Merciful Aura is such a trap in M+. You think it'll help but overall you'll be at like 3% of your total healing if that. You get waaaay more benefit from summer. Dmg increase, lower cds, gain mana and a boost to healing. I've tried both on that boss on an 11 and Summer is much smoother imo.
Holy Paladin: You need to have a healing CD ready, 2 charges of hammer ready, Divine toll ready, Glimmers running on everyone and a winning lottery ticket. Disc priest: Press Radiance, Penitence Mistweaver, Just keep up renewing mist, hit Vivify Shaman: Press Cloud burst totem, spam chain heal. The Paladin bloat is out of control.
You're awesome Zuco!! Just tried this build last night doing a 3 and 4 to get the feel of it. It's awesome, haven't felt this good in awhile healing as a HPal. ❤❤
Just discovered your channel through the TWW alpha vids, but that video is a gem. So much info, tips and knowledge packed here, it's awesome ! Hope you'll do more eventually :)
@@charlieh9820 Yeah, but more control and burst healing for literally everything you do is way more efficient. If you can save your team from using cooldowns, then they'll survive far more.
Love these videos. Also love your talent choices. Always different. In this one - interesting you didn’t go beacon of virtue. Helps with bosses 1,2 and 4 IMO. aswell as really topping ppl on boss 3. Also love the veneration, mercy and divine favor choices. Definitely different. Love it
Good video! I do feel that some Weak Auras would benefit tracking certain abilities like you mentioned, however there is an addon called OmniCD I think that will track all cooldowns for other party members so that way you wouldn't have to ask the Hunter if he had Turtle you would look next to his nameplate and see if he had it available. Just a thought, but keep up the good work
Yep I'm familiar with OmniCD... It's def a good idea... Part of the reason I don't have it is because I hate more stuff clogging up my screen... Even though Omni doesn't use up that much space, it's still less space to work with overall for me...
In a veneration focused build, what do you think about using avenging crusader? It gives one minute wings so more hammer uses and only less Crit during wings as I read it. What do you think?
Idk man I feel like having 5 man Beacon for 8 seconds every 15 seconds with super powered holy shocks and venerations going out is way more healing then 2 beacons. Virtue is just so good.
I really like the veneration play style. What order would you spend your bullions to complement veneration? You still going for Augury of the Primal Flame?
Yeah that's a great question... If you want pure damage for M+, I'm looking at the Fyrakk Rageheart trinket... For pure healing, Blossom of Amirdrassil is really strong. I haven't decided which route to take for my first Bullion.
I am ilvl 499.75 with 2peice of both this season and last season and i cannot get anywhere above 200hps. I dont know what i am doing wrong. I have the standard build off Archon (obviously not the one show here). Im getting very frustrated with my output. I also cant get past the third boss of HOI past a +5.
Early on in a season, pushing content is much harder then you might think. A +5 is like a +15 from the old season, but you're behind on gear because it's a brand new season... So you can help fix that by indexing into more healing. Don't take Blessing of Summer, instead go for Merciful Aura's. In this key I take Beacon of Faith because I have a defensively weak class (the Hunter). This helps me keep him alive big time. However, generally speaking, Beacon of Virtue is MASSIVE for big group healing. It's really strong in every key and if you aren't using it and people are dying, I'd switch to it and see how that helps you. You just pop Virtue whenever 2+ allies start taking big damage and you'll have a good time.
This is why i don't like playing as a healer. It is like manager at nuclear power plant that is about to have a core meltdown and you a re losing ur sh*t to manage to hold on and fighting every second for dear life. This is not fun at all, pure stress.
Does anyone have a macro for casting crusader strike / hammer of wrath at nearby enemy targets? Constantly switching between enemy and friendly targets is the biggest struggle for me on holy pally and I’m not a big fan of cursor macros so I would like to just stay targeted on allies and auto cast at enemies
Simply have the enemy in target and use mouse over macros or Clique for your heals. This is how you can do damage (incl. Hammer of wrath) and heal your group without switching.
All healers can heal a +10, but after trying all of them, hpaly was the ugliest healer to play. Having word of glory do 100k heal with a crit and costing mana and 3 holy power is crazy. I'd rather play my holy priest where Sanctify crits for over 1M healing and i can spot heal properly.
