The Growing List of Solutions to the Fermi Paradox with Stephen Webb
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- Опубліковано 25 лис 2024
- Where is everybody?
How many solutions to the Fermi Paradox are there?
Joining John Michael Godier is Dr. Stephen Webb, astronomer and author of 'If the Universe Is Teeming with Aliens ... WHERE IS EVERYBODY? Seventy Five Solutions to the Fermi Paradox and the Problem of Extraterrestrial Life’.
They discuss the many possible solutions to the fermi paradox, from zoo hypothesis to life being a filter. Dr. Webb also discusses the time he saw a UFO.
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What do you think the Solution to the Fermi Paradox is???
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Rare intelligence. We are the first with tech and the will to explore. I wouldn't be surprised if we find life but I doubt we will find even hunter/gathering aliens. But I do think we will seed the Galaxy with life... hopefully 😃
I, personally, think it has to do with how unique our Earth and solar system is.
- We have an exceptionally stable and well-behaved star that's located a fair distance from the galactic core, relatively safe from gamma ray bursts, supernovae, black holes, and other hazards.
- Our gas giants help shield our planet from asteroids.
- One particular asteroid struck the earth at just the right moment to eliminate those pesky giant reptiles and ultimately gave rise to humanity.
- Our moon entered the solar system at just the right moment, angle, and velocity, to collide with earth and be captured, giving us additional protection.
- Earth has just the right rotation to give us a 24 hour cycle ideal for plants and animals.
- Earth has just the right axial tilt to give us mild seasonal differences, again ideal for plants and animals.
- Earth has a molten core that causes plate tectonics to stir up the crust and make metals and other rare resources available to us, and also generates a magnetic field which protects us from solar radiation.
- Earth also formed with just the right mix of elements to allow life and to let us develop a technological civilization (especially phosphorus, which is both essential for life and an exceedingly rare element in the universe).
Each of these things, by themselves, isn't so unique, but all these things taken together create and incredibly rare thing our Earth is. But also look at our political history and how unlikely events led our technological civilization:
- Had history gone even slightly differently, we'd be living under a worldwide dictatorship.
- Had France not aided the American revolutionaries, the USA would never have succeeded in its revolution.
- I realize this statement may be a bit contentious, politically, but without the American revolution, free market capitalism may never have arisen, or have merely been adopted in limited ways, and the world may even still be ruled by kings. And without free market capitalism, it's debatable whether anyone would have ever invented the telephone, automobiles, computers, and a whole host of technologies we take for granted today.
- I know this may be a controversial opinion, but I think, perhaps, this latter may be the answer to the Fermi Paradox: I bet'cha that if we ever find aliens, they'll be living under worldwide feudalism that has existed on their worlds for millennia, with progress stifled because kings see no value in peasants having conveniences like reliable heating and cooling, or the ability to talk to each other over long distances, etc., etc.
Lastly, and I know this will sound insane to some people given the tremendous speed of advanced technology in recent years, but have you ever seen the film, _"Idiocracy?"_ Our technology is thwarting natural selection, removing all risk from stupidity and predators. Part of me believes that a kind of "idiocracy" may be wholly, or partially, an explanation for the Fermi Paradox. If you doubt that there is, at least, a wee bit of truth to this, just examine how well most students on most college campuses understand economics and the value of basic liberty.
If there are technological civilizations out there, there's probably less than one per galaxy on average. Even if we develop immortality (or effective immortality, i.e. lifespans of billions of years), would you want to spend a million years of that life cooped up on board a spacecraft? So exploration/travel between galaxies is probably not very common, IMHO.
EDIT: I know that some of my statements above defending political liberty, and crediting economic freedom with our technological advances and prosperity, won't win me many friends among the intelligentsia elite here in the comment section, but history is what it is.
Rare earth, mixed with anthropic principle...
Imagine millions of years from now we’ve spanned the galaxy. How will other intelligent species arise? There has to be a first with expansionist tendencies, and that first might prevent others. Not necessarily intentionally, but just through their civilization’s metabolism in younger star systems.
@@HungryGuyStories Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner.
This is a simulation and the simulators are saving on computing power. Every other Fermi solution doesn't make sense. Rare Earth hypothesis violates the mediocrity principle by claiming the conditions for advanced life are very very rare, which makes Earth very very special. Why should we assume we're special? That's a massive violation of the mediocrity principle.
Simulation theory doesn't violate any first principles and it answers the paradox quite nicely with a plausible scenario: simulation creators want to save on computing power. It's just us in this universe.
Does anyone else play JMG in the background as they go to bed? 🙋♂️
Raymar Football I do for sure. I have insane anxiety at night and this show and JMG’s other channel are a godsend!
Sounds great to us! Great channel btw.
