around 80 people died in a Argentinian submarine a couple years ago. I served on submarines for around 8 years and I agree that they are safer than most people would think. But the kicker is when something goes any bit wrong on a sub, it goes very wrong.
yeah the second I saw that (I had never seen that speech before) I understood just how deep his hubris went. Subs are used mainly by militaries, with trained people who follow strict rules. Not by the common man every day. Rhe fact he thought crash/casualty rates were comparable between the most common means of transportation versus a fucking submarine. is just ignorance. It's like people who think the A10 has a hogh Blue on Blue rate. Is it high? Yes, it is. Now compare it to planes that routinely called in to help soldiers with munitions within a hundred feet of soldiers. It's not comparable.
And you know, all those pesky regulations that Rush ignored might have been there for a reason, regulations are written in blood, the fact that they're safe is because of how strict the rules for them are.
I hate that he never even got to learn his lesson. He went to the grave thinking he was smarter than everyone else, and he dragged the rest of the people in that sub down with him.
It’s more likely than not that he was aware that the hull was failing in the moments before he died. There was a hill failure alarm that detected damage. He had at least a few moments of terror and seeing the terror on the face of his innocent victims. It would have sounded crazy, like thousands of glass shards smashing. Loud and terrifying.
@@shambolicrhetoric6143most failures under pressure that extreme are catastrophic and occur in a fraction of a fraction of a second. They were almost certainly liquified before the alarm could even trigger.
@@philhiller-mn1gw Nope. The astronauts aren't really stranded. It's an intentional decision to stay in space and try to collect evidence of why they have a leak, so their next build can improve. But they don't need to fix anything to be able to return.
@@shambolicrhetoric6143 It's possible, but given that he apparently had heard cracking noises during dives before and completely ignored them, it's equally possible his last words were dismissing their concerns and insisting everything was going as planned.
"When the Sun extinguishes, there will still be hydrothermal vents." Uh, no, there won't be, because there won't be oceans at that point. They'll have evaporated around five billion years before that.
Lol right? The earth will be vaporized, along with Mercury and Venus. I forget if Mars is inside the circumference of the sun's expansion before it peters out and becomes a white dwarf, but regardless, the earth is going bye-bye.
@@WobblesandBean We do not know Some models show the earth surving because as the sun enlarges it will lose mass allowing the earth to move further away
@@Michael-sb8jf even if Earth physically survives the Sun's red giant phase, it won't have water at that point. Liquid oceans on Earth will be pretty much gone in about a billion years, long before the Sun even leaves the main sequence. And in any case, Earth's geological activity will fade over time, which would turn off most hydrothermal vents too. Any way you slice it, there's no way going underwater would help humans survive the death of the Sun. Maybe there's some way we could escape, but that ain't it.
No worries. It takes maybe a thousand years to fully terraform Mars with the right technologies. 5,000 years to terraform Venus. If we only have a billion years left on Earth, by that time we can drain the oceans and transport the water, along with everything, to another star system, to a planet so similar that life will not only survive, but thrive there. We'll take the soil and the trees and the bees too. Everything and everyone.
@@andyjasso3050 Not only that, but it's useless when it comes to compression stress. Carbon fiber is unbelievably durable, but for tensile strength only.
Also, from my understanding, the deal with carbon fiber is that it's not as easy to find flaws or cracks in the haul unlike steel. On steel hauls they can use X-ray sensors as well as other methods to find micro cracks withIN the steel itself, cracks that might not be visible on the surface but is present within the metal itself. I also heard that basically the very first dive is pretty much the strongest the haul is ever going to be (with microfiber), but after repeated dives ANY micro cracks in the microfiber haul are _WAY_ more dangerous to the structure because of the characteristics of MF. Micro cracks aren't wanted at all, but if they showed up in steel then at least the structure is still very strong. In micro fiber it's critical.
“When I started the business old timers told me I was nuts.” There’s a reason they are old timers, sir. They followed the rules and *lived* long enough to *be* old.
@@SpoopySquid Another good saying: "Be wary of an old man in a business where men die young". It doesn't 100% fit here, but I just really like that saying.
@@josh___somethingnot really: remember that half the reason religion exists is people really HATE the idea that people they don’t like won’t KNOW they messed up…that evil people can “get away with it”
Doesn't mean that's not a true statement though. There is definitely a point of diminishing returns when it comes to safety measures. There is also a point where the "safety gains" are so minuscule relative to the cost increase that it becomes pure waste. This is true in just about any industry one can think of.
@@Withlovefrominterentwhat are you talking about. In what sector would this be true ? Safety rules always stem from previous faults. That’s why the rules were developed. Dude broke the first rule of engineering thinking he knew more than he actually did. Saying your an expert in aerospace is the most ridiculous things I’ve ever heard. I’m an aerospace engineer and I know little to nothing about aerospace.
The media trying to portray this guy as a genius and an inspiration when he was the one who caused his own death and dragged 4 other people with him. He should be placed in every health and safety advisory as a reminder.
Rush has contributed greatly to the diving community. Now others know what not to do. He gave it his all as well as four of his friends for the pursuit of knowledge and shortcut engineering that will come in handy for generations of engineers to come. If I ever build a submersible I will definitely take a look see at Rushes designs so I will be better informed on what mistakes to not make. A lot of people will be appreciative for his contribution to the field. Example: We have learned to not take over inflated egos down to that depth because it leads to all kinds of problems.
@@charlesmiller8107Rush’s “contribution” is the equivalent of putting square wheels on cars, against the advice of everyone else, and “discovering” that they indeed don’t work as well as round ones.
The media loves billionaires and ESPECIALLY pseudo-futurist tech bro billionaires who promise all the cool looking stuff we see in science fiction. Rarely do they actually do the due diligence of questioning or verifying the claims of these billionaires. They just uncritically glaze them parroting whatever nonsense they put out because it _sounds_ cool. Look at Elon Musk for heaven’s sake! A total snake oil fraud who fancies himself as an engineer but profits off of the designs and work of other actually qualified people. What happens when he personally has a lot of say on a project? Look no further than twitter or the cyber truck.
@@charlesmiller8107 The *real* contribution of his will be *how* he at all managed to build this thing legally thanks to a lot of loopholes. Several knowledgeable people voiced their concern and were worried *before* the disaster but to no avail. First and most foremost he operated a deep-sea submersible which had *not* been independently tested in the rigorous safety tests proper deep-sea submersibles are and that *alone* should have made his operation *illegal* . From what I've read he bypassed all that by having the passengers sign a waiver that they "knew" they entered an "experimental design". Not sure it said it had not gone through the regular tests required for classification but even so I doubt Stockton Rush's customers actually read the entire waiver or gave much thought about what they actually signed (a legal pretext freeing Stockton Rush from any responsibility of their deaths). Another thing: In order to bypass regulations he arbitrarily made his passengers "mission specialists" so they in essence became trained researches overnight. *What a joke* . We live in a world where you have to do your homework. Be it buying a new car, house, booking a trip, investing in X, Y or Z... and especially so when you embark on a particularly dangerous deep sea dive. Stockton Rush should *never* have gotten away with it. So his real contribution is all the questions and all analyzing which will reveal how this was allowed to happen at all in 2023.
@@wolpertingera5829 this comment is even more hilarious when you realise the Cyclops is named after the real life Cyclops sub made by OceanGate 😂 Like they even acknowledge the trademark in the games credits lol. (Commented this before it got the section about the fucking cyclops, goddamnit lol).
If someone building a SUB?! says with full confidence "at some point safety is just a waste" you will never find me or anyone I love in that sub. That is a man who has not defeated his ego. This disaster was inevitable with an attitude like that. Especially with something so complicated.
I mean, it's a true statement, though. We do risky things every day, the biggest one being driving. It's one of the top killers, yet we do it. And even for free time activities, going to concerts is dangerous. Skydiving is dangerous. Hiking is dangerous. Going on a vacation is dangerous. There's a lot of things we do that have a little bit of elevated risk, something you can't account for, or something that would be exceedingly expensive to account for (e.g. we could make cars almost perfectly safe if we limit the speeds to 15mph everywhere! But that's not acceptable in most people's eyes, right?) But obviously Rush miscalculated the risk of his submarine, ironically with the one part that really needed to be safe, that he knew needed to be safe.
@@MeMe-gm9di personally I despise cars and think it'd be great if the US would get on the train train already.. so arguing about "we do it anyway" is a lil silly. we "do it anyway" because the oil and gas industry have us by the short hairs. but it's true, we do an awful lot that the average person never considers to be unsafe, because it's standard.
@@peachy_lili I mean, cars kill people in basically every country in the world. Though I do get your point, of course. I would love to limit cars, especially around humans, quite a lot! Limiting traffic to 15mph within city boundaries, if that was actually reliably enforced, would be a tradeoff I'd make. But the argument still stands! Currently, there's no political will for that.
