2019 J24 Worlds, Crazy Windward Mark Rounding!!
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- 2019 J24 World Championships, Crazy first windward mark rounding
Breeze was kicking a steady 10-14 knts and the middle of the fleet all got to the mark at the same time. After at least a mile long leg carnage insued.
😯 Now, if there are any questions out there, well, THIS is a sailing video! Talk about ‘first person’! I could feel myself right up on deck standing with the bowman, doing my best not to get in his way! ! Talk about exciting… Heck, my heart’s still pounding! Thanks for doing this!
if you like *REAL* sailing videos check out Erik Aanderaa s channel. the storm 10 sail is nice to begin with..
I bet the protest committee room was interesting that evening. There were some there that resembled kamikaze more than yachts.
I used to race Sharks in LORC and I have experienced that more than once at the windward mark. Looks like there was a fair bit of paint sharing going in.
I would have bailed out of that starboard tack at the beginning of the video knowing you weren't going to lay the line better to duck sooner rather than later...I saw about 8-10 legit port starboard protests that I doubt will be heard
So many beers owed..
Not a J24 sailor but absolutely; that's what separates middle of the pack with the top 25%
I think in cases like that, the J24 fleet uses a 20% penalty. Like that class has evolved to the point where the top 50 boats are all getting to the marks at the same time. They know and accept each corner is going to be a shit show. Rather than spending hours in the room, 20% scoring penalties are handed out to boats that fouled others.
This I am sure makes the racing that much more aggressive….knowing that if you foul you don’t have to spin circles and won’t get DSQ’d….take the points and keep on going.
The penalty of coming in below the lay line. The price of going high is seconds. The cost of low is minutes.
I've learned that the hard way, Barry.
Looks like an Opti regatta lol
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LOL
How many protests from the boats that didn't under-stand the windward mark while on starboard tack? Every port-tack boat barging through the fleet should be disqualified.
226 views and no comments? Let me be the first:
What an absolute f-ng shitshow!! You guys were lucky to not end up as one of those 3 boats that became one with the mark lol. I couldn't tell from the angle if you guys couldn't lay because of having to head off to avoid #27 or there was just too much gas from windward boats. Crazy traffic.....
Too much gas... we should've tacked out earlier but we were laying it for a while on approach
"Watching a sailing race is like watching the grass grow". Not if you're on the boat. My racing days were on a 16' Windmill - planing hull two man main & jib light boat with no spinnaker or trapeze, just a whisker pole and hiking straps. A memorable sequence in Clear Lake Texas: "Ready about" "Ready" "Helms Alee" "Woops" (Missed the hiking straps) (Sploosh) (Crew fell overboard) (Skipper hanging over the rapidly rising high side) (boat capsizes) ... Great fun!
I've heard that Windmills are great boats, very similar to the Snipe, yes?
@@Edyth_Hedd Yes, my wife & I enjoyed the Windmill a lot. The Windmill and Snipe are the same 15.5' length, but the Snipe weighs almost twice as much. The Windmill planes readily, not sure about the Snipe. The Windmill was originally designed to be built from two sheets of plywood, but was later all fiberglass. Two people can pick up a Windmill at 198 lb, but probably not a Snipe. I don't recall many Snipes here in the Houston area, but there was an active Windmill fleet some years back on Clear Lake and Galveston Bay, along with Lasers, Sunfish, Lidos, 470s, Flying Scots. A lot of J24s raced nearby on Galveston Bay.
Windmills are a great way to go for a swim!
Built one years ago...Lightning stalker!
Epic, so few people ever get to see racing this close. I was waiting for the T-Bone at any second.
This is an example of why you need to know fiberglass and Gel-Kote repair if you race. All contact appeared to be minor “love taps” with perhaps only cosmetic damage (except for egos) not worth protesting or engaging in confrontation post race at the bar 🌞🏴☠️
Definitely worth protesting, bad sailing should not be rewarded and penalties discourage it
Should I be concerned that I recognize boats from my home fleet in this melee?
"I'm in danger"
YES
Oh sounds just like home yelling starboard, protesting, sitting on the bow holding on for deer life.
Without even seeing the boats, I could’ve told you these were J24’s. Brings back a lot of great memories.
"You're not racing unless you're trading paint"
Sir this is a sailing competition!
This is an awesome vid thanks. It’s why I sail cats...y’all are crazy.
After watching your video, now I know why I gave up racing on Wednesday nights and Friday nights, too many close ones on my J 22, " Aqua Sleigh". Cheers !
As someone who has never raced this looks like pure chaos. But I'd imagine it happens every race
It's usually hectic, especially in close fleets, but there was also a lot of blatant fouls that shouldn't of happened shown
It’s usually not that hectic where I’m from
I have raced at the J24 Worlds before. This is normal. Short windward/leeward courses + one design boats going about the same speed + large fleets = chaos, almost by definition. You are almost never going to get to a mark with no other boats around, and sometimes it is dozens. The protest room stays busy during Worlds.
This is more chaotic than the typical regatta:
* very small (24' long) boats in choppy seas - the waves push the boats around, making helm (steering) and sail trim challenging
* very competitive one design fleet (J/24), so most of the sailors are highly skilled or imagine themselves to be
* large fleet - lots of boats bunched together
The vast majority of regattas are handicapped "beercan" races with a heterogeneous fleet of boats. Starts can be crowded at times, but once you get past the start there is usually plenty of space between boats. Beercan racers are usually less confident and usually won't crowd other boats. Bashing into that boat over there also means bashing into your own boat.
woooooooo!! Love the pandemonium of a mark rounding!!
