I think your guess about a previous visitor is probably correct. I'm thinking about how the bowl was clean, spotlessly clean, but the fuel jet was plugged. Thank you for sharing and stay safe.
Most likely someone cleaned the carburetor but not the jets or ports I've done quick and dirty carburetor cleanings by just spraying carb cleaner throw ports and praying it works and most of the time it does lol
Blocked holes in the Emulsion Tube turned out to be the problem with my mower, which hadn't been used for a couple of years. Thanks for your video and for teaching me something. Cheers from Australia.
The hard start is a choke issue , I’ve had the same problems with my own Honda’s .... if the engine doesn’t warm up enough for the auto choke system to fully pull the choke off it will continue to stay partially closed on a start up that don’t require choke . If I don’t run mine for several passes around my yard before shutting it off it happens like clockwork .... I’ve worked on all makes and models over the years found Briggs and strattons with the auto choke to have the same issues .... I’ve knocked out the plug on the air filter housing and put the good old primer back in place and disconnected the rod from the choke and cured those issues for upset customers ... if you ever have the same hard start on a Briggs look at the choke . The Honda either pull the air filter and cover off and just pull till it starts or make sure to get the engine to full operating temp before shutting it off .... works on all of them I’ve had issues with over the years .... auto chokes are ok til they give you grief .... when one customer gets upset thinking you’ve done something wrong .. one is enough .
I've heard the thermowax part on the auto-choke system has a tendency to fail. Perhaps it isn't fully seated into the block or it's not retracting far enough. I used to say that was a cheap part, but they have more than doubled in cost over the last couple years. With the 800 gaskets Honda likes to use between the air filter base and the block, even slight tears in those can cause issues.
@@HomeGaragechannel Pull the cover and _watch_ the choke flap. See if she is opening and how quickly. The thermowax is a Honda goofy design; I have also had some inferior new ones from Honda. Good video sir.
Sometimes my Honda does that when it’s cold, I believe it’s just the result of gas taking more time to get up into the jet and only a small spray can get to it first. I believe that is why most snow thrower engines have primers on them along with chokes so it makes them start and run easier in the extreme cold.
I brought a brand new Webb mower last year and the first 3 times i started it the exact same thing happened to me it started very slowly just as in your video, but from then on to present day it starts and runs perfect best mower i have ever owned, i simply put it down to being a brand new engine but of coarse this Honda is used so can not be the case, top marks for cleaning her up i do like to look after my machinery 👍
My Honda does that, The Toro dealer sold it to me that way, and I have a great relationship with them and really trust them so I don’t think it’s an actual problem with the mower.
I had the same issue on the auto choke on a newer Honda/husqvarna like this earlier this year although mine was way worse. Everytime I tried to start it it would do what yours did the first time you started it. I found when I manually pushed the governer arm to increase rpms it cleared up quickly but I never did fully figure it out. Also if I moved the choke off manually it would clear up instantly. The wierd part is that the mower looked basically new, it was a 2017 model year and it was running when I got it. I was looking through the other comments and saw alot of people guessing it is running lean / not getting enough gas, but that's definitely not it because you can tell by rhe sound it is extremely rich, and when i took the choke off it clearedup. I replaced my choke bracket, and that little heat-wax piece that is in the cylinder and no matter what the choke wouldn't come off by itself for a long while.
The problem you are describing with the Honda auto-choke sticking shut was one that really perplexed me too until I closely studied the problem while it was happening and found the cause. It’s due to the carburetor bolts being over-tightened at some point which squishes the air box gaskets causing the back of the air box to interfere with the choke linkage and hold it shut. Eventually the wax piston pushes hard enough to overcome the interference but it takes way too long and the engine will run rich and belch out black smoke until the choke opens. While the engine was misbehaving I loosened the carb bolts just a little bit, then I heard the linkage go “CLICK” and the choke opened right up and worked every time. To confirm it I tightened the bolts back down and sure enough the choke stuck again. I just added another air box gasket to increase the clearance and it never happened again. Mine was a 2017 Honda on a Toro SR4 but I’ve run into this issue on other Honda powered gear. When the wax pellet goes bad the choke won’t shut, it just stays open all the time.
The bowl seal breaking happens frequently due to it drying out , I haven't tried this but Vaseline or engine oil rubbed on the seal might make it last longer and come apart with out breaking even if it drys out a bit
I have this exact mower in my shop now- wheels worn slick, drive belt worn out, all handle bolts missing. Hate Honda mowers. Too many guards, shrouds etc. replacing drive belt requires removing a huge plastic cover underneath with multiple hidden screws. I’ll bet you have a slow or sticking auto choke. Mine starts up first pull. Nice video.
