Albatross, Black Magic Woman, Man of the World: singles written by Peter Green I never heard mentioned in this week’s videos. In addition to Oh Well and The Green Manalishi, these classic songs definitely warrant a higher ranking for Peter Green.
There'd be no Fleetwood Mac without Peter Green, Mick & John have been the rhythm section since day 1, and Buckingham/Nicks shot new blood into the band. All that said, Christine Mcvie is my #1 favorite member. Her voice, songs, and the fact that she broke the band's boys club barrier. She's still underrated in the ranks of women in rock but she's a titan in my eyes.
My list : 16. Bob Brunning 15. Dave Mason 14. Billy Burnette 13. Rick Vito 12. Bekka Bramlett 11. Dave Walker 10. Bob Weston 9. Jeremy Spencer 8. Bob Welch 7. Peter Green 6. John McVie 5. Mick Fleetwood 4. Stevie Nicks 3. Danny Kirwan 2. Christine McVie 1. Lindsey Buckingham
Joe asked how there was a Fleetwood Mac before McVie was in the band. Well... Peter Green played with John Mayall after Clapton left, and Fleetwood and McVie were Mayall's rhythm section. Green left Mayall to lead his own band and was hoping to get Fleetwood and McVie to join him. He even named the band after them to sell them on it. Fleetwood quit Mayall and joined Green, but McVie liked the steady pay of the more established gig. but then he changed his mind.
I think Buckingham is an obvious top pick because, as Joe said, the direction of the band changed with his presence. But, I would also say that Stevie Nicks had as much an influence. I find it strange that Jason that Dreams is his favourite Mac song but doesn't seem to credit Nicks here. I would argue that her songwriting has way more depth, complexity and character than McVie's. Though Christine's songs are solid, whether it's Say You Love Me, You Make Loving Fun, Think About Me, Little Lies, they're all very similar lyrically. Here is where I would take issue with both Joe and Jason on Nicks' post-Rumours output. To me Sara, Beautiful Child, Sisters of the Moon and Storms are all stunning. Her emotive and heartfelt lyrics complement the varied melodic feel of each of the songs compared to McVie's catchy but ultimately shallow songs. There's no doubt that without Buckingham and Nicks, Fleetwood Mac would be a fairly run-of-the-mill band rather than a great one. Both their personalities drove the band in a new exciting direction. Reflecting on the band, listening to side one of Tusk, you have the great arrangement of McVie's Over and Over, the guitar work of Buckingham elevating her Think About Me, his eccentric and energetic The Ledge, followed by Nicks' soulful Sara. This diversity is what made the band so interesting. Think also of side two of Tusk where Buckingham and Nicks' compositions dominate are all much more adventurous than anything McVie ever did (unless it was Buckingham's producing/arranging influence) Nicks should definitely be number 2 to Buckingham. They came as a complete package.
As the most casual of casual Fleetwood Mac fans … I’m going with Stevie Nicks - style icon! And that voice! This sums up my sentiments .. thank you to the band Clutch: “I can tell you precisely Where this all began Salem, Massachusetts And I was hardly a man I fell madly in love with Some brand of Stevie Nicks Oh, I begged and I pleaded Like a fiend for a fix”
I’m so happy too!! Now that I’ve seen the lists, I predicted that at least one out of the three of them would have Christine McVie at the very top #1 spot .. and I was correct, Jason did. Right on!! 👍
I may be in the minority, but i feel Behind The Mask is an underrated album, and Time shined because of Christine McVie. While not super crazy about Billy Burnette, Rick Vito is a super soulful and excellent slide guitarist. There is a reason why Mick still kept him to lead his Mick Fleetwood blues band.
Lindsey Buckingham for sure. The man is doing about 3 jobs in that band. Songwriter. Guitarist. Arranger. And at times co producing. He is one of the most underrated guitar players. Huge fan.
I think Christine McVie’s songs were the most emotive and poignant and she was the most gifted at writing melodies. Shame she didn’t make an album with her Beach boyfriend of the late 70s - Dennis Wilson also wrote very heartfelt music.
I had a bit of a chuckle when Joe said Billy Burnette was not a rock star name. Billy is the son of Dorsey Burnette and nephew of Johnny Burnette who led the rockabilly / early Rock and Roll band, " The Rock and Roll Trio/ The Burnette Brothers and who are in the Rockabully Hall of Fame. And Bekka Bramlette is the daughter of two other famous musicians Delaney and Bonnie Bramlette who played with Eric Clapton amongst others in the very early 70s. also both Billy and Bekka recorded some albums together outside of Fleetwood Mac.
Ok, I think Stevie’s contributions to Tusk are being undersold. Although I’m not the biggest fan of Sara (I much prefer the single edit to the tedious album cut) I think the other songs are quite solid, and I rank Sisters Of The Moon and Angel among her best material. About Jeremy Spencer’s fate, it happened some time in 1970 when the band were about to tour America. They entered the airport in (I think) LA and were constantly mugged by people with folders, this particular bunch being members of the Children Of God cult. Being known as particularly fickle-minded, Jeremy apparently got reeled in near a bookstand when he told the other members he was gonna get some cigarettes (if I’m not mistaken). Some time later they were able to track him down and he was basically kidnapped by some young recrutes of this rather dubious cult which gained notoriety because of sexual and physical (child) abuse and mind control. And Bob Weston got fired in 1974 because he slept with Mick’s wife (oh, the irony…).
Just spit-balling here and my opinion is shaped largely by my seeing Fleetwood Mac as one of the best guitar bands in rock music, but I think this is how I'd rank them 1) Peter Green: he started and named the band and his reputation as one of the best guitarists and singers to emerge from the British Blues boom rests on what he did with Fleetwood Mac. Albatross, Man Of the World, Oh Well, and Green Manalishi are four of their best songs and he wrote them all. 2) Danny Kirwan: when he joined the band they really became Fleetwood Mac. As great as Peter's lead guitar work was, Danny raised the intensity by playing with more feel. He might have had the best vibrato in the rock guitar field. After Green left, he co-lead them through three albums transitioning them further from blues to pop-rock. His highlights over those albums include Station Man, Jewel-Eyed Judy, Sands Of Time, The Sunny Side Of Heaven, and Dust. 3) Lindsey Buckingham: He's not in the same league as Peter and Danny in electric lead guitar playing but his acoustic playing is better and gave the band more range and he was a great arranger for his own songs and for Stevie's. He still fit in well as far as being right for the SoCal style the band had been adopting on the earlier, post-Green albums. 4) Mick Fleetwood: Not only is the band named after him and McVie but he's been with them through the band's entire history and it seems he's been sort of the manager/leader since the early members fell away. Also, his spooky, tribal drumming on songs like Black Magic Woman and Coming Your Way give the band a little bit of the menace they had early on. 5) Stevie Nicks: her singing and writing revitalized the band and gave them huge hits. She is the band's superstar. Also, I think you guys underrate the eponymous 1975 album. That was our introduction to Buckingham Nicks and it established a beachhead for Rumours. Rhiannon was so fresh at the time and I still think it might be her best song. 6) Christine McVie: She rivals Stevie so far as having a bunch of hits with the band plus she was, like Kirwan, a major piece through transitional albums. And the warm intimacy of her songs is a major part of the FM sound. 7) John McVie: the other half of the rhythm section in the band's name. He's good and consistent. 8) Jeremy Spencer: I wasn't fond of his Elmore James slide guitar songs in the early days but I like his goofy contributions to Kiln House and he was a major part of their live shows; he'd sing old rockabilly and teen rock classics and the band would really fucking rock them out! You won't hear this on their studio albums but they were a great rock band in the early days. Also, his Somebody's Gonna Get Their Head Kicked In Tonight is great. A lot of the great early Mac stuff isn't on the studio albums. I like Sentimental Lady but other than that I'm not a big Bob Welch fan. I don't think his smooth jazz approach worked too well with FM. The other people passing through I don't know about as they played on LPs off my radar.
Awesome( and very successful ) Fleetwood Mac week ( as usual I learnt heaps from TLM Classic Rock Course 101) 👍🙏…now to Whitney Houston next week ..looking forward to some great lists from our regular commenters…… ..working through mine now 😊
Interesting rankings, everybody has their favorites. One thing I would have to say is that Danny Kirwan was a much better guitarist than Bob welch. While the two were in the band Kirwan played 90% of the leads. Any intricate or blistering guitar was played by Kirwan. Welch pretty much played rhythm guitar at that time. Peter Green was definitely the best guitarist to ever play in fleetwood mac. He is an all time great.
@@TastesLikeMusic yes welch wrote some interesting things but if you know who's playing what then you can hear what I'm saying. Plus I don't think I have ever seen a band where the rhythm guitarist was a better player than the lead guitarist, at least the bands that I like.
@@TastesLikeMusic He did. And Kirwan wrote great songs with basic blues/rock progressions. He also added beautiful solo work to many a Christine McVie song.
If there's any doubt as to how underrated of a guitarist Lindsey Buckingham is, they had to replace him with two guys. He's literally twice the guitarist.
Mike Campbell is a great guitarist I’d rank him right up there with Lindsay he just didn’t have the vocal chops that Lindsay did. That was the problem they always had when he left they could never find a great guitarist that had the vocal chops that Lindsay did. The other replacements (Vito, Burnett and Finn) could have been anybody and would have been just as good.
Lindsey is my favorite member, and always brings a lot to the table. Not only has creative and artistic vision but the guy plays without a pick you gotta love that.
I like Billy Burnette's "Hard Feelings." It's a good song, and even if his voice is like husky vanilla, Christine's backing vocals are pure. Not a fan of his other work, but I want to call out he had something to offer, at least to me.
First time I saw FM was with Vito and Burnette. Blue Letter sung by Burnette had the crowd going wild best reaction of the whole show, it has always been a favourite of mine and he definitely did it justice and filled Buckinghams place really well.
