i wanted to say the same thing but hey.. i remembered that was the jordan era lol you would have to remove mike from the league to really take that serious ya know
Mid 00s Phoenix Suns. Amare's injury in 06 and the crucial game suspension of Amare and Diaw in the playoff series vs the Spurs in 07 derailed 2 potential championships for the Steve Nash lead Suns Team.
@@leseth7750 That suns team was so dominant offensively I don't know if there was a more dominant offense before or after then And the defense in 05 was top 6 when they went 62-20 the year they had a chance to get a championship
@@Chuck_EL they weren't winning the series in 05. Their defense was horrible but they did have guys who could defend but their issues were interior defense.
2006 was their chance to make the finals If amare was healthy. The spurs lost in the semis vs the mavs in a tough 7 game series and the suns healthy in 2005 beat the mavs in the semis
Just great to see some people give a bit of recognition. I may be biased thought steve nash is and will be by favorite player and the suns is favorite team. I loved the 7 seconds or left style they had.
I remember the stress fracture I had on both my knees and being so mad at the army doctor because he told me I couldn’t do shit. Little did I know I could’ve become another Walton and had to retire early. Props to the doc!!
In particular, Hornacek averaged more assists than the second most common passer on Utah’s teams in the earlier part of their careers. Stockton still was the most common passer, but the offense may have been less predictable in the playoffs.
For me from this list, it's either the Cavs or the Raptors could've been a dynasty. This is why I kept saying this regarding Toronto: "I don't think they'll win a championship if DeMar was there instead of Kawhi but I still they could've been a dynasty had Kawhi stayed."
100% would have been another finals run in 2020 bc they lost to the Celtics in a fighting 7 games and that Celtics team took Miami to 6 so with Kawhi, Celtics would have lost the series definitively and the Heat would have lost to us in 6 or 7.
@@kabagemayannick5097 how? Maybe Lowry and gasol, and Danny green. besides that, who was aging out in that roster? Freddy v was 24 Pascal was 24 Norman Powell was 25 Og didn’t even play cause he was injured but he was still only 21 years old Had kawhi have stayed he would have had his running mates right there beside him, in vanvleet, pascal, norm, and OG. Raptors would have been dangerous for years to come. We would have seen a lakers raptors finals in 2020, and honestly idk who wins that series
@@disward1832 yeah but the overwhelming calls in the lakers favor as well. Which I think may be the bigger issue. But damn that team was 5 deep on player who could pass above average
11:38 The late 90s Jazz did have Jeff Hornacek who we should not forget was an All-Star and was the leading scorer for a 53 win Suns team before he was the center piece of the package the Suns sent to Philly for Charles Barkley.
Side note: Not sure we’d be calling Utah a dynasty team, but if Utah had more playmakers, they could’ve been more competitive in those playoff series. Stockton was pretty darn good passer, but it appears that other teams shut them down because he was the only one passing, and thus their offense was too predictable.
Remember in Stockton's and Malone's early years, the Showtime Lakers were the best in the West. The '90s really were the Jazz's best chance to be potentially be a dynasty but as we all know they didn't win a championship.
My PERSONAL definition of a dynasty is winning at least 3 chips, they don’t have to be back-to-back, but you can’t go more than 2 years without winning one.
Also the early 2000’s Blazers were super duper talented & big. Just big ballers. Scottie Pippen, Steve Smith, Sabonis, Damon Stoudamire, Bonzi Wells & a plethora of other ballers. They had the Lakers on the ropes before blowing a huge lead. Had they won that Western Conference Finals against the Lakers, they could have been a dynasty
I always thought Kawhi should've stayed in Toronto because that was the best team that could have led him to multiple titles, but he chose to go home to L.A. instead!!!
It’s crazy how blazers medical staff has been incompetent for decades now, they did the same thing with GP2 when he was injured and they basically just gave him a ketorolac shot and said ‘you’ll be fine dw’
Wow yeah that’s a good point. But what can the league do to crack down on irresponsible stuff like this? Apparently they’ve been endangering players for decades
@@Nik.No.K that’s the problem.. it’s kind of the explanation of what would mean the coliseum in Rome.. created just to keep us ‘controlled’ but either we “fans” or them “athletes” wouldn’t have the courage to stop all at once supporting this circus 🤡 so the circle of life(winning, thinking you’re winning) and death(losing, thinking you’re losing) continue when truly there’s no such thing because life itself is a win but death is inevitable as well xdd
In the beginning I knew he was leaving but as the season went on I was like wow they can be really special and a whole country would be behind kawhi. I understand wanting to be in LA but dude really chose to the CLIPPERS. Definitely coulda had another ring or 2 I think
@@logicalraptorsfanatic If the season didn’t get delayed they might have won it without Kawhi lol Pancak was playing amazing and we had home court 🤦🏾♂️
Chemistry issues derailed that team’s success other than that infamous injury on PG. Bird removed Danny Granger who, despite being out of his prime, was still a very good locker room presence and acted like a big brother to everyone.
@@maolenvinpelaez2199 bird removed granger because he technically had a career ending injury after the 2011-2012 season!.... he played a total of 76 games in his last 4 seasons!
@@maolenvinpelaez2199 trading Granger and other moves the front office did fucked up their chemistry especially when they got Evan Turner and accuipred Andrew Bynum who was a shell of himself and got into feuds, toxic locker room.
Raptors built an amazing team, they had the 2nd best record in the nba the year Kawhi left. Kawhi could have rested while we let FVV & OG develop. Plus we get to keep Danny Green who ended up as a starter for the Lakers. What a shame!
Great video Andy! When I came around to watching NBA basketball in the late 2000's, I had already seen the superteams: Boston, Miami Heat etc. It was quiet the turn
07-10 lakers, three straight finals appearances, and back-to-back championships. The team could’ve continued to contend had it not been for the CP3 deal being vetoed.