Hey Home Garage!! I have come across the same issue when working on a gcv160 a while back. Sometimes it would run slow like that to the point where it would never come up to full rpm. It ended up being the coil gap was too large, creating an excessive distance from the flywheel. My assumption was prior disassembly and improper installation. Check it out and let me know what you find!
I enjoy watching your repair videos. I have a Honda Lawn Mower, “HRX217HYA” purchased in 2017. Lately, when I go to stop the lawn mower and move the throttle lever to the stop position, it keeps on running. It only completely stops when I engage the blade. Any suggestions on how I can fix this problem? Thank you!
thank you for giving me, enough information to help you out. The problem is the switch on the engine, at the flywheel. It's either broken, and not working, or there's a part that's not making contact on the switch. Or there's a break in the wire going to the ignition coil.
Thank you sir. I think the owners attempted to start the cleaning of carb and decided not a good idea and forgot to tighten the bowl nut. I have the same mower with gas coming out of the air filter that’s my next project. I bought a new bowl gasket with a washer for bowl nut. I’m hoping this with solve the issue.
Yes, someone worked on it. Also check the choke linkage and if the engine has one of Honda's wax chock pull offs, change it. They run about 7 dollars and I think some of them have an updated model. Not sure what style choke you have. Also I have seen them in my shop that someone put the choke spring on or in the wrong hole. I don't know why Honda used bolts instead of studs with nuts on the GC160 and GC190 style engines. Studs would be far easier on install of the pieces, gaskets, carb, air box, etc. on. Sometimes I assemble them with chop sticks or wood dowels and remove them one at a time and install the bolts.Thanks
I am suprised you do not know about making studs to assemble the carburetor using bolts the size of the original but longer with the heads cut off and a notch for a screw driver added to each stud. You screw these in slide the gaskets and carburetor on, then hold the assembly in place, remove one stud and use the OEM bolt on the assembly. Hold the other side tightly and remove the other stud and replace with the other bolt. It's easier than trying to align gaskets, the carburetor and the associated parts. I learned this on my first Honda repair after cursing the assembly and trying to keep everything aligned. Good video.
oh I've seen it done before but I do not prefer to use that technique as theres no need unless all the gaskets and insulators are loose and if they are I just glue them.
The auto-choke linkage uses a nylon cam that bumps the choke butterfly open somewhat at WOT. It's a pretty foolproof system, but if it's been messed with, all bets are off. That would be the first item I'd check, and it doesn't require removing the carb. Just move the governor arm manually and watch the choke butterfly. A failing thermowax plunger might be at fault, but I'd doubt it -- it would be really stubborn to start, if it starts at all.
I had my GCV honda engine fail due to it walking out the intake valve guide causing the intake valve to stick. After tapping it back in once or twice and having the guide walk out again I used the hat trick of Loktite Red, peening over the casing, and installing an exhaust guide valve seal with the rubber seal removed to keep the guide in place. It worked all summer long and I'm hoping the fix is permanent.
You should have checked the idle jet to see if it was clogged too. It's under the Phillips screw on the top of the carb. Slow starting is common when partly clogged.
Hey home garage! I have a Honda engine on my troybuilt mower. It’ll sometimes blow smoke out of the exhaust. Any idea on what could cause this? I’m wondering if i should start looking for a new mower. TIA
sure blue smoke is oil burning, black smoke is too much fuel. As for the reason, does it only happen when on flat ground or are you going down small hills, or in a ditch?
Ha haaa, thanks for addressing the wavy washer debate from our convo in another Honda video. This wavy washer drives me crazy cause i dunno why all the diagrams show the washer inside, yet alllllll the Hondas i see, have it on the outside. My thought is, Honda made the change and havent changed diagram? Lol Thanks again
My son in law found a free TroyBilt by the edge of the road a week ago. The owner said it wouldn't start. It turned over with some carb spray. I took it home , checked it over. It had oil on the mower deck also. I noticed that the fuel tank was bone dry. I put some fuel in it and it started on the fourth pull. I found out the valve cover leaked oil pretty bad. I ordered a new gasket, screws for the filter housing and a new filter. It started on the first pull and no oil leak. Checking the the tag, I found out the mower is only a year old. 1/29/2021.
Never had a loose bowl but I'd pull the top off and check the automatic choke and throttle for binds somewhere. Sounds like the choke is pulling off slow. Thanks!
