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@@davidclark744 Ha, very true. The main reason I do these videos is to hopefully help people avoid all the missteps I made along the way and just get to what they need because it's a waste for sure
They charge more for the Victorinox Compact because it needs to be assembled by hand (the same is true for all SAKs with plus scales) whereas the climber is assembled by a standard machine at the Victorinox factory. The nail file on the parcel hook also adds cost as its a non-standard part.
For some reason they are so against the idea they actually say so on their site. Seems like a not very smart position, they could easily charge 100 euros for a custom build.
It’s mainly their manufacturing process. They’ve invested untold millions into custom built proprietary machinery that allows them to automate almost all assembly (a human has to ad the pin insert into the scales on models that have it, which also explains why those models always seem more expensive than they should be). An a la carte SAK would have to be fully assembled by hand. The price would be ridiculous.
@@brawndothethirstmutilator9848 they do have their own shops now, that would be the perfect service to offer there, no doubt would be popular and profitable Anyway, don't see any reason why the automated process couldn't assemble custom builds, could even be automated end to end, from website to assembly to delivery to final user
@@brawndothethirstmutilator9848 I'm really surprised how many people don't get this, including todd. They're only able to sell saks this affordable because of the near fully automated manufacturing. Adding the pen and the pin is manual labor and drives up the cost. They produce in switzerland, that's the most expensive country in all of europe. Labor's expensive.
I did! I think we’re brothers from another mother. I almost used “convergence” in the title but wasn’t sure if that was too obscure a reference. Thanks for all your videos, I learn a lot from what you do.
For me, I find that the hook is one of the more useful tools in my Vitorinox. I can understand that a lot of poeple don't have a need for it, but I find it useful for pulling super-tight on lines, wires, and other items. As always, a great video!
You are an EDC genius. I got a ton of ideas of your 3 videos of this series. I liked your toothpick tool, but I prefer the toothpick with a fire starter [ferro rod]
Thanks to your video last year I went the other way. I stopped carrying my Cybertool L and prior to that the M. I also do need pliers regularly, and the Cyber Tool one is good to pull a brake cable but not so good for slightly tougher bolts. Also all the Cyber Tools have one big disadvantage: You can only use the screwdriver up to about 5NM of torque. I tested it. I didn't dare to put more torque as I felt the chassis would bend. I often need quite a bit of torque for my vintage bikes. I have tweaked my Cybertools by adding a small magnet so that they accept other 4mm precision bits. I haven't invented it, that workaround has been around for some time. The zrick is to use tiny ones up to 2mm maybe 3mm height. That way, the normal Cyber Tool bits still click in. That means however carrying those other additional 4mm bits separately. I have used these small cylindrical aluminium pill containers and attached those to my Cyber tools key ring. I added a few mini magnets to keep all those bits together. I also went on a successful quest making adapters to normal 1/4" bits. I even posted a video on my channel detailing my first "hack". My other attempts are far easier to replicate but I never filmed them so far. ... it is overkill. To open a really tight screw, you might quickly go beyond the capabilities of a Cyber Tool. I still keep and love my Cyber Tools, but I don't carry them anymore.
Yeah, definitely a low torque driver but I found it works really well around the house. The 711L mini ratchet with extension is definitely stronger though
I like keeping things separate and modular--it means I have to plan a bit more before I do something instead of just having everything in one tool, but as someone who bikes most places its also nice to be able to leave stuff behind.
Beautiful video, beautiful concepts. I find myself with a similar set of problems regarding my EDC. Your original video is what inspired my current micro EDC. The 3D printed toothpick mod is genius....put those bad boys on the market. Well done!👏🏽👍🏽
@@tanvach I actually wish victorinox or any other brands thinks about scale mini tools. Victorinox at least have a few but the rest is lacking though.... There is a lot of areas multitools or other tools can actually store things. Sometimes there is micro bits, 4mm or a pick or a nail or tweezers or even a sliding tool. There is soooo much that can be done here.
I looove how you went through the whole journey from one model to another to a mod. I personally really dislike using the little usually sub par tools on a multitool instead of using a dedicated one, but, a bunch of dedicated tools gets too bulky! So my compromise was just my most used in my pockets, and bigger backup tools in a pouch in a fanny pack. Aaand I don't care about weight, just bulk personally, so my gear is kinda heavy, I often carry probably near 450g of gear
Cybertool S or M paired with a Knipex Cobra 125(in a slip) has been the "base layer" of my edc for 3+ years now. Match those with pen, light, pry, and knife. Definitely makes for a pretty handy on body carry. Admittedly I'm usually on or around a construction site so the weight factor for me in a heavier pair of pants/jeans/denim isn't as much of a concern.
I like a good multitool as much of the next guy but I generally like the individual setup better. I often find it more useful to be able to break up/hand out a knife or driver than having it all in one
Yeah that was my point at the end. Separate tools are always going to be better and more flexible but there's a case for compromising for convenience. I have both and just switch as needed
I think it’s good to think in terms of context kits. A backpack kit, a car kit, kitchen kit, a hand tool kit, a work kit, etc. For pocket carry, it’s definitely nicer to just have 2-3 well chosen tools, than one of those pocket protectors full of gadgets IMHO.
Another great video, I’ve been tempted by the custom SAKs as well. I still think you should give the victorinox manager a shot, granted it’s tiny but i think it’s the most feature dense tool they produce. Probably why it’s out of production, but still available in some stores / resale market.
Fantastic! This is an incredible SAK. Love the decision on the awl. It is one of my fav SAK tools. Can drill a hole or clean up/expand a wide variety of holes in a pinch. I also love that cyber tool bit driver. Wish vic would sell an expansion bit kit. I found a 1/4" hex adapter on Etsy but it doesn't have the ball detent and slips out easily. This could be self delusion but I've come to appreciate the corkscrew for loosening knots.
100% on more bit options. Have you tried adding a magnet to the bit holder? I should do that because event eh stock bits come out a bit too easily. Hooo boy the good ol' "good for knots", eh?
@@todd.parker I haven't went for the tiny magnets because I'm paranoid to have them around with little kids in the house... Which is odd to say considering I have no issues with having pocket knives at home.
I got a custom Cyber Compact aswell from Wes, and it’s my favorite pocket knife I’ve ever carried. I kept the hook because I want the comfort of a little nailfile on that more than an awl though!
I am definitely interested in a holder for the Leatherman driver. Could you make 2 versions, one to replace the toothpick and one to replace the tweezers?
The reason for the higher price is that the hook with the file costs more to produce and the pin, pen, and mini screwdriver are placed in the knife by hand and not by machine which makes the assembling price higher.
Mostly the 4mm driver is standard for 4mm bits unlike the victorinox who use spécial ball detent bits. And I'm not sure about adding a magnet without breaking the functionnality.
I love the overlap between Dom, Ben etc In this comment section! Amazing to see! I’m finding that a few small, separate tools can be way more effective than a multi tool. Including a SAK. I realised I only use the SAK for tweezers, toothpick and scissors and it’s easy to, as you’ve shown before, have those items separately that work the same as or better than those on a SAK.