I won't rank Fleetwood/John McVie because they're an anchor; 1.Bob Welch-my favorite era was when he was the leader 2.Peter Green-He founded the band,and while I like the Buckingham/Nicks era as a whole slightly more,the live recordings I heard push Green above 3.Christine McVie-Iv'e always preferred her more to Stevie Nicks ,even when Nicks was in the group. 4.Danny Kirwan-He really shined in the Welch era,and basically saved the Kiln House album. 5.Lindsey Buckingham-I respect him tremendously as a musician,but sometimes his quirkyness and odd touches lose me. But when he's on,he's tremendous. 6.Stevie Nicks-Tremendous singer,but her songs were a little less interesting to me then the others. Never got into that whole "witchy" vibe. 7.Jeremy Spencer-he really shined when Peter Green was still in the band. Wont rank the others
Peter Green is the total package. Phenomenal songwriting with "Oh Well", "Man of the World", "Green Manalishi", "Before the Beginning", "Black Magic Woman", "Albatross", "Love that Burns", etc. Killer interpretation of songs like "Need Your Love So Bad", "I've Got a Good Mind to Give Up Living", and "Jumping at Shadows". One of the all time guitar greats, a genius at getting the most emotional impact from as few notes as possible. One of few British guitarists who actually played blues instead of an imitation. He had restraint that most guitarists wouldn't even think of. And he was a bottomless well of improvisational ideas. He was distinctive. His sense of delivery was as important to his vocals as his guitar. His writing, voice, and playing were all his own. He lifted everyone up. Danny Kirwan's best playing was bouncing off of his ideas. Mick Fleetwood says everything about the drummer he is, he owes to Green's tutelage. And he had this ability to bring out the best in whomever he played with. The classic lineup with him, Danny, and Jeremy was one of greatest live acts in rock. He even named the band to ensure that he could leave if he wanted, and his friends would still have a band.
I agree with a lot of what you say but I think that Danny actually raised Peter's game. Fleetwood Mac didn't fully sound like Fleetwood Mac until Danny joined and Albatross, Then Play On, and later singles followed. The coda on Coming Your Way is spine-tingling as is the lead solo in Oh Well, thanks to Kirwan.
I guess some are not into the blues as you are. I think songwriting is most important and so my bias goes to songwriters in general, not that I even know what Peter Green wrote. Like his playing; just not a 3 three for this band.
@@oppothumbs1 his songwriting was phenomenal. "Black Magic Woman", "Albatross", "Man of the World", "Green Manalishi", and "Oh Well" alone should land him on even footing with Nicks, and it's not like those are his only great songs. Plus, his interpretations of songs like "Need Your Love So Bad" and "Jumping at Shadows" and whatnot. Factor in his genius at emotive expression and his ability as a live performer, and he's an easy top 3 if not #1.
Just found this post. Thanks for doing it! I believe it goes like this: Peter G played with the Blues Breakers prior to starting his own band. McVie and Fleetwood played with him in the Blues Breakers and they got along quite nicely. PG started his band but was not real happy with his pool of acquaintances for bass and drums. He really wanted Mick and John to come over., so he blatantly renamed the group Fleetwood Mac. And it worked!
Lindsey Buckingham's solo record that came out last year is really good. Especially the first 3-4 tracks...they sound like they could be killer tracks on a new Fleetwood Mac album. A not too subtle message to the current band..."yeah, I can still do this. You shouldn't have kicked me out."
Most of Lindsey's solo records have at least on or two potential hits on them. Trouble, Waiting for the Countdown, Soul Drifter are all worthy of being on Rumours. Most important members: 1Lindsey Buckingham 2 Stevie Nicks 3 Bob Welsh 4 Chrissie McVie (a few very good songs, most are not so great for me and not into her vocals sometimes) 5. Mick Fleetwood 6 Peter Green 7. Danny Kirwan
Are we ranking by talent, dedication to the band, public persona? The different members brought this by one degree or another just not in the same order. Peter Green basically invented the band (as well as being a brilliant guitarist and songwriter). Mick Fleetwood is probably the most dedicated. Lindsay is probably the most talented (and the least dedicated). And let’s face it the band would not have enjoyed all the success it did without Stevie’s public persona (plus she gave the band it’s only number one hit with Dreams). And I just adore Christine McVie she seems to be all of these things (and she gave the band most of it’s hits). Wow this is really hard. Bob Welch is good just never in the right place at the right time. Jeremy Spencer gave them their hard core blues reputation. Danny Kirwan kinda bridged the blues to pop gap between Green and Buckingham-Nicks. Wow this is really hard. I can’t do it.
@@janpoelkamp4229 I would agree with you in 2019 but in 1987 it would’ve killed him to go on the Tango in the Night tour. I saw them in 1987 with Burnett and Vito. It was so obvious they were added at the last minute to complete the tour (that had already been booked). He let the band down and I’m sure ticket sales suffered for it. Stevie could have left in 1981 and it would have hurt the band more that it hurt her.
@@Bartcmh Lindsay did lack dedication to the band, you are right about that. It came to a head in 1987, but was a factor as far back as "Tusk," which may well be Lindsay's greatest solo album. Still, Lindsay did scrap solo work to contribute songs to FM albums, so he put more than an oar in. Spiritually, he just followed his own drummer (not Mick).
Christine doesn’t nearly get enough credit for being a strong anchor in this band’s history. As far as I know she always delivered the goods, also offering the best material when things weren’t going smoothly. Christine rules!!!
For those people who weren't around to hear him in the late 60's, take 10 minutes and listen to Peter Green and FM covering BB King's "Worried Dream". BB once said about PG that "he was the only one who gave me the cold sweats".
Neil Finn played on some record (after Tusk). I guess he sang but they had another Buckingham type guitarist playing and not Neil. I think Neil can't rock out but he was with Split Enz (I Got You) and Crowded House who had a very good debut record.
16. Bob Brunning 15. Billy Burnette 14. Dave Walker 13. Dave Mason 12. Rick Vito 11. Bekka Bramlett 10. Bob Weston 9. Bob Welch 8. Danny Kirwan 7. Jeremy Spencer 6. Peter Green 5..Mick Fleetwood 4. Stevie Nicks 3. Christine McVie 2. John McVie 1. Lindsey Buckingham
My 16: 16. Bob Brunning 15. Bekka Bramlette 14. Dave Walker 13. Bob Weston 12.Dave Mason 11. Billy Burnette 10. Jeremy Spencer 9. Rick Vito 8. Danny Kirwan 7. Bob Welch 6.Mick Fleetwood 5. Christine McVie 4. Peter Green 3. John McVie 2. Lindsey Buckingham 1. Stevie Nicks.
Musicians sharing names with ballplayers ranked: 1. Brian Wilson 2. Carlos Santana 3. Bob Welch 4. Dave Stewart 5. Kenny Rogers 6. Ricky Nelson 7. Bobby Brown 8. Chris Brown (Michael/Mike Jackson, John/Johnny Oates a judgment call).
Ringo Starr? Namesake of Bart. In a different kind of ball game (soccer), back in 2012, Tottenham Hotspur's Aaron Lennon was on the opposite team to West Ham United's George McCartney.
I think Stevie Nicks has one of the most beautiful voices of all time! I'm not huge into Fleetwood Mac but she has a handful of 10/10 songs both in Fleetwood Mac and in her solo career.
One’s appreciation and fair recognition of the Green era seems somewhat dependent on what side of the pond you’re from: Albatross, Man of The World and Oh Well (Part 1) and Need Your Live So Bad we’re huge hits in the U.K. and still receive a lot of exposure on film, radio and television, there. This incarnation barely registered stateside, so it is understandable that a casual music fan from the U.S. wouldn’t resonate with that period of Fleetwood Mac. The Nicks/Buckingham era was popular everywhere, but especially in the states. From ‘75 onwards, they’re pretty much an American affair, I’d say.
1: Christine McVie 2: Stevie Nicks 3: Lindsey Buckingham 4: Peter Green 5: Bob Welch 6: Danny Kirwan 7: Mick Fleetwood 8: John McVie 9: Bob Weston 10: Jeremy Spencer 11: Bekka Bramlett 12: Billy Burnette 13: Dave Walker 14: Bob Brunning 15: Dave Mason 16: Rick Vito
Couldn't agree more with your views of Lindsey Buckingham & Christine McVie, as well as Stevie Nicks. I am not a big fan of Stevie's solo career. Lindsey is criminally under rated as a guitarist. His solo releases "Out Of The Cradle" and "Seeds We Sow" are 5 stars. Any fan of his must check out "Countdown" performed on Letterman - insane!! It is on youtube, Letterman's reaction afterwards is priceless. I went to see Tina Turner in '92 or '93 because Lindsey was her opening act, and was blown away, seeing him live. Years later, I was able to see Fleetwood Mac, unfortunately Christine Mcvie had retired from touring durng that tour. And not to make you guys too jealous, but I was blessed enough to see the "Behind The Mask" tour. Actually not a bad evening, first time seeing them live, as well as Pat Benatar, who opened the show. As I mentioned on your Mac album video, Bob Welch's solo LP "French Kiss" from 1977 is well worth a listen.
On musicians with baseball player names, one of the guys I hung out with at open mic on an almost weekly basis from 2005-10 was named Mike Schmidt, who is probably a technically good enough guitarist to be able to play Fleetwood Mac songs (although he goes by the name J. Killington Stowe III on social media 😂).
My two favorites are Spencer and Kirwan. But not based on just Fleetwood Mac. Love their voices and guitar sound. There were lots of great artists within The Family on all their Heaven's Magic productions so Spencer does not really feel like a star there even though his contributions are very welcome. And the second side of Spencer's Flee album from 79 is very enjoyable. Kirwan did a lot more for Fleetood Mac. And then 3 fairly enjoyable solo albums afterwards.
I know all of those solo albums. I found the Flee album long ago on LP in a one dollar bin and since I never found the CD I even ripped it to lossless files and saved it on CD. There was something in the chemistry of Fleetwood Mac that brought out the best of those guys. Neither those two nor Bob Welch could make it on their own. (In my opinion, those solo albums can all be filed under what today is called Yacht Rock - the boring kind. Fleetwood Mac often were close to it but always retained some class.)
It's hard to see Spencer being placed above Green. Obviously i'm a bit of a Green fan. But Spencer isn't really a songwriter. He only wanted to play either Elmore James style slide blues or 50s rock'n'roll, so his songs are copies of those two things. And while his slide playing sounds good, he really only plays that one thing. He's the reason there are 4 songs with the same intro on the 2nd record. When Green's songwriting starts to branch out Spencer doesn't even play on those songs. Green and Kirwan do a lot of interesting back'n'forth while Spencer plays marracas. Green's singing and playing are more dynamic and more nuanced. Again... i know, i'm clearly a Peter Green fan. And it's easier to pick up on what he does well on live stuff, including TV appearances where you can see them in action. The much bootlegged Live In Boston record from 1970 that unfortunately got shelved when Green had his mental breakdown really shows where that version of the band was going. (okay, i'll stop now).
Peter Green is a great guitar player and perhaps a better songwriter, but Lindsey Buckingham simply is on another level, all things concerned. The Green Manishi, Man Of The World, Albatross, Black Magic Woman, Oh Well and Need Your Love So Bad are all classic singles, but let’s not get ahead of ourselves here. The way I see it is that some will always champion the obscure above the most popular no matter what. The curse of ‘credibility’.
