I remember seeing a documentary about this years ago, which included an extensive interview with 1 of the original investigators. This thing, that really stuck with me, was, how he explained about those 120 seconds, and how when all was factored in, it was really only 15 seconds tops. And then the real stunner. For the plane, that was hit from the side (I think, it was the Connie), the other plane could only be seen from the captain's side. However, they found out, that those 15 seconds to see, recognize and react were only available, if the captain's chair was in the standard position. When they adjusted the chair to the position, the captain used, he couldnt see the plane at any point, coz for those entire 15 seconds, the plane would be blocked from sight by the window spacers. They never stood a chance.
It occurred to me that there must inevitably have passengers, probably on both planes, who will have seen the other plane approaching in the final seconds.
Sorry if I missed something... at 2:35 the TWA is refused 21,000 because the United was already at that altitude... so they authorize "1000 on top," which results in them settling on... the 21,000 they were just denied. Huh??
I am late but it’s fine, so what they meant is: their filed flight plan was on instrument flight rule (IFR), they were denied 21k because it is the controller’s responsibility to keep separation. After requesting 1k on top, they were sent to Visual Flight Rule (VFR) which meant It was the pilot’s responsibility to prevent separation.
Amen to that. I have watched many aviation videos, and have learned that the tribulations of folks in the past have made aviation much safer. God bless the souls that died to make modern flying safe.
I'm surprised it was standard for them to fly at *exactly* a multiple of 1000 feet, instead of say 21000 feet +/- a random value between 25ft and 100ft. This would make it much more likely that the aircraft would go above/below each other. They crashed because they were both maintaining an exact multiple of a 1000ft value. I think they still do this today, and i don't really understand why. There's so much vertical space to play with.
I enjoyed your version of this accident very much. But there is always a chance of disaster, as we all know since TCAS and before. Humans aren’t flawless. I appreciate the improvements in commercial aviation.
Like you say it was not organized. The conclution of the report was: get it organized, make ONE institution the gov body of everything that has to do with civil aviation.
Awesome video yet again! These are seriously well made videos. I was so excited to get the notification. I don't think I've read much about this crash before, but the vid was perfect at explaining it.
Correction: thunderheads are cumulonimbus clouds, cumulus clouds are the Fairweather puffy clouds. However, when there is instability in the air, cumulus clouds do build up into cumulonimbus clouds that tower up into the tens of thousands of feet into the stratosphere, right into the flight patterns of aircraft.
The only positives that have come out of the many, many tragic aircraft crashes and the many, many thousands of lives lost is that, we now live in an age where improvements have been made to aircraft safety, so you are actually more likely to lose your life by your trousers than you are to lose it by flying on an aircraft.
Just heard a press release from United Airlines where they said that from now on, they will hire pilots based only on women and African Americans NOT on how proficient the pilots are! Thank God there is Delta!!
PS. You could think about sometimes adding a few of the important things you say in text on screen also. Especially things like names and numbers, etc. So just as an example when you show the planes in the beginning you could show text also showing like the captains name, plane model, date etc. It’s easier to get into the facts and story when you get it both as audio and text on screen. Not sure how well I am explaining this but I think you understand.
Technical aesthetic. Description of the events as they unfold interspersed with recreations of the communications is repetitive information and unnecessary. Actual communications would be relevant for illustration but without them, the dramatization is just kind of awkward. Good, informative vid otherwise.
Very. His own voice modulated to the reenactments are even worse. I think I'll block this channel... can't hold a guy's accent against him just doesn't work for me. Plus there's inaccuracies.
I remember seeing a documentary about this years ago, which included an extensive interview with 1 of the original investigators. This thing, that really stuck with me, was, how he explained about those 120 seconds, and how when all was factored in, it was really only 15 seconds tops. And then the real stunner. For the plane, that was hit from the side (I think, it was the Connie), the other plane could only be seen from the captain's side. However, they found out, that those 15 seconds to see, recognize and react were only available, if the captain's chair was in the standard position. When they adjusted the chair to the position, the captain used, he couldnt see the plane at any point, coz for those entire 15 seconds, the plane would be blocked from sight by the window spacers. They never stood a chance.
It occurred to me that there must inevitably have passengers, probably on both planes, who will have seen the other plane approaching in the final seconds.