Lol, Sanctify is a Big Holy Word with a Cooldown. Comparing it to WoG is not fair or correct at all. Also, if your WoG is doing 100k crits then you're wearing green gear at low ilvl or something. My WoGs are critting for 340k. I'm comfortably healing +12's now and will keep climbing. If you just don't like Pally then you don't have to play it, lol, but don't say its objectively worse without actually knowing the numbers :)
@@ZucoWoW First of all, i am not saying it is bad, i mostly say it feels bad, an ugly designed spec. Based on your own log at ~500 ilvl (497 to be more exact) you did a max of 260k wog which was in wings and you do 166k crits on average so i guess without wings or trinket if you have any. And, it is fair to compare it to serenity as comparing your log on Algethar with mine on Algethar we did almost the same number of casts, you did 84 i did 85, but, my avg is 340k compared to your 130k average and my avg crit 533k with a max of 855k. The only thing that seems unfair is the healing of the paladin, i mained pally in S1 and S2 and all patches in legion ( i did not play shadowlands or bfa ). Believe me i like the "i am the healer with a big ass shield that stays with the melees" type of gameplay, but it currently has a bad design, you have to work for that 100k something healing while the beast mastery of healers just does 350k on a spell that is always there with the 4 set, and is even almost free of mana. They fucked up the class, making it play around cooldowns like tyr's deliverance instead of having amazing spot healing (like holy priest has now). They distroyed the class identity and it is completely not fun.
@@eptic-c The numbers I gave you for WoG were based on my current ilvl (510), so you're looking at old info there... Again, comparing Holy Words to WoG isn't correct. It doesn't matter if we had a similar number of casts, it's about the design of those abilities and what they are intended to be used for... WoG should be compared more to big Flash Heal then Serenity/Sanctify... Again those are big CD abilities. And the reason you can cast so many of them Is because your tier set bonus is constantly giving you resets on them from Renew... So in a different season without that tier set bonus, you'd be casting a lot less Holy Words... It's just not a fair comparison at all.
healing is sick on holy pala ! just feel like the holy spenders are just soo boring.. compared to holy priest when i use aoe heal is feels like something is going on.. and the dps from holy pala is just sad :/ i cant do anything if party dont need that much healing.. for be they need a buf :D or rework again.. looking out for them in remix! and war within
The just need an un-nerf from season 2. At least a little bit. But holy pal is in an awk position right now because its base toolkit has so much defensive and utility buttons that it makes it difficult to balance. It's why they were literal gods in S2
Fighting the good fight! Thank you for going against the Meta and being successful with it.
Merciful Aura is such a trap in M+. You think it'll help but overall you'll be at like 3% of your total healing if that. You get waaaay more benefit from summer. Dmg increase, lower cds, gain mana and a boost to healing. I've tried both on that boss on an 11 and Summer is much smoother imo.
Holy Paladin: You need to have a healing CD ready, 2 charges of hammer ready, Divine toll ready, Glimmers running on everyone and a winning lottery ticket.
Disc priest: Press Radiance, Penitence
Mistweaver, Just keep up renewing mist, hit Vivify
Shaman: Press Cloud burst totem, spam chain heal.
The Paladin bloat is out of control.
is even worse in tww ptr :D even holy priest does way better with bit less or the same button bloating
Your beacon only doing 2% overhealing on that 3rd boss is actually WILD. Happy to see a fellow paladin pushing through!
You're awesome Zuco!! Just tried this build last night doing a 3 and 4 to get the feel of it. It's awesome, haven't felt this good in awhile healing as a HPal. ❤❤
Let's gooo! That's awesome! :)
Just discovered your channel through the TWW alpha vids, but that video is a gem. So much info, tips and knowledge packed here, it's awesome ! Hope you'll do more eventually :)
You need some gold for transmog bro?
Lol
Thank you for the breakdown! In this pre expansion lull I have been researching which healer I might want to try to main.
I feel like virtue really cleans up a lot of these bosses with the same rotation
I agree I also see what he is taking about depending on self sustainment of certain specs.