I always seem to go back to Spyderco for EDC. The dragonfly has a ton of utility for how light it is. Or even the Lightweight Manix 2 or Endura if I want a larger blade.
I want to love this. But there are several problems with that bit driver. Before I state them, I will state that I am fully aware that somehow, no multitool bit driver is great. They all have their different issues that sorta make no sense to have. But lets get into it: 1. This is a problem for numerous reasons. The main one is getting replacement bits will be costly, and difficult, because they are proprietary. 2. You are also stuck to whatever bit types the manufacturers make. Meaning if you want to use this with a screw like a Robertson, not going to happen. 3. This also means that you can't use third party bits even if they are 4mm. Sure you can do a mod, and stick magnets inside the bit driver so you can use 4mm bits, but chances are it wont work great. 4. If the point of a multitool is to be a convenience factor to help you do everyday tasks, and to help you out of a jam when they come up, then using one that is incredibly limited like this seems like kind of a big issue. Especially if you live outside of the USA. In canada, I encounter just as many robertson screws as I do philips. With the cybertool, i can't just carry along a robertson bit and expect it to work. Overall, again, i know that no bit solution is perfect. they all have their tradeoffs. But it just seems like specialty bit systems like this have more tradeoffs than they're worth. They sacrifice so much.
All solid points. If the default bits work for you, it's a pretty great little system but since you can't use other bits, I agree that's a big downside. The mini rachet and 1/4" bits are a more flexible system because you can dial in exactly what you carry
I repared the left double click of my mouse Logitech M720 Triathlon with my Cybertool L. Now it has a Kaihl Switch. I used the back mini screwdriver 000, the green, too... Bye
For me it's the Swisstool MX with the ratchet and bit set with extender bar all neatly packed into the leather sheath. I don't notice the weight on my hip! I also have the Leatherman Surge with all of the add ons packed into it's sheath, and the same applies to carrying on my hip. I alternate between the two. Each to their own I guess...😀
I love my Surge but can’t carry it daily. It’s my quick grab and go kit. The Swiss tool looks really nice, been tempted to try one out. I think I have a problem
Have you considered the additional slot in the back scale of the Victorinox 91mm ? If you are able to create a toothpick with the correctly orientated head and the shorter length it would be very popular with SAK people using the regular slot for other purposes like your screwdriver holder. I definitely would be interested in acquiring a couple of the screwdriver holders.
The custom sak world is such a fun hobby space to explore. I made my own custom "dragonox cybertool", a 4 layer size, with a 1 handed blade, bit driver, and can/bottle openers. It's a bit chunky, but a great carry
Custom or as close to custom multitool for a compact pocket EDC is great, but the multiple tool pack is also great for a car kit. I've always preferred a multitool for pocket edc, but a car kit edc should definitely carry the tools you have listed. When working on something long term, you need comfort and utility over convenience and portability. Keeping handy tools that are small form factor but capable of being comfortable still when used in your car is a great solution. I rarely travel away from home without my car and I think a multitool will cover those rare moments very well. For everything else there's your car edc. If a person doesn't have a car, then a backpack with a small pocket to keep that EDC kit should be your daily driver at that point. It never hurts to have a backpack, fanny pack, or sling with useful tools and things.
The added cost is from the pin, pen and micro screwdriver. It's not the materials & parts, it's the labour. They don't have a machine that can insert those, so a human has to.
I made a Yeoman but with a cybertool driver instead of the Philips, works pretty great. I would maybe prefer the pliers instead of scissors and use a minichamp for the cutting
The problem with integrated tools is there are so few that are available without a knife. That greatly restricts where you can carry it, and as a full size Victorinox blade is longer than the allowed length in Chicago,, I basically cannot carry a 91mm SAK of any kind. I disapprove. I really hope Roxon releases a non pliers version of the Flex. That would be killer, even if it weighs a bit more than a SAK.
Haha yes, a bar with tool slots. They can actually make various thickness and size bars. They can even make something like their knife scissors putting a single large handle tool while having a fully customizable bar. Have 3, 5, 6, 8, 10 layer tool Short and long variants of each. Various tools as a base for the two handle models....
I don't drink wine either, but the small flathead is quite important to me for my glasses and sunglasses. And i have used the corkscrew for other things, mainly "poking tasks" and getting stuck little rocks out of my shoesoles as well as opening knots. The tray seems a great idea, i just don't understand how the thin doublesided screwdriver bit stays on when pulling the tray out of the scale, and how you use that very thin bit without any holder or hanlde for it. I am goofing around with 3D printing a bit, and so the tray solution caught my eye, as it could be used for other things too. Am not using the toothpick really either, but sometimes a pin would be more usefull instead, and i don't have plus scales because they don't exist in the eighty-something models which my mainly used one is a part of.
There’s just enough friction to hold it in the tray. Good call on the pin, I use mine a lot. I was also thinking some sort of fishing hook and line but that’s a tiny space
@@todd.parker Thanks for answering! I have seen that some people have drawn custom scales and put on thingiverse to print, maybe a self edited, printed scale could be a way to incoroprate your fishing hook and line.
I didn’t realize that there were customizers for multi tools. That’s great! I am a special education teacher and blades are a no-no at school: my quick and dirty solution was to break the blade and grind it… 🤷♂️
You should put a hex hole in your microdriver holder so you can get a tiny bit more leverage with the bit. Alternatively, there's space under the bit holder and you could print a microdriver to 4mm hex adapter to store under your bits that allows the microdriver to fit in your cybertool. Also, you could consider dropping the big scissors in favor of an alox classic SD or miniChamp. I find that most things I want to cut can be handled with the smaller scissors and the alox classic is so small and light that it completely disappears until needed.
Thanks for the tips. I experimented with adding a hole to give you some leverage but the bit driver is close to round so there is only like .6mm of grip so it wasn't great. Your idea of finding space under the bit is interesting, I'll look into that.
This EDC thing is interesting...tool kits, knives, hatchets, firearms, bugout bags, water, battery backup, communications (my cellular i-watch backs up my iphone) and on and on. EDC for me is misplaced. Situational carry (SC) is my thinking. Different tools for different adventures, situational. However, a very small everyday core set is appealing and I like learning about new gadgets. So, I'll keep watching your wonderful videos, no matter. Sadly, every small multitool I've had, I eventually misplaced. I seem to have a penchant for misplacement. At this point, I have two tool kits, one in my SUV, one in the basement. I have a set of Robertson bits for my camper that I carry in my vehicle tool kit along with a host of "emergency" type tools. I even carry a Mountain House meal or two in my vehicle. EDC meals on your list?
I like your Situational Carry, it’s similar to the modular approach to EDC. A basic EDC that fits in a pocket with just the bare essentials of what you actually use daily. That’s a module of a bigger EDC that carries items you use every now and then that are useful but not geewiz tacticool items to impress someone in a UA-cam video or duplications of other items. You can have as many modules as you need all the way up to a 72-hour SHTF bugout bag or larger, your needs will dictate this.