This actually makes me very sad in hindsight, he clearly began to realize his dream would not come to fruition in his lifetime so he rushed it, taking others down with him in sheer arrogance
There is a Futurama scene where their spaceship is being pulled underwater and the professor says “dear lord that is 150 atm of pressure” and Fry asks “how many atm it can take” and the professor answers “its a spaceship so anywhere between 0 and 1”
Funny enough, it's way easier to build a spacecraft than submarine. Spacecraft doesn't need to handle any pressure, only radiation really. Tricky part is getting it into space and keeping it there.
Ironically, the exact same Titan carbon fiber hull design could have handled outer space very well, not surprisingly since it was designed by aviation and aerospace engineers that had experience with carbon fiber spacecraft, which is never at risk of catastrophic delamination of the carbon fiber since the highest pressures are inside the craft and the hull is basically a balloon in tension. Titan failed because not all the materials you can make a spacecraft out of are the materials that are safe to make a submarine out of; when you put carbon fiber into compression instead of tension, it can suffer catastrophic delamination and collapse with almost no warning. If Rush had used Titan to take passengers into outer space with hydrogen balloons or some such, they might all still be healthy and happy.
Right?! And what they showed on screen was obviously just an ad-hoc list of issues they had identified (including some guy's workbench being cluttered...), rather than any sort of systematic procedure. Excel is a terrible tool for either task, anyway.
No one's walking around with clipboards anymore. It's all done through hosted software that shares the checklist with the entire company, something like bluebeam
Rush is legitimately responsible for the negligent homicide of those passengers. Him being smug while saying “submarines are the safest vehicles on the planet” and then deciding that all of these safety measures are unnecessary is proof that he’s nowhere near as smart as he thought he was. Almost every story about the Titanic focuses on the hubris of man and the proclamation that it’s “unsinkable.” Not once did he appreciate the irony of his own ego.
I’ve always liked the aviation expression “There are old pilots and bold pilots but there are no old bold pilots” Guess that applies to submarine pilots as well.
"Your lights can go-" Perfect ending. That's exactly how 'long' it took for five people to turn into pasta sauce. It's weird to think about. Literally faster than our brains can process. So much violence, unfathomable to experience.
If it really happened without warning in an instant, i can think of much worse ways to die. For example uncountable numbers of refugees drowning in the mediterran sea wihle every captain who wants to save them from drowning gets sued. Stockton and the people with him, knew (more or less) what they were up, took the risk and lost - not time to cry, just move on and remember to not use a thin resin hull as only life insurance against very high pressures.
All the jokes aside, Stockton did ask one interesting question: "Could a carbon fibre hull work for depth diving." From an engineering and scientific perspective, this is an interesting question. It's just unfortunate that Rush and his team of cavalier cowboys, instead of a competent team of engineers and carbon fibre experts, took a swing at it. From what I've read, the carbon fibre winding that was used for the Titan hull was significantly weakened because of the single direction of the winding - it would have been stronger in a diamond pattern but that would have significantly increased cost (Stockton clearly was pennypinching) Hopefully some professionals take up this challenge and answer this question in the future
@@scroopynooperz9051 Not an expert afaik carbon fibre is really bad for this, no matter the shape it doesn't have the qualities that make metal good for subs. It's already an amazing material for other uses, leave it for those and make subs with titanium which is already good for this.
I remember in an interview, James Cameron talked about diving in experimental subs he’d built. He emphasized that the crew was him and a qualified engineer who knew the risks. When you listen to Rush talk, he’s talking in the language of pure selfishness. He had zero concern for his passengers
hell, we can even give credit to Cameron for knowing the damage to his legacy and reputation if he's wrong about stuff like that. Rush had no such concerns, totally believed he was 100% right. that's just sad. never believe your own hype
@@peachy_liliSometimes I believe these "billionaires" are like those carnival hype men that forget what they are saying is a lie and start to believe their bs.
@@RandalfElVikingoI guess that happens if a person is too used to solving every problem with money and don't want to listen to people who aren't as "sucessfull" as him 🤷♂️
eh I know nothing about the deep sea and titanic and yet when I heard about Titans design and construction I thought nope I do not want to die in that death trap so never even considered trying to get a ride on it and now I am glad I followed my belief it was a death trap made to kill people because Stockton's dead and I am so much still alive
@@deanobeany if I wanted to go on it yes but the idea of a sub made from carbon fiber which breaks down plus the construction video were a moronic guy was touching the titanium with his bare hands after cleaning it told me yeah it's a death trap even if the carbon fibers good what was the point of cleaning it just to make it dirty again with oils from your hands which weaken the glues holding the carbon fiber to the titanium when it's going to need maximum strength to not implode I knew if some rich dipshit did not care about his own safety that much my money is better spent on other things then a piece of trash like titan💀💀
You people never get off your couch, lazy and scared, It was experimental. Type experimental into google see how many people changed the world and some died.
That acoustic monitoring system was the most absurd safety feature they have. The moment even a single fibre broke, it means the strenght has been execeeded and shell is done for. On its max depth where it really matters, there is no way back from that single failing strand.
They (the people on the _Titan_ ) didn't know what happened. When 300 atmospheres of pressure crushes in, the air compresses and superheats to many thousands of degrees in a thousandth of a second. They were reduced to ash in less time than it takes you to blink, they never felt a single thing. Their nervous systems ceased to exist before they realized something was happening. They were just wet ash less than a second after that hull failed.
@@thedungeondelverCanadian coastguard heard them banging on the walls of the vessel under the water but couldn't find them. They were down there for a while in a broken submarine waiting for their death.
Everyone saying they didnt know what was happening is full of shit and plain wrong. They sent a distress call 20 minutes before the implosion, they knew they were about to die. They could hear the carbon fibers cracking all around them and must have been absolutely terrified.
@@DrewPWeenie1 I haven't run the numbers, but I presume that that type of rapid compression would have briefly brought the temperature of their remains up at least 800C where, yes, molecular bonds are going to break.
@@firstnamelastname9918 I haven’t thought of that. Haha. I was a little lit earlier (chemo). At 6000 psi… yeah I’d probably say you’re correct after thinking about it for a bit hahaha.
I just pictured the ghosts in historical outfits walking around the ship and Stockton is just there in chinos trying to explain carbon fibre to a scullery maid
I'm not sticking up for Stockton, nor think it was a good idea to dive more than once in the titan.. But a lot of the safety these days is from people who clearly lack common sense
Stockton seriously used the fact that safety regulations had kept submariners safe from serious injury for 35 years as his reason for not following them. The man was completely deluded.
Survivorship Bias. It's strangly common. It was even practiced by the US military throughout WWII when re engineering aircraft based on strike patterns.
That was the biggest red flag for me. Another way to say what he said: "For the last 35 years safety regulations have kept millions of lives safe under water. None of those regulations have passed on my sub."
Yet touts the safety of submarines, which do follow the rules, as an argument why HIS submarine was also safe. Hey submarines are super safe, they transport millions of people with barely any deaths, due to their strict safety regulations. Anyway, I build my own, and ignored those safety regulations, so come hop on, submarines are safe, so so is mine!
Oceangate, specifically the Titanic expeditions, is a great study on why safety is more than just a set of "rules." Safety is a culture, whether it's on a job site or at the bottom of the ocean, and a failure to uphold that can and will cost lives. Stockton Rush is a testament to what happens when arrogance meets ignorance.
When this accident happened my lecturer said exploring the ocean is more dangerous than space just because humans are familiar with the ocean so they often underestimate how dangerous it is.
Yeah, and I expected a little more info post-tragedy, but then the video just ended... I normally love presentations like this but this seemed like a shallow dive (lol).
Right? Literally the second the video ended, I was like "tf? This is all the same regurgitated information" & "how was it worse?"... hate click bait...😒
he keeps going back to the fact that no one has been injured in a submarine in forever, but also says that he has to break all the rules to do what he wants to do. maybe, perhaps, there is a chance, that the lack of injuries were from the very tight regulations that You are choosing to ignore
It's also important to note, when you're over a thousand feet underwater there's no in-between from perfectly fine and crushed like a tin can. You don't get injured from a submarine, you either live or die instantly.
@@hjohnson966 When you're that rich, you start genuinely, literally thinking you are above consequences. You can pay off every legal system put in place to keep the lesser folk in line, so surely you can pay off the very laws of physics to prevent this submarine from crushing you, right?
I think the families of the crews for the Kursk and the San Juan would disagree with his statement that no one has been injured or killed on a sub in the last 35 years.
The fact that he purposefully cites no sub injuries in the last 30 years when purposefully going outside that safety envelope should have been a huge red flag.
"This would qualify as a sub injury under the guidelines of sub safety...LUCKY WE CHOOSE TO OPERATE OUTSIDE THOSE GUIDELINES! ZING! Man, safety and physics is just like settin' up a company: you can choose where you operate, and, bam, the rules of other places don't apply!"