@@charlieh9820 Yeah, but more control and burst healing for literally everything you do is way more efficient. If you can save your team from using cooldowns, then they'll survive far more.
Virture for burst portions of aoe and Faith for rot dmg because you dont need that extra kind of burst aoe healing
Love these videos. Also love your talent choices. Always different. In this one - interesting you didn’t go beacon of virtue. Helps with bosses 1,2 and 4 IMO. aswell as really topping ppl on boss 3. Also love the veneration, mercy and divine favor choices. Definitely different. Love it
I found your build last week and I’m loving it on my pala. I have a modified version of it for raids as well. RAID GUIDE/BREAKDOWN WHEN??????
Lmao same, discovered it like 2d ago, it is great !
look at top logs that is all you need, some magical builds from youtube don't exist
Good video! I do feel that some Weak Auras would benefit tracking certain abilities like you mentioned, however there is an addon called OmniCD I think that will track all cooldowns for other party members so that way you wouldn't have to ask the Hunter if he had Turtle you would look next to his nameplate and see if he had it available. Just a thought, but keep up the good work
Yep I'm familiar with OmniCD... It's def a good idea... Part of the reason I don't have it is because I hate more stuff clogging up my screen... Even though Omni doesn't use up that much space, it's still less space to work with overall for me...
In a veneration focused build, what do you think about using avenging crusader? It gives one minute wings so more hammer uses and only less Crit during wings as I read it. What do you think?
I healed for 16 years.... and went ret this year..... You think I should go full force with Holy Pally ??
Absolutely :)
Idk man I feel like having 5 man Beacon for 8 seconds every 15 seconds with super powered holy shocks and venerations going out is way more healing then 2 beacons. Virtue is just so good.
It blows through mana
I really like the veneration play style. What order would you spend your bullions to complement veneration? You still going for Augury of the Primal Flame?
Yeah that's a great question... If you want pure damage for M+, I'm looking at the Fyrakk Rageheart trinket... For pure healing, Blossom of Amirdrassil is really strong. I haven't decided which route to take for my first Bullion.
@@ZucoWoWit’s Crazy that you recommend trinkets that are garbage in the eye of wowhead 😄
Really confused rn
@@Temaire01 Because I tested them on the PTR before this patch went live and they worked very well. They continue to work well on live servers.
People fell into this mindset that hpal is garbage rn. Its not that bad, it could use some tweaking but honestly they can pump and have good utility.
I have to try your build… I’ve been struggling healing on my pally
I am ilvl 499.75 with 2peice of both this season and last season and i cannot get anywhere above 200hps. I dont know what i am doing wrong. I have the standard build off Archon (obviously not the one show here). Im getting very frustrated with my output. I also cant get past the third boss of HOI past a +5.
Early on in a season, pushing content is much harder then you might think. A +5 is like a +15 from the old season, but you're behind on gear because it's a brand new season...
So you can help fix that by indexing into more healing. Don't take Blessing of Summer, instead go for Merciful Aura's.
In this key I take Beacon of Faith because I have a defensively weak class (the Hunter). This helps me keep him alive big time.
However, generally speaking, Beacon of Virtue is MASSIVE for big group healing. It's really strong in every key and if you aren't using it and people are dying, I'd switch to it and see how that helps you. You just pop Virtue whenever 2+ allies start taking big damage and you'll have a good time.
do you enjoy resto shaman more or veneration holy paladin?
Oh man, I honestly don't know... I really love them both... Right now I'd say the Veneration play style is more fun for me for sure! :)
Hows Frank doing in S4?
He's fine... :)
This is why i don't like playing as a healer. It is like manager at nuclear power plant that is about to have a core meltdown and you a re losing ur sh*t to manage to hold on and fighting every second for dear life. This is not fun at all, pure stress.