I carry the compact, I love everything but the corkscrew and package hook, they are worthless except the file surface on the hook. If they could find a way to replace the corkscrew with a bit driver(I could live with the T handle style) swap the hook for the awl but add the file feature I would call it perfect. I would be willing to carry extra bits in a separate holder and I like your toothpick replacement with the micro driver idea. I think you could still use the modified toothpick for weird situations as well, I definitely don’t pick my teeth with it. I think I mostly use it to set the digital clock in my old truck. Great out of the box thinking by you and your followers.
Cyber Compact is the best custom Victorinox in my opinion. I finally got mine today and I love it. My suggestion would be to replace the toothpick with a FireAnt Firefly fire stick. Also recommend adding a FireAnt wax tinder to the corkscrew. You're all set for most things that may come your way.
You can use the hook tool. insert the leatheman eyeglass bit there and let the hook squeeze it in place so you can use it like a regular screwdriver. it should work theoretically.
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Nice custom multitool 👍🏻 I vote for it 😊 My philosophy is: the tool(s) I can carry effortlessly, and that’s it. At work, I can only bring a Victorinox Manager (because I wear suits and also the little Victorinox is socially ok). In the woods or at home, I can carry a bigger multitool, a big folding knife and sometimes even a fixed blade. In town, a middle size Victorinox and/or a little folding knife. So, the tool(s) available depends on where I am, how I’m dressed and the moment of the day/week. Fortunately, all in all, the tool(s) I have at hand are almost always aligned with the needs of the moment 😊
2:00 Victoriniox already stated why some models (the Compact being one of them) are so much expensive then others, when they seams not to have more stuff on them. The reason is simple: they require hand labor. Most of the models are almost entirely produced and assembled my machines, with very minor human interaction required. The compact, on other hand, is almost ALL of it hand assembled. Being in Switzerland (not china) where manual labor is very well paid, I only wonder how they can make them so affordable!!!
I have a custom cyber tool lite with a saw and file added as well as a N690co blade from a Spyderco roadie. I have this for smaller tasks and then a custom leatherman ST300M for heavier work
Man, I came *this* close to adding a Spyderco blade to my custom SAK. Still debating if I should do that with one of my other Cybertools because getting the blade out quickly isn't a strong suit
@@todd.parker it’s nice. The roadie blade is a sheepsfoot shape so it gives me different blade options. And unlike a dragonfly or ladybug blade it doesn’t have the big Spidey hole so it doesn’t stick way out when closed. It actually looks like it’s supposed to be there
Well thought out! You've got close to our dream of the perfect tool set! But every time I think about that I'm afraid that the fun of that journey will be over😅
As a knife nerd, a knife and a multitool is all I need. So it would be nice if victorinox made a knifeless version of the cyber tool. I'd especially love a version with a removable scalpel instead of the standard blade.
I find the awl that comes on the Alox models to be more useful than the standard version… but to put it in a custom SAK I think it’d have to take the place of the corkscrew and it’d get all wonky 🤷🏻♂️
I’d be interested in your Phillips / Flat head eye glass driver and tray. I’ve just ordered a custom build based on the Compact with Cybertool bit elements, definitely not cheap. But your tray would work perfectly with it (but in blue….😂)
Amazing! I’ve been thinking about this exact SAK but couldn’t justify ordering a custom. Thanks for showing what could be done. Now a days I just carry a SAK nail clip since I clip my nails way more often than any other tools (except for the knife) 😅
Thanks for the advice! The thought also came to my mind that any extra pocket would somehow defeat the purpose of that super thin lightweight pockerknife. It fits into my wallet so that is how I am carrying it. I also have a Swisschamp with a leather pocket but that one is just too heavy for edc.
I'd be very interested to have one of your modified Cybertools! like you, I have no interest in the corkscrew, the Phillips bit is much more useful to me.
Yeah! You could contact Felix Immler as he is not only a Victorinox guru that loves such ideas but he also is quite close to their management. Or maybe ask the people from fire ant for help with setting up mass manufacturing etc. This idea is just too good 😊
I encountered the Cyber M 15 years ago and never looked back, I've been carrying one every day ever since. Of course, the scissors alone are worth the M and I use the pliers all the time, as pliers, but as you say , they are glorified tweezers, which I would call near perfect tweezers and I use them as such as often. About the 4mm hex driver, you can use standard 4mm bits and I modified the 3 bit holders and the driver with 4 tiny magnets to hold them in, so I can add very specific bits as required (U-shaped, triwing, etc...) great idea with the 3d printed holder for the letterman tool, that can go in instead of the tweezers, which are covered by the pliers. Or you could give the 3d printed part a pointy end to double as a toothpick.. about the selection, the Cyber Tool was the last real serious SAK innovation (or did I miss something, maybe the winemaster...) and is pushing 20 years now (to show you how old it is, they advertised the 4mm bit holder as a driver for those mini PC housing screws to hold down RS232 connectors, which I haven't seen since), so I wouldn't hold my breath for any great new tool layout or, god forbid, new tools on the SAK lineup.
I have encountered RS232 interfaces still to this day. I work with systems that have a proprietary serial connector on their service port on one side, but the other side is still a RS232. And so we eother need a laptop that still has a 232 port or a USB converter. (which sometimes are a real pita...) They never went completely away apart from commercial home users. The other thing is all the screw in connectors at computers had the same screws holding them in. DVI was a thing for quite long for example. (and i am very thankfull that the mass of manufacturers went away from them and towards display port, HDMI and Mini-DP for graphics. I hated the little DVI plug screws) As for inovations by Vic for the pocket knives: the wheel hasn't been improoved much for quite some time too. ;-) I think if there were a viable enough idea for a tool, they would try it. (Still though i think they are waiting too long to put the package opener instead of the can opener in a "normal" pocket knife instead of the 3 fancy scaled expensive limited ones) At least they haven't seemingly lowered the quality standards the same way as a number of customers complain with LM recently.
Wow a custom Bantam X, great! A lot of SAK aficionados would love to see Vic release this as a production model but we're not holding our breath. I was never interested enough in the Compact to get one either, I often carry the Climber and use the small blade more than the larger one, plus I find the flat driver on the can opener can adequately deal with PH2 screws, which the combotool on the Compact can't so easily. Living in the UK most pliers based multitools are out of the question for EDC for me, as we can't carry locking or fixed blades unless for work or an activity like fishing, camping etc. There is the Leatherman Bond which is nice and I put a pocket clip on mine, but it isn't a ''one and done'' multitool as it lacks scissors which I use a lot, furthermore it's a bit unwieldy for everyday small tasks like opening packages, cutting an apple, or opening a bottle of cold beer. I too have been carrying separate tools like bit drivers or ratchets, Knipex Cobra XS or other pliers, but still I have to revert to some kind of SAK for the scissors. But other days I just put my Swisschamp in the watch pocket of my jeans, that is my only ''one and done'' multitool. Recently I've been eyeing up the Cybertool M as it would have the toolset I need for urban EDC - blades, openers/prybars, pliers, scissors, and a bit driver which is better than even the good drivers on the Swisschamp. Also I don't find myself needing a file/hacksaw or woodsaw on a regular basis, and certainly not the fishscaler. Like you I was a bit surprised that there isn't a Cybertool with scissors but no pliers, the Cybertool S has neither, and the M has both.