It was a huge red flag for most people with a brain and everybody in the sub community. All the necessary information was out there and The only thing that differentiates the common village idiot from multi-millionaires like Rush and billionaires like Dawood is the number on their bank and offshore accounts. Nobody was forced into that pringles can and everyone signed a waiver that mentioned death multiple times on the first page. No regard for their own safety, no critical thinking, not even some basic survival instinct just a padded wallet and blind trust for a guy who openly bragged about cutting corners and breaking 'over the top' safety rules every chance he got. You didn't need the vast resources of a billionaire before the incident to gather all the necessary information online about OceanGate, Stockton Rush and CyclopsII/Titan to realize that Titan is a ticking suicide capsule. You just needed some common sense or a relatively good judge of character like 20 year old Sean Bloom and his friends had which resulted in his father giving up their seats which were then taken by Dawood and his wife who then gave her place up last minute and stayed on the mothership with their daugther because the son really wanted to go. It would be interesting to know how many people actually decided against a trip with OceanGate.
23:20 "...safest part of the expedition will be the submarine part.."🤥🙄Numerous people called him out on it, yet he was still able to garner support & funding to proceed.😳
@@crimsondynamo615 Rapture wasn't a real place. Its rise and collapse has literally no significance, because it was all written as a narrative. A narrative that has far more to do with commentary on the failings of Randian, hypercapitalist philosophy then on the practical viability of an underwater city.
@@lighterflud nukes were still brand new when macarthur wanted to use them on the yalu river. i wouldnt say that makes him a dumb ass, he seemed more like a firebrand to me. We are lucky Truman and Eisenhower realized the awesome power of nukes and had the foresight to set a precedent for not using them willy nilly.
So, in your world, motorcycles would be banned? Hey, Stockton Rush may have been an arrogant jerk. But he didn't force anyone to go into his subs. Human progress is pushed by arrogant jerks.
You know there are literally people who do this... Right? That and seatbelts. There are actual communities or online groups dedicated to being anti seatbelt, anti air bag. I'm not joking
Look, there are people driving old cars which have neither of those things. And its a risk you accept. But you know the risk. This moron denied the risks, and convinced other people it was safe. There were 4 victims in that accident, he wasnt a victim.
Not just Boeing a bad choice, Rush surrounded himself almost entirely with Aviation and Aerospace engineers that love carbon fiber, but the environment those engineers are designing for, the inside of the vessel is the highest pressures, which means the carbon fiber is always in tension like the skin of a balloon, no chance of delamination of the carbon fiber layers as they are always pushed outward against each other. But the submarine has the opposite conditions from aviation/ aerospace; the vessel is the lowest pressure inside, and thus the skin is under constant compression, which is very bad for carbon fiber, which is not a monolithic material like titanium and steel, but is made of layers/ laminations that can come unstuck from each other very suddenly, though probably not on the first few trips but as a result of fatigue over time. Designs fail if not designed for the environment they will be subjected to, and the choice of materials appropriate to the environment to use is perhaps the most important decision designers can make.
Yeah, when he started yammering on about how safe subs are, all I thought was "tell that to the U-boat crews". The submarine fleet had one of the highest mortality rates of any job in the war, where 8 out of every 10 men who joined the Kreigsmarine to fight on a u-boat would end up dead. Hell, there are several post-war incidents involving submarines where something went wrong and the whole crew went down with the ship.
"There has been x dives with no accidents and it's the safest form of transport. Therefore we won't bother with safety, compliance or certification and the law of averages will ensure we are safe"
That guy was so FOS.😂.At least now CF hopefully will never again be used for a deep sea sub pressure vessel. The CF was gone from that debris that came up.vaporized. 🫣🫣🫣
@@MrKrewie To the contrary he apparently believed that each crackle sound that it made on every dive, was the weak fibers breaking so it was getting stronger. 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🫣🫣🫣🫣🫣🫣🫣
Lol yeah, that's the great irony. The fact that it had been so safe was due to the stringent safety standards, a safety record that he is then using to justify not upholding those standards.
@@steveo601 we all know the carbon fiber decided to just give up when Rush cheaped out and used a knock off logitech controller instead of the ps3 controller
"Submarines are statistically very safe" - Probably because of all those safety standards.... the ones he ignored.
A year later it is still mind boggling that they got as far as they did with fundamentally flawed decisions and logic. Carbon fiber as a material choice is the equivalent of a chocolate castle in a desert
My same exact though 😂
We've seen all the submarine movies . You don't go below the crush depth. The guage will label it red.
"Submarines are statistically very safe" - Said by a man who has no idea how many submariners have died in the past century.
"He's very intelligent"
"youre remembered for the rules you break"
oh boy was he ever
definitely wasnt wrong
@@82Catfish indeed
Did it occur to you that's exactly what he wanted?
there's a difference in breaking the rules of how stripes can flatter the female body and breaking the laws of physics and material science.
Man has the worst and most accurate quoteables in history
I love how he always brings up how statistically safe subs are but proudly ignores the rules that make them safe
And never mentioned that none go that deep
fr he's a businessman selling a product first and foremost wearing the skin of an engineer
Also fails to elaborate that commercial subs fall into two categories - shallow water for engineering or tourism, and deep water scientific, and they're worlds apart in terms of design, cost, and usage.
What he tried to do was bodge the first category design and build into the second category usage.
The bit that kinda baffles me a little is the passengers who never thought 'I wonder why this doesn't look anywhere near as substantial or over built as James Cameron's one?"
He conveniently leaves out the part where none of those subs were made of carbon fiber.
@duncanhamilton584 the entire premise of the company was to introduce deep sea tourism. To be profitable you have to take enough passengers. There are too many reasons to explain here why the traditional titanium sphere submersible cannot be built large enough to accommodate enough passengers.
"we partnered with.... Boeing for the design of our [submarine] hull." In light of recent events, this is an even more damning statement
Literally thought the same thing!
HELP I didn't even think abt that 😭
Aged well, eh ?!
and his glazing of elon, well two peas in a pod, hoping elon deigns to try out one of his own vehicles soon
@@starsixseven9259 that statement aged like, well, a Boeing.
"Safety is just pure waste" is one of the scariest phrases you could hear when planning to take a trip into the ocean.
Ocean trip? Hell I'd be worried if someone said that while cooking on a stove.
The full quote is generally reasonable. Yes, every action in life is a risk-reward analysis, and the only way to absolutely minimize risk is to never leave your bed. You take a risk taking a shower, you take a risk cooking, leaving the house, etc etc. All completely true, at some point safety is just pure waste. Where he failed was at the part of "breaking all the rules being just as safe." The goal should be more efficiently follow the idiot-proofing rules, not throw them out...
@@randomlynamed3353Handling scissors, also.
He’s such a typical billionaire lol
@@giin97 yeah, exactly my thought: how can a guy be that smart, and not even realize the faulitness in his own "as safe while breaking the rules" analogy...? driving a car, there is always a rest of risk, yes. but it is lowered BY FOLLOWING THE RULES!!!! how on earth do you want to make it "as safe while breaking" if FOLLOWING the rules IS THE THING that makes it less dangerous????????? PRINCETON FFS!!!!!!!
The OceanGate people failed for the same reason Enron did: they were smart enough to get around the rules but not wise enough to realize why the rules were there in the first place.
Just like Captain Smith ignored safety warnings on Titanic, so did Stockham Rush on the Titan
Rush knew the dangers involved but insisted on using his unproven design, I'm guessing because it was quite a bit lighter than steel- But as we found out also weaker than steel. Of course when lives are on the line you MUST go with a tried & true design. Period.
One doesn’t simply defy the laws of physics
Beautifully put
@@davinp Captain Smith did not ignore safety warnings. Learn some History.
Stockton died doing what he loved: cutting corners and ignoring the lessons learned by decades of engineers and explorers.
Very well said sir, I completely agree!
Mashed.
Too bad he brought others on his darwin award adventure
@@m.m.1933 they went willingly
@@m.m.1933 He was leaps and bounds more intelligent than you'll ever be.
"Regulations are written in blood."
Stockton was better suited to be a politician than an engineer. He totally believed his own BS.
his career took a deep dive
@@svr5423 He couldn’t handle the pressure.
He has suffered a crushing defeat.
We don't want anymore politics like this. I think he should be at home playing videogames.
Too bad the vessel design was kinda *Rushed*
there's something so eerie about watching a man talk on his own hubris knowing he's been just.. vaporized. like my brain can't make that make sense almost
Same honestly, there's something so strange about it. This man we are seeing in this video is dead, and my brain struggles to comprehend that.
@@imhonestlyjustsoconfused that’s the way it goes!
Just makes you almost wish he was somehow able to see how foolish he looks now, I would've been happier if he wasn't on the sub when it exploded so he could deal with the fallout from this disaster, and see how his narcissism and hubris killed people
It's not that he's dead. It's that we know how he died. @@imhonestlyjustsoconfused
These people don't care. If they did they wouldn't have done it in the first place. He'd have just blamed someone else and moved on. I just wish he was alone, those people he dragged with him were the real victims. @@oliverfrots9300
“Low budget submersible” is something you never want to hear when you’re about to get on a submersible.