Guilty
@@lifeonenceladus4420 glad the channels help you.
I would if the intro music wasn't so much louder than the rest of the video... Wakes me up lol
My god John, an hour of Fermi? You're spoiling us.
Haha
People like me complained about the short ones. You're welcome 😉
I love these debates.
Lol, yes, john does quite love us.
Thats what I said.... "Oh, WORD!!!! *gets popcorn ready*" 😂😂😂
I'm so glad I get to go to bed listening to intelligent people discuss space
It really is very stimulating isn't it
@@i_sin_solo yeah it is!
🥰🤏🏾same
Brian Fike lol oouuuu 😂🔥🔥🔥
You are equal to them.. they just have a little less space on their SD card.
Are we alone in the universe? Yes. So there’s no other civilizations in the universe? No there are but they are alone too.
I love this. I was thinking about it earlier and then I came back to the video by chance and saw your comment again. Is it a quote? I find it clever and amusing.
@@Meilk27 I heard it someplace and always liked it. Kind of explains how huge the universe is.
@@craigthescott5074 thank you
I like that
They are so far away, they could as well be in a different dimension, wouldn't matter.
Except for travelling through worm holes or alike.
200 years ago we didn't have cars, we now have stealth planes, what might an advanced civilization have for stealth ?
Technology is not like a never ending river, it is like a mountain.
If they wished for stealth they would most likely create black bodies with near zero albedo. Or just live around red giants in habitats which we cannot detect at any distance without physically getting within a few light years even with much more advanced technology
Papawill13 Sure. And we are at the peak of our civilization, said every smartass ever about his world. Banal mistake.
@@danie7kovacs Who is talking Civilization? I am talking Technology. Look at Aircraft, the means of propulsion is near its Zenith and once there a New Technology will be needed. Same with Rocket Tech, and really anything to do with propulsion. And to be clear I am talking about Better Tech, not different yet worse.
Better yet, Speed of Information is also nearing its Zenith.
Or how about lighting Tech, no one will invent a better lightbulb, they will have to invent a completely new way to Light things.
Technology is like a Mountain, not a River.
I experienced it. I walked at a obious UFO landing site and suddenly I was i their huge excalator. I could not see it from 1 m distance. As I walked through, my head looked above the moving stairs where 3m tall machine-aliens moved down the 50..100 m long stairs. I sticked my hand out to one of them and could feel a pulsating warmth.
This can't be better than this, I'm in bed wondering what to play for good night and notification drops, event horizon about fermi paradox!
I'm lucky tonight! 😊
so you got lucky last night......... :)
Haha same here 🙈😂
I got lucky yesterday also haha, perfect to listen while u fall a sleep.
Yourself?
Ive got lots of sleep podcasts, forum borealis does 3 hrs ! Dark journalist too , Joseph Farrell is wicked to fall asleep, no ads !
I really appreciated Dr. Stephen Webb saying he'd seen a UFO but analysing it as realistically and sceptically as he could.
Fanstastic show. This has to be one of the most interesting episodes I've seen so far. I hope you can bring Stephen Webb on more often in the future!
Thank you Sam. Stephen Webb and John is a perfect combination.
One of the best episodes of this show. You should definitely bring him back since there are so many possible solutions left undiscussed.
We plan to. He’s fantastic.
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Me: event horizon strong
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Nothing better, get stoned watch cosmology vids.
Good new strain name maybe
EVENT HORIZON lol ✌
Q: How high did you get last night?
A: John Michael Godier.
I've recently joined the LIGO scientific collaboration as an undergraduate researcher and it's an absolute honor
Congratulations! Thank you for watching Event Horizon.
@@EventHorizonShow thank you for the content! It's inspiring
@macsporan thank you so much
Felicidades Alfredo. Mucho éxito.
@@Manuelordorica880 muchas gracias, lo aprecio
You’re knocked this one out of the park, John. When you have an expert on the Fermi paradox conceding that two questions are interesting and he had not given it much thought, it is safe to say that you have done some deep thinking on the subject.
As I see it I'm an expert on the *Fermi Paradox.* I know that it's not a paradox and that knowledge _makes_ me an expert.
Doesn’t matter what I’m doing. I see an Event Horizon notification, I click.
Me too
Great minds think alike!!
Same! I wait all Thursday waiting for it.
Bring on Thursday!
Even while sex?
This is the greatest episode of this podcast to date! I'm coming in late here, I know - but I had to say something. This cast is like inexhaustible rocket fuel for a futurist's or science fiction author's mind. It's enough to take a dreamer to the edge of the observed universe and back in just an hour's time.
i REALLY cannot believe someone hasn't named a Sativa strain the 'Fermi Paradox'
Maybe a hybrid of alien cookies and vortex
Fermi impair-adox
Only a complete or congenital imbecile might suppose that the so-called the 'Fermi Paradox' is any kind of paradox. You clearly have no idea what a paradox is, and on *Any* possible view the so-called the 'Fermi Paradox' is not not not *Not* a paradox but you have no idea what a paradox is, have you titch?