Yeah the Cybertool is a Goldilocks situation- too big or not enough tools but I love my modded version. You can get the cybercard scissors and carry those - check out my previous video on individual tools I carry for ideas. Thanks!
Cyber Compact! Wes made a Cyber Companion for me. Awesome sauce. Like you said, I can (and sometimes do) carry a better set of tools: Topeak ratchet with Steinwhale bits/bit extender, Westcott sewing scissors, LeverGear Edge XT for prying and package opening, Diamond file with a Civivi Sendy for my knife. Together they weigh more and take up more space, but each tool is better than the corresponding Victorinox tool.
You could modify the micro driver holder with a hole all the way through so you can pull the driver through it and put the holder back in the slot to use the driver. It may also be possible to make it so the holder pitches the driver when you put it back in the slot.
Great multitool, and even better once modified... The only thing that i dont like, is that the drivers are no locking. Sometimes i need to do some extra torque, and the drivers close over my fingers.
The compact is as expensive as it is because 1. the hook has a file on the back of it which is expensive to make, and 2. the compact is hand-assembled as opposed to machine assembled.
Interesting video. For $160 I want a Benchmade 😂. Sort of where I landed with the leatherman curl. I had thought a gerber armbar slim drive was the ticket for no pliers because I need one hand opening, and a screwdriver, but I need pliers. Absent all the bits you need, it is an option, maybe still an option if you carry extra bits and a victorinox signature or jetsetter with a signature pen scale.
Compact is hand assembled - the knives that are cheaper for what you get (lower $/tool price) are assembled 100% by machine. The Compact also has the nail file on the parcel hook at the pres of the company says that is rather expensive and it only shows up there and on the Traveller. If your Victorinox came with a straight pin, it was hand assembled. If it doesn't have a pin, it was made by machine.
also waiting on my Yeoman Mechanic from Wes but I also tried it myself today and put together a Waterman/Deluxe Angler - I took an Angler and added the scissors and parcel hook from the Fisherman so I can have scaler, scissors, pliers, blades, cap lifter/can opener - if I had a combo tool i would ditch a layer and just have main blade and combo tool but I don't
I'll probably do both. My 3D printer was recalled so once I get the models worked out, I'll post those and will hopefully sell them on Etsy for folks that don't have a printer
I would be interested in the micro driver tray for the toothpick slot. Also, can you put up the contact info for the maker of your custom cybertool for us non-instagram users please.
Yeah, it's kind of a secret community and some models have multiple year waiting lists and do super expensive builds. Both the guys I used are much more low key and work fast
For my usage: The problem is size M itself: once you have so many tools the handle is too thick.. therefore I really prefer to carry a miniSD + ratchet, for what I do is enough.
Thanks! Re: flashlight, there is a massive difference between the A1 and your phone so that’s why it’s earned it’s spot in my pocket but if you can get by without much throw or output, I agree your phone is usually good enough
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Your video proves that Victorinox really know the market and will never make the exact product that people want. So many purchases…
Ha, I know. I just wish I started with my missed Cybertool and skipped all the rest
or they do know that we will purchase 12 versions to find the right one, and thus they make 12 sales on each customer
@@davidclark744 Ha, very true. The main reason I do these videos is to hopefully help people avoid all the missteps I made along the way and just get to what they need because it's a waste for sure
That's why they don't put a nail file on the Climber, instead of the small blade, I'm quite sure. That would be dang near a perfect knife.
The companion have a nail file@@ironman2326
They charge more for the Victorinox Compact because it needs to be assembled by hand (the same is true for all SAKs with plus scales) whereas the climber is assembled by a standard machine at the Victorinox factory. The nail file on the parcel hook also adds cost as its a non-standard part.
i was trying to find this comment before doing it myself.
Thank you. Ever since Jon Gadget’s video, I’ve been bombarded with this info.
@@todd.parker Thanks for responding!
@@todd.parker The file on the back of the parcel hook is specific to the compact as well.
I wish victorinox would just let you choose your loadout like building a subway sandwich
For some reason they are so against the idea they actually say so on their site. Seems like a not very smart position, they could easily charge 100 euros for a custom build.
It’s mainly their manufacturing process. They’ve invested untold millions into custom built proprietary machinery that allows them to automate almost all assembly (a human has to ad the pin insert into the scales on models that have it, which also explains why those models always seem more expensive than they should be). An a la carte SAK would have to be fully assembled by hand. The price would be ridiculous.
@@brawndothethirstmutilator9848 they do have their own shops now, that would be the perfect service to offer there, no doubt would be popular and profitable
Anyway, don't see any reason why the automated process couldn't assemble custom builds, could even be automated end to end, from website to assembly to delivery to final user
@@brawndothethirstmutilator9848 I'm really surprised how many people don't get this, including todd. They're only able to sell saks this affordable because of the near fully automated manufacturing. Adding the pen and the pin is manual labor and drives up the cost.
They produce in switzerland, that's the most expensive country in all of europe. Labor's expensive.
We definitely need more toothpick replacement options! Great idea. Please sell them.
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I’d totally be interested in the toothpick “tray” that holds the micro drivers.
Absolutely. This is a tool I would use. Put me down for three!
I really like the toothpick though. I use mine frequently actually. Maybe plus scales with a 4th slot for more options(??)
Did you see the video by Ben on "Convergence vs. Divergent thinking?" Super good.
I did! I think we’re brothers from another mother. I almost used “convergence” in the title but wasn’t sure if that was too obscure a reference. Thanks for all your videos, I learn a lot from what you do.
@@todd.parker Me 3, Thanks guys!
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Ben Vallack?
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For me, I find that the hook is one of the more useful tools in my Vitorinox. I can understand that a lot of poeple don't have a need for it, but I find it useful for pulling super-tight on lines, wires, and other items.
As always, a great video!
It's great for tightening ice skates!
I really like both the individualized kit and the custom SAK. But what I really love is the toothpick/mini screwdriver replacement!!
PLEASE SELL THE LEATHERMAN TOOTHPICK DRIVER! LOL😂
Yes. But please send worldwide
You are an EDC genius. I got a ton of ideas of your 3 videos of this series. I liked your toothpick tool, but I prefer the toothpick with a fire starter [ferro rod]
I didn't even realize I needed a custom Swiss Army knife in my life, but now I do. Thanks Todd(?)!
Heh, stop watching my videos now or you'll end up buying a lot more tools. Good to hear from you, hope you're well!
Thanks to your video last year I went the other way. I stopped carrying my Cybertool L and prior to that the M.
I also do need pliers regularly, and the Cyber Tool one is good to pull a brake cable but not so good for slightly tougher bolts.
Also all the Cyber Tools have one big disadvantage: You can only use the screwdriver up to about 5NM of torque. I tested it. I didn't dare to put more torque as I felt the chassis would bend.
I often need quite a bit of torque for my vintage bikes.
I have tweaked my Cybertools by adding a small magnet so that they accept other 4mm precision bits. I haven't invented it, that workaround has been around for some time. The zrick is to use tiny ones up to 2mm maybe 3mm height. That way, the normal Cyber Tool bits still click in.