You cant mention Ostertag and Russell right after Malone and Stockton. Jeff Hornacek was a deadly shooter who averaged 40% for his 3pt career. The supporting cast of Utah was decent, they just got denied by the Bulls.
Minimum dynasty criteria: win 2 titles, appear in the finals 3 times, and be a playoff contender for 4 seasons within that timeframe to be considered a dynasty.
The Jazz had Jeff Hornacek that pushed them to getting to the Finals with his outside shooting. There biggest issue was at small forward until Byron Russell showed up big until the 1996 playoffs and pushed them to the finals the next 2 years.
Ya russell was good at SF but was undersized. His position was better at shooting guard. Before they had Thurl Bailey who was a better wing and had size. Their center depth was always horrible. Eaton was their only true good starting center and Felton spencer RIP was decent but was injured. Osterag was decent as well and was able to keep up against shaq and hakeem
The blazers could have been on this list 3 times. The first being '77, the second being the early 90's drexler lead blazers. Had they got Sabonis when they were sabonis to, suddenly you have one of the best centers of all time playing alongside drexler BOTH IN THEIR PRIME. There's no way even mj's bulls compete with that. The third time being the roy/oden/aldridge injury teams. Blazers are freaking cursed, man. Also I HEAVILY resent referring to okc as a homegrown team when they were practically gifted a contender.
Bad Boys Pistons. Before they went back to back in 89-90, they lost in the conference finals in 87 thanks to the "steal by Bird". Then when they made the finals in '88, they lost by 1 point in game 6 which would have won the title, but Isiah sprained his ankle and would never recover in game 7. They should have won 4 straight titles.
Penny and Shaq Orlando Magic. They were extremely dominant during the season. Everyone was predicting them to win a title, but were upset by the Houston Rockets and only got one Finals appearance.
The 76ers with Dr J only got passed both the Lakers and Celtics one year (1983). Every other time the 76ers faced one of them they would get passed one and not the other or get past neither
Everyone like to talk about the thunder, but Okc was to cheap and didn’t want to pay harden or Seattle and people for get the Seattle part just focus on harder
Honorable mention should've the heat of 2019 to 2022. If they would've added super star to pair with Jimmy butler they could've gone on a few more runs and even win a title, especially with a little more luck on their side
It's crazy the Thunder did the same thing that Golden State did, drafted 3 future first ballot hofers but the difference is GS wasn't afraid to spend and you see what it got them.
Now I see why the Blazers of today forced GP II to take painkillers during an injury because they have been doing this bs to some of their former players since the 1970s.
Lol wonder how the Thunder would've looked if they loved Russ instead of Harden and had him, KD and Ibaka for a balanced team with all kinds of shooting and good defense from Serge.
You can also include the Houston rockets in the 90s where they won 2 chips in 1994 and 1995. But in 1996 vs the sonics also in 1997 the rockers traded Kenny smith, casell and horry to the phoenix suns for Barkley which would create a big 3 but the team was aging and had injuries
Kind of surprised the 97 suns weren't on here, that team had several great players on it and could never seem to get ahead. Almost feels similiar to the Utah Jazz in that era too.
Looking back at that Boston big 3 even tho they won a championship they definitely underachieved, they were the only team in the nba for about 3-4 years with 3 legit all stars and then eventually Rondo becoming one smh.
Honorable mentions to the 76ers from 1980-1983 made 3 finals and 4 conference finals 2003-2008 Pistons made 2 finals and 6 straight conference finals (criminally underrated fact) And the 1962-1969 Lakers made 6 finals in 8 years but never won due to Bill Russell existing
The mid 2000s Pistons are prolly the only team that should’ve formed a dynasty that’s not mentioned. Then there are teams like the mid 90s Rockets, the late 2010s Lakers, the early 80s 76ers and the early 70s Knicks that might be up for consideration
Here are some other ones: 1. 1970's NJ Nets: They could have had Kareem, and they blew it. 2. 1970's Phoenix Suns: The Curse of the Coin Flip. 2. 1970's Atlanta Hawks: In 1971, the Hawks foolishly drafted someone in the ABA hardship draft, taking away their 1972 first-round pick. They would have picked before Milwaukee, and they could have had Julius Erving. If they didn't draft Tom Payne, and took Erving in 72, maybe they could have kept him, and they could have put together a powerhouse. 3. 1980's and 90's Rockets: In Hakeem's autobiography, he talks about how the Rockets almost traded Ralph Sampson to Portland for Clyde Drexler and the #2 pick in the 1984 draft. Imagine Hakeem, Clyde, and MJ for 15 years. Scary! 4. 1990's and 2000's Magic: First, they let Shaq go in 96. Then, in 2000, they could have had Grant Hill, Tim Duncan, and T-Mac on the same team (they also could have had Ben Wallace with them if the Pistons take C John Amaechi for Hill in the trade instead,). 5. 2010's Blazers: If Roy and Oden didn't get hurt (sigh).
the first thing that came to mind for this video were the late 70s and 80s 76ers teams with 5 hall of famers all (mostly) in their primes, dr j, moses malone, mo cheeks, bobby jones, and a young charles barkley at the end. they were a lot better than people remember them for in the 80s, which is seen by most as just "the lakers and the celtics" but before the pistons came around, every year the celtics didn't make the finals in the 80s the 76ers did
Came back here after news broke out that the Raptors have fired Nick Nurse after 5 seasons. Anyone else present here? Had Kawhi stayed like it was supposed to be, I think Nurse kept his job without any doubt and still fight for the title instead of a Playoff spot.