Question for you guys. Which version of 'Sentimental Lady' do you like better? The original Fleetwood Mac version on Bare Trees, or the version on Bob Welch's first solo album French Kiss that features Mick Fleetwood, Christine McVie and Lindsey Buckingham.
Was so hoping you guys would do “Ranking the members” for side 3. Great job on all these. You guys know a lot more about a lot of artists than I do, but If there’s one thing I do know, its Fleetwood Mac and you guys pretty much “got it”, other than under rating Green a bit, and being overly hard on Burnette and Vito, BTM, and Time. Check out some live clips of Vito tearing into Peter Green’s blues stuff in the late 80’s. You forgot to include the screens with your printed lists and your averaged lists? I can live with either Christine or Lindsey in the #1 spot but Christine gets the nod in my book for her longevity, consistency, and overall volume of great songs. 1. Christine McVie (the songs, the hits, the voice, the tenure!) 2. Lindsey Buckingham (the vision, the production, best guitarist ever!) 3. Mick Fleetwood (the tenacity, the drumming) 4. Bob Welch (kept em going in the wilderness years, underrated) 5. John McVie (the bassing, the attitude) 6. Stevie Nicks (the popularity, the poetry) 7. Peter Green (that guitar sound) 8. Danny Kirwan (created some great moody songs) 9. Billy Burnette (great singer, songwriter, underrated) 10. Rick Vito (great guitarist, best outfits!) 11. Bekka Bramlett (wonderful soulful vocalist, hated for no reason!) 12. Jeremy Spencer (important early on but does not resonate with me) 13 Dave Mason (good songwriter, but zero influence, and only on Time) 14 Dave Walker (one good song- the Derelict!) 15 Bob Weston (hard to say- he didn’t do much- co vocals on “Did you ever love Me”?, nearly broke up the band by having affair with Fleetwood’s wife)
Horses for courses, of course, and if we all liked the same artists to the same degree, there’d be nothing to discuss or argue about, but such a low rating for Peter Green, especially if we’re talking about contribution to the band, is scandalous! I initially got into FM through Jeremy Spencer’s incendiary slide playing, but Peter Green’s guitar work is exquisite. He and Danny Kirwan took the band from a very good pub blues band to one writing masterpieces like Albatross, Man of the World (one of the saddest songs ever), Oh Well and the frightening Green Manalishi in a couple of years. Who knows where they’d have ended up had he not succumbed to mental illness. The mind boggles. There’d probably never have been a Buckingham/Nicks era, which would have robbed the world of some amazing pop music, some of the best. Maybe he had to leave for the band to metamorphosise(?) into the Rumours band, but given what he did, what he wrote and what he played and ultimately what his departure eventually led the way to, I’m amazed he is ranked so low. Again, just my opinion.
@@TastesLikeMusic I can’t argue with that, I love her as well. I’m just gonna ask this, Would you guys be even doing an album, song, and member ranking if Lindsay Buckingham doesn’t join Fleetwood Mac? As always, love the videos! Keep it up!!!
Buckingham is a very underrated Acoustic player in my opinion. On one of Fleetwood Mac's Live albums (I believe it was 'The Dance'), he does a rendition of Big Love with just his Acoustic Guitar, and it is my absolute favorite version of the song. Also, I 100% agree with you guys about Mick Fleetwood and John McVie, such an amazing rhythm section.
@@TastesLikeMusic For me she saved the albums after Rumors from Lindsey's excess. Politics kept her from putting more songs on albums as well when she was clearly the best songwriter and singer. Silver Springs is excellent and relegated to a B-Side
McVie was not in initially as he had a fulltime gig with JMBB (as did/had both PG and MF) and with that a regular wage, he did not want to jeopardise this with Pete's new band. He did play on the 2 tracks recorded during the studio time PG was given by JM for his birthday, both excellent tracks, one being called "Fleetwood Mac" and the other Drifting
I've really enjoyed Fleetwood Mac week, and if I've learned nothing else, I've finally grasped the correct American pronunciation of Bucking-Ham. If the need ever arises I'll remember to say it like that, rather than the English way we'd pronounce the name of the place and palace, i.e Bucking'm. Cheers:)
Not much point in ranking those that had minimal time or impact in the band, so my list includes just the essential personnel, the top 9, and obviously shows my personal preferences. 9. Jeremy Spencer 8. Peter Green 7. Danny Kirwan 6. Stevie Nicks 5. Lindsay Buckingham 4. John McVie 3. Mick Fleetwood (Fleetwood and McVie have been there through it all, providing the solid backbone of the band) 2. Bob Welch (May be controversial, but I enjoy his music and contributions more than Buckingham/Nicks era 1. Christine McVie (More than anyone else, she represents Fleetwood Mac throughout all their stages, and has contributed the most). Eight of these nine essential members were all included in the band's induction into the RnR Hall of Fame (1998). The only one that wasn't included was Bob Welch, an absolutely criminal omission.
1. Mick Fleetwood. Underrated and kept it together for all those lean years. Plus his drum solo during Not That Funny from '82 is hilarious ua-cam.com/video/2GIOO7IvbUs/v-deo.html 2. Lindsay Buckingham. One of my favorite guitarists of all time. 3. John McVie. Rock steady. 4. Stevie Nicks. So many classics 5. Christine McVie. Possibly the best songwriter in the band.
I'm hoping that a lot of people looked up and researched Bob Welch after that Family Guy episode that has those hilarious scenes when the characters realize that Bob Welch is dead, and then they're all just sitting or laying around listening to 'Sentimental Lady.'
I agree that Lindsey has contributed more than he gets recognized for and has an amazing guitar style and voice. And Christine has a lovely voice and and many great lyrics
Mick Fleetwood has to be top 3 I think, as he’s been the band’s leader (and main cheerleader) since at least Peter Green left, if not before then. Without his determination to keep the ship sailing I’m pretty sure Fleetwood Mac wouldn’t have made it to the Buckingham-Nicks era. (On the downside, we also got Behind the Mask and Time…) And this is before we consider his musical abilities…
I like the lists, but I think Peter Green is ranked too low considering he contributed songs like Black Magic Woman, The Green Manalishi, Oh Well, Albatross and I Loved Another Woman. My ranking: 1. Christine McVie 2. Lindsey Buckingham 3. Peter Green 4. Bob Welch 5. Danny Kirwan 6. Stevie Nicks 7. Mick Fleetwood 8. John McVie 9. Bob Weston 10. Jeremy Spencer. The rest I don't really care.
I saw an interview with Christine McVie about 4 years ago, in which she said that her and John still got on well and it was his drinking that ended the marriage.
here goes 10 dave walker [ love savoy brown , so he makes the list] 9 stevie nicks 8 jeremy spencer mystery for me clever joe , 7 christine perfect mcvie 6 mick fleetwood 5 lindsey buckingham 4 bob welch 3 john mcvie 2 peter green 1 danny kirwin [ easy pick for me] i posted yesterday , but again R.I.P . ronnie spector !!! IM out like the raiders in the playoffs saturday in cincinnati !!
I'm taking the Raiders and the points,but think Bengals will win. As a Jets fan,I'm rooting for you guys to win it all! If the Bengals can win it,then maybe even the Jets can one day lol
I like your high high ranking for Mick Fleetwood and John McVie! They are the one constant and the sound is so unique and leaves so much space for the arrangements. Peter Green 8? No way. Ask Eric Clapton about Green's playing or John Mayall or John McVie. Oh yeah- he wrote some great songs as well. I'd put Stevie in 4th place by the way.
Hey guys, love the channel and this fleetwood mac series has been a lot of fun. Would it be worth considering when doing ranking videos like this in the future to put pictures of the members you guys are talking about on the screen? I feel like it would be helpful in keeping track of everyone. Hope thats not rude, my add is just getting the better of me :/
16. Bekka Bramlett 15. Dave Mason 14. Bob Brunning 13. Dave Walker 12. Jack Weston 11. Jeremy Spencer 10. Rick Vito 9. Billy Burnette 8. Peter Green 7. Bob Welch 6. Danny Kirwin 5. John McVie 4. Mick Fleetwood 3. Lindsey Buckingham 2. Stevie NIcks 1. Christine McVie
Enjoyed the three FM videos. Fascinating to see the trio rank albums and players they have no contemporaneous history with, who they went back and checked out for the first time. Agree with the comments below about the radical underappreciation of Peter Green -- that he was average, nothing special, etc. He's held in the highest esteem by countless top tier guitarists -- peers of his generation, older legends (B.B. King), and countless top tier guitarists to the present.
One thing to consider with Green, he was surely a great guitarist, but it didn’t often come through on the albums other than say Green Manalishi. - Joe
@@TastesLikeMusic Thanks, Joe for your note. I'm a huge fan of the channel. Did not hear much on this TLM post or the FM albums ranking post, about 3 other Green classics -- Black Magic Woman (the Santana covered classic), Albatross (#1 UK single) or Oh Well -- all departures from classic blues -- but originally released as singles and not included on all configurations of the early albums, e.g., Oh Well was the centerpiece of Then Play On after it was added to later versions. Green started/led the band and brought it to great success/acclaim in the early years (at least in the UK). All of this puts him above Welch, Kirwan, Spencer (in that order) and the short term stand-ins. So I put Green either at 5 (C. McVie at 6) or vice versa, with Buckingham, Nicks, Fleetwood and J. McVie unquestionably in the top 4 spots (perhaps in that order).
I didn’t think anything was going to be worse than Kramzer’s pick of Fleetwood Mac self-titled at #9, but Stevie Nicks at #7? Just crazy. Maybe part of it was not being alive in the 70’s, let alone listening to music, but lower than Kirwen or Welch?
This is the first ranking the members video I have seen, but I think you are underperfoming this concept in two ways. First, I think you could do these a lot more, not just when there have been 20+ members. Rank the members of Rolling Stones, Black Sabbath (which actually did have quite many players over the years), Who, Queen, Iron Maiden, E Street Band, et cetera. This could very well be your permanent side three. Or have a month dedicated to it, similar to your March Badness, but call it Members May, where each week (or weekday!) you rank the members of a famous band. Secondly, I think you are dropping the ball a bit by having three individual lists of your own. It works well in your main videos, because each of you has their own tastes and preferences, but here I think trying to achieve a consensus would work better. It would enable way more debate and discussion about the contributions of any single member, which is more interesting than just spelling out three different lists of names. The way I see it, you start chronologically and then just ask if the next member goes above or below the earlier ones, and allow swapping at the end. "Band member B, do they go above or below A? Okay, below. How about C? Below B, okay. And D? Between B and C? Alright. E? Between D and C." And so on, while giving arguments for or against the member, if there are any. You can allow ties too if you need to. "F plays drums very well, but does not compose songs, so they can tie with C or D." Besides, there are three of you, so in worst case you can just outvote the outlier. Good thing is that most bands do not have 20 or so members, but rather maybe 6 or 7, with only 4 or 5 truly prominent ones, so these lists do not have to be super long. But I would be certainly interested in hearing the debate!