That means however carrying those other additional 4mm bits separately. I have used these small cylindrical aluminium pill containers and attached those to my Cyber tools key ring. I added a few mini magnets to keep all those bits together.
I also went on a successful quest making adapters to normal 1/4" bits. I even posted a video on my channel detailing my first "hack". My other attempts are far easier to replicate but I never filmed them so far.
... it is overkill.
To open a really tight screw, you might quickly go beyond the capabilities of a Cyber Tool.
I still keep and love my Cyber Tools, but I don't carry them anymore.
Yeah, definitely a low torque driver but I found it works really well around the house. The 711L mini ratchet with extension is definitely stronger though
The Cybertool has been my EDC for over 20 years now, I love it and use it every day
have the first one since 2000, sitll alive, lost some bits tho but still got the 2 most important ones for me.
I like keeping things separate and modular--it means I have to plan a bit more before I do something instead of just having everything in one tool, but as someone who bikes most places its also nice to be able to leave stuff behind.
Beautiful video, beautiful concepts. I find myself with a similar set of problems regarding my EDC. Your original video is what inspired my current micro EDC. The 3D printed toothpick mod is genius....put those bad boys on the market. Well done!👏🏽👍🏽
Thanks so much!
@@todd.parker Also love the toothpick idea. If you have a design for 58mm and 65mm I'll be down to buy a few!
@@tanvach I actually wish victorinox or any other brands thinks about scale mini tools.
Victorinox at least have a few but the rest is lacking though....
There is a lot of areas multitools or other tools can actually store things.
Sometimes there is micro bits, 4mm or a pick or a nail or tweezers or even a sliding tool.
There is soooo much that can be done here.
Wow, amazing video my friend. Love the unique touch you put on your kits. 🙌🏻
Glad you enjoyed it!
I feel like I need to thank you and this video. I ended up getting a custom cyber compact and it turns out it was my dream pocket edc. .
Awesome! I really love my custom Cybertool.
Great looking custom sak. I really like your 3d printed replacement piece.
I looove how you went through the whole journey from one model to another to a mod. I personally really dislike using the little usually sub par tools on a multitool instead of using a dedicated one, but, a bunch of dedicated tools gets too bulky! So my compromise was just my most used in my pockets, and bigger backup tools in a pouch in a fanny pack. Aaand I don't care about weight, just bulk personally, so my gear is kinda heavy, I often carry probably near 450g of gear
Cybertool S or M paired with a Knipex Cobra 125(in a slip) has been the "base layer" of my edc for 3+ years now.
Match those with pen, light, pry, and knife. Definitely makes for a pretty handy on body carry.
Admittedly I'm usually on or around a construction site so the weight factor for me in a heavier pair of pants/jeans/denim isn't as much of a concern.
I like a good multitool as much of the next guy but I generally like the individual setup better. I often find it more useful to be able to break up/hand out a knife or driver than having it all in one
Yeah that was my point at the end. Separate tools are always going to be better and more flexible but there's a case for compromising for convenience. I have both and just switch as needed
I think it’s good to think in terms of context kits. A backpack kit, a car kit, kitchen kit, a hand tool kit, a work kit, etc.
For pocket carry, it’s definitely nicer to just have 2-3 well chosen tools, than one of those pocket protectors full of gadgets IMHO.
Another great video, I’ve been tempted by the custom SAKs as well. I still think you should give the victorinox manager a shot, granted it’s tiny but i think it’s the most feature dense tool they produce. Probably why it’s out of production, but still available in some stores / resale market.
Yeah that’s been on my list for a while, might have to track one down…
Fantastic! This is an incredible SAK. Love the decision on the awl. It is one of my fav SAK tools. Can drill a hole or clean up/expand a wide variety of holes in a pinch. I also love that cyber tool bit driver. Wish vic would sell an expansion bit kit. I found a 1/4" hex adapter on Etsy but it doesn't have the ball detent and slips out easily.
This could be self delusion but I've come to appreciate the corkscrew for loosening knots.
100% on more bit options. Have you tried adding a magnet to the bit holder? I should do that because event eh stock bits come out a bit too easily. Hooo boy the good ol' "good for knots", eh?
@@todd.parker I haven't went for the tiny magnets because I'm paranoid to have them around with little kids in the house... Which is odd to say considering I have no issues with having pocket knives at home.
Yeah some commented on how dangerous they are for small children. It’s real.
I don't carry tools everyday. Maybe I should think about a small kit? Beginner / budget friendliest option?
I’ll be your EDC concierge
@@todd.parker yes! 😎👍
I got a custom Cyber Compact aswell from Wes, and it’s my favorite pocket knife I’ve ever carried.
I kept the hook because I want the comfort of a little nailfile on that more than an awl though!
He does such great work
I'm really curious - why do you want the scissors so badly? What do you do with (crappy small) scissors that can not be done with a knife?
I am definitely interested in a holder for the Leatherman driver. Could you make 2 versions, one to replace the toothpick and one to replace the tweezers?
The reason for the higher price is that the hook with the file costs more to produce and the pin, pen, and mini screwdriver are placed in the knife by hand and not by machine which makes the assembling price higher.
I think you would like the Roxon KS2E as well. Driver, really good scissors, knife and some other tools.
This is exactly what I came to say. K2SE seems to do everything better.
Mostly the 4mm driver is standard for 4mm bits unlike the victorinox who use spécial ball detent bits. And I'm not sure about adding a magnet without breaking the functionnality.
@@afoolishman12 the only downside is you have to keep the bits seperate.
@@woyen88 that’s a fair complaint, but you can also carry any bits you want.
The hook and keychain bit can be used to use T-shank sawblades.
I love the overlap between Dom, Ben etc
In this comment section! Amazing to see! I’m finding that a few small, separate tools can be way more effective than a multi tool. Including a SAK. I realised I only use the SAK for tweezers, toothpick and scissors and it’s easy to, as you’ve shown before, have those items separately that work the same as or better than those on a SAK.
I always seem to go back to Spyderco for EDC. The dragonfly has a ton of utility for how light it is. Or even the Lightweight Manix 2 or Endura if I want a larger blade.
That mini driver sleeve is fantastic!
Right?!
I want to love this. But there are several problems with that bit driver. Before I state them, I will state that I am fully aware that somehow, no multitool bit driver is great. They all have their different issues that sorta make no sense to have. But lets get into it:
1. This is a problem for numerous reasons. The main one is getting replacement bits will be costly, and difficult, because they are proprietary.
2. You are also stuck to whatever bit types the manufacturers make. Meaning if you want to use this with a screw like a Robertson, not going to happen.
3. This also means that you can't use third party bits even if they are 4mm. Sure you can do a mod, and stick magnets inside the bit driver so you can use 4mm bits, but chances are it wont work great.
4. If the point of a multitool is to be a convenience factor to help you do everyday tasks, and to help you out of a jam when they come up, then using one that is incredibly limited like this seems like kind of a big issue. Especially if you live outside of the USA. In canada, I encounter just as many robertson screws as I do philips. With the cybertool, i can't just carry along a robertson bit and expect it to work.