Also, the fact that you do a voice over for the cvr with little graphics to let you know who's speaking is cool af
2 beautiful planes 😞 I love this channel cheers from Philadelphia my friend
Sorry if I missed something... at 2:35 the TWA is refused 21,000 because the United was already at that altitude... so they authorize "1000 on top," which results in them settling on... the 21,000 they were just denied. Huh??
Doesn't make sense to me either. They immediately did the thing that ATC told them they couldn't do.
I am late but it’s fine, so what they meant is: their filed flight plan was on instrument flight rule (IFR), they were denied 21k because it is the controller’s responsibility to keep separation. After requesting 1k on top, they were sent to Visual Flight Rule (VFR) which meant It was the pilot’s responsibility to prevent separation.
We owe much of the safety of air travel today to the lives lost in the past.
Amen to that. I have watched many aviation videos, and have learned that the tribulations of folks in the past have made aviation much safer. God bless the souls that died to make modern flying safe.
2 planes colliding in the middle of nowhere seems so improbable
It was partly cloudy and each plane flying through the gaps in the clouds at different angles couldn't see each other before colliding.
I'm surprised it was standard for them to fly at *exactly* a multiple of 1000 feet, instead of say 21000 feet +/- a random value between 25ft and 100ft. This would make it much more likely that the aircraft would go above/below each other. They crashed because they were both maintaining an exact multiple of a 1000ft value. I think they still do this today, and i don't really understand why. There's so much vertical space to play with.
Eisehower sure did a lot of infrastructure investments.
I enjoyed your version of this accident very much.
But there is always a chance of disaster, as we all know since TCAS and before.
Humans aren’t flawless.
I appreciate the improvements in commercial aviation.
I just binged all your videos. They are AMAZING!!! Can't wait for the next one.
This guy sounds like he knows the industry
My grandmother called them thunderheads lol. I remember as a little kid sitting on her front porch.
Like you say it was not organized. The conclution of the report was: get it organized, make ONE institution the gov body of everything that has to do with civil aviation.
Awesome video yet again! These are seriously well made videos. I was so excited to get the notification. I don't think I've read much about this crash before, but the vid was perfect at explaining it.
Correction: thunderheads are cumulonimbus clouds, cumulus clouds are the Fairweather puffy clouds. However, when there is instability in the air, cumulus clouds do build up into cumulonimbus clouds that tower up into the tens of thousands of feet into the stratosphere, right into the flight patterns of aircraft.
Excellent report.
"Safety Regulations are Written in BLOOD!"
The only positives that have come out of the many, many tragic aircraft crashes and the many, many thousands of lives lost is that, we now live in an age where improvements have been made to aircraft safety, so you are actually more likely to lose your life by your trousers than you are to lose it by flying on an aircraft.
Just heard a press release from United Airlines where they said that from now on, they will hire pilots based only on women and African Americans NOT on how proficient the pilots are!
Thank God there is Delta!!
Have you done a video on the mid-air Collision back in the 1990s between the DHL cargo plane in the Russian passenger plane
Keep em coming! 👏🏻😊
PS. You could think about sometimes adding a few of the important things you say in text on screen also. Especially things like names and numbers, etc. So just as an example when you show the planes in the beginning you could show text also showing like the captains name, plane model, date etc. It’s easier to get into the facts and story when you get it both as audio and text on screen. Not sure how well I am explaining this but I think you understand.
Thanks! Great suggestions :)
elite investigation
Still can't believe they didn't use vertical separation back then.
Like two outfielders running for the same fly ball. Each pilot wanted to give his passengers a view of the Grand Canyon.
That's a picture of chemtrails not contrails at 7.27
What an unfortunate chance that this happened
Did this prevent the collision over New York.........
It was like Russian roulette back then. Just keep an eye out for traffic? Easier said than done in 3-dimensions.
y tcas no screaming climb descent
Planes didn't have tcas back then
7:25
Ricky Ponting
The NTSB didn't even exist until 1967. It was the CAB investigating at that time. Fail.
Technical aesthetic. Description of the events as they unfold interspersed with recreations of the communications is repetitive information and unnecessary. Actual communications would be relevant for illustration but without them, the dramatization is just kind of awkward. Good, informative vid otherwise.
omg that narrator's voice... so annoying....
Very. His own voice modulated to the reenactments are even worse. I think I'll block this channel... can't hold a guy's accent against him just doesn't work for me. Plus there's inaccuracies.
@@etherealrose2139 bro it's not liek there is much he can do with his accent
@@etherealrose2139 it's not his voice in the reenactments