Mr. Godier, once again thank you for these intriguing and perfectly done shows. I love watching these while doing my physics or calculus homework and it just puts me in the ZONE
Just wanted to note the passing of Dyson.
A life well led, that I'm positive influenced many of us, particularly here.
Perhaps a memorial show would be a nice tribute?
Yes. A great scientist and person.
Thanks for the info. Sad to hear.
@@EventHorizonShow great vacuum cleaner too
Sorry to hear it, although it sounds like he had a fulfilling life.
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Love the Fermi Paradox talks. Thanks to all involved!
"When you consider all that has to go right in order to get to life like us, it's easy to conclude that it is incredibly rare." (Paraphrasing)
My thought: When you consider the sheer scale of the universe, it's easy to conclude that such "rare" events, quite possibly may happen all the time.
Especially when you consider that we cannot even say with database 1 (us) what "rarely" means.
Stephen himself mentions this in his Ted Talk, although he admits that he actually looks at us as rare, possibly unique.
@@thwh77 ok so where is everyone?
@@Kalmera6238 @home
@@Kalmera6238 in a long enough timeline everything that can happen will...the timeline is just toooooo longgg...alos warp is likely just the grest filter :○
There could be a 100 alien civilizations at various stages of development in our own galaxy right now and we'd be lucky to find them with our current tech.
The Milky Way is 200k light years across, has roughly 250 billion stars, and probably a trillion planets.
Mathematically this would be 1 out of 10 billion planets have intelligent life. Crazy rare, but there's just so many planets the odds of us being the only ones are basically zero, and that's not even counting the billions of other galaxies.
Help I've fallen into Event Horizon and I can't get up
I have become so obsessed with the Fermi Paradox the past few weeks that it's interrupting everything else.
hahha looks like its my turn.
I recommend to disengage a bit, because it will take a long time to figure this one out ;)
It's bedtime, so of course it's time to blow my fading mind with the brilliance of Event Horizon.
The music, narration, and the power of contemplating the mysteries of the universe lead by JMG has been helping to align my brainwaves, relax and fall asleep for what feels like years now. Thanks JMG! You’re the man!
@Daniel Gregson right on Dan !!
Even if there isn’t anybody else out there, We have to look. And we will learn a lot. Win Win
One of the most interesting things I’ve listened to in a while
John this was a VERY good video I must say. You have the best content on UA-cam by far in my opinion. Thanks for doing what you do 👍
John thank you so much for your content your the only place I can go to for Real Fermi paradox hypothetical solutions anymore. Sometimes I feel like there’s not enough people talking about it and it’s disappointing but you sir are the exception and I admire your persistence and longevity in this subject. Keep it up JMG! And thank you Stephen for all your amazing input on this amazing and a lot of times baffling subject that so many humans desire an answer to.
59:10 When _Lost in Space_ went on the air, I was too young to understand that that technology wasn't real, so when Armstrong landed on the Moon just a few years later, I didn't understand why it was such a big deal.
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The opposite thing happened to me. I grew up with cartoons from the 50's, so I thought the futuristic technology they sometimes used was actually so new it hadn't been introduced to my country (Mexico), so I believed that in the 2000s people would regularly go to the Moon in those old pre-Apollo rockets, that I would need to learn Morse code for when I inevitably would have to use a telegraph, etc.
you mean you were brainwashed , you said it , they prepared you so that you accept it , yes they did that , and are still doing it , same patern . First talk about raising taxes then raise them , dont raise them then talk . Its politics
@@dedskin1 Hello, yes, uhmm... What the fuck are you talking about?
This is still the best thing I've seen all year and BOY has it been a year!
Amazing stuff as always Mr. JMG...best way to relax at the end of the day.
This was a lot of fun, one of my favorite episodes so far. Thanks!
An hour plus of Fermi? Oh my god, I've died and made it into Paradise. Thank you John! We don't deserve you!
I swear if the Reapers are out there and they come for us in 20k years, I'm gonna be pissed!!
hoping they show up sooner or planning to stick around for 20k years?
We should be dead already relax
@@mididoctors 🤣
Right. I want the war now!!!!
You can either fight like a Krogan or run like a leopard but you'll never be better than Commander Sheppard.
"Then you would know immediately that something's up."
"It hasn't repeated."
I can't say I find the Fermi Paradox that much of a paradox. One of the suggestions is that, even at a slow rate of travel, the galaxy could be "traversed in a few million years". The problem is not traversal; the problem is the vast number of stars.