Those ticket prices sure as heck weren't "low budget." Someone should have reinvested in his business. Could have had multi million dollar subs created by a total think tank of mental giant engineers which would have made his business safer and far more sustainable. And ultimately over time far more profitable.
The man indeed had those billion dollar clients, all the more to reinvest in his equipment.
I mean...a PS1 controller?
Low budget, submersible, Flyng vehicle, high speed vehicle.
HELL Motorcycles are low budged vehicles, and you know how dangetous they are.
Yep. Like budget condom but with the opposite effect - fewer people rather than more.
Yes Affordable, Low Budget, or Discount are words you never want in the same sentence with the word submarine.
Boeing disagrees
You'd think billionaires would be able to afford to go on actual certified submarines.
"At some point, safety is just pure waste." Should be written on Rush's tombstone.
He doesn’t need a tombstone. There’s nothing to bury.
@@molybdomancer195
Good enough joke, I guess, but lots of tombstones don't always oversee a buried corpse; including the cremated deceased
The fact that his holy grail of safety was the "hull monitoring system" when the failure mode would be so fast you'd never even get the message the hull was failing.
@@nicholasleclerc1583 Often, cremated remains are buried with a headstone.
Ironically Titanic is his tombstone.
It’s ironic that a sub named titan failed because of a lack of titanium.
💯
While diving to the titanic
ironic that it's no titan size either
"Sheer fucking hubris."
you could also say it’s because Stockton _Rushed_ it. 😎🤏
His name even sounds like a bioshock antagonist
He even wanted to have cities underwater at 2:49
Literally just Rapture
"Did you mean Rupture or Rapture?"
"Yes."
Tonstock
Funfact: Richard Stockton Rush the third (yeah, that's his full name) was an decendet of the Founding Fathers Richard Stockton and Benjamin Rush.
*descendant @@reptiloidmitglied2930
Calling himself the "Elon Musk of the ocean" sure aged wonderfully.
Subs are statistically the safest vehicles on earth WHEN YOU FOLLOW THE SAFETY REGULALATIONS 😂😂
I love he added the caveat of commercial Submarines which are few and far between. The Navies of the world have and still do bear the brunt of submarine fatalities.
They're statistically the safest because there is significantly less of them and experts control them.
Put as many subs as there are cars in the ocean and let regular men and women control them, and they'll be the most unsafe.
"Subs are statistically the safest vehicles on earth" ... but our sub is nothing like them - and breaks (not just the rules).
"So many rules and regulations" paired with "no sub fatalities in years" really starts to make sense in hindsight.
@@Blxz It truly amazes me when people see an activity with low rates of injury or death while also having a lot of regulations and rather than assume the regulations keep them safe, they assume the regulations must be unnecessary.
I love how Rush called the experts "old timers" as if he's a spring chicken.
But he's different tho! He's the special one lmao
yes the horror that is old white men
Just pure arrogance on his part. He was trying to disparage the actual experts in this field by suggesting they are too old to accept new advances in materials and mechanics. Turns out they were right.
@@misscleo378 Pure truth right there.
@@JamesDBlanc Yeah. He is different. He's in a million pieces at the bottom of the ocean being eaten by marine animals. Along with his 4 victims I might add.
"Statistically, the safest vehicles on the planet."
He made it his mission to disprove this statement...
😂😭😭😭
The safest vehicle on the planet is my sister's bike. She never rides it.
15 million people have gone on Subs? Is he talking about like tours and Museum submarines?😂😂
If that isn't just a made up statistic it is entirely due to those safety regs he so casually scoffed at.
@@kylemiller2920 Yeah i think its hilarious that if you say that theres a 0% of volcano deaths here so its fine if you jump into the volcano.
The irony of him being the person to break the statistic of submarines being the safest vehicles on the planet.
Man...
Hard to believe this guy had an engineering degree. The level of disregard for data and professional practices is stunning.
I'm just a chemical engineer but even I know that carbon fiber works great for tensile loads but is weak in terms of compression and shear stress a sub would experience underwater. It's great for gas bottles, maybe it's good for spacecraft but it's not supposed to go into a sumbarine. Also I don't get the problem with weight to buoancy ratio he speaks of. Why even care? Some styrofoam floaters cost nothing. You could even make a submarine using steel. It would be extremelely thick, heavy and big but it's possible.
@@alexmin4752 Styrofoam would deform too much.
Also, the bigger problem with carbon fibers is that it's not an homogeneous material and it's very hard to test its aging and imperfection accurately.
probably paid for it instead of earning it
The competency crisis will accelerate
A degree isn't proof of intelligence or competence, it's just proof that some place gave you a degree, which usually means just remembering the list of things they want you to remember long enough to regurgitate answers for a test. Or it could mean that your parents simply had enough money/influence to get it for you.
When you want to remove the fence, ask why it was placed there in the first place.
Most of the time, the answer will be to leave it alone.
The bull hasn't maimed people for years, why even have a fence
@@KingStr0ng and that's the problem education not gatekeeping is what we need to focus on.
@@adamsmiths3016 It's not gatekeeping to stop someone from risking the lives of multiple people. That's called justice.
I don't think removing the fence was the issue. The issue was they never really tested the submersible. They should have made it do like 100+ downs then ups, then cut the thing in half and examined it. Engineers at the company wanted to do that, but were told it would be too expensive. There's nothing wrong with innovating, they just weren't checking their work. If you look at like a spaceX rocket, they're doing crazy new things, and destructively test vehicles to find out what to fix next. Oceangate could have done something similar and created a truly innovative vehicle. I'm sure the final thing would have been quite a bit more reinforced than the Titan, but it would have been safer. Oh well.
The three strikes rule is crazy…I fly helicopters for a living, if ONE thing is out of the ordinary I don’t fly until that’s fixed.
..and that commands common sense. Hard to understand. Sounds to me it was not a rare occursion, that one or two things were out of the ordinary with the titan...and therefore they came up with the three strikes rule.
If you think about, that this might be the background, it becomes even more crazy.
Don't you have MEL?
Oh that’s y they killed him , like he said we so busy looking in space y not the ocean and 👀
My son is a flight line mechanic for one of the Air Force bases in town and if something's not right or even if they can't find a tool those planes don't fly
@@yaboyluhant7374this is why we don't...the pressure...its easier to explore space 😂😂😂
He wasn't obsessed with space nor the ocean, he was obsessed with being first.
i like how their first subs look perfectly respectable and then titan looks like a toliet paper tube with a tv in it
The second one was self built, no?
Always read your mileswmathis updates daily.
It looks to me they began to run out of money and had to cut corners and raise the stakes
yes lmao
You made me laugh so hard 🤣🤣
He wasn't building a coffin, he built a pressure-powered molecular disintegrator.
haha😂😂
and he god damn succeeded
DNA mixer?
Behold! The billionaire implosion-inator!
😢
" We got advisement from Boeing ..."
Hooooo-boy, that's some dark foreshadowing
What happened?
@@DoNotLookHerePlzBoeing is what happed 🫥
@@DoNotLookHerePlz Search "boeing planes falling apart"
@@DoNotLookHerePlz Look at Boeing's incompetence and track record.
@DoNotLookHerePlz Boeing is killing people who are blowing the whistle on their corruption and incompetence.
Low Budget, Boeing and Macklemore. This was a truly a recipe for disaster.
This guy stated how the rules for safety were too strict but then also leveraged how no accidents had occurred for years because of those same rules.
Uplifting to know submarine rules have reached a golden state where, if you follow them, you can be at ease that they'll be safe. This man reminded everyone why the rules were so strict.
Lol!
Good point.
Regulations are written in blood. There’s a good reason those rules were put in place and if you don’t want to find out why, you better follow them.
Yes, he maintained submarines were relatively safe vehicles yet abandoned the many regulations in his own sub that would include it in that safe group. Moron.
I love how cocky he was. Like "nobody has thought to cut costs before, I'm an unparalled genius for thinking of this!"
This was his second attempt, after being incredibly confident he could probably just hold his breath wayyyyyy longer than 'none genius' humans - and simply swim down to the Titanic.
It wasn't just that. He was trash talking all of the other sub builders about their materials choice while spewing BS. I don't understand how he had engineering partners and they decided to go with a material that needed to be in tension to work and that would fatigue.
@@nicolethomas1674 Money is a great motivator. As long as the paycheck is huge and they are not forced to participate in the ride you will always find people ready to built death traps.
It’s like to cut costs during your brain surgery is it worth it? You can buy cheaper cereal but some things can’t be skimped on
People with that much money live in a different universe where actions cannot have consequences that money cannot solve. Unfortunately, the ocean will not accept a bribe to delay crushing you into a human bread ball, and he probably genuinely hadn't thought of this until the Wii mote ran out of batteries.
He said this after around 80 people died in a Argentinian submarine a couple years ago. I served on submarines for around 8 years and I agree that they are safer than most people would think. But the kicker is when something goes any bit wrong on a sub, it goes very wrong.