I think that one dynasty that could've been is most certainly the Houston rockets in the 80s, in two ways. No. 1 They got to the finals with Olajuwon and Sampson knocking off the showtime Lakers, so if Samspon doesnt get injured they would probably go on to win a few even before the Jordan retirement. No. 2 They got offered a package of Drexler and a first round pick in th '84 draft for Sampson. That picked turned out to be #2 overall, so they could've paired up a sophmore Drexler with #1 pick Olajuwon and #2 pick (the Blazers picked Bowie but since the Rockets took Olajuwon they probably would've picked Jordan), so they could've had Drexler Jordan and Olajuwon for about 10-15 years
I'd say that Lakers team from earlier in the decade was the first Super Team, they added a slightly past prime Karl Malone and Gary Peyton to a team that had capped a 3-pete and was already a dynasty.
Slightly? Bro was 18 seasons in and it was his final year in the nba. A superteam is all stars in their primes joining a team via free agency. Boston was a stacked team, but miami was the first super team.
OKC and the warriors already had good playoff series like in 2016 without harden, that team would’ve been a juggernaut for sure if the three would’ve stayed
Definitely gotta pick the Orlando Magic from the 90's. If they'd kept Shaq they could've won multiple championships. Especially with Jordan retiring in 98. The Lakers and Spurs were juggernauts but neither of them have perfect Finals records.
Knowing what we know now, if that thunder team had stayed together could they have been a formidable force? You had a young Westbrook, a young Harden who hadn’t quite come into his own yet, and one of the best players in the game in KD. They could’ve been one of the best teams assembled. But that trade worked for everybody. Harden became a superstar in Houston and Westbrook and Durant became a great duo.
That trade worked for everybody, if they don't care about titles. I think it would have been worth it to keep that team together, and I don't know how they wouldn't have won two or three over the next 6 years.
Nope Russ is a Poison to any Team who's looking for a trophy. KD and Harden will not evolve with Russ as their teammate, KD left him even though they almost beat the GS, because he knew the burden that he will get through again if Westbrook still plays by his side.
The 2019 Raptors easily having dynasty potential really adds to the legend of Kawhi Leonard..put any player on his shoes and i'm sure 99% of them aint gonna have any 2nd thoughts of leaving Toronto anytime soon and yet this dude Kawhi just bolted asap like they were 1st round exits 😅
I will repeat it until the day I die that Kawhi should’ve signed a 1and1 in Toronto to run it back one more time before leaving for LA. And you know he realized that in game 7 in the bubble when he was sitting in the Clippers bench with that pissed off look on his face. You could see what he was thinking.
The 76ers in the 80s with Dr. J, Andrew Toney, Maurice Cheeks are going to the Finals in 1982, after that, they added the current MVP Moses Malone, then becoming the best team in the league and won only one Championship.
I’d say both Boston Celtics teams under Danny Ainge should be dynasties I mean the current Celtics could’ve won in 2019 if not for a certain someone disappearing, and in 2022 they came within 2 games of the chip
There's two potential dynasties the past decade. Well, more of a what if. The two teams I can think of is the Kobe-CP3-Dwight Lakers and Lob City Clippers. Or the Kawhi/PG one.
Clips had no chance cp3 and Blake would always get injured when it mattered most or they just choked multiple times same with the Lakers cp3 and kobe would've been worse than Howard and kobe, plenty of past teammates have come out and talked about how much of an ahole Paul really is when he's on your team that wouldn't fly with kobe and at worst either one or both of them would've asked out
Kawhi winning a title in Toronto was a bit of a welcome surprise for everyone, including Kawhi himself. It was just a consequence of KD & Klay Thompson's ACL injuries that gave them a real chance of winning the title. So Kawhi wasn't looking to build a "dynasty" there whatsoever.
Blazers - oden aldridge roy dame Bulls - rose butler deng boozer noah gordon korver thomas Wolves - wiggins kat lavine rubio Suns - stoudemire nash johnson marion
Fun fact, Astros went from Disaster to Dynasty, after the Astros lost the World Series, they didn’t make the playoffs until 10 years later, suffering many 100 loss seasons
I don't understand why some people don't consider the Tim Duncan Spurs to be a dynasty. They won five championships and were serious contenders for the dozen or so seasons in between
I think the technical definition of a dynasty is 3 chips in 4 years. But I feel it should be a little looser than that. Like the early 2000s spurs should count (they one 3 in five years and obviously 5 in total). But I'd throw teams that go back to back if say they made it to the title game 3 or 4 times. At least for basketball.
I don’t think Raptors fans were mad at Kawhi for leaving. After two decades of being irrelevant, dude came to Toronto and in one year he led the team to their first and only Championship.
No one remembers anyone on those Jazz teams outside of Malone and Stockton outside of maybe Ostertag and Russell you say? How dare you slander Jeff Hornacek like that!
All right this is a very interesting video But yeah definitely the 03-04 Detroit Pistons could’ve easily been a dynasty , I mean they made 6 consecutive eastern conference finals appearances
If nobody got hurt, the Magic would've been winning as early as 1998 possibly. The Bulls were starting to crumble in the last dance, & I think a healthy prime Shaq & Penny would've won, especially if the Pacers pushed them to 7. Now the East remained really weak, so Orlando could've easily made the finals every year up until 2005. Age would've caught up by then, and the only real threat would've been the Spurs.
No. Shaq didn't take the next step until Phil got there in 00, maybe if he goes to Orlando after his Bulls stint? He'd have liked Penny better than young Kobe.
I feel like the Cavs could've been a dynasty too. In 2015, LeBron tool the warriors to 6 games by himself. In 2017, we all know that ring was only because Keven Durant signed there.