That's exactly why I love it! Save the nuclear meltdown from happening!! :)
Here’s my question though when you do get the tier set what are you going to switch off to have prism
There's my talent tree (Spec side only). www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/paladin/holy/DAAAPVVQVERFVBRRERVEDRFB
@@ZucoWoW thank you so much for responding. Also I switched to this build and just ran a 5 to try it out. It was amazing super easy to heal. Thank you
Does anyone have a macro for casting crusader strike / hammer of wrath at nearby enemy targets? Constantly switching between enemy and friendly targets is the biggest struggle for me on holy pally and I’m not a big fan of cursor macros so I would like to just stay targeted on allies and auto cast at enemies
Simply have the enemy in target and use mouse over macros or Clique for your heals. This is how you can do damage (incl. Hammer of wrath) and heal your group without switching.
Sorry, read it to late that you dont like mouse over. But i would like to encourage you to try. It will change everything
#showtooltip Crusader Strike
/cast [@target,harm] crusader strike;
/stopmacro [harm]
/targetenemy
/cast crusader strike
/targetlasttarget
/startattack
No. Use healbot or clique or vuhdo
All healers can heal a +10, but after trying all of them, hpaly was the ugliest healer to play. Having word of glory do 100k heal with a crit and costing mana and 3 holy power is crazy. I'd rather play my holy priest where Sanctify crits for over 1M healing and i can spot heal properly.
Lol, Sanctify is a Big Holy Word with a Cooldown. Comparing it to WoG is not fair or correct at all.
Also, if your WoG is doing 100k crits then you're wearing green gear at low ilvl or something. My WoGs are critting for 340k.
I'm comfortably healing +12's now and will keep climbing. If you just don't like Pally then you don't have to play it, lol, but don't say its objectively worse without actually knowing the numbers :)
@@ZucoWoW First of all, i am not saying it is bad, i mostly say it feels bad, an ugly designed spec.
Based on your own log at ~500 ilvl (497 to be more exact) you did a max of 260k wog which was in wings and you do 166k crits on average so i guess without wings or trinket if you have any.
And, it is fair to compare it to serenity as comparing your log on Algethar with mine on Algethar we did almost the same number of casts, you did 84 i did 85, but, my avg is 340k compared to your 130k average and my avg crit 533k with a max of 855k.
The only thing that seems unfair is the healing of the paladin, i mained pally in S1 and S2 and all patches in legion ( i did not play shadowlands or bfa ). Believe me i like the "i am the healer with a big ass shield that stays with the melees" type of gameplay, but it currently has a bad design, you have to work for that 100k something healing while the beast mastery of healers just does 350k on a spell that is always there with the 4 set, and is even almost free of mana. They fucked up the class, making it play around cooldowns like tyr's deliverance instead of having amazing spot healing (like holy priest has now). They distroyed the class identity and it is completely not fun.
@@eptic-c The numbers I gave you for WoG were based on my current ilvl (510), so you're looking at old info there...
Again, comparing Holy Words to WoG isn't correct. It doesn't matter if we had a similar number of casts, it's about the design of those abilities and what they are intended to be used for... WoG should be compared more to big Flash Heal then Serenity/Sanctify... Again those are big CD abilities. And the reason you can cast so many of them Is because your tier set bonus is constantly giving you resets on them from Renew... So in a different season without that tier set bonus, you'd be casting a lot less Holy Words... It's just not a fair comparison at all.
healing is sick on holy pala ! just feel like the holy spenders are just soo boring.. compared to holy priest when i use aoe heal is feels like something is going on.. and the dps from holy pala is just sad :/ i cant do anything if party dont need that much healing.. for be they need a buf :D or rework again.. looking out for them in remix! and war within
The just need an un-nerf from season 2. At least a little bit. But holy pal is in an awk position right now because its base toolkit has so much defensive and utility buttons that it makes it difficult to balance. It's why they were literal gods in S2
@@zak8991 soo true _D
+10 and blasting, k. I mean holy was alway fine until 25+ (so now around 12--14 keys)... Have fun on later keys xd
solid comment, brings a ton to the conversation
@@ribs7186 they're not wrong tho, pally's aren't blasting $hit where it matters
@@fastydave it does fine. Unless you’re pushing the top % of keys where meta maters and it cuts out 90% of classes. Hpal can blast yes
i can 1 heal a full raid by my self not sure why you have so much probems healing withith your other spells
Rofl... Best comment of the day, thank you 🤣