How are you guys ranking the members of Fleetwood Mac? Peter Green, who formed the band, should not be at number 8. B B King was quoted as saying that Peter Green is the only living guitarist to make him sweat. Jeremy Spencer played on 4 albums before running off, not 2. Christine McVie didn’t start in 1970 or 71, she was on Mr. Wonderful which was 1968.
How about 5 BEST FLEETWOOD MAC ALBUM COVERS? Here's Mine: 1. Mirage (gorgeous "photo painting" of all 5 band members) 2. Bare Trees (John McVie took the photo) 3. The Dance (ok it's a live album, but it counts for the cover) 4.. Rumours 4. Tango in the Night
I like Penguin’s and Kiln House’s covers and also dig the weirdness of Mystery To Me. A couple of other ones are quite problematic and even Rumours looks awkward with Mick wearing those… eh..
If it’s bad enough ranking Bob Welch ahead the legendary Stevie Nicks to make it even worse Jason says Danny Kirwan wasn’t a good songwriter or even in the best two guitarists but then ranks him in front of Nicks anyway. Absolutely nuts. Unjustifiable The best and easily the most successful and well known are the classic line up.
The TLM crew obviously got so wrapped up in defending their low placement of Peter Green and Stevie Nicks, they didn't have time to record a 1986 Songs of the Year video this week.
I love your channel,but I think you guys are crazy ranking Peter Green so low! Forget his guitar playing(yes he was the best guitarist the band ever had,listen to him live),but what about his songwriting!(albatross,black magic woman,closing my eyes,love that burns,man of the world,Oh well,green manalishi,the supernatural)
Peter Green introduced a completely different type of guitar player to the late 60s when everybody wanted to be faster, flashier and louder than the next guy. He was all about tone and mood and he created it with a few - the right - notes. That desperation in Green Manalishi, the hidden danger in Black Magic Woman or the effortlessly gliding majestic Albatros. Even non-musicians could feel his emotions painted in every of his songs...musicians even more. Gary Moore dedicated a whole album to him (Blues For Greeny), Snowy White built his career on that tone, players as diverse as Mike Campbell, Mark Knopfler or Kirk Hammett name him as a major influence (Hammett even paid an enormous sum to get one of Green's original guitars). Carlos Santana saw Fleetwood Mac in 1969 and not only covered Black Magic Woman but also covered much of his approach (which was not so hard for him as both had their common roots in BB King anyway). Not to forget that Green himself recovered in the late 1970s and started a second solo career with a number of classic albums (In the Skies, Little Dreamer, White Sky and many more).
@@roxannewalsh Did you hear how he got that out of phase tone? He accidentally put in his pickup backwards after cleaning his fretboard ,and decided to keep it that way. I think what is missing in these guys rankings ,since theyre only ranking albums and songs,is what a charismatic performer he was live. I'm too young too have seen him in his prime,but there is plenty of evidence on UA-cam. Jimmy Page said in the 60's"he's the best of all of us. Best player,singer and songwriter" when referring to the british guitarists coming out of the '60's. There is a story where he was jamming with Hendrix,and suddenly Hendrix stopped playing and stared at him,like he was transfixed. Apparantly,Hendrix likely very stoned,told him"man I need to touch your hair" lol
@@painless465 There is something with these Young Americans (sorry, I just listen to that album) that is like a brick wall - Paul Rodgers is a bad singer, Peter Green a mediocre guitarist and Rush only made perfect albums. I forgive them all of this because they offer us the platform to express a different opinion.
I think Stevie Nicks should be higher on all your lists guys, especially Jason’s. Shocked by that. You can even mount a case she could be number one but id probably have her second or third behind Buckingham
Spot on, it made me really angry watching this, I feel they actually disrespected her in some ways, Stevie is a legend. Most real Fleetwood Mac fans know how important she’s been to the band. Way way more influential and successful than Danny Bloody Kirwan and Bob one hit wonder Welch
@@miaajaniss I would have thought it was pretty obvious too. Though I don’t feel quite as strongly as you I love your passion. I always defend my favourite artists to the death too
We just spent the last day getting harangued by Peter Green fans saying the exact same thing. She shouldn’t be number 1, let’s not get ridiculous. - Joe
@@TastesLikeMusic You guys are gluttons for punishment with these band member ranking videos. First, you piss off Glen Frey fans with the Eagles, now you're feeling the wrath of Peter Green and Stevie Nicks fans.
We saw this coming. " REAL FLEETWOOD MAC FANS" know stevie is number 1 "REAL FLEETWOOD MAC FANS" know Peter is #1 "REAL FLEETWOOD MAC FANS" know Mic is #1 "REAL FLEETWOOD MAC FANS" know Lindsey is#1 ... Everyone can't be right
TBH ..Stevie Nicks ..( 1976-1980 “gypsy “ Stevie ) ..she was / is Fleetwood Mac to me( regardless of however minor, overall songwriting wise her contribution was) …yes I get it , Buckingham’s an underrated guitarist , some sort of genius, the Mcvie’s , Gandalf the drummer , Peter Green , Bob Welch are great , Kirwan .. all that …but it was all about Stevie ( sigh) …😍…that’s it
There are simply things that do not fit - Paul Rodgers in Queen - Ian Gillan in Black Sabbath (although that was funny in a weird kind of way...) - Dave Walker in Fleetwood Mac - all those talented guys who joined The Band for their reunion - Brian Robertson in Motorhead
This is hard. I’ll rank the six songwriters: 1. Lindsey Buckingham 2. Danny Kirwan 3. Bob Welch 4. Christine McVie 5. Stevie Nicks 6. Peter Green And I really like Nicks. She’s great at writing lyrics and singing them but without Buckingham producing, her songs probably would not sound nearly as good.
So Stevie Nicks wrote 6 big hits the only number one hit they ever had and on a songwriting basis you’ve still ranked Welch and Kirwan ahead of her because of Buckinghams production. You do know how insane that actually sounds when you read it.
@@TastesLikeMusic Hilarious and ridiculous comment for effect but that is fine if you prefer MOR soft rock. Oh Well, Albatross, GM, Black Magic Woman and a few others....Many people would have some of those in top 10. Many people.
16) Bob Brunning 15) Dave Walker 14) Dave Mason 13) Billy Burnette 12) Bekka Bramlett 11) Rick Vito 10) Bob Weston 9) Christine McVie 8) Jeremy Spencer 7) John McVie 6) Mick Fleetwood 5) Lindsey Buckingham 4) Bob Welch 3) Danny Kirwan 2) Stevie Nicks 1) Peter Green
I kind of see where Joe and Jason are coming from, where Stevie Nicks' contributions to the band are kind of minimal, but she really has some of my favorite FM tracks. Sure, there might only be one album's worth of material, but that's a 5-star album where every song rules.
I'm a guitar player myself and I love Lindsey Buckingham's off-the-beaten-path style. But I have to admit that, for songs, Stevie Nick's best ones are slightly better than Lindsay's best ones.
Albatross, Black Magic Woman, Man of the World: singles written by Peter Green I never heard mentioned in this week’s videos. In addition to Oh Well and The Green Manalishi, these classic songs definitely warrant a higher ranking for Peter Green.
Writing those five songs alone-even if one doesn’t consider him a guitar god-should place him at number 6, at absolute worst.
Oh Well has become a Rock n Roll standard. It’s been covered by everybody.
Yes yes yes!!!!!!
@@Bartcmh Mike Campbell covered it with Tom Petty and he covered it with Fleetwood Mac. 🙂
Yes! Best vocalist the band ever had and a great songwriter
Ranking Bob Welch above Peter Green is mental.
um... yah.. no it's not. Bob is a much better songwriter. There, I said it
@@SoundlabStudios63each to his/her own ...
There'd be no Fleetwood Mac without Peter Green, Mick & John have been the rhythm section since day 1, and Buckingham/Nicks shot new blood into the band. All that said, Christine Mcvie is my #1 favorite member. Her voice, songs, and the fact that she broke the band's boys club barrier. She's still underrated in the ranks of women in rock but she's a titan in my eyes.
Amen! Well Said! Christine is my favorite member in my favorite band. She's an pionner, icon and musical genius and still is very much underrated.
My list :
16. Bob Brunning
15. Dave Mason
14. Billy Burnette
13. Rick Vito
12. Bekka Bramlett
11. Dave Walker
10. Bob Weston
9. Jeremy Spencer
8. Bob Welch
7. Peter Green
6. John McVie
5. Mick Fleetwood
4. Stevie Nicks
3. Danny Kirwan
2. Christine McVie
1. Lindsey Buckingham
Joe asked how there was a Fleetwood Mac before McVie was in the band. Well... Peter Green played with John Mayall after Clapton left, and Fleetwood and McVie were Mayall's rhythm section. Green left Mayall to lead his own band and was hoping to get Fleetwood and McVie to join him. He even named the band after them to sell them on it. Fleetwood quit Mayall and joined Green, but McVie liked the steady pay of the more established gig. but then he changed his mind.
Well explained. Now I don’t have to!
John Mayall's policy about drinking was a contributor. Mayall was strict about onstage sobriety, and John liked his suds then.
I think Buckingham is an obvious top pick because, as Joe said, the direction of the band changed with his presence. But, I would also say that Stevie Nicks had as much an influence. I find it strange that Jason that Dreams is his favourite Mac song but doesn't seem to credit Nicks here. I would argue that her songwriting has way more depth, complexity and character than McVie's. Though Christine's songs are solid, whether it's Say You Love Me, You Make Loving Fun, Think About Me, Little Lies, they're all very similar lyrically. Here is where I would take issue with both Joe and Jason on Nicks' post-Rumours output. To me Sara, Beautiful Child, Sisters of the Moon and Storms are all stunning. Her emotive and heartfelt lyrics complement the varied melodic feel of each of the songs compared to McVie's catchy but ultimately shallow songs.
There's no doubt that without Buckingham and Nicks, Fleetwood Mac would be a fairly run-of-the-mill band rather than a great one. Both their personalities drove the band in a new exciting direction. Reflecting on the band, listening to side one of Tusk, you have the great arrangement of McVie's Over and Over, the guitar work of Buckingham elevating her Think About Me, his eccentric and energetic The Ledge, followed by Nicks' soulful Sara. This diversity is what made the band so interesting. Think also of side two of Tusk where Buckingham and Nicks' compositions dominate are all much more adventurous than anything McVie ever did (unless it was Buckingham's producing/arranging influence)
Nicks should definitely be number 2 to Buckingham. They came as a complete package.