Some fairly notable omissions here. The 4-4-4 Sixers, with one of the most dominant title runs in history getting bounced in the first round by the nets the next year and then breaking up two years later without making another finals is pretty crazy. The West/Baylor Lakers probably deserve some more recognition than the footnote they got as well. West alone made the finals 9 times, and the Lakers went once with Elgin but before West. Anyway you slice it that’s a crazily dominant team. In regard to the Walton Blazer team, I’m a bit surprised that Andy didn’t mention two things. First, that the champion in ‘78 and ‘79 were fairly weak teams historically, the Wizards and the Sonics. Second, the Blazers actually drafted Moses Malone in the dispersal draft, but traded him because they had Walton. Had they kept both, that would likely be the most famous twin towers ever seen. The Durant Warriors of course likely left a lot on the table. The Shaq/Penny Magic looked poised to be the team of the future in the mid 90s. A personal favorite of mine that didn’t quite get far enough to qualify for this conversation but certainly had the talent is the Roy/Oden/Aldridge Blazers. Don’t forget that they had Roy and Oden still under contract when they got Gerald Wallace, who they eventually flipped for the pick that became Dame.
2000s Kings easily. Best offense in the NBA; ball movement, flashy, fun team. Crazy fans. Down fall; small market. NBA needed the Lakers to be the best team, with all that LA money. Literally robbing the Kings for a chip in that 01-02 season. Started the implosion of Sacramento.
Early 2000's Sacramento Kings?? T.hey had an amazing team. Chris Webber, Vlade, Doug Christie, Peja(severely underrated) and Mike Bibby. Definitely should've been a dynasty, but we're robbed at the Western Conference Finals. Damn shame. Such an incredible team.
Don't forget the 2003-2004 Detroit Pistons that could've been such a rootable dynasty with their synergy 🏆
If they drafted Melo, they could had been.
If they drafted wade or melo they would have more than that one
They was a dynasty
@@tremiller3988 they won one, how tf is that a dynasty
@@jpgcz they went to 8 straight conference finals u tell me 😔😂😂😂😂
I am surprised you didn’t mention the Orlando Magic during the Shaq and Penny era
i wanted to say the same thing but hey.. i remembered that was the jordan era lol you would have to remove mike from the league to really take that serious ya know
I seconded that 💯
They were one or two bench pieces away.
They even had their chance in 94-95 but ran into the greatest center of all time in Hakeem Olajuwan!!
@@Davivd2 I agree they should of made this list they went 62-20 the East in 96 was stacked 4 teams won 60 games that year
Mid 00s Phoenix Suns. Amare's injury in 06 and the crucial game suspension of Amare and Diaw in the playoff series vs the Spurs in 07 derailed 2 potential championships for the Steve Nash lead Suns Team.
Thank you! I just got done making a comment about the suns should be on here too. Steve nash got no love.🫠
@@leseth7750 That suns team was so dominant offensively I don't know if there was a more dominant offense before or after then
And the defense in 05 was top 6 when they went 62-20 the year they had a chance to get a championship
@@Chuck_EL they weren't winning the series in 05. Their defense was horrible but they did have guys who could defend but their issues were interior defense.
2006 was their chance to make the finals If amare was healthy. The spurs lost in the semis vs the mavs in a tough 7 game series and the suns healthy in 2005 beat the mavs in the semis
Just great to see some people give a bit of recognition. I may be biased thought steve nash is and will be by favorite player and the suns is favorite team. I loved the 7 seconds or left style they had.
Paul Pierce, Ray Allen and Kevin Garnett were a very strong big three.
The 2008 NBA Finals and 2010 NBA Finals were great matches.
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Thanks, Magic
They were
if Kg didnt get injured in 09, celtics could've 3peated
If KG never got injured they could’ve won 1 more chip and made it a lot more competitive for the Heat until 2012.
The Blazers big man “curse” all started with Bill Walton.
Sam Bowie , Greg Oden To Name A Few
Curry has Mickey Mouse Rings
@@rileykazama3145 I’m a Kings fan…
@@JahNuhThunDeeTheOneAndOnly yeah right your a bandwagon you only like the kings when they are good
Did the Blazer medical staff get jailed when Walton sued them?
I remember the stress fracture I had on both my knees and being so mad at the army doctor because he told me I couldn’t do shit. Little did I know I could’ve become another Walton and had to retire early. Props to the doc!!
You really gonna bring up Greg Ostertag and Bryon Russell, but not Jeff Hornacek, who was a near 50-40-90 3rd option for them?
Hornacek was underrated. People think he was a bum just cuz the dude was 6 feet and white.
@@tj5180 Greg was white too, but he was also 7 feet.
Thanks to the OP for bringing up Jeff though.
Jeff was money with that jumper...avg 50% fg, 40% from 3, 88%ft.. for a CAREER.. thats crazzzy efficient. 14ppg for a career is pretty SOLID
In particular, Hornacek averaged more assists than the second most common passer on Utah’s teams in the earlier part of their careers.
Stockton still was the most common passer, but the offense may have been less predictable in the playoffs.
Hornáček was unlucky, if it wasn't for the GOAT he would have won multiple championships.
For me from this list, it's either the Cavs or the Raptors could've been a dynasty. This is why I kept saying this regarding Toronto: "I don't think they'll win a championship if DeMar was there instead of Kawhi but I still they could've been a dynasty had Kawhi stayed."
100% would have been another finals run in 2020 bc they lost to the Celtics in a fighting 7 games and that Celtics team took Miami to 6 so with Kawhi, Celtics would have lost the series definitively and the Heat would have lost to us in 6 or 7.
As a raps fan can’t we mad he left because he owed us nothing but still hurts to think about what could’ve been
Raptors had too many aging players to be calling a dynasty lol
@@kabagemayannick5097 you right but even one more run would’ve meant the world to Toronto fans we’re super passionate about the squad
@@kabagemayannick5097 how? Maybe Lowry and gasol, and Danny green.
besides that, who was aging out in that roster?
Freddy v was 24
Pascal was 24
Norman Powell was 25
Og didn’t even play cause he was injured but he was still only 21 years old
Had kawhi have stayed he would have had his running mates right there beside him, in vanvleet, pascal, norm, and OG.