Overall, again, i know that no bit solution is perfect. they all have their tradeoffs. But it just seems like specialty bit systems like this have more tradeoffs than they're worth. They sacrifice so much.
All solid points. If the default bits work for you, it's a pretty great little system but since you can't use other bits, I agree that's a big downside. The mini rachet and 1/4" bits are a more flexible system because you can dial in exactly what you carry
I repared the left double click of my mouse Logitech M720 Triathlon with my Cybertool L. Now it has a Kaihl Switch. I used the back mini screwdriver 000, the green, too... Bye
That was a well articulated and thought out post. Thank you.
Will you try roxon flex companion modular?
I have a custom made Cybertool L with a metal file but no saw and no knives (the latter due to ridiculous knife laws), best pocket tool I've ever had.
Cool, I was wondering is a bladeless version would be worth doing.
@@todd.parker Absolutely, if laws or other restrictions apply.
To be honest knifeless should be more available than what we have nowadays...
And yes knife laws.... 😞
For me it's the Swisstool MX with the ratchet and bit set with extender bar all neatly packed into the leather sheath. I don't notice the weight on my hip! I also have the Leatherman Surge with all of the add ons packed into it's sheath, and the same applies to carrying on my hip. I alternate between the two. Each to their own I guess...😀
I love my Surge but can’t carry it daily. It’s my quick grab and go kit. The Swiss tool looks really nice, been tempted to try one out. I think I have a problem
@@todd.parker Yes you probably do, as do I! It's common amongst us multi tool blokes...😂
Have you considered the additional slot in the back scale
of the Victorinox 91mm ? If you are able to create a toothpick
with the correctly orientated head and the shorter length it
would be very popular with SAK people using the regular slot
for other purposes like your screwdriver holder. I definitely would
be interested in acquiring a couple of the screwdriver holders.
That’s a good idea. I haven’t opened up my slot yet on my cybertool but should give it a go
The custom sak world is such a fun hobby space to explore. I made my own custom "dragonox cybertool", a 4 layer size, with a 1 handed blade, bit driver, and can/bottle openers. It's a bit chunky, but a great carry
Cool, been trying to build up the courage to try my hand it it
Custom or as close to custom multitool for a compact pocket EDC is great, but the multiple tool pack is also great for a car kit. I've always preferred a multitool for pocket edc, but a car kit edc should definitely carry the tools you have listed. When working on something long term, you need comfort and utility over convenience and portability. Keeping handy tools that are small form factor but capable of being comfortable still when used in your car is a great solution. I rarely travel away from home without my car and I think a multitool will cover those rare moments very well. For everything else there's your car edc.
If a person doesn't have a car, then a backpack with a small pocket to keep that EDC kit should be your daily driver at that point. It never hurts to have a backpack, fanny pack, or sling with useful tools and things.
Makes a lot of sense
The added cost is from the pin, pen and micro screwdriver. It's not the materials & parts, it's the labour. They don't have a machine that can insert those, so a human has to.
I made a Yeoman but with a cybertool driver instead of the Philips, works pretty great. I would maybe prefer the pliers instead of scissors and use a minichamp for the cutting
The Compact combo tool can be used as a Phillip's if you tilt it at an angle. It's not great but it does work!
Yeah, I showed that. I kinda works but let's face it, it's not good
I heard that the victorinox toothpick will fit in the tweezer slot of the Leatherman style ps, but will the toothpick driver?
It’s the same size so it should!
@@todd.parker alright I'm buying!
The problem with integrated tools is there are so few that are available without a knife. That greatly restricts where you can carry it, and as a full size Victorinox blade is longer than the allowed length in Chicago,, I basically cannot carry a 91mm SAK of any kind. I disapprove.
I really hope Roxon releases a non pliers version of the Flex. That would be killer, even if it weighs a bit more than a SAK.
Yeah, holding out hope for modular tools
Haha yes, a bar with tool slots.
They can actually make various thickness and size bars.
They can even make something like their knife scissors putting a single large handle tool while having a fully customizable bar.
Have 3, 5, 6, 8, 10 layer tool
Short and long variants of each.
Various tools as a base for the two handle models....
I don't drink wine either, but the small flathead is quite important to me for my glasses and sunglasses.
And i have used the corkscrew for other things, mainly "poking tasks" and getting stuck little rocks out of my shoesoles as well as opening knots.
The tray seems a great idea, i just don't understand how the thin doublesided screwdriver bit stays on when pulling the tray out of the scale, and how you use that very thin bit without any holder or hanlde for it.
I am goofing around with 3D printing a bit, and so the tray solution caught my eye, as it could be used for other things too.
Am not using the toothpick really either, but sometimes a pin would be more usefull instead, and i don't have plus scales because they don't exist in the eighty-something models which my mainly used one is a part of.
There’s just enough friction to hold it in the tray. Good call on the pin, I use mine a lot. I was also thinking some sort of fishing hook and line but that’s a tiny space
@@todd.parker Thanks for answering!
I have seen that some people have drawn custom scales and put on thingiverse to print, maybe a self edited, printed scale could be a way to incoroprate your fishing hook and line.
I didn’t realize that there were customizers for multi tools. That’s great! I am a special education teacher and blades are a no-no at school: my quick and dirty solution was to break the blade and grind it… 🤷♂️
Yeah, there are quite a few out there. Check instagram and eBay
You should put a hex hole in your microdriver holder so you can get a tiny bit more leverage with the bit. Alternatively, there's space under the bit holder and you could print a microdriver to 4mm hex adapter to store under your bits that allows the microdriver to fit in your cybertool.
Also, you could consider dropping the big scissors in favor of an alox classic SD or miniChamp. I find that most things I want to cut can be handled with the smaller scissors and the alox classic is so small and light that it completely disappears until needed.
Thanks for the tips. I experimented with adding a hole to give you some leverage but the bit driver is close to round so there is only like .6mm of grip so it wasn't great. Your idea of finding space under the bit is interesting, I'll look into that.
love the idea of the toothpick replacement!
I recommend the roxon ks2 for a similar toolset without costing so much. I prefer the flatter profile and pocket clip.
This EDC thing is interesting...tool kits, knives, hatchets, firearms, bugout bags, water, battery backup, communications (my cellular i-watch backs up my iphone) and on and on. EDC for me is misplaced. Situational carry (SC) is my thinking. Different tools for different adventures, situational. However, a very small everyday core set is appealing and I like learning about new gadgets. So, I'll keep watching your wonderful videos, no matter. Sadly, every small multitool I've had, I eventually misplaced. I seem to have a penchant for misplacement. At this point, I have two tool kits, one in my SUV, one in the basement. I have a set of Robertson bits for my camper that I carry in my vehicle tool kit along with a host of "emergency" type tools. I even carry a Mountain House meal or two in my vehicle. EDC meals on your list?
I like your Situational Carry, it’s similar to the modular approach to EDC. A basic EDC that fits in a pocket with just the bare essentials of what you actually use daily. That’s a module of a bigger EDC that carries items you use every now and then that are useful but not geewiz tacticool items to impress someone in a UA-cam video or duplications of other items.