Sure, you could travel from one side to the other in a million years using slow interstellar travel. However, you certainly aren't going to visit every star system. There are 100 billion stars in this galaxy. To visit them all is going to take billions, if not hundreds of billions of years. We have only been broadcasting our presence for a mere few decades and the diameter of the sphere of broadcast is less than 200 light years. It makes us a needle in a haystack, even if an advanced civilisation had reached most areas of the galaxy. So really, there is no "paradox". The galaxy could have many intelligent civilisations and yet none have found us, even if they were actively looking.
As for us finding evidence - it's still the same problem. There is a lot out there. What if the aliens use point-to-point broadcasts to communicate? Unless they're beaming right at us then we hear silence. The galaxy could be buzzing with comms and yet we hear nothing.
To the question of whether or not alien visitors would be hostile, I think the answer is pretty obvious, they would be peaceful and eager to preserve life everywhere. For them to have gotten to a technologically advanced enough state to be able to visit us, they would have surpassed war and greed, and would have plenty of resources to pick up from other planets before reaching ours. They likely would come to realize life is extremely rare in the universe as well.
What if they want to save us?
We might not want want they are happy to offer
@@zoompt-lm5xw perhaps not. could you give some examples?
"To be able to get to us, they'd have to get past war and greed."
Why?
We have absolutely no idea what Alien psychology would be like. We only have us to go on.
@@WhydoIsuddenlyhaveahandle because it these factors would increase and kill them off
Can you explain why if the world is so big, which is _most likely_ full of single women, I can't find any of them?
*the introverts paradox*
The answer are:
1) Talk to women, don't care if you feel like an idiot trying to get some
2) Act like an idiot trying to get some
3) Repeat until it works.
Women love men because they would never do obvious embarrassing things like we do to approach them; which fascinates them.
There's a saying, I'll butcher it but: the guy who goes around the bar and asks every woman if they want to fuck gets turned down a lot. He also gets laid a lot.
Wow that`s a solid skill .
@@NewGoldStandard Laid, out on the floor from a back hander. A lay is a lay ,either way you got F....d !
Go to AA meetings they don't drink, so they need something to stimulate them,
I just want to give a huge thank you to you, John. I've been struggling with sleeping for so very long... I'm on medicine for it, and I've ran out of ASMR facts videos to listen to so being able to relax and listen to your interviews and videos about fascinating stuff has helped to relax my mind and truly help me sleep. No more intrusive thoughts, nothing like that. Only interesting space theories and phenomena! Thank you so much to you and all of your guests!!! 💕💕💕
No sleep just more thought
I love listening to JMG I always play it at the end of my day toward bedtime and this may sound weird but love falling into the event horizon and falling asleep to his voice...
Another amazing episode, John. I feel like I used to back when I was 12 watching Star Trek: TNG, full of wonder towards the universe.
This was an especially interesting and informative episode. Your guest is very well spoken and added a lot and you asked the right questions. Well done and thank you.
Thanks that means a lot
*Star Trek: Fermi Edition*
"Captain's log, Stardate... today.. Yet another dead planet. I stopped counting at one thousand. Luckily we have enough whiskey to drink. Log entry out."
Deep time is a fascinating thing, difficult to wrap one’s head around.
If you take the entirety of the expected life span of the universe, and scale it down to one earth calendar year to make it easier to grasp mentally, then it is only about January 10th or so on the universal calendar.
And the further away we look in space, the farther BACK in time we see.
Though we exist, which alone is sufficient demonstration that life and cognition are not merely possible in the universe, but that they are physical principles of the universe, it may simply be that we are the first to arrive at the party.
Whatever that is playing ever so softly in the background is so soothing.
The Aliens are smart enough to be social distancing by more than 2 metres.
dang....I thought it was 2 AU not 2 parsecs
i really think we are looking at them right now, but we dont know what we are looking at! how many times have you walked past something you were looking for and until someone points it out you would never had found it.
But we are probably looking at them however many light years behind right ? The wow signal let's say it was from aliens probably took 28 thousand years to reach us. This is my point in my comment. The universe has been designed in a way where this stuff is not really suppose to happen and if it does it will be rare very rare
@@thamananm3159 so they only sent one signal
@@420247paul we only sent one signal too in our attempt to day hello to others . They talk about it on the video. My point is basically whoever's created this universe has ensured that it will be bloody difficult to extremely rare - for different civilisations to communicate with each other. Furthermore, actually travelling distances and surviving is more likely to be done by machine civilisations. Our biological dna is the second obstacle after time and distance.
love the uploads keep um coming John Michael ,peace from Ireland
Thank you Tony!