I was thinking the same, and it was a military sub non the less!
44 dead, not 80
yeah the second I saw that (I had never seen that speech before) I understood just how deep his hubris went. Subs are used mainly by militaries, with trained people who follow strict rules. Not by the common man every day. Rhe fact he thought crash/casualty rates were comparable between the most common means of transportation versus a fucking submarine. is just ignorance. It's like people who think the A10 has a hogh Blue on Blue rate. Is it high? Yes, it is. Now compare it to planes that routinely called in to help soldiers with munitions within a hundred feet of soldiers. It's not comparable.
And you know, all those pesky regulations that Rush ignored might have been there for a reason, regulations are written in blood, the fact that they're safe is because of how strict the rules for them are.
As argentine i can tell you our submarine was imploded because of the disrepair and corruption all these sailors died sadly
"Don't miss the opportunity to be part of history" That part is quite foreshadowing to this OceanGate incident.
I hate that he never even got to learn his lesson. He went to the grave thinking he was smarter than everyone else, and he dragged the rest of the people in that sub down with him.
It’s more likely than not that he was aware that the hull was failing in the moments before he died. There was a hill failure alarm that detected damage. He had at least a few moments of terror and seeing the terror on the face of his innocent victims. It would have sounded crazy, like thousands of glass shards smashing. Loud and terrifying.
@@shambolicrhetoric6143most failures under pressure that extreme are catastrophic and occur in a fraction of a fraction of a second. They were almost certainly liquified before the alarm could even trigger.
Boeing has Astronauts stranded in Space now. Waiting.
@@philhiller-mn1gw Nope. The astronauts aren't really stranded. It's an intentional decision to stay in space and try to collect evidence of why they have a leak, so their next build can improve. But they don't need to fix anything to be able to return.
@@shambolicrhetoric6143 It's possible, but given that he apparently had heard cracking noises during dives before and completely ignored them, it's equally possible his last words were dismissing their concerns and insisting everything was going as planned.
"When the Sun extinguishes, there will still be hydrothermal vents."
Uh, no, there won't be, because there won't be oceans at that point. They'll have evaporated around five billion years before that.
Lol right? The earth will be vaporized, along with Mercury and Venus. I forget if Mars is inside the circumference of the sun's expansion before it peters out and becomes a white dwarf, but regardless, the earth is going bye-bye.
@@WobblesandBean
We do not know
Some models show the earth surving because as the sun enlarges it will lose mass allowing the earth to move further away
@@Michael-sb8jf even if Earth physically survives the Sun's red giant phase, it won't have water at that point. Liquid oceans on Earth will be pretty much gone in about a billion years, long before the Sun even leaves the main sequence. And in any case, Earth's geological activity will fade over time, which would turn off most hydrothermal vents too. Any way you slice it, there's no way going underwater would help humans survive the death of the Sun. Maybe there's some way we could escape, but that ain't it.
@@Michael-sb8jf the earth might "survive" as a stellar body - thats true, but it will be far from the blue planet we live on.
No worries. It takes maybe a thousand years to fully terraform Mars with the right technologies. 5,000 years to terraform Venus. If we only have a billion years left on Earth, by that time we can drain the oceans and transport the water, along with everything, to another star system, to a planet so similar that life will not only survive, but thrive there. We'll take the soil and the trees and the bees too. Everything and everyone.
"I want to be remembered for the rules I've broken." Goal achieved.
He's going to be remembered for the rules he forcefully created his dumbass is the reason why we have rules
*task failed succesfully*
Excellent
And the lives also.
_a finger curls on the monkey's paw_
How i sleep when a billionare dies: 😴😴😴😴
Right? They sleep perfectlywhen when there’s a lot of innocent lives lost and great suffering.....
"It looks like it's built together with a piece of string, but its not obviously. " that's literally what carbon filter composite is lol
Carbon fibre is exactly that a fibre it gets it's strength when combined with other composites ie epoxy resin
@@andyjasso3050 They used the 5 minute gorilla glue from Lowe’s
@@andyjasso3050 Not only that, but it's useless when it comes to compression stress. Carbon fiber is unbelievably durable, but for tensile strength only.
@@WobblesandBeanjust look at the new cars with carbon wheels, they always crack under heavy compression
Also, from my understanding, the deal with carbon fiber is that it's not as easy to find flaws or cracks in the haul unlike steel.
On steel hauls they can use X-ray sensors as well as other methods to find micro cracks withIN the steel itself, cracks that might not be visible on the surface but is present within the metal itself.
I also heard that basically the very first dive is pretty much the strongest the haul is ever going to be (with microfiber), but after repeated dives ANY micro cracks in the microfiber haul are _WAY_ more dangerous to the structure because of the characteristics of MF.
Micro cracks aren't wanted at all, but if they showed up in steel then at least the structure is still very strong. In micro fiber it's critical.
“When I started the business old timers told me I was nuts.”
There’s a reason they are old timers, sir. They followed the rules and *lived* long enough to *be* old.
LMAOOOOOO I love this comment. I stg!
Reminds me of a saying my uncle, who's a retired pilot, would say: You get old pilots and you get bold pilots, but you rarely get old bold pilots
@@SpoopySquid I've heard that saying. I can't remember who first said it but that's irrelevant. It's still very true!
@@SpoopySquid oh that's SO good
@@SpoopySquid Another good saying: "Be wary of an old man in a business where men die young". It doesn't 100% fit here, but I just really like that saying.
Jinxed themselves the moment they added "Gate" at the end lol
finally someone who picked up on it haha
Underrated comment 👏
when this first happened i didn’t realize it was the companies name and not the name of the incident
Part 2
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He also called the vessel Titan
So he saw Bioshock and thought, "I'll do that"
What aggravates me is that this egotistical ceo will never hear an "i told you so"
He will if there's an afterlife
I like to imagine he did when that sub started to crack.
I feel like turning into a homogenous paste is enough of an "I told you so", to be fair.
@@josh___somethingnot really: remember that half the reason religion exists is people really HATE the idea that people they don’t like won’t KNOW they messed up…that evil people can “get away with it”
@@bitharne I repeat, getting turned into fine paste doesn't feel like "getting away with this"
Bro really said “at some point safety is a pure waste” when dealing with 1000s lbs of pressure 😂
Doesn't mean that's not a true statement though. There is definitely a point of diminishing returns when it comes to safety measures. There is also a point where the "safety gains" are so minuscule relative to the cost increase that it becomes pure waste. This is true in just about any industry one can think of.
Bro didn't meet the point of safety bringing diminishing returns, he's at the point of no returns from the bottom of the ocean.
OSHA gets in the way of progress.
@@Withlovefrominterentwhat are you talking about. In what sector would this be true ? Safety rules always stem from previous faults. That’s why the rules were developed. Dude broke the first rule of engineering thinking he knew more than he actually did. Saying your an expert in aerospace is the most ridiculous things I’ve ever heard. I’m an aerospace engineer and I know little to nothing about aerospace.
@Withlovefrominterent better not be wrong about where that point is though....
the mental whiplash i got when i realized it actually was a year ago
The construct of time seems to be dissipating, as well as the “veil”. I deeply resonate with the saying truth is stranger than fiction
I know, I remember talking about it as if it was yesterday. How time flies
Totally with you. I was gobsmacked when I saw news that it was the 1 year anniversary. Where TF did the last year go?
Felt like 2 years to me
To me, it feels like time is accelerating even though I know it's supposed to be a constant
"this is so safe! why are there so many regulations?" is such a wild take to have
Like was he mentally ill? Suffering from psychosis?
The media trying to portray this guy as a genius and an inspiration when he was the one who caused his own death and dragged 4 other people with him. He should be placed in every health and safety advisory as a reminder.
Rush has contributed greatly to the diving community. Now others know what not to do. He gave it his all as well as four of his friends for the pursuit of knowledge and shortcut engineering that will come in handy for generations of engineers to come. If I ever build a submersible I will definitely take a look see at Rushes designs so I will be better informed on what mistakes to not make. A lot of people will be appreciative for his contribution to the field. Example: We have learned to not take over inflated egos down to that depth because it leads to all kinds of problems.
@@charlesmiller8107Rush’s “contribution” is the equivalent of putting square wheels on cars, against the advice of everyone else, and “discovering” that they indeed don’t work as well as round ones.
The media loves billionaires and ESPECIALLY pseudo-futurist tech bro billionaires who promise all the cool looking stuff we see in science fiction. Rarely do they actually do the due diligence of questioning or verifying the claims of these billionaires. They just uncritically glaze them parroting whatever nonsense they put out because it _sounds_ cool. Look at Elon Musk for heaven’s sake! A total snake oil fraud who fancies himself as an engineer but profits off of the designs and work of other actually qualified people. What happens when he personally has a lot of say on a project? Look no further than twitter or the cyber truck.