Really happy to see that all three you gave a high ranking for Christine. Her, along with Mick, would be my favorite FM members.
As the most casual of casual Fleetwood Mac fans … I’m going with Stevie Nicks - style icon! And that voice! This sums up my sentiments .. thank you to the band Clutch:
“I can tell you precisely
Where this all began
Salem, Massachusetts
And I was hardly a man
I fell madly in love with
Some brand of Stevie Nicks
Oh, I begged and I pleaded
Like a fiend for a fix”
I’m so happy too!! Now that I’ve seen the lists, I predicted that at least one out of the three of them would have Christine McVie at the very top #1 spot .. and I was correct, Jason did. Right on!! 👍
I may be in the minority, but i feel Behind The Mask is an underrated album, and Time shined because of Christine McVie. While not super crazy about Billy Burnette, Rick Vito is a super soulful and excellent slide guitarist. There is a reason why Mick still kept him to lead his Mick Fleetwood blues band.
Lindsey Buckingham for sure. The man is doing about 3 jobs in that band. Songwriter. Guitarist. Arranger. And at times co producing. He is one of the most underrated guitar players. Huge fan.
I think Christine McVie’s songs were the most emotive and poignant and she was the most gifted at writing melodies. Shame she didn’t make an album with her Beach boyfriend of the late 70s - Dennis Wilson also wrote very heartfelt music.
I had a bit of a chuckle when Joe said Billy Burnette was not a rock star name.
Billy is the son of Dorsey Burnette and nephew of Johnny Burnette who led the rockabilly / early Rock and Roll band, " The Rock and Roll Trio/ The Burnette Brothers and who are in the Rockabully Hall of Fame.
And Bekka Bramlette is the daughter of two other famous musicians Delaney and Bonnie Bramlette who played with Eric Clapton amongst others in the very early 70s.
also both Billy and Bekka recorded some albums together outside of Fleetwood Mac.
Ok, I think Stevie’s contributions to Tusk are being undersold. Although I’m not the biggest fan of Sara (I much prefer the single edit to the tedious album cut) I think the other songs are quite solid, and I rank Sisters Of The Moon and Angel among her best material.
About Jeremy Spencer’s fate, it happened some time in 1970 when the band were about to tour America. They entered the airport in (I think) LA and were constantly mugged by people with folders, this particular bunch being members of the Children Of God cult. Being known as particularly fickle-minded, Jeremy apparently got reeled in near a bookstand when he told the other members he was gonna get some cigarettes (if I’m not mistaken).
Some time later they were able to track him down and he was basically kidnapped by some young recrutes of this rather dubious cult which gained notoriety because of sexual and physical (child) abuse and mind control.
And Bob Weston got fired in 1974 because he slept with Mick’s wife (oh, the irony…).
Her contributions have been undersold full stop.
Just spit-balling here and my opinion is shaped largely by my seeing Fleetwood Mac as one of the best guitar bands in rock music, but I think this is how I'd rank them
1) Peter Green: he started and named the band and his reputation as one of the best guitarists and singers to emerge from the British Blues boom rests on what he did with Fleetwood Mac. Albatross, Man Of the World, Oh Well, and Green Manalishi are four of their best songs and he wrote them all.
2) Danny Kirwan: when he joined the band they really became Fleetwood Mac. As great as Peter's lead guitar work was, Danny raised the intensity by playing with more feel. He might have had the best vibrato in the rock guitar field. After Green left, he co-lead them through three albums transitioning them further from blues to pop-rock. His highlights over those albums include Station Man, Jewel-Eyed Judy, Sands Of Time, The Sunny Side Of Heaven, and Dust.
3) Lindsey Buckingham: He's not in the same league as Peter and Danny in electric lead guitar playing but his acoustic playing is better and gave the band more range and he was a great arranger for his own songs and for Stevie's. He still fit in well as far as being right for the SoCal style the band had been adopting on the earlier, post-Green albums.
4) Mick Fleetwood: Not only is the band named after him and McVie but he's been with them through the band's entire history and it seems he's been sort of the manager/leader since the early members fell away. Also, his spooky, tribal drumming on songs like Black Magic Woman and Coming Your Way give the band a little bit of the menace they had early on.
5) Stevie Nicks: her singing and writing revitalized the band and gave them huge hits. She is the band's superstar. Also, I think you guys underrate the eponymous 1975 album. That was our introduction to Buckingham Nicks and it established a beachhead for Rumours. Rhiannon was so fresh at the time and I still think it might be her best song.
6) Christine McVie: She rivals Stevie so far as having a bunch of hits with the band plus she was, like Kirwan, a major piece through transitional albums. And the warm intimacy of her songs is a major part of the FM sound.
7) John McVie: the other half of the rhythm section in the band's name. He's good and consistent.
8) Jeremy Spencer: I wasn't fond of his Elmore James slide guitar songs in the early days but I like his goofy contributions to Kiln House and he was a major part of their live shows; he'd sing old rockabilly and teen rock classics and the band would really fucking rock them out! You won't hear this on their studio albums but they were a great rock band in the early days. Also, his Somebody's Gonna Get Their Head Kicked In Tonight is great. A lot of the great early Mac stuff isn't on the studio albums.
I like Sentimental Lady but other than that I'm not a big Bob Welch fan. I don't think his smooth jazz approach worked too well with FM. The other people passing through I don't know about as they played on LPs off my radar.
Awesome( and very successful ) Fleetwood Mac week ( as usual I learnt heaps from TLM Classic Rock Course 101) 👍🙏…now to Whitney Houston next week ..looking forward to some great lists from our regular commenters…… ..working through mine now 😊
Interesting rankings, everybody has their favorites. One thing I would have to say is that Danny Kirwan was a much better guitarist than Bob welch. While the two were in the band Kirwan played 90% of the leads. Any intricate or blistering guitar was played by Kirwan. Welch pretty much played rhythm guitar at that time. Peter Green was definitely the best guitarist to ever play in fleetwood mac. He is an all time great.
Playing lead doesn’t automatically make you a better guitarist. Welch wrote great songs with really interesting chord progressions.
@@TastesLikeMusic yes welch wrote some interesting things but if you know who's playing what then you can hear what I'm saying. Plus I don't think I have ever seen a band where the rhythm guitarist was a better player than the lead guitarist,
at least the bands that I like.
Brad Whitford is the obvious one. But in the case of this video, we’re not just judging guitar ability but the full contribution to the band. -Jason
@@TastesLikeMusic He did. And Kirwan wrote great songs with basic blues/rock progressions. He also added beautiful solo work to many a Christine McVie song.
If there's any doubt as to how underrated of a guitarist Lindsey Buckingham is, they had to replace him with two guys. He's literally twice the guitarist.
Mike Campbell is a great guitarist I’d rank him right up there with Lindsay he just didn’t have the vocal chops that Lindsay did. That was the problem they always had when he left they could never find a great guitarist that had the vocal chops that Lindsay did. The other replacements (Vito, Burnett and Finn) could have been anybody and would have been just as good.
@@Bartcmh Even before Buckingham, they often had two guitarists in their lineup, and a lot of them were really good.
Damn , I was gonna post 📫 that !
@@Bartcmh Criminally selling Neil Finn short there, but anyway…
Lindsey is my favorite member, and always brings a lot to the table. Not only has creative and artistic vision but the guy plays without a pick you gotta love that.
I like Billy Burnette's "Hard Feelings." It's a good song, and even if his voice is like husky vanilla, Christine's backing vocals are pure. Not a fan of his other work, but I want to call out he had something to offer, at least to me.
First time I saw FM was with Vito and Burnette.
Blue Letter sung by Burnette had the crowd going wild best reaction of the whole show, it has always been a favourite of mine and he definitely did it justice and filled Buckinghams place really well.
I won't rank Fleetwood/John McVie because they're an anchor;
1.Bob Welch-my favorite era was when he was the leader
2.Peter Green-He founded the band,and while I like the Buckingham/Nicks era as a whole slightly more,the live recordings I heard push Green above
3.Christine McVie-Iv'e always preferred her more to Stevie Nicks ,even when Nicks was in the group.
4.Danny Kirwan-He really shined in the Welch era,and basically saved the Kiln House album.
5.Lindsey Buckingham-I respect him tremendously as a musician,but sometimes his quirkyness and odd touches lose me. But when he's on,he's tremendous.
6.Stevie Nicks-Tremendous singer,but her songs were a little less interesting to me then the others. Never got into that whole "witchy" vibe.
7.Jeremy Spencer-he really shined when Peter Green was still in the band.
Wont rank the others
Peter Green is the total package.
Phenomenal songwriting with "Oh Well", "Man of the World", "Green Manalishi", "Before the Beginning", "Black Magic Woman", "Albatross", "Love that Burns", etc.
Killer interpretation of songs like "Need Your Love So Bad", "I've Got a Good Mind to Give Up Living", and "Jumping at Shadows".
One of the all time guitar greats, a genius at getting the most emotional impact from as few notes as possible. One of few British guitarists who actually played blues instead of an imitation. He had restraint that most guitarists wouldn't even think of. And he was a bottomless well of improvisational ideas.
He was distinctive. His sense of delivery was as important to his vocals as his guitar. His writing, voice, and playing were all his own.
He lifted everyone up. Danny Kirwan's best playing was bouncing off of his ideas. Mick Fleetwood says everything about the drummer he is, he owes to Green's tutelage. And he had this ability to bring out the best in whomever he played with. The classic lineup with him, Danny, and Jeremy was one of greatest live acts in rock. He even named the band to ensure that he could leave if he wanted, and his friends would still have a band.
I agree with a lot of what you say but I think that Danny actually raised Peter's game. Fleetwood Mac didn't fully sound like Fleetwood Mac until Danny joined and Albatross, Then Play On, and later singles followed. The coda on Coming Your Way is spine-tingling as is the lead solo in Oh Well, thanks to Kirwan.
Sorry guys but that’s just plain nuts having Peter Green so low, for me he is at least in the top 3
I guess some are not into the blues as you are. I think songwriting is most important and so my bias goes to songwriters in general, not that I even know what Peter Green wrote. Like his playing; just not a 3 three for this band.