Hmm I have never heard a mower start like that one did or does. I definitely believe someone was in the carb and put it back together incorrectly. Maybe a spring in the wrong hole or even missing. Anyway great repair on this good looking machine. Thanks for the videos.
Regarding a Tecumseh 3.5 HP Craftsman mower that stalls when mowing on an extreme side hill angle. It never stalls on an equally extreme uphill or downhill angle. A thorough going through the carb didn't solve the issue. Do you have a best guess? I thank you in advance for any suggestion. After stalling it is harder to start than normal. It has always been extremely problem free and well maintained.
The honda GVC160 series engines have a pressure relief system on the exhaust valve, this helps make the pull starting a lot easier, it is possible that this is sticking open until the engine builds some speed and the exhaust valve closes fully.
It appears that the auto-choke isn't working correctly. The thermowax most likely is the problem. They go bad a lot and are available online for around $10. Thanks for the vid.
At 7:12...about two video ago I asked about the wheel mounts been different from what I'm seeing here, I have a Honda HRS 216 which is the basic model and on the height adjuster there's a soldered bolt on the opposite side but probably on this one there's one too because you're not showing the other side. I was able to get the screw out the wheels with pliers and grease them, the unfortunate thing that here in Florida we have to deal with sand that gets everywhere.
Did you ever fix the issue of it starting slow? Did you check compression? Valve lash? Choke? Most likely a choke issue...seems like it isnt fully closing and once it warms up then the air fuel mixture gets correct....or it could be a compression issue...obviously the engine running at full speed creates much more compression than a person pulling the rope.... Im leaning towards choke though...
@HomeGaragechannel off topic...I bought a carburetor online for a mower and the carb fits but the fuel inlet is too small...I can't use smaller fuel line because it won't fit over the gas tank outlet....can I use a step down adapter (3/8in to 1/4in) or would that slow down the flow of fuel?
What I found out is when these Honda mowers with a ratcheting drive systems get harder to pull backwards (wheels dig into the grass), its usually the axle bearings in the frame are drying/seizing up (even though you can hear the ratchets working when you roll forward). A little lubricant can solve the problem, but eventually those bearings need to be replaced.
the auto choke mechanism behind the carburetor is spring activated and if there's any grit in between the arm that moves the spring and a lever back and forth at jams it up and makes it harder to take it out of choke you need to wash it and a parts washer or can it break cleaner and then loop it up with some lubricant and it'll be fine after
Might be stale gas making it start slowly. I just had a Honda powered Husqvarna in here that started the same slow way, it had very old gas with stabilizer in it. Previous owner thought it had been drained and was very surprised it still had gas in it, she hadn’t used it in 2 years!
Starting off slow at first may be a dirty spark plug or spark timing or weak spark or ignition coil or like you said the throttle plate spring or something else but it started a little better after the first time and may start better and better as it's being used for a while and could be nothing
@@HomeGaragechannel I to was thinking the ignition coil may be out of adjustment causing a weak spark, cant hurt to check the throttle plate spring. Valve adjustment slightly out of spec. could cause that if it has never been checked
I’m not sure why it starts like that, but I’d definitely take a close look at that auto choke feature. I have a feeling that’s where you’re problem lies
Maybe the auto choke system isn't quite working like it should, or maybe is choking for too long. Hopefully that's all it is, because the way it starts and runs sounds a bit lazy. Might want to do a compression test, as I think the engines compression is a bit on the low side. Could definitely be leading up to bigger problems in the future, and unfortunately I don't think there is a whole lot that can be done about it.
Thats the same issue mine has, but it stays that way until it shuts down, i already replaced carburator , oil , spark plug an fuel and still does the same, when i start it in the morning it works fine for 2 minutes then keeps doing that as if its choking ...
My guess about the slow starting is that there's some kind of issue with the governor, perhaps it is binding somewhere, or that the internal governor mechanism isn't exactly right somehow. Or maybe it's just made that way.
The bowl gaskets are pricy! I use two wooden dowels to load the carb and gaskets on the block, then hold the whole affair tight to the engine, and replace the dowels one by one with the bolts.
My guess is the slow start is due to the yellowed, dirty, old air filter. For a test, remove it completely then start. Replace if it fires off quickly like it should. As always, never run a mower without an air filter, just a test start will be fine though.
The spring provided by Honda is the wrong one and needs to be replaced with a 13 coil spring, instead of the 21 coil one it came with .Should have been a recall on these...