It's not complicated. The universe is impossibly huge and we have no idea what we're even listening for.
John, your voice is absolutely one of the most pleasing sounds I've ever heard. So soothing. So beautiful. Love ALL your vids! So informative!
I love this, his voice grabs you to listen in.
I thought that sound was his false teeth.
Probably the most interesting and most mind blowing subject possible. Just think, no matter what the solution to the paradox is, it will be terrifying and change the way we think forever. I truly hope and pray we can figure it out within my lifetime.
Very well said.
I love your work man! Your videos are incredible dude. Thank you so much. I am addicted to your content! Best science show on UA-cam.
I agree but there's a complete different approach also, have you heard of thunderbolts project? Its pretty cool.
This is a great talk.
Fantastic interview, JMG! Thanks a lot! 😊
Nothing better than a nice long Fermi paradox convo!
a thoroughly fascinating episode, that final conversation about ufo's at the end really comforted me tbh
The Wow! signal was found by chance 43 years ago. For the last 43 years we have occasional pointed a telescope in the direction of Wow! for a few hours if that. Considering the original signal lasted 72 seconds, the chances of spotting it again, unless we point a telescope at it 24/7/365 for years, must be like winning the lottery jackpot. And maybe we already have so the chances of winning again are virtually impossible.
ua-cam.com/video/x67K-Vq1KWk/v-deo.html
Probabilities only apply to unknowns, e.g. the future. The chance of winning once in the future is very low. The chance of winning twice in the future is even lower. However, when you've won once, you don't need to win twice in the future in order to have won twice. Your chance of winning a second time is identical to the chance of winning once in the future.
Regardless of that: If the Wow! signal means that ETI was in that direction then, it'll still be the most likely place to find ETI again. It's then a place where we know that ETIs have had cause to be. Maybe it's where they live, maybe it's where they travel to, maybe it's where they end up when something goes wrong (galactic equivalent of the ditch at a sharp turn); regardless which, the fact that they've been there once makes them more likely to be there again, than any randomly chosen place.
The trouble is, we don't know that they were ever there. If they were, though, the few hours pointed in that direction have a higher likelihood of success than the same hours pointed anywhere else. If they were.
Regarding the Wow signal: if this was communication between parties who were aware that they were communicating with a known entity, there would be no reason for it to repeat. If I call or text a friend to see if they want to do something, they’d be annoyed if I repeated everything I said...
True. Have you seen our Wow! Signal episodes? ua-cam.com/video/x67K-Vq1KWk/v-deo.html
Check out this article - it shows that multicellular life is possible without mitochondria, which means that the transition from prokaryotes to eukaryotes may not be a filter at all
Event Horizon: I loved the Wow! Signal episode!
Here’s a link to the article about multicellular life without mitochondria. They seem to have lost mitochondria, rather than having evolved without it.
www.sciencealert.com/this-is-the-first-known-animal-that-doesn-t-need-oxygen-to-survive/amp
"Surprise", I couldn't tell you where everyone was and spoil the surprise party.😂
Stumbled apon this channel in the recommendation under a space X video. I am not disappointed at all. This is awesome!
I’m playing as I go to bed tonight, hope there are no audio commercials or it will be last time I play because there are so many other choices without commercials.
Amazing information! Thank you John!
The simple and obvious solution is everyone is listening and few are transmitting. Far better to hear first then be heard first.
Lions have the instinct of attack and hunt. maybe humans have the instinct of making war and conquer. thats why we will never be allowed to leave this galaxy.
Just about now a civilisation 65 light years away will be picking up an episode of ‘I Love Lucy’.
Embarrassing for us.
what a wonderful interview. thank you!!!
This has become one of my favorite episodes. Great guest and questions. Also, I unintentionally play Event Horizon to fall asleep.
When you've uploaded the consciousness of your entire civilization into a tiny computer that you've placed inside the center of a red dwarf, to power it until the universe dies, you don't really need to worry about extraterrestrial life or gathering resources!
Whats the point?
@@norml.hugh-mann Hey even when we reach the tech I mentioned in my original post we still won't have the answer to THAT question.
Here's my favorite solution to the multi-galactic version of the Fermi Paradox: There's a discovery, or an experiment, in every universe, that the first technologically capable species will happen across. This experiment causes the entire space-time to rip apart, at the root. Effectively, the entire bubble of the universe either jumps to the great rip, or de-inflation, on the scale of the initial inflationary event. Thus the first intelligent species, results in the relatively immediate destruction of the entire Universe. That's why, when we look out in the visible universe, we don't see any signs of super-intelligent mega-structure building intelligent species, in any of the galaxies. Because each intelligent species is always the FIRST intelligent species, in the entire Universe.