@@oppothumbs1 his songwriting was phenomenal. "Black Magic Woman", "Albatross", "Man of the World", "Green Manalishi", and "Oh Well" alone should land him on even footing with Nicks, and it's not like those are his only great songs. Plus, his interpretations of songs like "Need Your Love So Bad" and "Jumping at Shadows" and whatnot. Factor in his genius at emotive expression and his ability as a live performer, and he's an easy top 3 if not #1.
Just found this post. Thanks for doing it! I believe it goes like this:
Peter G played with the Blues Breakers prior to starting his own band. McVie and Fleetwood played with him in the Blues Breakers and they got along quite nicely.
PG started his band but was not real happy with his pool of acquaintances for bass and drums. He really wanted Mick and John to come over., so he blatantly renamed the group Fleetwood Mac. And it worked!
Lindsey Buckingham's solo record that came out last year is really good. Especially the first 3-4 tracks...they sound like they could be killer tracks on a new Fleetwood Mac album. A not too subtle message to the current band..."yeah, I can still do this. You shouldn't have kicked me out."
Most of Lindsey's solo records have at least on or two potential hits on them. Trouble, Waiting for the Countdown, Soul Drifter are all worthy of being on Rumours.
Most important members:
1Lindsey Buckingham
2 Stevie Nicks
3 Bob Welsh
4 Chrissie McVie (a few very good songs, most are not so great for me and not into her vocals sometimes)
5. Mick Fleetwood
6 Peter Green
7. Danny Kirwan
Are we ranking by talent, dedication to the band, public persona? The different members brought this by one degree or another just not in the same order. Peter Green basically invented the band (as well as being a brilliant guitarist and songwriter). Mick Fleetwood is probably the most dedicated. Lindsay is probably the most talented (and the least dedicated). And let’s face it the band would not have enjoyed all the success it did without Stevie’s public persona (plus she gave the band it’s only number one hit with Dreams). And I just adore Christine McVie she seems to be all of these things (and she gave the band most of it’s hits). Wow this is really hard. Bob Welch is good just never in the right place at the right time. Jeremy Spencer gave them their hard core blues reputation. Danny Kirwan kinda bridged the blues to pop gap between Green and Buckingham-Nicks. Wow this is really hard. I can’t do it.
What, Lindsey the least dedicated??
There were plenty of factors playing surrounding his departures, but lack of dedication surely isn’t one of them.
@@janpoelkamp4229 I would agree with you in 2019 but in 1987 it would’ve killed him to go on the Tango in the Night tour. I saw them in 1987 with Burnett and Vito. It was so obvious they were added at the last minute to complete the tour (that had already been booked). He let the band down and I’m sure ticket sales suffered for it. Stevie could have left in 1981 and it would have hurt the band more that it hurt her.
@@Bartcmh Lindsay did lack dedication to the band, you are right about that. It came to a head in 1987, but was a factor as far back as "Tusk," which may well be Lindsay's greatest solo album. Still, Lindsay did scrap solo work to contribute songs to FM albums, so he put more than an oar in. Spiritually, he just followed his own drummer (not Mick).
Christine doesn’t nearly get enough credit for being a strong anchor in this band’s history. As far as I know she always delivered the goods, also offering the best material when things weren’t going smoothly.
Christine rules!!!
For those people who weren't around to hear him in the late 60's, take 10 minutes and listen to Peter Green and FM covering BB King's "Worried Dream". BB once said about PG that "he was the only one who gave me the cold sweats".
Neil Finn played on some record (after Tusk). I guess he sang but they had another Buckingham type guitarist playing and not Neil. I think Neil can't rock out but he was with Split Enz (I Got You) and Crowded House who had a very good debut record.
The way Kram said “bEcCa BrAmLeTt!” at 5:01 is just so funny, I cracked up!
16. Bob Brunning
15. Billy Burnette
14. Dave Walker
13. Dave Mason
12. Rick Vito
11. Bekka Bramlett
10. Bob Weston
9. Bob Welch
8. Danny Kirwan
7. Jeremy Spencer
6. Peter Green
5..Mick Fleetwood
4. Stevie Nicks
3. Christine McVie
2. John McVie
1. Lindsey Buckingham
my heart is sad to see Peter Green so low :(
These guys haven’t got a clue.
My 16:
16. Bob Brunning
15. Bekka Bramlette
14. Dave Walker
13. Bob Weston
12.Dave Mason
11. Billy Burnette
10. Jeremy Spencer
9. Rick Vito
8. Danny Kirwan
7. Bob Welch
6.Mick Fleetwood
5. Christine McVie
4. Peter Green
3. John McVie
2. Lindsey Buckingham
1. Stevie Nicks.
Musicians sharing names with ballplayers ranked:
1. Brian Wilson
2. Carlos Santana
3. Bob Welch
4. Dave Stewart
5. Kenny Rogers
6. Ricky Nelson
7. Bobby Brown
8. Chris Brown
(Michael/Mike Jackson, John/Johnny Oates a judgment call).
Don't forget Dave Clark.
Ringo Starr? Namesake of Bart.
In a different kind of ball game (soccer), back in 2012, Tottenham Hotspur's Aaron Lennon was on the opposite team to West Ham United's George McCartney.
@@edgustafson Kenny Rogers almost cost the Yankees the 96 World Series. Jim Leyritz bailed him out.
@@davidellis5141 Kenny Rogers got my Detroit Tigers to their first World Series in 22 years, so I give him props for that.
@@edgustafson The Tigers took out The Yankees 3 times in that period 2006- 2013.
I think Stevie Nicks has one of the most beautiful voices of all time! I'm not huge into Fleetwood Mac but she has a handful of 10/10 songs both in Fleetwood Mac and in her solo career.
One’s appreciation and fair recognition of the Green era seems somewhat dependent on what side of the pond you’re from: Albatross, Man of The World and Oh Well (Part 1) and Need Your Live So Bad we’re huge hits in the U.K. and still receive a lot of exposure on film, radio and television, there. This incarnation barely registered stateside, so it is understandable that a casual music fan from the U.S. wouldn’t resonate with that period of Fleetwood Mac. The Nicks/Buckingham era was popular everywhere, but especially in the states. From ‘75 onwards, they’re pretty much an American affair, I’d say.
In General , Mick & John are the most unheralded members of the band yet they are the longest serving & The Band is .. Fleetwood Mac ! Props Earned.
1: Christine McVie
2: Stevie Nicks
3: Lindsey Buckingham
4: Peter Green
5: Bob Welch
6: Danny Kirwan
7: Mick Fleetwood
8: John McVie
9: Bob Weston
10: Jeremy Spencer
11: Bekka Bramlett
12: Billy Burnette
13: Dave Walker
14: Bob Brunning
15: Dave Mason
16: Rick Vito
Couldn't agree more with your views of Lindsey Buckingham & Christine McVie, as well as Stevie Nicks. I am not a big fan of Stevie's solo career. Lindsey is criminally under rated as a guitarist. His solo releases "Out Of The Cradle" and "Seeds We Sow" are 5 stars. Any fan of his must check out "Countdown" performed on Letterman - insane!! It is on youtube, Letterman's reaction afterwards is priceless. I went to see Tina Turner in '92 or '93 because Lindsey was her opening act, and was blown away, seeing him live. Years later, I was able to see Fleetwood Mac, unfortunately Christine Mcvie had retired from touring durng that tour. And not to make you guys too jealous, but I was blessed enough to see the "Behind The Mask" tour. Actually not a bad evening, first time seeing them live, as well as Pat Benatar, who opened the show. As I mentioned on your Mac album video, Bob Welch's solo LP "French Kiss" from 1977 is well worth a listen.
You are right about "Out Of The Cradle". Such a great album.
Completely agree with Jason, Christine Perfect is the absolute #1
On musicians with baseball player names, one of the guys I hung out with at open mic on an almost weekly basis from 2005-10 was named Mike Schmidt, who is probably a technically good enough guitarist to be able to play Fleetwood Mac songs (although he goes by the name J. Killington Stowe III on social media 😂).
My two favorites are Spencer and Kirwan. But not based on just Fleetwood Mac. Love their voices and guitar sound. There were lots of great artists within The Family on all their Heaven's Magic productions so Spencer does not really feel like a star there even though his contributions are very welcome. And the second side of Spencer's Flee album from 79 is very enjoyable. Kirwan did a lot more for Fleetood Mac. And then 3 fairly enjoyable solo albums afterwards.
I know all of those solo albums. I found the Flee album long ago on LP in a one dollar bin and since I never found the CD I even ripped it to lossless files and saved it on CD.
There was something in the chemistry of Fleetwood Mac that brought out the best of those guys. Neither those two nor Bob Welch could make it on their own.
(In my opinion, those solo albums can all be filed under what today is called Yacht Rock - the boring kind. Fleetwood Mac often were close to it but always retained some class.)
It's hard to see Spencer being placed above Green. Obviously i'm a bit of a Green fan. But Spencer isn't really a songwriter. He only wanted to play either Elmore James style slide blues or 50s rock'n'roll, so his songs are copies of those two things. And while his slide playing sounds good, he really only plays that one thing. He's the reason there are 4 songs with the same intro on the 2nd record. When Green's songwriting starts to branch out Spencer doesn't even play on those songs. Green and Kirwan do a lot of interesting back'n'forth while Spencer plays marracas. Green's singing and playing are more dynamic and more nuanced. Again... i know, i'm clearly a Peter Green fan. And it's easier to pick up on what he does well on live stuff, including TV appearances where you can see them in action. The much bootlegged Live In Boston record from 1970 that unfortunately got shelved when Green had his mental breakdown really shows where that version of the band was going. (okay, i'll stop now).
Green was clearly better than Spencer. - Joe
Can't believe y'all did Peter Green like that
🥱
Peter Green is a great guitar player and perhaps a better songwriter, but Lindsey Buckingham simply is on another level, all things concerned.
The Green Manishi, Man Of The World, Albatross, Black Magic Woman, Oh Well and Need Your Love So Bad are all classic singles, but let’s not get ahead of ourselves here.
The way I see it is that some will always champion the obscure above the most popular no matter what.
The curse of ‘credibility’.
Christine is my sentimental favourite.
She was critical to the success of the Fleetwood Mac. She wrote twice as many hits as Stevie and Lindsey combined.
Question for you guys. Which version of 'Sentimental Lady' do you like better? The original Fleetwood Mac version on Bare Trees, or the version on Bob Welch's first solo album French Kiss that features Mick Fleetwood, Christine McVie and Lindsey Buckingham.
Bob Welch’s -Jason
At first I was 😮 by Jason’s no 7 but when he explained why, I actually saw why
There is a recording from 12/15/74 with only Bob Welch on guitar that proves he could hold his own on lead guitar, and then some.