Rule 18.3!
Trying to join the starboard tack parade to the first windward mark--always a problem in a big fleet.
БОСИКОМ ПО ЛОДКЕ В ГОНКЕ!?
Going by the acceptance of contact in some comments can see why people leave racing....
Classic J24s
There's a man named Jeff who would describe this as "Pandelarium"
My racing days started with my father on a Wayfarer and from there I went to thistles lightenings and ensigns a few dragons and R boats too old sailors on the Great Lakes will know what I’m talking about went to quite a few nationals with one championship a few years later I got my 6 pack then 100 ton, then masters once it’s in your blood it never leaves you might not participate but you can enjoy the raw energy and excitement I remember the around the islands race on Lake Erie we had the right of way and a boat (Cal 25) tried to duck us didn’t quite work for them my dad was at the helm and we knocked their outboard off not on purpose said my dad I still don’t believe him he was a very competitive SOB lol
Where are the life jackets?
Down below 😂
Not ideal ; over starboard right through the field !
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Sailing on till there is enough room is maybe better ; less chance on a collision.
Besides that it will cost you a lot of speed and places in the field.
Best start ; over starboard crossing the field ( right in front) , tracking right on top of the field , and try to maintain your position till the next buoy 👍
Ah the irony of missing the mark by 2 boat lengths to leeward being buried at the back of the fleet and still yelling starboard and protest at a bunch of people. Next time find some clear air and concentrate on hitting the layline and getting a clean hoist...
As usual boats luffing up that were never going to make the mark!!!!!!!!
Very enjoyable viewing!
That looked Intense, But super fun.
Being polite and safe must have cost 30 places.
That was stressful
Ew, looks like a case of bad gas. Chute went up clean…
Bad "gas"? Is that the new expression for bad air?
my favorite part is @2:47!
How much fun. A few holes in the boat.
They must be crazy
At 2:56 - party wristband lol
Good work bow guy
Real cool
That got my heart beating!
You guys did good. Avoided other boats that had rights and got into the clear (sort of). I race a Martin 242 and fully appreciate how much fun these boats are. Keep racing...getting better...and having fun with it. Ps....ignore the negatives on here. They're not out there like we are.
"I race a Martin 242"
But have you taken your wife and 2 teenage nephews cruising for a week? An unusual experience.
@@davemacmurchie6982 No previous owners camped all summer with 3 kids. Now it's a family boat. Father, bother, nephew (14), and myself. Youngest crew member quite often helms the boat. He was a little freaked at first, but he's getting better. We have lots of wind here. Outflow in the morning's, and inflow in the afternoons. Usually 15 to 25 knots. Racing on the Martin is usuallyy a matter of survival. We do well though. There have been many days we wish we could reef.
@@MrKjelsvik "we wish we could reef."
My partner and I often reefed and it paid off until we got to the weather mark, at which time shaking out the reef lost us everything we had gained on the weather leg.
I once asked one of the top guys at what wind strength he did reef, and he replied that he'd never reefed, but never sailed in more than 40 kts, so couldn't say. His advice was just to wind in the backstay all you could, then another couple of feet and hang on. As you say, survival!
@@davemacmurchie6982 Funny thing about the Martin...the backstay is useless. As a single class, no reefing allowed. I would like to see the reg's change to allow a full batten main. I have that on my 18' catamaran. Love it. Been in 45knt +, and not a problem. Well, some, but tied the jib to the mast and shaped the main "S". Head to wind and ride it out. I like to say the Martin is 24', but sails like 12' dinghy. It's kind of true.
Ps. Shake the reef before rounding. Way easier upwind. Actually, way before the windward, as there is much else going on setting spinnaker, etc.
brilliant video
That was crazy.
Carnage
I’m surprised at the size of the sailboats they’re smaller than I expected for raising
Intense back-of-the-pack action.....stbd!....Protest!
Lesson learned? Set up for the rounding early. Outcome was obvious WAY ahead the disastrous port tack!
people in the comments thinking boats on port have no right to exist
Good work!!
Thank you! Cheers!
Most miserable boat to crew on
Yeah, they got hosed at the mark. Could have made it without ducking three port tackers.
N’aide fête on a boat. Ridiculous
Omg thats crazy
i remember evenings like this when i raced
I don’t understand why the spinnakers are going up so slowly no offence. I sail a 420 dinghy and we aim to have the spinnaker flying within two boat lengths of the mark.
@@ultraclipz3230 yep! We have a long offset leg to stretch the fleet going around the top mark. Also gives time to set for the downwind leg. Our spinnaker was up within about a boatlength of that yellow mark. Also also 420 spinnakers are tiny in comparison lol
@@OUTRAGEOUSSAILING fair enough i have no experience on bigger boats yet. 420 spinny is only like 9m2. Looks like great competitive sailing
Awesome vid. Great image quality. what camera did you use?
Thanks! I believe it was a GoPro Hero 10
Great 🙂
where was this?
Miami!
It is illegal to hold the rigging like that. The Port tackers are stupid and the Early collision should have been a retirement. Shame on you all!
Temporarily holding onto the rigging is fine, as in the case of using a human pole. Only breaking a rule when doing that to facilitate rolling the boat or holding the rigging for an extended period of time.
@@OUTRAGEOUSSAILING Comments person wanted you to fall overboard and hence improve the video. I did think a World's would be better behaved, but at a World's people get desperate ...
He didn't hit you, he didn't bump you, he didn't nudge you, he RUBBED you. and rubbin' son, is racin'
If almost every boat on the port tack in this video is not disqualified, this rule meant nothing.