@jumbonium righto 👀💥💥👽👀
@I 've eaten a schwarzschild radius depends. Strange matter has to be oppositely charged to do shit if I'm not mistaken. Forget which it is but two types ones dangerous one not so much and only if it touches regular matter.
Love your videos, among the highlights of my existence - thank you for making them to everyone involved!
Thank you for watching!
Dude I love your channel and your videos, for me, the background music on the interviews drives me nuts, but that’s a small point. Keep ‘em coming!
Sorry it bothers you.
@@EventHorizonShow not enough to stop watching, not by a long shot, thanks again
I've told quite a few people about your UA-cam channel and it's great content on here sheesh 👍🏾
This was so incredibly interesting, and even though I didn't know what this paradox was going in, it's about something I've been thinking about all my life. I firmly believe in life out there, and intelligent life. I do think it's very rare, but in the vastness that is the observable universe alone, the distances between stars, planets, and galaxies would still mean it's teeming with intelligent life. But then there's also the issue of expansion. So the real downer here is even if the universe is full of life, the reality is we probably won't ever encounter any. Unless we get seriously technologically advanced and are able to travel beyond our solar system and our galaxy. Or hey, maybe the universe is filled with life in relative close proximity and we are more of an exception, living out here in isolation.
The dark Forrest buddy their hiding
Wow, how about saying you know based on mathematics. The book is called Probability 1.
It's amazing how egocentric we are to believe that we are soooooo special as to be the only life in ten quintillion stars and over 100 quintillion planets. How arrogant when we have only just begun to dip our toes into the ocean of possible life
its not egocentric, if anything its realistic . We have no undeniable evidence that there is life in our observable universe. I'm sure the general consensus is that, there must be life SOMEWHERE out there. Our goal right now is to find it. Science deals with facts, and the facts are that we have yet to see alien life.
*You are arrogant
@@kalani8729 There's probably life in our solar system. Fools
Where is everybody? They are miles away, trillions and trillions of them!
I think a lot of us listen to John when we're tucked snuggly... I turn on some fairy lights as if they are stars
Thanks JMG
Love your interviews and narration. Thank you for continuing to scratch my itch on the mystery of the cosmos
Is there the Event Horizon or JMG Discord server? I would love to join!
Is there?
I would join as well
Is there?
Flying saucer screeches to a halt...
"Oh my gosh... those children are playing in the street. Don't they know that's dangerous?"
"Uh-oh... they see us. They're looking right at us... go, go, go!!!"
Regarding the Wow Signal: One interesting potential solution to the Fermi Paradox to me is that there are very possibly potential signals/evidence etc. of extra terrestrial life that do exist, or even that we've already found, but which for one reason or another can't meet the threshhold of conclusive scientific certainty.
The thing about objective science, apart from abstract mathematical concepts, is that there is no such thing as "scientific certainty". Rather, it's the case that given the evidence so far accumulated, it becomes reasonable to believe that given the same conditions, the same experiment will continue to yield the same results. However that is by no means a "conclusive certainty". It may be the case that after a hundred billion repetitions, something unexpected will happen.
Point taken, but I guess I was using the term in a more colloquial sense.
@@timf7413 That's certainly fair enough. At the same time, we also need to recognize what it's really saying. It's more a euphemism for a consensus of scientific opinion, and the problem with that, is that while science is one of the best tools we have, a consensus among scientists regarding insufficient scientifically valid material evidence doesn't prove a lack of reasonableness for other sorts of reasoning e.g. critical thinking, where other types of evidence can be given weight.
Certainly, which kind of goes back to my original point that when it comes to things like SETI is always the potential for evidence that simply can't meet the bar that we place (rightly so) on scientific proofs. Perhaps "scientific rigor" would be a better term.
To use one of John's analogies, there are a great many man-made and naturally occurring fires on earth. If we had to analyse them in a vacuum, we (or more to the point someone with the proper knowledge base and training), could often say which were more or less likely to fall into which catagory based on a variety of observable factors, but it would be difficult, if not outright impossible, in many (most?) cases to absolutely rule one of those categories out. As long as the standard of proof for SETI is a repeating phenomenon that 100% cannot have a natural explanation that we know of (not that I'm advocating changing that standard), we're casting a net with a lot of very large gaps.
I don't know about you guys, and if I might just go a bit crazy here but I get the feeling that, the more we (humans as a species) begin to look up into things like space faring, aliens and stuff up there in the clouds (or generally anything we look into) kinda makes these things real bit by bit.
Stuff like flying to the moon wouldn't be possible if a lot of people wouldn't have taken interest to it, sending a Rover over to mars and so on - and Elon Musk is currently on a good way to succeed with his recycling "spaceships".