Was so hoping you guys would do “Ranking the members” for side 3. Great job on all these. You guys know a lot more about a lot of artists than I do, but If there’s one thing I do know, its Fleetwood Mac and you guys pretty much “got it”, other than under rating Green a bit, and being overly hard on Burnette and Vito, BTM, and Time. Check out some live clips of Vito tearing into Peter Green’s blues stuff in the late 80’s. You forgot to include the screens with your printed lists and your averaged lists? I can live with either Christine or Lindsey in the #1 spot but Christine gets the nod in my book for her longevity, consistency, and overall volume of great songs.
1. Christine McVie (the songs, the hits, the voice, the tenure!)
2. Lindsey Buckingham (the vision, the production, best guitarist ever!)
3. Mick Fleetwood (the tenacity, the drumming)
4. Bob Welch (kept em going in the wilderness years, underrated)
5. John McVie (the bassing, the attitude)
6. Stevie Nicks (the popularity, the poetry)
7. Peter Green (that guitar sound)
8. Danny Kirwan (created some great moody songs)
9. Billy Burnette (great singer, songwriter, underrated)
10. Rick Vito (great guitarist, best outfits!)
11. Bekka Bramlett (wonderful soulful vocalist, hated for no reason!)
12. Jeremy Spencer (important early on but does not resonate with me)
13 Dave Mason (good songwriter, but zero influence, and only on Time)
14 Dave Walker (one good song- the Derelict!)
15 Bob Weston (hard to say- he didn’t do much- co vocals on “Did you ever love Me”?, nearly broke up the band by having affair with Fleetwood’s wife)
Horses for courses, of course, and if we all liked the same artists to the same degree, there’d be nothing to discuss or argue about, but such a low rating for Peter Green, especially if we’re talking about contribution to the band, is scandalous! I initially got into FM through Jeremy Spencer’s incendiary slide playing, but Peter Green’s guitar work is exquisite. He and Danny Kirwan took the band from a very good pub blues band to one writing masterpieces like Albatross, Man of the World (one of the saddest songs ever), Oh Well and the frightening Green Manalishi in a couple of years. Who knows where they’d have ended up had he not succumbed to mental illness. The mind boggles. There’d
probably never have been a Buckingham/Nicks era, which would have robbed the world of some amazing pop music, some of the best. Maybe he had to leave for the band to metamorphosise(?) into the Rumours band, but given what he did, what he wrote and what he played and ultimately what his departure eventually led the way to, I’m amazed he is ranked so low. Again, just my opinion.
How is this not a Lindsay Buckingham trifecta???!!! Jason you’re killing me!
I love Lindsey but he Christine was there from almost the beginning and she was consistently excellent. -Jason
@@TastesLikeMusic I can’t argue with that, I love her as well. I’m just gonna ask this, Would you guys be even doing an album, song, and member ranking if Lindsay Buckingham doesn’t join Fleetwood Mac? As always, love the videos! Keep it up!!!
Buckingham is a very underrated Acoustic player in my opinion. On one of Fleetwood Mac's Live albums (I believe it was 'The Dance'), he does a rendition of Big Love with just his Acoustic Guitar, and it is my absolute favorite version of the song. Also, I 100% agree with you guys about Mick Fleetwood and John McVie, such an amazing rhythm section.
Nicks best songs are a full tier better than Christine McVie's to me. I'd easily go Nicks, Buckingham and then McVie for top 3.
She didn’t have enough songs to warrant her being number 1. - Joe
@@TastesLikeMusic For me she saved the albums after Rumors from Lindsey's excess. Politics kept her from putting more songs on albums as well when she was clearly the best songwriter and singer. Silver Springs is excellent and relegated to a B-Side
McVie was not in initially as he had a fulltime gig with JMBB (as did/had both PG and MF) and with that a regular wage, he did not want to jeopardise this with Pete's new band. He did play on the 2 tracks recorded during the studio time PG was given by JM for his birthday, both excellent tracks, one being called "Fleetwood Mac" and the other Drifting
"Mystery to me" I see what you did there, Joe haha.
yah i caught it and put it in my comment , but seemed to slide by the guys!
I've really enjoyed Fleetwood Mac week, and if I've learned nothing else, I've finally grasped the correct American pronunciation of Bucking-Ham. If the need ever arises I'll remember to say it like that, rather than the English way we'd pronounce the name of the place and palace, i.e Bucking'm. Cheers:)
Thanks for recognizing Christine. I thought I was the only person who liked her more than Stevie Nicks, who I really don’t much care for.
Not much point in ranking those that had minimal time or impact in the band, so my list includes just the essential personnel, the top 9, and obviously shows my personal preferences.
9. Jeremy Spencer
8. Peter Green
7. Danny Kirwan
6. Stevie Nicks
5. Lindsay Buckingham
4. John McVie
3. Mick Fleetwood (Fleetwood and McVie have been there through it all, providing the solid backbone of the band)
2. Bob Welch (May be controversial, but I enjoy his music and contributions more than Buckingham/Nicks era
1. Christine McVie (More than anyone else, she represents Fleetwood Mac throughout all their stages, and has contributed the most).
Eight of these nine essential members were all included in the band's induction into the RnR Hall of Fame (1998). The only one that wasn't included was Bob Welch, an absolutely criminal omission.
Bob Welch rocks
1. Mick Fleetwood. Underrated and kept it together for all those lean years. Plus his drum solo during Not That Funny from '82 is hilarious ua-cam.com/video/2GIOO7IvbUs/v-deo.html
2. Lindsay Buckingham. One of my favorite guitarists of all time.
3. John McVie. Rock steady.
4. Stevie Nicks. So many classics
5. Christine McVie. Possibly the best songwriter in the band.
I'm hoping that a lot of people looked up and researched Bob Welch after that Family Guy episode that has those hilarious scenes when the characters realize that Bob Welch is dead, and then they're all just sitting or laying around listening to 'Sentimental Lady.'
Also, Bob Welch not being inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame with the rest of the band - How big of a crime was that?
I agree that Lindsey has contributed more than he gets recognized for and has an amazing guitar style and voice. And Christine has a lovely voice and and many great lyrics
Mick Fleetwood has to be top 3 I think, as he’s been the band’s leader (and main cheerleader) since at least Peter Green left, if not before then. Without his determination to keep the ship sailing I’m pretty sure Fleetwood Mac wouldn’t have made it to the Buckingham-Nicks era. (On the downside, we also got Behind the Mask and Time…) And this is before we consider his musical abilities…
Jason and Kramser should rank the 6 Bob Welch solo albums, which include original music. Big fan. He's by far the most underrated member of FM.
I like the lists, but I think Peter Green is ranked too low considering he contributed songs like Black Magic Woman, The Green Manalishi, Oh Well, Albatross and I Loved Another Woman. My ranking: 1. Christine McVie 2. Lindsey Buckingham 3. Peter Green 4. Bob Welch 5. Danny Kirwan 6. Stevie Nicks 7. Mick Fleetwood 8. John McVie 9. Bob Weston 10. Jeremy Spencer. The rest I don't really care.
Gotcha there Rolling Stone! Lol
Great lists. Buckingham and C McVie definitely top 2 for me.
I saw an interview with Christine McVie about 4 years ago, in which she said that her and John still got on well and it was his drinking that ended the marriage.
here goes
10 dave walker [ love savoy brown , so he makes the list]
9 stevie nicks
8 jeremy spencer
mystery for me clever joe ,
7 christine perfect mcvie
6 mick fleetwood
5 lindsey buckingham
4 bob welch
3 john mcvie
2 peter green
1 danny kirwin [ easy pick for me]
i posted yesterday , but again R.I.P . ronnie spector !!!
IM out like the raiders in the playoffs saturday in cincinnati !!
I'm taking the Raiders and the points,but think Bengals will win. As a Jets fan,I'm rooting for you guys to win it all! If the Bengals can win it,then maybe even the Jets can one day lol
@@painless465 lol tho the jets have 1 super bowl win the bengals have never won it ! bengals should win saturday but im nervous tho!
I like your high high ranking for Mick Fleetwood and John McVie! They are the one constant and the sound is so unique and leaves so much space for the arrangements. Peter Green 8? No way. Ask Eric Clapton about Green's playing or John Mayall or John McVie. Oh yeah- he wrote some great songs as well. I'd put Stevie in 4th place by the way.
I think we all know that Clapton has a lot of bad opinions. -Jason
.. or ask BB King, Green was one of the few contemporary blues guys he really rated.
Hey guys, love the channel and this fleetwood mac series has been a lot of fun. Would it be worth considering when doing ranking videos like this in the future to put pictures of the members you guys are talking about on the screen? I feel like it would be helpful in keeping track of everyone. Hope thats not rude, my add is just getting the better of me :/
We need to teach Kramzer how to do graphics first. - Joe
@@TastesLikeMusic I gotchu haha. It's all good
16. Bekka Bramlett
15. Dave Mason
14. Bob Brunning
13. Dave Walker
12. Jack Weston
11. Jeremy Spencer
10. Rick Vito
9. Billy Burnette
8. Peter Green
7. Bob Welch
6. Danny Kirwin
5. John McVie
4. Mick Fleetwood
3. Lindsey Buckingham
2. Stevie NIcks
1. Christine McVie
Enjoyed the three FM videos. Fascinating to see the trio rank albums and players they have no contemporaneous history with, who they went back and checked out for the first time. Agree with the comments below about the radical underappreciation of Peter Green -- that he was average, nothing special, etc. He's held in the highest esteem by countless top tier guitarists -- peers of his generation, older legends (B.B. King), and countless top tier guitarists to the present.
One thing to consider with Green, he was surely a great guitarist, but it didn’t often come through on the albums other than say Green Manalishi. - Joe
@@TastesLikeMusic Thanks, Joe for your note. I'm a huge fan of the channel. Did not hear much on this TLM post or the FM albums ranking post, about 3 other Green classics -- Black Magic Woman (the Santana covered classic), Albatross (#1 UK single) or Oh Well -- all departures from classic blues -- but originally released as singles and not included on all configurations of the early albums, e.g., Oh Well was the centerpiece of Then Play On after it was added to later versions. Green started/led the band and brought it to great success/acclaim in the early years (at least in the UK). All of this puts him above Welch, Kirwan, Spencer (in that order) and the short term stand-ins. So I put Green either at 5 (C. McVie at 6) or vice versa, with Buckingham, Nicks, Fleetwood and J. McVie unquestionably in the top 4 spots (perhaps in that order).
1. Mick
2. Christine
3. Lindsey
4. Peter
5. Stevie
I didn’t think anything was going to be worse than Kramzer’s pick of Fleetwood Mac self-titled at #9, but Stevie Nicks at #7? Just crazy. Maybe part of it was not being alive in the 70’s, let alone listening to music, but lower than Kirwen or Welch?