I’ve never seen a bowl just fall off the carb unless somebody did work on it. So my answer would be yes, I think somebody did work on this mower before.
yes I have this one and Inside House Garage. they where supposed to be sister channels, but people didn't get the point of one being diagnostic, and the other the repair.
I would guess that it failed to start due to the jet restriction you found and the owner decided he/she would do some DIY maintenance and took the float bowl off possibly damaging the bowl gasket in the process then realizing they were out of their depth decided to seek help inventing the tale about the bowl falling off as a cover story.
I think your guess about a previous visitor is probably correct. I'm thinking about how the bowl was clean, spotlessly clean, but the fuel jet was plugged. Thank you for sharing and stay safe.
Most likely someone cleaned the carburetor but not the jets or ports I've done quick and dirty carburetor cleanings by just spraying carb cleaner throw ports and praying it works and most of the time it does lol
thank you Dwayne Madsen.
Blocked holes in the Emulsion Tube turned out to be the problem with my mower, which hadn't been used for a couple of years. Thanks for your video and for teaching me something.
Cheers from Australia.
nice work and thank you
The hard start is a choke issue , I’ve had the same problems with my own Honda’s .... if the engine doesn’t warm up enough for the auto choke system to fully pull the choke off it will continue to stay partially closed on a start up that don’t require choke . If I don’t run mine for several passes around my yard before shutting it off it happens like clockwork .... I’ve worked on all makes and models over the years found Briggs and strattons with the auto choke to have the same issues .... I’ve knocked out the plug on the air filter housing and put the good old primer back in place and disconnected the rod from the choke and cured those issues for upset customers ... if you ever have the same hard start on a Briggs look at the choke .
The Honda either pull the air filter and cover off and just pull till it starts or make sure to get the engine to full operating temp before shutting it off .... works on all of them I’ve had issues with over the years .... auto chokes are ok til they give you grief .... when one customer gets upset thinking you’ve done something wrong .. one is enough .
thank you Kent Peterson.
Thanks for the step by step explanation...I was finally able to make my mower running again...hats off to you 🙌 🙏
Glad it helped
I've heard the thermowax part on the auto-choke system has a tendency to fail. Perhaps it isn't fully seated into the block or it's not retracting far enough. I used to say that was a cheap part, but they have more than doubled in cost over the last couple years. With the 800 gaskets Honda likes to use between the air filter base and the block, even slight tears in those can cause issues.
hmm.. that's an interesting idea.
@@HomeGaragechannel Pull the cover and _watch_ the choke flap. See if she is opening and how quickly. The thermowax is a Honda goofy design; I have also had some inferior new ones from Honda. Good video sir.
Sometimes my Honda does that when it’s cold, I believe it’s just the result of gas taking more time to get up into the jet and only a small spray can get to it first. I believe that is why most snow thrower engines have primers on them along with chokes so it makes them start and run easier in the extreme cold.
that's makes sense.
I brought a brand new Webb mower last year and the first 3 times i started it the exact same thing happened to me it started very slowly just as in your video, but from then on to present day it starts and runs perfect best mower i have ever owned, i simply put it down to being a brand new engine but of coarse this Honda is used so can not be the case, top marks for cleaning her up i do like to look after my machinery 👍
thank you for the information
My Honda does that, The Toro dealer sold it to me that way, and I have a great relationship with them and really trust them so I don’t think it’s an actual problem with the mower.
thank you JT.
I had the same issue on the auto choke on a newer Honda/husqvarna like this earlier this year although mine was way worse. Everytime I tried to start it it would do what yours did the first time you started it. I found when I manually pushed the governer arm to increase rpms it cleared up quickly but I never did fully figure it out. Also if I moved the choke off manually it would clear up instantly. The wierd part is that the mower looked basically new, it was a 2017 model year and it was running when I got it. I was looking through the other comments and saw alot of people guessing it is running lean / not getting enough gas, but that's definitely not it because you can tell by rhe sound it is extremely rich, and when i took the choke off it clearedup. I replaced my choke bracket, and that little heat-wax piece that is in the cylinder and no matter what the choke wouldn't come off by itself for a long while.
hmm.. that is interesting, thanks for sharing that.