With that in mind, if the awareness grows towards problems in the stars (like asteroids) we'll be probably working on anti-asteroid plans as well. It kinda feels like we're imagining ourselves into a certain direction and eventually that peak of our imagination will make us shake hands and tentacles with aliens. Kinda like the Law of Attraction, just on a physical basis through action and interest.
And I certainly think that whoever listens and supports this channel does their part in raising awareness to more than what's on the desk.
That shit about fire and radios was lit. Superior observation.
Oh wow, so amped to listen to this one.
As a sci-fi writer it pains me to say this, but I think civilisations are very rare. I really hope I'm wrong about this!
How very rare though? One per galaxy? One per galaxy cluster? ....
@@TheSwordofra Good question, I would guess maybe one per galaxy cluster (if that), otherwise we'd expect to see signs of them, unless there is a great filter which leads to annihilation.
@@eryxian46 Maybe we appeared after some kind of annihilation cycle and the local cluster is just now starting to blossom again with new life. We aren't seeing any big obvious signs, because they are all still primitive or just bacteria. This will only work of course if such an annihilation event is unbelievably thorough and casts its net out to galaxy cluster scales - which seems unlikely. A galaxy scale event I can sorta imagine, but something that destroys all advanced civilizations at the scale of a cluster... that is insane.
I just think space is too vast for any kind of contact, intelligent life seems rare and then to overlap in some way seems very unlikely
Even so that would mean theres an unfathomable amount of them...
19:00 I imagine a technician, newly hired and very excited about his new job in a vast radio complex responsible for contacting new alien civilizations, picks up his first signal and excitedly begins to transmit a reply. The transmission runs for just over a minute when he hears his boss yell, "You fool! That is Earth, populated with an insane species called humans. We don't talk to them."
He was fired and has been working as a dish washer for the last 43 years. Poor kid, he had so much promise!
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This channel is the best. Deep conversations about the cosmos. Life. Is it possible? Could it be? What if it were true? lol I had to go there :)
I could listen to this all day, so many questions need answering by humans.
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I sincerely hope there's someone else out there. After a few more million years it's going to get boring if it's just us
It definitely won’t be boring if one scenario is that they farm us for food 🤣
nothing would ever get boring when we create our own simulations where we are the gods and create life everywhere in all forms, take a vacation and play any type of life form we want.
If there are no other intelligent species out there, we will eventually become them
@@jediwarlock1 lol look at the world today. Everybody inside due to a virus... and people fighting over pronouns of their self-proclaimed gender identity... we ain’t colonizing shit. Hell, we haven’t colonized Antarctica or the deep oceans. Our moon is just a light second away and we don’t have a colony after half a century of making it there. But we’re here theorizing over exoplanets we have no way of ever getting there... looking for more intelligent life in pathetic attempts to get them to come to us so we can mooch off of their technology and intelligence... very lazy and low-expectations for a so called level 1 civilization lol. I’m sure if there’s an ancient advanced space civilization that catches our radio signals and plea for communication, they would immediately see us as weak and inferior. But we have a planet that supports life and has ok climates. They’d just have to disinfect the atmosphere a bit so they can come to colonize. Unless it’s too expensive, they will come take our planet from us. Or maybe they’ll come acting like saviors and take us with them voluntarily and then take us to their labor planets to run experiments with us and study us as they play civilizations with us and some other alien forms they have captured for fun.
For starters I wouldn't broadcast our location, only listen for other's location !
So you're not pro METI?
If there's anyone capable of hearing our messages it's only logical to assume they heard us before we directly said "hi" we've been broadcasting our location inadvertently for decades, unfortunately most of those broadcasts are both radio and television so if anyone out there heard us its any guess what they heard.
Berserkers could truly be a thing. Interstellar MAGA's. Not a pleasant thought.
Event Horizon I’m pro meti, if someone is out there, we need to know, for our humanity’s sake. It’s a risk worth taking, maybe that civilization will teach us how to travel at light speeds and save us from a planet that will inevitably be unsafe to live on one day!
@Tellestus 0 We are on the break of discovering how to 3d print meat from just a blood sample, If there so advance that there capable of faster then light travel and wanted to make us "food" they could just ask for a blood sample and 3d print hhman meat all they want without all the hassle of farming an entire species.Also when was the last time you saw a nuclear explosion...exactly Humans have moved past wars disagreements are no longer fuaght in huge battle grounds as its a huge strain on a countries economy , and if I am being honest I dont expect to ever see another major war between nations again , maybe have a little optimissium instead of jumping on what ever misentopia band wagon the media's advertising.
We can distinguis two tipes of answers to this Question: Optimisitic:1 we are the first in this part of the universe,2 they see us but we don't see them because reasons like they don't want to interfere with our developement or we are like a planetary zoo 3 there were civilizations in the universe before us but it was long ago, 4 They are there but they are too far from us, etc.