Raptors would have been dangerous for years to come. We would have seen a lakers raptors finals in 2020, and honestly idk who wins that series
Andy Hoops never misses. Greatest shooter in NBA UA-camr history.
Hopefully the 00s kings should be an honorably mention. They had everything!!!! But got robbed and also didn’t perform in the clutch
Honestly would blame it on Webber. Doesn't come up in clutch playoffs.
Unfortunately they had to go through Lakers and Spurs. Otherwise who knows what would've happened.
@@disward1832 yeah but the overwhelming calls in the lakers favor as well. Which I think may be the bigger issue. But damn that team was 5 deep on player who could pass above average
As a long time Lakers fan, I'll admit that they got robbed.
@@Davivd2 you are a better man than David stern lol
11:38 The late 90s Jazz did have Jeff Hornacek who we should not forget was an All-Star and was the leading scorer for a 53 win Suns team before he was the center piece of the package the Suns sent to Philly for Charles Barkley.
Side note:
Not sure we’d be calling Utah a dynasty team, but if Utah had more playmakers, they could’ve been more competitive in those playoff series.
Stockton was pretty darn good passer, but it appears that other teams shut them down because he was the only one passing, and thus their offense was too predictable.
Remember in Stockton's and Malone's early years, the Showtime Lakers were the best in the West. The '90s really were the Jazz's best chance to be potentially be a dynasty but as we all know they didn't win a championship.
@@KevinPayton-fq8gd I can't say I remember because I was born in 93 but I've studies the 90s so I'd say you're right.
My PERSONAL definition of a dynasty is winning at least 3 chips, they don’t have to be back-to-back, but you can’t go more than 2 years without winning one.
Also the early 2000’s Blazers were super duper talented & big. Just big ballers. Scottie Pippen, Steve Smith, Sabonis, Damon Stoudamire, Bonzi Wells & a plethora of other ballers. They had the Lakers on the ropes before blowing a huge lead. Had they won that Western Conference Finals against the Lakers, they could have been a dynasty
Dexter's Blazers also at 90's.
Egos got in the way on that one. But yeah the 99-00 blazers was probably the deepest team of all time.
I always thought Kawhi should've stayed in Toronto because that was the best team that could have led him to multiple titles, but he chose to go home to L.A. instead!!!
It’s crazy how blazers medical staff has been incompetent for decades now, they did the same thing with GP2 when he was injured and they basically just gave him a ketorolac shot and said ‘you’ll be fine dw’
isnt whole nfl still build like this plus the ammount of players that are in que to take your place ;p ?
Wow yeah that’s a good point. But what can the league do to crack down on irresponsible stuff like this? Apparently they’ve been endangering players for decades
@@Nik.No.K that’s the problem.. it’s kind of the explanation of what would mean the coliseum in Rome.. created just to keep us ‘controlled’ but either we “fans” or them “athletes” wouldn’t have the courage to stop all at once supporting this circus 🤡 so the circle of life(winning, thinking you’re winning) and death(losing, thinking you’re losing) continue when truly there’s no such thing because life itself is a win but death is inevitable as well xdd
As a Raptors fan, I’ll always be left wondering what could’ve been had Kawhi stayed.
Facts, that bubble chip was very gettable, from the way things played out, ngl
In the beginning I knew he was leaving but as the season went on I was like wow they can be really special and a whole country would be behind kawhi. I understand wanting to be in LA but dude really chose to the CLIPPERS. Definitely coulda had another ring or 2 I think
@@michaelo6161 facts, but the team was ready that year especially with trading jv for gasol, locked down the defence
@@logicalraptorsfanatic If the season didn’t get delayed they might have won it without Kawhi lol Pancak was playing amazing and we had home court 🤦🏾♂️
@@gendirectmusic home court that boston series is easy, and spicy isnt in lockdown for 3 months, we were rolling, no doubt big scarf energy 🧣 ✊
The Pacers in the 2012-13 and 2013-14 season were really good. They came close to beating the big 3 in Miama
Chemistry issues derailed that team’s success other than that infamous injury on PG. Bird removed Danny Granger who, despite being out of his prime, was still a very good locker room presence and acted like a big brother to everyone.
don't forget the 2010-2011 pacers as well!... they had danny granger over there at the time and was the best defensive team that season!
@@maolenvinpelaez2199 bird removed granger because he technically had a career ending injury after the 2011-2012 season!.... he played a total of 76 games in his last 4 seasons!
@@Kingqubaent but he was still very important for the Pacers team chemistry.
@@maolenvinpelaez2199 trading Granger and other moves the front office did fucked up their chemistry especially when they got Evan Turner and accuipred Andrew Bynum who was a shell of himself and got into feuds, toxic locker room.
People DEFINITELY remember Jeff Hornacek
I was thinking that too
People will remember him as a coach not a player...
@@jueviolegrace8827 maybe the younger generation
@@jueviolegrace8827 who did he coach?
Utah player. Just a guy but he was a good cog in the team.
Raptors built an amazing team, they had the 2nd best record in the nba the year Kawhi left. Kawhi could have rested while we let FVV & OG develop. Plus we get to keep Danny Green who ended up as a starter for the Lakers. What a shame!
Great video Andy! When I came around to watching NBA basketball in the late 2000's, I had already seen the superteams: Boston, Miami Heat etc. It was quiet the turn
Keep doing your thing Andy I look forward to saturdays for your new vids
07-10 lakers, three straight finals appearances, and back-to-back championships. The team could’ve continued to contend had it not been for the CP3 deal being vetoed.
You cant mention Ostertag and Russell right after Malone and Stockton. Jeff Hornacek was a deadly shooter who averaged 40% for his 3pt career.
The supporting cast of Utah was decent, they just got denied by the Bulls.
Was thinking the same exact thing. Hornacek was the 3rd most important player on those Jazz teams
Thank you!! And also Mark Eaton RIP, was a monster role player on the defensive end.