The problem you are describing with the Honda auto-choke sticking shut was one that really perplexed me too until I closely studied the problem while it was happening and found the cause. It’s due to the carburetor bolts being over-tightened at some point which squishes the air box gaskets causing the back of the air box to interfere with the choke linkage and hold it shut. Eventually the wax piston pushes hard enough to overcome the interference but it takes way too long and the engine will run rich and belch out black smoke until the choke opens. While the engine was misbehaving I loosened the carb bolts just a little bit, then I heard the linkage go “CLICK” and the choke opened right up and worked every time. To confirm it I tightened the bolts back down and sure enough the choke stuck again. I just added another air box gasket to increase the clearance and it never happened again. Mine was a 2017 Honda on a Toro SR4 but I’ve run into this issue on other Honda powered gear. When the wax pellet goes bad the choke won’t shut, it just stays open all the time.
The bowl seal breaking happens frequently due to it drying out , I haven't tried this but Vaseline or engine oil rubbed on the seal might make it last longer and come apart with out breaking even if it drys out a bit
now that's an idea.
I have this exact mower in my shop now- wheels worn slick, drive belt worn out, all handle bolts missing. Hate Honda mowers. Too many guards, shrouds etc. replacing drive belt requires removing a huge plastic cover underneath with multiple hidden screws.
I’ll bet you have a slow or sticking auto choke. Mine starts up first pull.
Nice video.
yes they seem to have a lot of extra parts.
Hey Home Garage!! I have come across the same issue when working on a gcv160 a while back. Sometimes it would run slow like that to the point where it would never come up to full rpm. It ended up being the coil gap was too large, creating an excessive distance from the flywheel. My assumption was prior disassembly and improper installation. Check it out and let me know what you find!
nice, I'll have to look into that. thank you Gavin Gizowski.
Thank you for the information on stopping the Honda Lawn Mower. The mower just needed some WD-40.
Glad to help
Someone definitely work on this mower before you. Great job/video. I really enjoy all your videos 👍🙏👍🙏👍
thank you RayFpv, I'm also pretty sure someone has as well.
I concur. How was the bowl clean but the jet plugged? Perhaps they cleaned the bowl and figured that would do the trick.
I enjoy watching your repair videos. I have a Honda Lawn Mower, “HRX217HYA” purchased in 2017. Lately, when I go to stop the lawn mower and move the throttle lever to the stop position, it keeps on running. It only completely stops when I engage the blade. Any suggestions on how I can fix this problem? Thank you!
thank you for giving me, enough information to help you out. The problem is the switch on the engine, at the flywheel. It's either broken, and not working, or there's a part that's not making contact on the switch. Or there's a break in the wire going to the ignition coil.
Is the auto choke working properly?
I think you might be right about the auto choke
Mine did the same thing after changing the wax auto choke back to normal
Yeap i was thinking about the auto choke as well.
Thank you sir. I think the owners attempted to start the cleaning of carb and decided not a good idea and forgot to tighten the bowl nut.
I have the same mower with gas coming out of the air filter that’s my next project. I bought a new bowl gasket with a washer for bowl nut. I’m hoping this with solve the issue.
I hope so too and good luck with it.
Yes, someone worked on it. Also check the choke linkage and if the engine has one of Honda's wax chock pull offs, change it. They run about 7 dollars and I think some of them have an updated model. Not sure what style choke you have. Also I have seen them in my shop that someone put the choke spring on or in the wrong hole. I don't know why Honda used bolts instead of studs with nuts on the GC160 and GC190 style engines. Studs would be far easier on install of the pieces, gaskets, carb, air box, etc. on. Sometimes I assemble them with chop sticks or wood dowels and remove them one at a time and install the bolts.Thanks
thank you Waterman one.
What do you think about people saying to put engine to top dead center prior to tipping mower on side?
it's good advice, however I never do it and I've been fine
That happends when the autochoke sticks. Take of the carb and lube the autochoke system. Often are the spring that sticks
yes you're absolutely right!
I am suprised you do not know about making studs to assemble the carburetor using bolts the size of the original but longer with the heads cut off and a notch for a screw driver added to each stud. You screw these in slide the gaskets and carburetor on, then hold the assembly in place, remove one stud and use the OEM bolt on the assembly. Hold the other side tightly and remove the other stud and replace with the other bolt. It's easier than trying to align gaskets, the carburetor and the associated parts. I learned this on my first Honda repair after cursing the assembly and trying to keep everything aligned. Good video.
oh I've seen it done before but I do not prefer to use that technique as theres no need unless all the gaskets and insulators are loose and if they are I just glue them.
Someone worked on the mower. For the starting issue, check the valve adjustment.
yes I think you're right. thank you Bruce Coleman.
I think explaining that the washers that are on the wrong side explain a lot, that it was serviced in the past.
thank you John Evans.