@@Zarastro54 but now we can with proof say that square wheels don't work
@@charlesmiller8107 The *real* contribution of his will be *how* he at all managed to build this thing legally thanks to a lot of loopholes. Several knowledgeable people voiced their concern and were worried *before* the disaster but to no avail. First and most foremost he operated a deep-sea submersible which had *not* been independently tested in the rigorous safety tests proper deep-sea submersibles are and that *alone* should have made his operation *illegal* .
From what I've read he bypassed all that by having the passengers sign a waiver that they "knew" they entered an "experimental design". Not sure it said it had not gone through the regular tests required for classification but even so I doubt Stockton Rush's customers actually read the entire waiver or gave much thought about what they actually signed (a legal pretext freeing Stockton Rush from any responsibility of their deaths).
Another thing: In order to bypass regulations he arbitrarily made his passengers "mission specialists" so they in essence became trained researches overnight. *What a joke* .
We live in a world where you have to do your homework. Be it buying a new car, house, booking a trip, investing in X, Y or Z... and especially so when you embark on a particularly dangerous deep sea dive.
Stockton Rush should *never* have gotten away with it. So his real contribution is all the questions and all analyzing which will reveal how this was allowed to happen at all in 2023.
Man played Bioshock and said "I want that."
Should have played Subnautica instead. He would have known then that you need to collect titanium in order to build a cyclops and not carbon fiber.
Ha. Guy reminded me of BioShock too.
His "dream" 😮
@@wolpertingera5829 this comment is even more hilarious when you realise the Cyclops is named after the real life Cyclops sub made by OceanGate 😂
Like they even acknowledge the trademark in the games credits lol.
(Commented this before it got the section about the fucking cyclops, goddamnit lol).
@@sassycatenthusiast What the.....? I had no idea! 🤣Thanks for telling me this, I actually didn't read the end credits after I finished the game.
Water type Pokemon seeing the strange sub: 🤨
If someone building a SUB?! says with full confidence "at some point safety is just a waste" you will never find me or anyone I love in that sub. That is a man who has not defeated his ego. This disaster was inevitable with an attitude like that. Especially with something so complicated.
I mean, it's a true statement, though. We do risky things every day, the biggest one being driving. It's one of the top killers, yet we do it. And even for free time activities, going to concerts is dangerous. Skydiving is dangerous. Hiking is dangerous. Going on a vacation is dangerous. There's a lot of things we do that have a little bit of elevated risk, something you can't account for, or something that would be exceedingly expensive to account for (e.g. we could make cars almost perfectly safe if we limit the speeds to 15mph everywhere! But that's not acceptable in most people's eyes, right?)
But obviously Rush miscalculated the risk of his submarine, ironically with the one part that really needed to be safe, that he knew needed to be safe.
@@MeMe-gm9di personally I despise cars and think it'd be great if the US would get on the train train already.. so arguing about "we do it anyway" is a lil silly. we "do it anyway" because the oil and gas industry have us by the short hairs. but it's true, we do an awful lot that the average person never considers to be unsafe, because it's standard.
Submersible... Submarines are autonomous vehicles, submersibles, like the Titan, are not. They require a platform to launch from and return to.
@@peachy_lili I mean, cars kill people in basically every country in the world. Though I do get your point, of course. I would love to limit cars, especially around humans, quite a lot! Limiting traffic to 15mph within city boundaries, if that was actually reliably enforced, would be a tradeoff I'd make.
But the argument still stands! Currently, there's no political will for that.
Totally agree
Close your eyes when Stockton Rush speaks. He sounds so much like that angry elf Ben Shapiro.
This actually makes me very sad in hindsight, he clearly began to realize his dream would not come to fruition in his lifetime so he rushed it, taking others down with him in sheer arrogance
hence the name
I think he was arrogant & cocky
He flied too close to the sun, and his wings were melted…
stockton rushin' it
deserved
I like how they consulted nothing but aerospace and flight engineers. Kinda the opposite direction.
FOR REAL😭😭
If the submarine works, he would be deemed genius for thinking non-linearly, defying the conventional. However, genius has limits, stupidity has none.
Wasn't it proven that they didn't work with NASA or Boeing anyway?
@@windws7137😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭 NPC
There is a Futurama scene where their spaceship is being pulled underwater and the professor says “dear lord that is 150 atm of pressure” and Fry asks “how many atm it can take” and the professor answers “its a spaceship so anywhere between 0 and 1”
"I wanted to become an astronaut" Thank God you didn't.
Well statistically speaking, it's a lower chance to die in space, than underwater
@@TheKisj Yes, because people like this guy never made it into the space exploration industry.
@@TheKisj you will likely die before because of a malfunction in the craft.
Funny enough, it's way easier to build a spacecraft than submarine. Spacecraft doesn't need to handle any pressure, only radiation really. Tricky part is getting it into space and keeping it there.
Ironically, the exact same Titan carbon fiber hull design could have handled outer space very well, not surprisingly since it was designed by aviation and aerospace engineers that had experience with carbon fiber spacecraft, which is never at risk of catastrophic delamination of the carbon fiber since the highest pressures are inside the craft and the hull is basically a balloon in tension. Titan failed because not all the materials you can make a spacecraft out of are the materials that are safe to make a submarine out of; when you put carbon fiber into compression instead of tension, it can suffer catastrophic delamination and collapse with almost no warning. If Rush had used Titan to take passengers into outer space with hydrogen balloons or some such, they might all still be healthy and happy.
“It’s very engineered & very safe…”
_…but if anybody asks, you’re not a passenger. You’re a _*_crew member.”_*
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the design is very human
A crewmate? ඞ
And here’s a waiver telling you that you will die and your family can’t sue us.
Which, btw, probably won’t help them in court.
@@firstNamelastName-ho6lvyes. It was always classified as an experimental sub. Experimental vessels cannot carry passengers.
Promotional video for the company : "safety, safe, safetied, safetiing, safted"
The dude who runs the company : "fuck safety"
22:30 That slipped "but" speaks volumes now!!!
@@geografiainfinitului good ear
@@geografiainfinitului Indeed, good ear
@@geografiainfinitului no it doesn't
His name was Stockton, he was in a rush
He built quickly and poorly, told experts to hush
Only the controller survived the imposive crush
Good one 😂😂
Reads like a Cuphead game over screen
And now all their family n friends, miss them very much....
ey Macklemore is here.
@@J_Dubya87 As their loved ones have all been turned to mush...
That was incredibly well put together. Unlike the sub
the fact that the safety checklist was managed in an excel sheet rather than in an automated sensor driven system is incredible
Right?! And what they showed on screen was obviously just an ad-hoc list of issues they had identified (including some guy's workbench being cluttered...), rather than any sort of systematic procedure. Excel is a terrible tool for either task, anyway.
IMO both manual and automatic checking should be done
@@Psycordealso needs a suite and glasses for 6+ intelligence stat
@@chi_tajust a high vis vest and steel toe boots.
No one's walking around with clipboards anymore. It's all done through hosted software that shares the checklist with the entire company, something like bluebeam
Rush is legitimately responsible for the negligent homicide of those passengers. Him being smug while saying “submarines are the safest vehicles on the planet” and then deciding that all of these safety measures are unnecessary is proof that he’s nowhere near as smart as he thought he was. Almost every story about the Titanic focuses on the hubris of man and the proclamation that it’s “unsinkable.” Not once did he appreciate the irony of his own ego.
They *were* the safest vehicles on the planet until he came along.
its pretty ironic to claim they were the safest when he himself disregards the very safety measures that made these subs the safest
Pretty sure he lost any intelligent credibility when he said "When The Sun extinguishes, there will still be Hydrothermal vents".
Correct.
Well said.
Boy they weren't kidding with that promo video. It really was a once in a lifetime experience for them.
Awful, but hilarious XD
l shouldn't chuckle, but i did
He took the whole outside the box thing too literally
I’ve always liked the aviation expression
“There are old pilots and bold pilots but there are no old bold pilots”
Guess that applies to submarine pilots as well.
And here I thought it was only about mushroom pickers..😅
@@isabelleg9118
Took me a couple of seconds to get it
Very true.
That statement fits divers perfectly
where's the bold old pilots?
"a mousetrap for billionaires" just brilliant...
Yeah. I wanted to hear more from that guy.
In the Era of space tourism, they'll have even more choices.
Imagine being such a sad pos in life to where you have an obsession of people dying just because they have more money than you
A fishtrap
"Your lights can go-"
Perfect ending. That's exactly how 'long' it took for five people to turn into pasta sauce. It's weird to think about. Literally faster than our brains can process.
So much violence, unfathomable to experience.
If it really happened without warning in an instant, i can think of much worse ways to die. For example uncountable numbers of refugees drowning in the mediterran sea wihle every captain who wants to save them from drowning gets sued. Stockton and the people with him, knew (more or less) what they were up, took the risk and lost - not time to cry, just move on and remember to not use a thin resin hull as only life insurance against very high pressures.
Not pasta sauce, the most appropriate quote is that they were converted from biology to chemistry in an instant.