You can have as many modules as you need all the way up to a 72-hour SHTF bugout bag or larger, your needs will dictate this.
I carry the compact, I love everything but the corkscrew and package hook, they are worthless except the file surface on the hook. If they could find a way to replace the corkscrew with a bit driver(I could live with the T handle style) swap the hook for the awl but add the file feature I would call it perfect. I would be willing to carry extra bits in a separate holder and I like your toothpick replacement with the micro driver idea. I think you could still use the modified toothpick for weird situations as well, I definitely don’t pick my teeth with it. I think I mostly use it to set the digital clock in my old truck. Great out of the box thinking by you and your followers.
Cyber Compact is the best custom Victorinox in my opinion. I finally got mine today and I love it. My suggestion would be to replace the toothpick with a FireAnt Firefly fire stick. Also recommend adding a FireAnt wax tinder to the corkscrew. You're all set for most things that may come your way.
You can use the hook tool. insert the leatheman eyeglass bit there and let the hook squeeze it in place so you can use it like a regular screwdriver. it should work theoretically.
Nice custom multitool 👍🏻 I vote for it 😊 My philosophy is: the tool(s) I can carry effortlessly, and that’s it.
At work, I can only bring a Victorinox Manager (because I wear suits and also the little Victorinox is socially ok).
In the woods or at home, I can carry a bigger multitool, a big folding knife and sometimes even a fixed blade.
In town, a middle size Victorinox and/or a little folding knife.
So, the tool(s) available depends on where I am, how I’m dressed and the moment of the day/week.
Fortunately, all in all, the tool(s) I have at hand are almost always aligned with the needs of the moment 😊
That how you do it right. I don’t like feeling them in my pocket so I’m very particular about weight and how it carries too
2:00 Victoriniox already stated why some models (the Compact being one of them) are so much expensive then others, when they seams not to have more stuff on them. The reason is simple: they require hand labor. Most of the models are almost entirely produced and assembled my machines, with very minor human interaction required. The compact, on other hand, is almost ALL of it hand assembled. Being in Switzerland (not china) where manual labor is very well paid, I only wonder how they can make them so affordable!!!
Amazing. So glad I found you today
That presentation was VERY well done. Lots of innovation!
Thanks!
I have a custom cyber tool lite with a saw and file added as well as a N690co blade from a Spyderco roadie. I have this for smaller tasks and then a custom leatherman ST300M for heavier work
Man, I came *this* close to adding a Spyderco blade to my custom SAK. Still debating if I should do that with one of my other Cybertools because getting the blade out quickly isn't a strong suit
@@todd.parker it’s nice. The roadie blade is a sheepsfoot shape so it gives me different blade options. And unlike a dragonfly or ladybug blade it doesn’t have the big Spidey hole so it doesn’t stick way out when closed. It actually looks like it’s supposed to be there
Good tip. The thickness of their blades was what made me chicken out. Who made your custom SAK?
Well thought out!
You've got close to our dream of the perfect tool set!
But every time I think about that I'm afraid that the fun of that journey will be over😅
It’s never over. Just ordered a SAK last night 🤠
@@todd.parker 🫣
As a knife nerd, a knife and a multitool is all I need. So it would be nice if victorinox made a knifeless version of the cyber tool. I'd especially love a version with a removable scalpel instead of the standard blade.
100% agree
I find the awl that comes on the Alox models to be more useful than the standard version… but to put it in a custom SAK I think it’d have to take the place of the corkscrew and it’d get all wonky 🤷🏻♂️
Very interested in the toothpick replacement mini driver tool!!!
I’d be interested in your Phillips / Flat head eye glass driver and tray. I’ve just ordered a custom build based on the Compact with Cybertool bit elements, definitely not cheap. But your tray would work perfectly with it (but in blue….😂)
Blue is in the plans!
@@todd.parker - Keep me updated
Amazing! I’ve been thinking about this exact SAK but couldn’t justify ordering a custom. Thanks for showing what could be done. Now a days I just carry a SAK nail clip since I clip my nails way more often than any other tools (except for the knife) 😅
The SAK nail clippers are really good and you're right - I probably need those more often than a pen, pliers, or maybe even scissors
Very good video. Can you recommend a sheath/pocket for the original version of the Bantam Elox? Thanks.
The Bantam Alox is so thin it can fit into a wallet or just disappears in your pocket. A sheath would be much heavier than the Bantam
Thanks for the advice! The thought also came to my mind that any extra pocket would somehow defeat the purpose of that super thin lightweight pockerknife. It fits into my wallet so that is how I am carrying it. I also have a Swisschamp with a leather pocket but that one is just too heavy for edc.
Super inspirational and well made video!
That custom set looks truly awesome.
Greetings from Sweden
Thanks! I have a newer video with all the upgrades/changes I've made
I'd be very interested to have one of your modified Cybertools! like you, I have no interest in the corkscrew, the Phillips bit is much more useful to me.
they charge extra for plusscales, because pin, pen and screw need to be added by hand.. still its a big markup for that^^
Need that leatherman tooth pick holder joint!!
Yeah! You could contact Felix Immler as he is not only a Victorinox guru that loves such ideas but he also is quite close to their management. Or maybe ask the people from fire ant for help with setting up mass manufacturing etc. This idea is just too good 😊
I encountered the Cyber M 15 years ago and never looked back, I've been carrying one every day ever since. Of course, the scissors alone are worth the M and I use the pliers all the time, as pliers, but as you say , they are glorified tweezers, which I would call near perfect tweezers and I use them as such as often.
About the 4mm hex driver, you can use standard 4mm bits and I modified the 3 bit holders and the driver with 4 tiny magnets to hold them in, so I can add very specific bits as required (U-shaped, triwing, etc...)
great idea with the 3d printed holder for the letterman tool, that can go in instead of the tweezers, which are covered by the pliers. Or you could give the 3d printed part a pointy end to double as a toothpick..
about the selection, the Cyber Tool was the last real serious SAK innovation (or did I miss something, maybe the winemaster...) and is pushing 20 years now (to show you how old it is, they advertised the 4mm bit holder as a driver for those mini PC housing screws to hold down RS232 connectors, which I haven't seen since), so I wouldn't hold my breath for any great new tool layout or, god forbid, new tools on the SAK lineup.
I have encountered RS232 interfaces still to this day.
I work with systems that have a proprietary serial connector on their service port on one side, but the other side is still a RS232.
And so we eother need a laptop that still has a 232 port or a USB converter. (which sometimes are a real pita...)
They never went completely away apart from commercial home users.
The other thing is all the screw in connectors at computers had the same screws holding them in. DVI was a thing for quite long for example.
(and i am very thankfull that the mass of manufacturers went away from them and towards display port, HDMI and Mini-DP for graphics. I hated the little DVI plug screws)
As for inovations by Vic for the pocket knives: the wheel hasn't been improoved much for quite some time too. ;-)
I think if there were a viable enough idea for a tool, they would try it.