The auto-choke linkage uses a nylon cam that bumps the choke butterfly open somewhat at WOT. It's a pretty foolproof system, but if it's been messed with, all bets are off. That would be the first item I'd check, and it doesn't require removing the carb. Just move the governor arm manually and watch the choke butterfly. A failing thermowax plunger might be at fault, but I'd doubt it -- it would be really stubborn to start, if it starts at all.
you make a good point.
What cleaning product do you use??!! This might help me a lot , !!
I’m using Super Heavy Duty Degreaser from Harbor Freight.
Thanks for the video, I was wondering what cleaning spray you are finding that works best?
the degreaser from harbor freight is the best I've found. I would follow the instructions because you can damage paint.
I had my GCV honda engine fail due to it walking out the intake valve guide causing the intake valve to stick. After tapping it back in once or twice and having the guide walk out again I used the hat trick of Loktite Red, peening over the casing, and installing an exhaust guide valve seal with the rubber seal removed to keep the guide in place. It worked all summer long and I'm hoping the fix is permanent.
now nice work.
You should have checked the idle jet to see if it was clogged too. It's under the Phillips screw on the top of the carb. Slow starting is common when partly clogged.
yes I should have
Hey home garage! I have a Honda engine on my troybuilt mower. It’ll sometimes blow smoke out of the exhaust. Any idea on what could cause this? I’m wondering if i should start looking for a new mower. TIA
sure blue smoke is oil burning, black smoke is too much fuel. As for the reason, does it only happen when on flat ground or are you going down small hills, or in a ditch?
Ha haaa, thanks for addressing the wavy washer debate from our convo in another Honda video. This wavy washer drives me crazy cause i dunno why all the diagrams show the washer inside, yet alllllll the Hondas i see, have it on the outside. My thought is, Honda made the change and havent changed diagram? Lol
Thanks again
no problem
My son in law found a free TroyBilt by the edge of the road a week ago. The owner said it wouldn't start. It turned over with some carb spray. I took it home , checked it over. It had oil on the mower deck also. I noticed that the fuel tank was bone dry. I put some fuel in it and it started on the fourth pull. I found out the valve cover leaked oil pretty bad. I ordered a new gasket, screws for the filter housing and a new filter. It started on the first pull and no oil leak. Checking the the tag, I found out the mower is only a year old. 1/29/2021.
very nice, it strange it was leaking for such a new mower.
Never had a loose bowl but I'd pull the top off and check the automatic choke and throttle for binds somewhere. Sounds like the choke is pulling off slow. Thanks!
Hmm I have never heard a mower start like that one did or does. I definitely believe someone was in the carb and put it back together incorrectly. Maybe a spring in the wrong hole or even missing. Anyway great repair on this good looking machine. Thanks for the videos.
thanks D Butler I may have to either look at it again or just let it go back like this
Hey bro what's up? It's most definitely strange how the nut for the bowl came loose. I think someone tried repairing it themselves and they messed up.
I think you're right too.
Is there a wax part on the HRR choke? I would have liked to see WHERE & WHAT TYPE it has.
the wax thermostat sits in a round opening right about the intake port, on the head.
Regarding a Tecumseh 3.5 HP Craftsman mower that stalls when mowing on an extreme side hill angle. It never stalls on an equally extreme uphill or downhill angle. A thorough going through the carb didn't solve the issue. Do you have a best guess? I thank you in advance for any suggestion. After stalling it is harder to start than normal. It has always been extremely problem free and well maintained.
thanks for the information
@@HomeGaragechannel I was asking a question.
not enough information to make a guess.
@@HomeGaragechannel Thanks for your consideration.
The honda GVC160 series engines have a pressure relief system on the exhaust valve, this helps make the pull starting a lot easier, it is possible that this is sticking open until the engine builds some speed and the exhaust valve closes fully.
you might be right.
I try to pull the rope a few times until tight then all the way to start it. Priming in a sense a cold mower engine on my Toro’s Honda clone engine.
I was thinking an issue with the automatic choke? I’m not a professional, but I like the challenge of trying to guess correctly.🤷♀️
so far the votes are for the auto choke so I have no problems looking at it again.
It appears that the auto-choke isn't working correctly. The thermowax most likely is the problem. They go bad a lot and are available online for around $10. Thanks for the vid.
no problem and thank you for sharing what you know about them
At 7:12...about two video ago I asked about the wheel mounts been different from what I'm seeing here, I have a Honda HRS 216 which is the basic model and on the height adjuster there's a soldered bolt on the opposite side but probably on this one there's one too because you're not showing the other side. I was able to get the screw out the wheels with pliers and grease them, the unfortunate thing that here in Florida we have to deal with sand that gets everywhere.
that's a shame.