@@comicssplatter8195 So really spicy pasta sauce
@@comicssplatter8195i mean, nuclear spaghetti is a thing 😂
@@sniper4690stop acting like invaders and they'll stop being treated like invaders. There are legals ways to immigrate...
I love how you guys sneaked in a Disco Elysium soundtrack
I didn't know Stockton's wife was a descendent of two Titanic passengers. Gave me chills learning that.
Going down with the ship was part of her family history, and Stockton just wanted to be part of it.
statistically at this point most of humanity is descended from titanic victims at this point
@@RoamingAdhocrat hey so you're actually insanely wrong about that
@@adonideae can you name one single person who is definitely not descended from a titanic victim? no? checkmate ;)
@@RoamingAdhocrat Well, you can't prove a negative. Therefore, burden of proof is on your side.
"statistically, submarines are the safest vehicles on the planet"
stockton rush: i can change that
him making a sub wasnt necessarily the problem
him being an idiot and making things super unsafe is what was the prob
because the stats have nothing to do with all the dumb rules and regulations on subs 🫠 (heavy sarcasm)
Submarines are the safest vehicle? I have an engineering degree, hold my wine cooler
@@davidturner1641 gee, d'ya think?
Calling that tin can a "submarine" is applying a very loose definition of the word
You may ignore the laws of man, you cannot ignore the laws of physics. No amount of arrogance will overcome that.
Unless you're Homer Simpson
It is clear that he wasn't Homer Simpson@@MavHunter20XX
Fact
The laws of science are too strong. Thats why people fighting biology in today’s world are not what they say they are
@@TheBeggies95LOL.
Just cuz you're smart don't mean you're not stupid.
Imagine getting stick drift in the submarine
Don't worry they had a spare controller. But sadly not a second hull.
@@nmlss-r9 " what! nobody brought spare batteries"
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All the jokes aside, Stockton did ask one interesting question: "Could a carbon fibre hull work for depth diving."
From an engineering and scientific perspective, this is an interesting question. It's just unfortunate that Rush and his team of cavalier cowboys, instead of a competent team of engineers and carbon fibre experts, took a swing at it.
From what I've read, the carbon fibre winding that was used for the Titan hull was significantly weakened because of the single direction of the winding - it would have been stronger in a diamond pattern but that would have significantly increased cost (Stockton clearly was pennypinching)
Hopefully some professionals take up this challenge and answer this question in the future
@@scroopynooperz9051 Not an expert afaik carbon fibre is really bad for this, no matter the shape it doesn't have the qualities that make metal good for subs.
It's already an amazing material for other uses, leave it for those and make subs with titanium which is already good for this.
I remember in an interview, James Cameron talked about diving in experimental subs he’d built. He emphasized that the crew was him and a qualified engineer who knew the risks. When you listen to Rush talk, he’s talking in the language of pure selfishness. He had zero concern for his passengers
hell, we can even give credit to Cameron for knowing the damage to his legacy and reputation if he's wrong about stuff like that. Rush had no such concerns, totally believed he was 100% right. that's just sad. never believe your own hype
@@peachy_liliSometimes I believe these "billionaires" are like those carnival hype men that forget what they are saying is a lie and start to believe their bs.
@@RandalfElVikingoI guess that happens if a person is too used to solving every problem with money and don't want to listen to people who aren't as "sucessfull" as him 🤷♂️
@@RandalfElVikingo I think Rush was far from a billionaire
@@RandalfElVikingocarnival psychics and tarot readers call it “shut eye”. 👁️
The irony of a carbon fiber vessel being named Titan, that should have been made using Titanium, is very rich indeed.
eh I know nothing about the deep sea and titanic and yet when I heard about Titans design and construction I thought nope I do not want to die in that death trap so never even considered trying to get a ride on it and now I am glad I followed my belief it was a death trap made to kill people because Stockton's dead and I am so much still alive
@@raven4k998 you make it sound as if you were going to at one point...do i have that right?
@raven4k998 ...you could have afford the hundreds of thousands of dollars for the tickets?
@@deanobeany if I wanted to go on it yes but the idea of a sub made from carbon fiber which breaks down plus the construction video were a moronic guy was touching the titanium with his bare hands after cleaning it told me yeah it's a death trap even if the carbon fibers good what was the point of cleaning it just to make it dirty again with oils from your hands which weaken the glues holding the carbon fiber to the titanium when it's going to need maximum strength to not implode I knew if some rich dipshit did not care about his own safety that much my money is better spent on other things then a piece of trash like titan💀💀
You people never get off your couch, lazy and scared, It was experimental. Type experimental into google see how many people changed the world and some died.
He built a very complicated and very expensive coffin.
when you're in something made of carbon fiber and you keep hearing popping noises... it isn't a mouse cracking its knuckles.
Audio damage control system be like: (if you hear strong cracks it is severely damaged and is about to sink, quite simple!)
Warning: maximum depth reached. Hull damage imminent.
its the grim reaper instead
That acoustic monitoring system was the most absurd safety feature they have. The moment even a single fibre broke, it means the strenght has been execeeded and shell is done for. On its max depth where it really matters, there is no way back from that single failing strand.
I bet the real story is they met a torpedo
I get a panic attack just imagining sitting in there under 4000m of ocean.
Literally my worst nightmare.
They (the people on the _Titan_ ) didn't know what happened. When 300 atmospheres of pressure crushes in, the air compresses and superheats to many thousands of degrees in a thousandth of a second. They were reduced to ash in less time than it takes you to blink, they never felt a single thing. Their nervous systems ceased to exist before they realized something was happening. They were just wet ash less than a second after that hull failed.
@@thedungeondelverCanadian coastguard heard them banging on the walls of the vessel under the water but couldn't find them. They were down there for a while in a broken submarine waiting for their death.
Everyone saying they didnt know what was happening is full of shit and plain wrong. They sent a distress call 20 minutes before the implosion, they knew they were about to die. They could hear the carbon fibers cracking all around them and must have been absolutely terrified.
@@legitbeans9078Oh well 😂
@@DrBees-ms2vt I mean... 😂
He broke the rules, and then broke most of the molecular bonds of his body.
He might still reassemble like Dr Manhattan, who'd be laughing then?
Oh those bonds weren’t “broke”. They were compressed 😂
LMAO! 🤣
@@DrewPWeenie1 I haven't run the numbers, but I presume that that type of rapid compression would have briefly brought the temperature of their remains up at least 800C where, yes, molecular bonds are going to break.
@@firstnamelastname9918 I haven’t thought of that. Haha. I was a little lit earlier (chemo). At 6000 psi… yeah I’d probably say you’re correct after thinking about it for a bit hahaha.
The whirling in rags theme over this video was such a rush of mixed emotions
Ghosts of the Titanic: " I'm sick of the same faces down here... Oh good! , new arrivals.
I just pictured the ghosts in historical outfits walking around the ship and Stockton is just there in chinos trying to explain carbon fibre to a scullery maid
@@_Dark222Angel_ 😂😂😂
@@_Dark222Angel_😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 I cannot
@@_Dark222Angel_ Sounds like a family guy cutaway gag.
"someone with a FRESH SOUL!"
"If we mess it up, there's not a lot of recovery". He got that part right.
The captions are hilarious.
"In 1912, the Titanic claimed 1500 lives (APPLAUSE)"
omg 😄
stuff like this is what makes me think AI gaining some form of concious of their own would be bad lmao
@@Robert_D_Mercer why? you dont want the ai to have a bit of humor?
1504 lives now lol
@@ChristopherPortorreal-ol2mj Oh yeah, touche!
Using the Bad Situation OST being used for the last segment is perfect
Engineers don’t say, “safety is waste”
That would be more of a capitalist ethos. Which is what he was.
@@bellsTheorem1138 yeah
@@bellsTheorem1138 Ah yes, cause Communism is famous for promoting safety. coughchernobylcough
I'm not sticking up for Stockton, nor think it was a good idea to dive more than once in the titan.. But a lot of the safety these days is from people who clearly lack common sense
@@majorramsey3k regulation is the alternative. You dont have to immediately run to communism.
Stockton seriously used the fact that safety regulations had kept submariners safe from serious injury for 35 years as his reason for not following them.
The man was completely deluded.
Survivorship Bias. It's strangly common. It was even practiced by the US military throughout WWII when re engineering aircraft based on strike patterns.
That was the biggest red flag for me. Another way to say what he said: "For the last 35 years safety regulations have kept millions of lives safe under water. None of those regulations have passed on my sub."
I foresee a new “find the flaw” question on the LSAT
Yet touts the safety of submarines, which do follow the rules, as an argument why HIS submarine was also safe.
Hey submarines are super safe, they transport millions of people with barely any deaths, due to their strict safety regulations. Anyway, I build my own, and ignored those safety regulations, so come hop on, submarines are safe, so so is mine!
More money than sense
"I’d like to be remembered as an innovator." Sorry Stockton, history will remember you as a reckless murderer.