Pesimistic: answers like " life is rare and inteligent life is even less likely to emerge"," Civilizations destroy themselves before they can make a contact with another civilization" and so on.
I'd be super dissapointed if the wow signal was just an asteroid passing by and reflecting our own signal back at us.
Could it be possible that the solar wind causes a “bow shock” area that disrupts weak radio signals?
I don't think so, plasma might disrupt EM signals, but we have been doing the radio astronomy for decades now. Radio noise is hard to detect, so hard in fact we would not be able to detect Earth half way from Alpha Centauri, only directional beams could be detected. On the other hand we have sensitive receivers, check the Voyager probe transmitter power.
We're evolving into the advanced life we've been looking for.
judging by the wars and hardship on this planet- we will get what we deserve- a species even more Darwinistic
@@benwalker4660 tbh if god isn't real then morality goes out the window meaning we could be divided into an Evil galactic empire and a good one for all i care. the good one destroys evil one anyway. trippin
@@pseudophp morality has travelled through the ages and surivied then civilizations hierarchy and the expectations of a citizen. As for civilisations in the cosmos that are galactically chivalrous or a menace to our own existence. Were getting into the realms of science fiction. Asimov could have room for both extraterrestrial dispositions in his book Nemesis and that was just on colonies far from Earth.
They're here and they've been here living under our oceans. They're probably shapeshifters living amongst us.
YES!, any where there is water under pressure/ temperature gradients in contact with hydrophilic material you get exclusion zone water and that is a thing that we don't recognize as intelligent.... it is as alien as you can get it is inside us....
There's A LOT of problems with the fermi paradox. First, it assumes near light speed constant expansion. Except, it wouldn't be like that. It would be a gradual spread outward. We'd colonize an area, populate it over thousands of years, and then move on. We also likely will never get large objects near light speed. The spread is not linear but 3 dimensional. This means that rate of spread would significantly slower.
Then there's the desire to spread outward. Why? After a few thousand years, why would you continue to go outward? Inward would be traveling into the unknown just as much as outward would be. Inward would also give the possibility of encountering and communicating with your kind. Sharing knowledge, new technology, cultural innovations, etc. Outward would just be more lifeless rocks and the long hard process of forcing those lifeless rocks to your will.
Then there's the necessary components for life to arise. You must have heavy elements, at least carbon. Except, carbon in significant quantities wouldn't have been around at the start of the universe. The first stars formed around 400 million years after the big bang and were "pure", as in only helium and hydrogen. The next generation of stars could use the trace elements created by the first generation of stars to create sufficient amounts of of metals for planets to form. We, they could form once they died.
Earth is one such planet. The sun is a third generation star and our Earth formed around it. Pretty much all life bearing planets would also be formed around third generation stars. While our star is far from the earliest star, earlier stars would also have far less metals in their planets. This would mean they would be comprised of mostly gas, which is unlikely to give rise to life as we know it.
So, while it's possible that other planets could have evolved intelligent life before our own, it wouldn't likely have been billions of years but instead millions.
Crazy how this is my fav bedtime media. Usually learning about high level subjects would get my mind racing but this is so soothing and I still manage to absorb all of the great discussion.
Well, the solution is really only one. They are everywhere! We are standing at the high wall and we can`t see it.
there are millions maybe even billions of variables that had to happen to earth to create life i think we are very rare
There are millions and billions of chances for those variables to come together again though.
Life is spread out over space AND time really thin.
The chance of us meeting others from the time we left the trees to the time we go extinct is close to zero.
Two intelligent species within travelling distance at the same time? We are like flashing lights spread out over the night sky.
It's not actually that rare. And life could survive through a lot especially humans. Some people think that ancient humans actually watched earth and Saturn come crashing into our solar system we are in now. It still baffles scientist that a bunch of saturns and venuses moons have Zero craters or scarring on the surfaces. How can a billion year old moon never have been hit by an asteroid? A lot of evidence our solar system as it sits right now is only thousands of years old.
@@amberhines01 you people forget the factor time. Time is endless too. Maybe there has been life. Maybe there will be life.
We humans have been arround for barely 200 thousands years
@@hanselmanryanjames it takes a thousand years to travel to the next star. So its all useless info anyway
Japanese scientists discovered ... tentacles.... hmmm :D
Ok here we are at OSU where there are MANY young students. Those students are often playing around with Radio waves. Back when the WOW signal was found a large Radio antenna had just been brought on line - if I remember correctly - ! In those days, us young students were often experimenting with short wave radio at 50 and 200 MHz in the dorm rooms - hence the origin of the WOW signal. It also could have been generated by students working on the project as a fun prank!