Did you ever fix the issue of it starting slow? Did you check compression? Valve lash? Choke?
Most likely a choke issue...seems like it isnt fully closing and once it warms up then the air fuel mixture gets correct....or it could be a compression issue...obviously the engine running at full speed creates much more compression than a person pulling the rope....
Im leaning towards choke though...
If I recall it didn't do it anymore after filming stopped. I think I checked the compression and valve lash in a different video
@HomeGaragechannel off topic...I bought a carburetor online for a mower and the carb fits but the fuel inlet is too small...I can't use smaller fuel line because it won't fit over the gas tank outlet....can I use a step down adapter (3/8in to 1/4in) or would that slow down the flow of fuel?
it would slow it down some but not enough to matter, just remember to but the step down close to the carb.
Thank you so much , I follow your steps and I make it work ,🎉
no problem
What I found out is when these Honda mowers with a ratcheting drive systems get harder to pull backwards (wheels dig into the grass), its usually the axle bearings in the frame are drying/seizing up (even though you can hear the ratchets working when you roll forward). A little lubricant can solve the problem, but eventually those bearings need to be replaced.
you are correct.
the auto choke mechanism behind the carburetor is spring activated and if there's any grit in between the arm that moves the spring and a lever back and forth at jams it up and makes it harder to take it out of choke you need to wash it and a parts washer or can it break cleaner and then loop it up with some lubricant and it'll be fine after
I see, I'll have to into it, maybe it just needs a good cleaning, thank you Christopher Tyler.
Might be stale gas making it start slowly. I just had a Honda powered Husqvarna in here that started the same slow way, it had very old gas with stabilizer in it. Previous owner thought it had been drained and was very surprised it still had gas in it, she hadn’t used it in 2 years!
hmm.. you be onto something.
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Starting off slow at first may be a dirty spark plug or spark timing or weak spark or ignition coil or like you said the throttle plate spring or something else but it started a little better after the first time and may start better and better as it's being used for a while and could be nothing
those are both good choices. thank you Eric Richards.
@@HomeGaragechannel I to was thinking the ignition coil may be out of adjustment causing a weak spark, cant hurt to check the throttle plate spring. Valve adjustment slightly out of spec. could cause that if it has never been checked
Tip. I picked up a second set of blades so I always have a sharp blade at the ready and can sharpen or take to be sharpened at my convenience.
very nice tip!
Did you check the idle jet? If it has one of course.
it's more of a pilot jet but no I don't think so.
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That bowl gasket was an example of "lean" manufacturing process. 😋
yeas you are correct.
I’m not sure why it starts like that, but I’d definitely take a close look at that auto choke feature. I have a feeling that’s where you’re problem lies
thank you Willam Rawa.
Good day I really don't know That is why I watch you. Thanks
not a problem, to be honest, that's why I makes these videos too, so people can all pitch ideas. thank you Don Voll.
Wow look how clean that mower was after a quick clean. I do belive someone has fiddling around
me too, and it's always nice to see you in the comments
I was putting a recoil back on a 450e Briggs and stratton and two white pieces came off and i don't know were they go.
they are the pawls
Maybe the auto choke system isn't quite working like it should, or maybe is choking for too long. Hopefully that's all it is, because the way it starts and runs sounds a bit lazy. Might want to do a compression test, as I think the engines compression is a bit on the low side. Could definitely be leading up to bigger problems in the future, and unfortunately I don't think there is a whole lot that can be done about it.
I think you're right.
When you first started the mower there could be some miss firing from not enough gas in the cylinder
yes that would be very good option.
Thats the same issue mine has, but it stays that way until it shuts down, i already replaced carburator , oil , spark plug an fuel and still does the same, when i start it in the morning it works fine for 2 minutes then keeps doing that as if its choking ...
I think the automatic choke is not opening all the way till the engine warms up.
I think you're right.
Someone has been there recently. It almost starts like it has hydraulic lifter needing to pump up or off idle circuit in the carb restriction
you might be right
might be flooding check if fuel is running through the carb when not in use and fuel is on.
that's a very good possibility!
It's a fuel issue. The carb may be a bit dirty. Try running some fuel injector cleaner through it. Also use non ethanol gas.
thank you Bob Smith .
My guess about the slow starting is that there's some kind of issue with the governor, perhaps it is binding somewhere, or that the internal governor mechanism isn't exactly right somehow. Or maybe it's just made that way.
that's a very good guess, I'll have to take another look, thank you Stan.