He probably won’t be remembered
@@gusiii864He's on the Titanic Wiki page; this tales's got -legs- flippers.
@@gusiii864🎉🎉🎉
I always think “Oh yeah, that moron.”
@@gusiii864shit I had forgotten about it until I saw the thumbnail
Billionaire paté, anyone?
Oceangate, specifically the Titanic expeditions, is a great study on why safety is more than just a set of "rules." Safety is a culture, whether it's on a job site or at the bottom of the ocean, and a failure to uphold that can and will cost lives. Stockton Rush is a testament to what happens when arrogance meets ignorance.
When this accident happened my lecturer said exploring the ocean is more dangerous than space just because humans are familiar with the ocean so they often underestimate how dangerous it is.
My father would agree with that. He was in the US Coast Guard and was involved with a few rescues for recreational boaters.
That and extreme pressure is more of a foe to overcome than zero pressure.
"Worse than you thought" = exactly how I remembered the story
Title was major clickbait
Yeah, and I expected a little more info post-tragedy, but then the video just ended... I normally love presentations like this but this seemed like a shallow dive (lol).
@@prescottwhynot It ended as early as Titan's journey.
Right? Literally the second the video ended, I was like "tf? This is all the same regurgitated information" & "how was it worse?"... hate click bait...😒
This is the best comments section EVER.
I feel like Macklemore was clutching his pearls when this was all happening
he keeps going back to the fact that no one has been injured in a submarine in forever, but also says that he has to break all the rules to do what he wants to do. maybe, perhaps, there is a chance, that the lack of injuries were from the very tight regulations that You are choosing to ignore
It's also important to note, when you're over a thousand feet underwater there's no in-between from perfectly fine and crushed like a tin can. You don't get injured from a submarine, you either live or die instantly.
@@hjohnson966 When you're that rich, you start genuinely, literally thinking you are above consequences. You can pay off every legal system put in place to keep the lesser folk in line, so surely you can pay off the very laws of physics to prevent this submarine from crushing you, right?
I think the families of the crews for the Kursk and the San Juan would disagree with his statement that no one has been injured or killed on a sub in the last 35 years.
And this wasn't a submarine but a submersible tin can
Bingo
“At some point, safety is just pure waste.” - Stockton “fish food” Rush
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I feel bad but 😂😂😂
The fish thought well of Stockton. “Good chum”, was the verdict.
He’s absolutely right though
Saying that is like saying we don't care if you lose a limb keep going
The fact that he purposefully cites no sub injuries in the last 30 years when purposefully going outside that safety envelope should have been a huge red flag.
"This would qualify as a sub injury under the guidelines of sub safety...LUCKY WE CHOOSE TO OPERATE OUTSIDE THOSE GUIDELINES! ZING! Man, safety and physics is just like settin' up a company: you can choose where you operate, and, bam, the rules of other places don't apply!"
It was a huge red flag for most people with a brain and everybody in the sub community. All the necessary information was out there and The only thing that differentiates the common village idiot from multi-millionaires like Rush and billionaires like Dawood is the number on their bank and offshore accounts. Nobody was forced into that pringles can and everyone signed a waiver that mentioned death multiple times on the first page.
No regard for their own safety, no critical thinking, not even some basic survival instinct just a padded wallet and blind trust for a guy who openly bragged about cutting corners and breaking 'over the top' safety rules every chance he got. You didn't need the vast resources of a billionaire before the incident to gather all the necessary information online about OceanGate, Stockton Rush and CyclopsII/Titan to realize that Titan is a ticking suicide capsule. You just needed some common sense or a relatively good judge of character like 20 year old Sean Bloom and his friends had which resulted in his father giving up their seats which were then taken by Dawood and his wife who then gave her place up last minute and stayed on the mothership with their daugther because the son really wanted to go. It would be interesting to know how many people actually decided against a trip with OceanGate.
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Bingo. He starts out mocking the past choices of sub builders, then cites their safety. Sounded super dumb.
23:20 "...safest part of the expedition will be the submarine part.."🤥🙄Numerous people called him out on it, yet he was still able to garner support & funding to proceed.😳
Playstation controller - Imagine getting stick drift when piloting your sub.......
"there will be cities underwater"
me having played bioshock: that's not a good idea mate!
Best ye 'and over all yer ADAM mate
Best part is in bioshock 2 we find rapture has collapsed. Was not meant to last.
@@crimsondynamo615 dude...
rapute has collapsed before first bioshock
that's how atlas managed to make his attack on new years eve
Underwater city will always be cooler than a sky city.
@@crimsondynamo615 Rapture wasn't a real place. Its rise and collapse has literally no significance, because it was all written as a narrative. A narrative that has far more to do with commentary on the failings of Randian, hypercapitalist philosophy then on the practical viability of an underwater city.
"You are remembered for the rules you break"
- Douglas MacArthur, a man Eisenhower was forced to fire to avoid WW3
ironically enough it did make you remember him
It was Truman who fired Douglas MacArthur, not Eisenhower
Yeah, how you're going to be remembered it's the real point
Turns out he forgot to add how likely that method is to make you be remembered as a dumbass
@@lighterflud nukes were still brand new when macarthur wanted to use them on the yalu river. i wouldnt say that makes him a dumb ass, he seemed more like a firebrand to me. We are lucky Truman and Eisenhower realized the awesome power of nukes and had the foresight to set a precedent for not using them willy nilly.
Its like designing a car without airbags or seatbelts because you think the safety regulations are in your way
@@Digable. Safety standards are enforced with their life
So, in your world, motorcycles would be banned?
Hey, Stockton Rush may have been an arrogant jerk. But he didn't force anyone to go into his subs.
Human progress is pushed by arrogant jerks.
So he really is the elon musk of submarines then
You know there are literally people who do this... Right?
That and seatbelts.
There are actual communities or online groups dedicated to being anti seatbelt, anti air bag.
I'm not joking
Look, there are people driving old cars which have neither of those things.
And its a risk you accept.
But you know the risk.
This moron denied the risks, and convinced other people it was safe.
There were 4 victims in that accident, he wasnt a victim.
Oceangate delayed calling the coastguard to hide the embarassment
Teaming up with Boeing as a safety promotion has dated fantastically well.
aged like raw oysters
Except they pretended it, Boeing refused to have any of that shit.
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Not just Boeing a bad choice, Rush surrounded himself almost entirely with Aviation and Aerospace engineers that love carbon fiber, but the environment those engineers are designing for, the inside of the vessel is the highest pressures, which means the carbon fiber is always in tension like the skin of a balloon, no chance of delamination of the carbon fiber layers as they are always pushed outward against each other. But the submarine has the opposite conditions from aviation/ aerospace; the vessel is the lowest pressure inside, and thus the skin is under constant compression, which is very bad for carbon fiber, which is not a monolithic material like titanium and steel, but is made of layers/ laminations that can come unstuck from each other very suddenly, though probably not on the first few trips but as a result of fatigue over time. Designs fail if not designed for the environment they will be subjected to, and the choice of materials appropriate to the environment to use is perhaps the most important decision designers can make.
Lmaoooooooo
Submersibles are statistically the safest vehicle on the planet
Stockton Rush - hold my beer
Because of all the safeguards that are put in place, and how inaccessible it is to stupid people. Same reason aviation is safe
Yeah, when he started yammering on about how safe subs are, all I thought was "tell that to the U-boat crews". The submarine fleet had one of the highest mortality rates of any job in the war, where 8 out of every 10 men who joined the Kreigsmarine to fight on a u-boat would end up dead.
Hell, there are several post-war incidents involving submarines where something went wrong and the whole crew went down with the ship.
The perfect example of, "Lies, Damned Lies, and Statistics."
@@no-legjohnny3691 U-boat fatality rates are a poor statistic to pull from seeing as war deaths =/= maintenance and QA problems
Soviet/Russian Navy - hold my beer
There is so much corporate speech in this video, I grew a 3-piece suit over the viewing
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As long as it’s benign.
Really is. It is nauseating to hear. Modern day snake oil salesmen.
I now want to see Paul Allens business card.
Lawyers probably had the time of their life with this
"There has been x dives with no accidents and it's the safest form of transport. Therefore we won't bother with safety, compliance or certification and the law of averages will ensure we are safe"
Rush didn't think each of those dives strained his janky carbon fiber hull actually increasing the risk for each dive
That guy was so FOS.😂.At least now CF hopefully will never again be used for a deep sea sub pressure vessel. The CF was gone from that debris that came up.vaporized. 🫣🫣🫣
@@MrKrewie To the contrary he apparently believed that each crackle sound that it made on every dive, was the weak fibers breaking so it was getting stronger. 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🫣🫣🫣🫣🫣🫣🫣
Lol yeah, that's the great irony. The fact that it had been so safe was due to the stringent safety standards, a safety record that he is then using to justify not upholding those standards.
@@steveo601 we all know the carbon fiber decided to just give up when Rush cheaped out and used a knock off logitech controller instead of the ps3 controller