Don't forget in 2016 okc blew a 3-1 lead against gsw with kd and westbrook
and then GSW blew a 3-1 lead against the Cavs 😂 history repeating itself
Minimum dynasty criteria: win 2 titles, appear in the finals 3 times, and be a playoff contender for 4 seasons within that timeframe to be considered a dynasty.
2 back to back titles*
Great video as always Andy!!
Ik Kawhi regrets leaving Toronto so much lmfao
The Jazz had Jeff Hornacek that pushed them to getting to the Finals with his outside shooting. There biggest issue was at small forward until Byron Russell showed up big until the 1996 playoffs and pushed them to the finals the next 2 years.
Ya russell was good at SF but was undersized. His position was better at shooting guard. Before they had Thurl Bailey who was a better wing and had size. Their center depth was always horrible. Eaton was their only true good starting center and Felton spencer RIP was decent but was injured. Osterag was decent as well and was able to keep up against shaq and hakeem
It’s crazy to think how long blazers’ medical team has got away with it for such a long period.
Especially with sabonis too, he literally was playing injured up until he retired. Sickening
@@woo_shynen8805 actually it should be ‘has been getting away with it.’ I forgot the GP incident.
The blazers could have been on this list 3 times. The first being '77, the second being the early 90's drexler lead blazers. Had they got Sabonis when they were sabonis to, suddenly you have one of the best centers of all time playing alongside drexler BOTH IN THEIR PRIME. There's no way even mj's bulls compete with that. The third time being the roy/oden/aldridge injury teams.
Blazers are freaking cursed, man.
Also I HEAVILY resent referring to okc as a homegrown team when they were practically gifted a contender.
Lob City, run n gun suns, 2000s Kings, 90s cavs. Just depends what you consider a dynasty.
Stockton to Malone deserve all due respect, amazing duo! They pioneered the pick and roll
Bad Boys Pistons. Before they went back to back in 89-90, they lost in the conference finals in 87 thanks to the "steal by Bird". Then when they made the finals in '88, they lost by 1 point in game 6 which would have won the title, but Isiah sprained his ankle and would never recover in game 7. They should have won 4 straight titles.
The Malice pacers could’ve been a dynasty if they stayed together even after Reggie retired
Penny and Shaq Orlando Magic. They were extremely dominant during the season. Everyone was predicting them to win a title, but were upset by the Houston Rockets and only got one Finals appearance.
The 76ers with Dr J only got passed both the Lakers and Celtics one year (1983). Every other time the 76ers faced one of them they would get passed one and not the other or get past neither
Everyone like to talk about the thunder, but Okc was to cheap and didn’t want to pay harden or Seattle and people for get the Seattle part just focus on harder
He forgot to mention Jeff Hornaceck on the Jazz' team.
He was probably the third best player after Malone and Stockton.
Honorable mention should've the heat of 2019 to 2022. If they would've added super star to pair with Jimmy butler they could've gone on a few more runs and even win a title, especially with a little more luck on their side
I'm sad for Utah. They should have won at least 1 title. Seattle was also solid with Kemp and Payton
It's crazy the Thunder did the same thing that Golden State did, drafted 3 future first ballot hofers but the difference is GS wasn't afraid to spend and you see what it got them.
Without even watching a second of this video, I am predicting that the Orlando of the 90s with Shaq & Penny are among the 5.
Now I see why the Blazers of today forced GP II to take painkillers during an injury because they have been doing this bs to some of their former players since the 1970s.
worst medical staff in the NBA. maybe that’s why all their star players have medical problems (Walton, Bowie, Oden, Roy, etc)
@@markjackson6431 I hope they stop doing this kind of stuff to their players.
Yet when Dame had that abdominal injury they pulled him. Only once had the medical staff in Portland realized they can't just shoot up a star
Lol wonder how the Thunder would've looked if they loved Russ instead of Harden and had him, KD and Ibaka for a balanced team with all kinds of shooting and good defense from Serge.
You can also include the Houston rockets in the 90s where they won 2 chips in 1994 and 1995. But in 1996 vs the sonics also in 1997 the rockers traded Kenny smith, casell and horry to the phoenix suns for Barkley which would create a big 3 but the team was aging and had injuries
Kind of surprised the 97 suns weren't on here, that team had several great players on it and could never seem to get ahead. Almost feels similiar to the Utah Jazz in that era too.
Looking back at that Boston big 3 even tho they won a championship they definitely underachieved, they were the only team in the nba for about 3-4 years with 3 legit all stars and then eventually Rondo becoming one smh.
But remember in 08 the Lakers dident have Byume and Ariza in 08 finals. If they were healthy things were would have been diffrent
Honorable mentions to the
76ers from 1980-1983 made 3 finals and 4 conference finals
2003-2008 Pistons made 2 finals and 6 straight conference finals (criminally underrated fact)
And the 1962-1969 Lakers made 6 finals in 8 years but never won due to Bill Russell existing
The mid 2000s Pistons are prolly the only team that should’ve formed a dynasty that’s not mentioned. Then there are teams like the mid 90s Rockets, the late 2010s Lakers, the early 80s 76ers and the early 70s Knicks that might be up for consideration
Here are some other ones:
1. 1970's NJ Nets: They could have had Kareem, and they blew it.
2. 1970's Phoenix Suns: The Curse of the Coin Flip.
2. 1970's Atlanta Hawks: In 1971, the Hawks foolishly drafted someone in the ABA hardship draft, taking away their 1972 first-round pick. They would have picked before Milwaukee, and they could have had Julius Erving. If they didn't draft Tom Payne, and took Erving in 72, maybe they could have kept him, and they could have put together a powerhouse.
3. 1980's and 90's Rockets: In Hakeem's autobiography, he talks about how the Rockets almost traded Ralph Sampson to Portland for Clyde Drexler and the #2 pick in the 1984 draft. Imagine Hakeem, Clyde, and MJ for 15 years. Scary!