Governor has nothing to do with the starting .The idle jet does that and is most likely clogged.
Possibly a sticking compression relief??
hmm.. now that's a new one, that would be interesting to find out.
Have a honda mower that sat 5years with fuel not used got it to run but will not idle and spitting oil out the carb any direction would be appreciated
sure, did you check the oil level?
I wonder if it's higher then it should be.
Remove the carburetor and clean thoroughly. There is an idle jet that gets clogged and wills make it surge or not idle if plugged
Also, if the air filter is clogged it will pull oil from crankcase
Is the air filter dirty
no it's not that bad at all.
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Sounds like the automatic choke is bad. Runs fine after it warms up a little.
I think you are correct.
Why didn’t you check the screen in the muffler?? And or the muffler?
hey that's a great idea! I think l'll do it now!!
i still got the original air filter for my mower probably because i clean out before an an after each use
wow, very nice.
@@HomeGaragechannel yep
You forgot the the pilot jet under the Philips head screw on top near the idle screw
if the pilot was clogged it would continue to surge.
That's right.
I think that someone forgot to tighten the bowl nut when working on the carburetor which may have been why the bowl was loose !
I think you'r right.
I would think it has a sluggish thermo wax choke part
the thermostat, only bypasses when the head gets hot, It's to help for hot starts
Thank you, i believe someone else worked on it,
thank you Hanksbud.
The bowl gaskets are pricy! I use two wooden dowels to load the carb and gaskets on the block, then hold the whole affair tight to the engine, and replace the dowels one by one with the bolts.
yes they are, thank you Jim of the tip.
It may be the thermostat just being slow at opening
you might be right
Possibly the auto choke is probably not opening like it should right away
I think you're right.
My guess is the slow start is due to the yellowed, dirty, old air filter. For a test, remove it completely then start. Replace if it fires off quickly like it should. As always, never run a mower without an air filter, just a test start will be fine though.
Thank you Jeff Proctor, the color of the air filter is the way it's supposed to be, and after removing the air filter, it's still doing it.
It's not the air filter ...the idle jet is clogged.
The engine starts always with 1 pull, thats what i like about the machine
I like these as well.
Posible fuel line detieriaeration
interesting idea.
Definitely sounds like a delay in going from choke to open.
it certainly seems that way.
The spring provided by Honda is the wrong one and needs to be replaced with a 13 coil spring, instead of the 21 coil one it came with .Should have been a recall on these...
thanks for the information
I’ve never seen a bowl just fall off the carb unless somebody did work on it. So my answer would be yes, I think somebody did work on this mower before.
thank you William Snow
Didn't k ow you had this channel too.
yes I have this one and Inside House Garage. they where supposed to be sister channels, but people didn't get the point of one being diagnostic, and the other the repair.
I would guess that it failed to start due to the jet restriction you found and the owner decided he/she would do some DIY maintenance and took the float bowl off possibly damaging the bowl gasket in the process then realizing they were out of their depth decided to seek help inventing the tale about the bowl falling off as a cover story.
that's also a very good option, than you 1903bretep
If this hapens to you rev it for 25 sec on Max im fixing many engine it help on 40% on them
It's the auto choke
The reason it is starting like that is due to the auto choke, that occurs on cold start ups for the first minute or so and then goes away
I can somewhat agree with that, but the super slow start, is a bit much.
The auto choke does not cause this issue ...a clogged idle jet will.
My guess is the auto-choke warming up.
I think you're right.
@@HomeGaragechannel no way I just watch your videos, but I was able to free up a GT-200R thx to your content. And a carb is on the way!! :)
I think it has to do with the auto chock
I think you're right.
Hello Home garage I think somebody was messing with it to make that carb to come loose
that's a very good possibility
Maybe the valves are coming out of spec
I think that a good idea.
Someone put a spell on this mower.
You only did a PARTIAL carb clean, the whole carb should be cleaned properly
good point
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thank you Lobo Robertson.
You know why it starts up like that it’s the auto choke system
I think you're right.
I don't even know why my mower acts like that for some reason it wants to slowly start up
I know right, it's still a mystery to me too.
old 86 10% gas
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You know, I really despise arrogant people like you, nobody cares if you are first
thank you Steve Bisson.
Spark plug arrester buildup
dirty mowers do not sell. people like shinny stuff. that's how I sell machines do easily with all the gross/dirty machines that are listed.
you are correct about that.