Meet the Cimbrians of Cansiglio | Italia Slow Tour
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- Опубліковано 27 лис 2016
- [ ENG ] Meet the Cimbrian, an Italian ethnical minority just like the Ladins, the Germanophiles and the Walzers. They are found in three different locations of Veneto: in Asiago, on the Lessini mountains and here in Cansiglio. They have preserved a part of their culture, their language and their traditions. But why does the Cimbrian identity still persist?
[ ITA ] Vi presentiamo i Cimbri, una minoranza etnica italiana come i Ladini, i Germanofoni e i Walser. Si trovano in tre diverse località del Veneto: ad Asiago, sui monti Lessini e qui nel Cansiglio. Hanno preservato una parte della loro cultura, della loro lingua e delle loro tradizioni. Ma perché l'identità cimbra persiste ancora?
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bellissimo. saluti dal Brasile
Nei monti Lessini di Verona parlano ancora il cimbro.
Sorry but there are so many fallacies.. Know your history - the Cimbrians originates from what is present-day Vendsyssel, Denmark (the Cimbrian peninsula is the ancient Latin name for Jutland) not Germany! - And we are damn proud of it.
I'm certain that I don't want to be rude, but obviously, you don't know the least bit of history here:
1. It's an old misconception circling around the name "Cimbri", since it got confused with the ancient Germanic tribe, that marched south roughly around the year 120 BC alongside the Teutones and other small fractions (Ambrones).
Even if we try to ignore for a brief moment the Cimbri and Teutones were defeated by the Romans, it needs a lot of speculative imagination, considering the Cimbri settled there and survived under the protection of isolation throughout just the first millennium: Romans > Goths > Langobardi > Franks/Baiovari. The only people in Europe that survived and kept their language over millennia were the Basque people, but they were far more individuals and covered much more land.
Speaking for the ancient history, there simply was no Denmark, neither was there a Germany! I might go a step further: Up to the mid of the first millennium, it is more likely those tribes of the Jutlandic peninsula (Eudsosii/Jutes, Angli, Ambrones etc.) weren't even North Germanic but rather part of the Ingvaeonic group, before the Dani came from modern Sjælland. Another problem, the Cimbri even wouldn't have called themselves Cimbri (Kimbri), but more likely Proto-Germanic "himbrôz". (the "himbra-" stem is still alive in Himmerland resp. hist. Himmersyssel from Old Danish "Himbresysæl"). The Cimbrian people today don't call themselves "Himbarn"!
2. Looking closely enough one cannot ignore the very fact, that the Cimbrian language belongs to the High German continuum. It's needless to bring up the second sound shift, just a brief comparison of (p > p/f / t > z, s / k > ch) Faffo, harfa / ich, machan / hoas, Bassar (Cimbrian from the Sette Comuni) is enough to recognize, that this language came to existence after the 2. sound shift took place.
There's an almost similar case with the southern Walser people. All this scattered isolated islands trace to archaic forms of Bavarian and Alemannic and furthermore show features reaching back to the late Old High German period. Some - including myself - even assume a faint influence of Langobardic, a dialect that otherwise went extinct before 1000.
If you look up the word "zimbar" in Old High German it means "wood" (etym. timber), it is possible those people called themselves timbermen (carpenters).
@Ray Rigoni Asiago or Sleghe as the Cimbri call it, I'm sure it's not impossible you will find a trace of Cimbrian in your family :-)
I know i am a bit late but I have to add that it is not possible in the slightest that cimbrian comes from denmark.
The only thing, which I can't debate because I lack the deeper knowledge on this topic, that could have happened is that original cimbrian did in fact come from denmark and then went nearly extinct, just to be mixed with old high german. However, to me that would be like saying russian is a germanic language similar to todays german. While true in the way that both languages originated from the same language family (indo-european) it is still not right to compare them on that basis.
Trying to educate people when you have no clue...
@@thurianwanderer You know your history. I was prompted to explain the same until I read your comment. Thank you for sparing me the trouble/time of having to type that up.
The Teutones (Þeuðanōz) and Cimbri (Himbrôz) were probably originally early North Sea Germanic aka Ingvaeonic tribes. Which is closely related, but distinct from Danish aka East Norse aka North Germanic.