(Still though i think they are waiting too long to put the package opener instead of the can opener in a "normal" pocket knife instead of the 3 fancy scaled expensive limited ones)
At least they haven't seemingly lowered the quality standards the same way as a number of customers complain with LM recently.
Wow a custom Bantam X, great! A lot of SAK aficionados would love to see Vic release this as a production model but we're not holding our breath.
I was never interested enough in the Compact to get one either, I often carry the Climber and use the small blade more than the larger one, plus I find the flat driver on the can opener can adequately deal with PH2 screws, which the combotool on the Compact can't so easily.
Living in the UK most pliers based multitools are out of the question for EDC for me, as we can't carry locking or fixed blades unless for work or an activity like fishing, camping etc. There is the Leatherman Bond which is nice and I put a pocket clip on mine, but it isn't a ''one and done'' multitool as it lacks scissors which I use a lot, furthermore it's a bit unwieldy for everyday small tasks like opening packages, cutting an apple, or opening a bottle of cold beer.
I too have been carrying separate tools like bit drivers or ratchets, Knipex Cobra XS or other pliers, but still I have to revert to some kind of SAK for the scissors. But other days I just put my Swisschamp in the watch pocket of my jeans, that is my only ''one and done'' multitool.
Recently I've been eyeing up the Cybertool M as it would have the toolset I need for urban EDC - blades, openers/prybars, pliers, scissors, and a bit driver which is better than even the good drivers on the Swisschamp. Also I don't find myself needing a file/hacksaw or woodsaw on a regular basis, and certainly not the fishscaler. Like you I was a bit surprised that there isn't a Cybertool with scissors but no pliers, the Cybertool S has neither, and the M has both.
Yeah the Cybertool is a Goldilocks situation- too big or not enough tools but I love my modded version. You can get the cybercard scissors and carry those - check out my previous video on individual tools I carry for ideas. Thanks!
Cyber Compact! Wes made a Cyber Companion for me. Awesome sauce. Like you said, I can (and sometimes do) carry a better set of tools: Topeak ratchet with Steinwhale bits/bit extender, Westcott sewing scissors, LeverGear Edge XT for prying and package opening, Diamond file with a Civivi Sendy for my knife. Together they weigh more and take up more space, but each tool is better than the corresponding Victorinox tool.
You could modify the micro driver holder with a hole all the way through so you can pull the driver through it and put the holder back in the slot to use the driver. It may also be possible to make it so the holder pitches the driver when you put it back in the slot.
Good idea, been tinkering with that but hadn’t thought about putting it back into the slot to lock it down
Wow, you got me wanting one of each - great video
Thanks for watching!
Man I wish these bit sets incorporated Robertson. It's often left out and they're super common up here in the great white north
Yeah, the big issue is I can't source other bits that have a ball for retention. I was thinking of adding a magnet but haven't gotten around to it yet
Would it be possible to upload the .stl for the leatherman pin holder on Thinigverse?
I can eventually but I’m still refining the model. I had to return my Bambu A1 for the recall so I don’t have a printer for a bit
Great multitool, and even better once modified...
The only thing that i dont like, is that the drivers are no locking. Sometimes i need to do some extra torque, and the drivers close over my fingers.
Yeah, there is a decent amount of tension but that would hurt like heck. I see this as a fairly low torque driver but I've...uh...pushed it
I tried modding a cybertool M to have a magnetic bit driver but I ended up with a bit driver full of tiny magnets and no good way to remove them
That’s been my fear
The compact is as expensive as it is because 1. the hook has a file on the back of it which is expensive to make, and 2. the compact is hand-assembled as opposed to machine assembled.
I want to modding my VSA or get a Roxon. I travel a lot and need something functional but without a knife and the same knife with a good blade
Yeah, a knife is tricky to carry in a lot of cases so being able to just have your other tools is very nice
PLEASE sell the 3D printed mini drivers! I love it so much and absolutely loved the video!
Working on it!
Just found this channel and subscribed. And I would definitely be interested in the leatherman driver scale tool. An excellent idea!
Thanks for the sub! I’m working on setting up the Etsy shop now
@@todd.parker will it ship to the UK?
Please sell the mini screwdriver toothpick. What a great idea!
What is that hook thing for?
What brand is that Rachet and driver?
I cover that kit in detail here: ua-cam.com/video/CwMybvn_f9M/v-deo.htmlsi=kL7aHZf2KQStIeWH
Interesting video. For $160 I want a Benchmade 😂. Sort of where I landed with the leatherman curl. I had thought a gerber armbar slim drive was the ticket for no pliers because I need one hand opening, and a screwdriver, but I need pliers. Absent all the bits you need, it is an option, maybe still an option if you carry extra bits and a victorinox signature or jetsetter with a signature pen scale.
Always great content, it always gives you pause to think how can I improve my edc, weight, multi tools or separate tools or a combination?
It’s a hard decision, both!
Compact is hand assembled - the knives that are cheaper for what you get (lower $/tool price) are assembled 100% by machine. The Compact also has the nail file on the parcel hook at the pres of the company says that is rather expensive and it only shows up there and on the Traveller. If your Victorinox came with a straight pin, it was hand assembled. If it doesn't have a pin, it was made by machine.
also waiting on my Yeoman Mechanic from Wes but I also tried it myself today and put together a Waterman/Deluxe Angler - I took an Angler and added the scissors and parcel hook from the Fisherman so I can have scaler, scissors, pliers, blades, cap lifter/can opener - if I had a combo tool i would ditch a layer and just have main blade and combo tool but I don't
I need not one but two of the Leatherman micro driver holder
Superb. Common sense and the technical so well explained thanks 👌
Glad you liked it
If you don't end up selling the toothpick could you supply the file?
I'll probably do both. My 3D printer was recalled so once I get the models worked out, I'll post those and will hopefully sell them on Etsy for folks that don't have a printer
I would be interested in the micro driver tray for the toothpick slot. Also, can you put up the contact info for the maker of your custom cybertool for us non-instagram users please.
Sure. His name is Wes Taylor. artaylor911@gmail.com
Didn’t know that we could get custom SAK’s. Great video. Look forward to the next one.
Yeah, it's kind of a secret community and some models have multiple year waiting lists and do super expensive builds. Both the guys I used are much more low key and work fast
Apparently, the assembly of the compact is more labour intensive, hence the extra cost.
What can you do with a chums wallet based EDC toolkit?
I carry a wave with full bit kit + a 3 in 1 pen + a pen light on me all the time. Would carry a surge if I had one :D
For my usage:
The problem is size M itself:
once you have so many tools the handle is too thick.. therefore I really prefer to carry a miniSD + ratchet, for what I do is enough.
Yeah, once it gets too thick, not only is is bad to carry, it’s hard to hold
Why choose a bantam over bantam x tho?
Mostly because the Bantam X doesn’t exist 🤠. I have one because I had it custom built for me.
Excellent 👏🏻Flashlight is redundant given cellphone light.
Thanks! Re: flashlight, there is a massive difference between the A1 and your phone so that’s why it’s earned it’s spot in my pocket but if you can get by without much throw or output, I agree your phone is usually good enough