4. 1990's and 2000's Magic: First, they let Shaq go in 96. Then, in 2000, they could have had Grant Hill, Tim Duncan, and T-Mac on the same team (they also could have had Ben Wallace with them if the Pistons take C John Amaechi for Hill in the trade instead,).
5. 2010's Blazers: If Roy and Oden didn't get hurt (sigh).
the first thing that came to mind for this video were the late 70s and 80s 76ers teams with 5 hall of famers all (mostly) in their primes, dr j, moses malone, mo cheeks, bobby jones, and a young charles barkley at the end. they were a lot better than people remember them for in the 80s, which is seen by most as just "the lakers and the celtics" but before the pistons came around, every year the celtics didn't make the finals in the 80s the 76ers did
Came back here after news broke out that the Raptors have fired Nick Nurse after 5 seasons. Anyone else present here?
Had Kawhi stayed like it was supposed to be, I think Nurse kept his job without any doubt and still fight for the title instead of a Playoff spot.
The 70's Blazers medical staff still active to this day? Walton's story sounds eerie similar to Gary Payton II
I think that one dynasty that could've been is most certainly the Houston rockets in the 80s, in two ways.
No. 1 They got to the finals with Olajuwon and Sampson knocking off the showtime Lakers, so if Samspon doesnt get injured they would probably go on to win a few even before the Jordan retirement.
No. 2 They got offered a package of Drexler and a first round pick in th '84 draft for Sampson. That picked turned out to be #2 overall, so they could've paired up a sophmore Drexler with #1 pick Olajuwon and #2 pick (the Blazers picked Bowie but since the Rockets took Olajuwon they probably would've picked Jordan), so they could've had Drexler Jordan and Olajuwon for about 10-15 years
I'd say that Lakers team from earlier in the decade was the first Super Team, they added a slightly past prime Karl Malone and Gary Peyton to a team that had capped a 3-pete and was already a dynasty.
Slightly? Bro was 18 seasons in and it was his final year in the nba. A superteam is all stars in their primes joining a team via free agency. Boston was a stacked team, but miami was the first super team.
I still think if the Detroit Pistons drafted Carmelo Anthony in 2003 they would have won more championships
They definitely would have been competitive from 2003 to 2014 if all went well.
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OKC and the warriors already had good playoff series like in 2016 without harden, that team would’ve been a juggernaut for sure if the three would’ve stayed
Definitely gotta pick the Orlando Magic from the 90's. If they'd kept Shaq they could've won multiple championships. Especially with Jordan retiring in 98. The Lakers and Spurs were juggernauts but neither of them have perfect Finals records.
mid-2010s Cavs could've definitely been a dynasty if A) KD didn't join the Warriors and B) Kyrie stayed
Knowing what we know now, if that thunder team had stayed together could they have been a formidable force? You had a young Westbrook, a young Harden who hadn’t quite come into his own yet, and one of the best players in the game in KD. They could’ve been one of the best teams assembled. But that trade worked for everybody. Harden became a superstar in Houston and Westbrook and Durant became a great duo.
Don't think Russ's play style would have allowed it, but we will never know
That trade worked for everybody, if they don't care about titles. I think it would have been worth it to keep that team together, and I don't know how they wouldn't have won two or three over the next 6 years.
Nope Russ is a Poison to any Team who's looking for a trophy. KD and Harden will not evolve with Russ as their teammate, KD left him even though they almost beat the GS, because he knew the burden that he will get through again if Westbrook still plays by his side.
The 2019 Raptors easily having dynasty potential really adds to the legend of Kawhi Leonard..put any player on his shoes and i'm sure 99% of them aint gonna have any 2nd thoughts of leaving Toronto anytime soon and yet this dude Kawhi just bolted asap like they were 1st round exits 😅
2021 would be cheap if didn't injured series vs jazz
The teams I consider dynasties the teams that won at least 3 championships with the same core
The 2010's Thunder for sure. After James Harden left, they were still a contender. When Kevin Durant left in 2016, everything changed.
2000s Pistons deserve a mention.
I will repeat it until the day I die that Kawhi should’ve signed a 1and1 in Toronto to run it back one more time before leaving for LA.
And you know he realized that in game 7 in the bubble when he was sitting in the Clippers bench with that pissed off look on his face. You could see what he was thinking.
The 76ers in the 80s with Dr. J, Andrew Toney, Maurice Cheeks are going to the Finals in 1982, after that, they added the current MVP Moses Malone, then becoming the best team in the league and won only one Championship.
They also made it in 1980
I’d say both Boston Celtics teams under Danny Ainge should be dynasties
I mean the current Celtics could’ve won in 2019 if not for a certain someone disappearing, and in 2022 they came within 2 games of the chip
That Raptors just got lucky. I don't have to say much.
There's two potential dynasties the past decade. Well, more of a what if.
The two teams I can think of is the Kobe-CP3-Dwight Lakers and Lob City Clippers. Or the Kawhi/PG one.
Clips had no chance cp3 and Blake would always get injured when it mattered most or they just choked multiple times same with the Lakers cp3 and kobe would've been worse than Howard and kobe, plenty of past teammates have come out and talked about how much of an ahole Paul really is when he's on your team that wouldn't fly with kobe and at worst either one or both of them would've asked out
Kawhi winning a title in Toronto was a bit of a welcome surprise for everyone, including Kawhi himself. It was just a consequence of KD & Klay Thompson's ACL injuries that gave them a real chance of winning the title. So Kawhi wasn't looking to build a "dynasty" there whatsoever.
True but if he had stay the raptors honestly could have win 2020 and 2021
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Blazers - oden aldridge roy dame
Bulls - rose butler deng boozer noah gordon korver thomas
Wolves - wiggins kat lavine rubio
Suns - stoudemire nash johnson marion
Fun fact, Astros went from Disaster to Dynasty, after the Astros lost the World Series, they didn’t make the playoffs until 10 years later, suffering many 100 loss seasons
Damn
I don't understand why some people don't consider the Tim Duncan Spurs to be a dynasty. They won five championships and were serious contenders for the dozen or so seasons in between
I think the technical definition of a dynasty is 3 chips in 4 years. But I feel it should be a little looser than that. Like the early 2000s spurs should count (they one 3 in five years and obviously 5 in total). But I'd throw teams that go back to back if say they made it to the title game 3 or 4 times. At least for basketball.
Does the Seattle Supersonics count as a separate entity from OKC here?
As of now no as they still claim the sonics ring and gp retired number, but if Seattle gets there team again they’ll reclaim it
The 2004 Pistons, 2012 Knicks, 97 Heat. All these teams were stack with great players.
I don’t think Raptors fans were mad at Kawhi for leaving. After two decades of being irrelevant, dude came to Toronto and in one year he led the team to their first and only Championship.
No one remembers anyone on those Jazz teams outside of Malone and Stockton outside of maybe Ostertag and Russell you say? How dare you slander Jeff Hornacek like that!
The suns should be on here too. Steve nash deserves the recognition in my opinion. As a potential dynasty even though they didn't make the finals.
Both the Barkley/Johnson Suns in the 90s and Nash/Amare 2000 Suns had chances to be dynasties
All right this is a very interesting video
But yeah definitely the 03-04 Detroit Pistons could’ve easily been a dynasty , I mean they made 6 consecutive eastern conference finals appearances
Even had Kawhi not betrayed Toronto too, injuries would have short circuited their dynasty
Hornacek damn near avg a 50/40/90 FOR A CAREER..(50fg/40%3/ 88%ft). 13 seasons.. thats crazzzy efficient.. 14ppg for a career is very solid..
I made a hypothesis on if Shaq stayed in Orlando. If Shaq stayed, the Magic dynasty would have been 6 titles from 2000-03 and from 2009-10.
No, Penny was hurt. Grant got hurt too and was done after.
That’s only 5 years and you only posted 4 seasons lol
@@blowc1612 Butterfly effect. Maybe Penny wouldn’t have gotten hurt had Shaq never left
If nobody got hurt, the Magic would've been winning as early as 1998 possibly. The Bulls were starting to crumble in the last dance, & I think a healthy prime Shaq & Penny would've won, especially if the Pacers pushed them to 7.
Now the East remained really weak, so Orlando could've easily made the finals every year up until 2005. Age would've caught up by then, and the only real threat would've been the Spurs.
No. Shaq didn't take the next step until Phil got there in 00, maybe if he goes to Orlando after his Bulls stint? He'd have liked Penny better than young Kobe.
No lob city?! 🤔
The Cavs went to the NBA Finals four times in a row. Should’ve won in 2015 and could’ve won in 2017, if KD didn’t punk out and sign with GSW.
I think Nowitzki in 2011 but next season Mark Cuban didn't resign Tyson Chandler
I feel like the Cavs could've been a dynasty too. In 2015, LeBron tool the warriors to 6 games by himself. In 2017, we all know that ring was only because Keven Durant signed there.
My big 2 would be toronto in a what-if kawhi stayed, and utah for hypothetically winning a championship
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Some fairly notable omissions here. The 4-4-4 Sixers, with one of the most dominant title runs in history getting bounced in the first round by the nets the next year and then breaking up two years later without making another finals is pretty crazy. The West/Baylor Lakers probably deserve some more recognition than the footnote they got as well. West alone made the finals 9 times, and the Lakers went once with Elgin but before West. Anyway you slice it that’s a crazily dominant team. In regard to the Walton Blazer team, I’m a bit surprised that Andy didn’t mention two things. First, that the champion in ‘78 and ‘79 were fairly weak teams historically, the Wizards and the Sonics. Second, the Blazers actually drafted Moses Malone in the dispersal draft, but traded him because they had Walton. Had they kept both, that would likely be the most famous twin towers ever seen. The Durant Warriors of course likely left a lot on the table. The Shaq/Penny Magic looked poised to be the team of the future in the mid 90s. A personal favorite of mine that didn’t quite get far enough to qualify for this conversation but certainly had the talent is the Roy/Oden/Aldridge Blazers. Don’t forget that they had Roy and Oden still under contract when they got Gerald Wallace, who they eventually flipped for the pick that became Dame.
Even though they didn’t win a ring, if Shaq stayed in Orlando, they would’ve been what the Lakers became in the early 2000s
Where would the Lakers be in the 2000s If shaq didnt join them in 1997 or kobe not getting traded for Vlade divic
2000s Kings easily. Best offense in the NBA; ball movement, flashy, fun team. Crazy fans.
Down fall; small market. NBA needed the Lakers to be the best team, with all that LA money. Literally robbing the Kings for a chip in that 01-02 season. Started the implosion of Sacramento.
It should include ..1967 76ers..late 60s Lakers with Wilt Elgin and West and . 1983 76ers
The 2009 Orlando Magic
Early 2000's Sacramento Kings?? T.hey had an amazing team. Chris Webber, Vlade, Doug Christie, Peja(severely underrated) and Mike Bibby. Definitely should've been a dynasty, but we're robbed at the Western Conference Finals. Damn shame. Such an incredible team.
They would've won a title in 2002 but they wouldn't have been a dynasty the west was too stacked.
If OKC kept Harden, we would have seen a different trajectory for Linsanity as well.
What about the 1995/1996 Shaq & Penny lead Orlando Magic?
That was a big potential dynasty in the making until Shaq left to LA in free agency.
If Bill Walton stayed healthy he would have been the GOAT. No question.
Goat would be a reach but I think he would’ve been in the discussion along side Russell, kareem and wilt
Certainly one of the biggest what ifs in basketball.