I wasn’t alive for the Kirwan or Welch years either but I realize that they’re amazing.
And they call themselves music experts. I for one have unsubscribed now
@@miaajaniss we do not call ourselves music experts - kram
I was around in the 70’s. I always thought Stevie was overrated.
I left Fleetwood Mac behind when Peter Green left the band. Never got into the "famous" Fleetwood Mac group.
This is the first ranking the members video I have seen, but I think you are underperfoming this concept in two ways.
First, I think you could do these a lot more, not just when there have been 20+ members. Rank the members of Rolling Stones, Black Sabbath (which actually did have quite many players over the years), Who, Queen, Iron Maiden, E Street Band, et cetera. This could very well be your permanent side three. Or have a month dedicated to it, similar to your March Badness, but call it Members May, where each week (or weekday!) you rank the members of a famous band.
Secondly, I think you are dropping the ball a bit by having three individual lists of your own. It works well in your main videos, because each of you has their own tastes and preferences, but here I think trying to achieve a consensus would work better. It would enable way more debate and discussion about the contributions of any single member, which is more interesting than just spelling out three different lists of names.
The way I see it, you start chronologically and then just ask if the next member goes above or below the earlier ones, and allow swapping at the end.
"Band member B, do they go above or below A? Okay, below. How about C? Below B, okay. And D? Between B and C? Alright. E? Between D and C." And so on, while giving arguments for or against the member, if there are any. You can allow ties too if you need to. "F plays drums very well, but does not compose songs, so they can tie with C or D." Besides, there are three of you, so in worst case you can just outvote the outlier.
Good thing is that most bands do not have 20 or so members, but rather maybe 6 or 7, with only 4 or 5 truly prominent ones, so these lists do not have to be super long. But I would be certainly interested in hearing the debate!
Not a bad idea. - Joe
Good idea…..let’s do Hawkwind…….lol
How are you guys ranking the members of Fleetwood Mac? Peter Green, who formed the band, should not be at number 8. B B King was quoted as saying that Peter Green is the only living guitarist to make him sweat. Jeremy Spencer played on 4 albums before running off, not 2. Christine McVie didn’t start in 1970 or 71, she was on Mr. Wonderful which was 1968.
How about 5 BEST FLEETWOOD MAC ALBUM COVERS?
Here's Mine:
1. Mirage (gorgeous "photo painting" of all 5 band members)
2. Bare Trees (John McVie took the photo)
3. The Dance (ok it's a live album, but it counts for the cover)
4.. Rumours
4. Tango in the Night
I like Penguin’s and Kiln House’s covers and also dig the weirdness of Mystery To Me.
A couple of other ones are quite problematic and even Rumours looks awkward with Mick wearing those… eh..
If it’s bad enough ranking Bob Welch ahead the legendary Stevie Nicks to make it even worse Jason says Danny Kirwan wasn’t a good songwriter or even in the best two guitarists but then ranks him in front of Nicks anyway. Absolutely nuts. Unjustifiable
The best and easily the most successful and well known are the classic line up.
Jason should be fired for that. - Joe
1. Lindsey Buckingham
2. Christine McVie
3. Stevie Nicks
4. Peter Green
5. Mick Fleetwood
6. John McVie
7. Bob Welch
8. the others
The TLM crew obviously got so wrapped up in defending their low placement of Peter Green and Stevie Nicks, they didn't have time to record a 1986 Songs of the Year video this week.
Hi eric - Yeah - what's up w that? :)
It’s coming
Thanks for doing this!
I love your channel,but I think you guys are crazy ranking Peter Green so low! Forget his guitar playing(yes he was the best guitarist the band ever had,listen to him live),but what about his songwriting!(albatross,black magic woman,closing my eyes,love that burns,man of the world,Oh well,green manalishi,the supernatural)
Peter Green introduced a completely different type of guitar player to the late 60s when everybody wanted to be faster, flashier and louder than the next guy. He was all about tone and mood and he created it with a few - the right - notes. That desperation in Green Manalishi, the hidden danger in Black Magic Woman or the effortlessly gliding majestic Albatros. Even non-musicians could feel his emotions painted in every of his songs...musicians even more.
Gary Moore dedicated a whole album to him (Blues For Greeny), Snowy White built his career on that tone, players as diverse as Mike Campbell, Mark Knopfler or Kirk Hammett name him as a major influence (Hammett even paid an enormous sum to get one of Green's original guitars). Carlos Santana saw Fleetwood Mac in 1969 and not only covered Black Magic Woman but also covered much of his approach (which was not so hard for him as both had their common roots in BB King anyway).
Not to forget that Green himself recovered in the late 1970s and started a second solo career with a number of classic albums (In the Skies, Little Dreamer, White Sky and many more).
@@roxannewalsh Did you hear how he got that out of phase tone? He accidentally put in his pickup backwards after cleaning his fretboard ,and decided to keep it that way. I think what is missing in these guys rankings ,since theyre only ranking albums and songs,is what a charismatic performer he was live. I'm too young too have seen him in his prime,but there is plenty of evidence on UA-cam. Jimmy Page said in the 60's"he's the best of all of us. Best player,singer and songwriter" when referring to the british guitarists coming out of the '60's. There is a story where he was jamming with Hendrix,and suddenly Hendrix stopped playing and stared at him,like he was transfixed. Apparantly,Hendrix likely very stoned,told him"man I need to touch your hair" lol
Guess you had to be there. I mean I can hear what the fuss is about after Green Manalishi but nothing else he put on tape gets me very excited. - Joe
@@painless465 There is something with these Young Americans (sorry, I just listen to that album) that is like a brick wall - Paul Rodgers is a bad singer, Peter Green a mediocre guitarist and Rush only made perfect albums. I forgive them all of this because they offer us the platform to express a different opinion.
I controversially had the Rush 70s era albums pretty low ranked if you recall. - Joe
Bob Brunning wrote the book Blues: The British Connection. Oddly, I just finished reading it today.
Did you guys ever do a comparison between Dennis Deyoung and the new Styx? If not, would you consider it? Very controversial topics.
I think Stevie Nicks should be higher on all your lists guys, especially Jason’s. Shocked by that. You can even mount a case she could be number one but id probably have her second or third behind Buckingham
Spot on, it made me really angry watching this, I feel they actually disrespected her in some ways, Stevie is a legend. Most real Fleetwood Mac fans know how important she’s been to the band. Way way more influential and successful than Danny Bloody Kirwan and Bob one hit wonder Welch
@@miaajaniss I would have thought it was pretty obvious too. Though I don’t feel quite as strongly as you I love your passion. I always defend my favourite artists to the death too
We just spent the last day getting harangued by Peter Green fans saying the exact same thing. She shouldn’t be number 1, let’s not get ridiculous. - Joe
@@TastesLikeMusic You guys are gluttons for punishment with these band member ranking videos. First, you piss off Glen Frey fans with the Eagles, now you're feeling the wrath of Peter Green and Stevie Nicks fans.
We saw this coming.
" REAL FLEETWOOD MAC FANS" know stevie is number 1
"REAL FLEETWOOD MAC FANS" know Peter is #1
"REAL FLEETWOOD MAC FANS" know Mic is #1
"REAL FLEETWOOD MAC FANS" know Lindsey is#1
... Everyone can't be right
TBH ..Stevie Nicks ..( 1976-1980 “gypsy “ Stevie ) ..she was / is Fleetwood Mac to me( regardless of however minor, overall songwriting wise her contribution was) …yes I get it , Buckingham’s an underrated guitarist , some sort of genius, the Mcvie’s , Gandalf the drummer , Peter Green , Bob Welch are great , Kirwan .. all that …but it was all about Stevie ( sigh) …😍…that’s it
Us true fans know you’re right
Lindsey Buckingham has to be #1. I think his solo catalogue is totally underrated. Would love you to do a LB album ranking if you haven’t already.
Green, McVie, McVie, Buckingham and Fleetwood are my favorites
Not even close. You guys dropped the ball.
No no, sir. We ARE the ball. Whatever that means - kram
Dave Walker was in Black Sabbath, when Ozzy left briefly, before rejoining for recording the Never Say Die! album!
There are simply things that do not fit
- Paul Rodgers in Queen
- Ian Gillan in Black Sabbath (although that was funny in a weird kind of way...)
- Dave Walker in Fleetwood Mac
- all those talented guys who joined The Band for their reunion
- Brian Robertson in Motorhead
@@roxannewalsh
Terry Bozzio in Korn!!!
Cult members ranked:
1. Ian Astbury
2. Billy Duffy
3. Jeremy Spencer
i have duffy at 1
@@bengalgangster The 🎸 on Love is amazing 👏
@@davidellis5141 you dont hear the name billy duffy enough at all
@@bengalgangster Him & Geordie from Killing Joke are really underrated.
i gotta admit i do not know killing joke!
This is hard. I’ll rank the six songwriters:
1. Lindsey Buckingham
2. Danny Kirwan
3. Bob Welch
4. Christine McVie
5. Stevie Nicks
6. Peter Green
And I really like Nicks. She’s great at writing lyrics and singing them but without Buckingham producing, her songs probably would not sound nearly as good.
So Stevie Nicks wrote 6 big hits the only number one hit they ever had and on a songwriting basis you’ve still ranked Welch and Kirwan ahead of her because of Buckinghams production. You do know how insane that actually sounds when you read it.
You seriously are underrating Peter Green. He wrote some of the best all time FM songs. Not just GM.
I don’t think he’d have a song crack my top 100 FM tracks. -Jason
@@TastesLikeMusic Oh Well, Black Magic Woman, Man of the World, Albatross, Green Manalishi!!!!!!!!!
@@TastesLikeMusic Hilarious and ridiculous comment for effect but that is fine if you prefer MOR soft rock. Oh Well, Albatross, GM, Black Magic Woman and a few others....Many people would have some of those in top 10. Many people.
John McVie in 1968: "Sure I'll play bass in your little band. Under one condition. We've got to do something about this band name...."
16) Bob Brunning 15) Dave Walker 14) Dave Mason 13) Billy Burnette 12) Bekka Bramlett 11) Rick Vito 10) Bob Weston 9) Christine McVie 8) Jeremy Spencer 7) John McVie 6) Mick Fleetwood 5) Lindsey Buckingham 4) Bob Welch 3) Danny Kirwan 2) Stevie Nicks 1) Peter Green
Without Stevie Nicks , Fleetwood Mac would not have been allowed to do Tusk & would be remembered as a decent yacht rock band. She was the 🌟.
Danny Kirwan and Bob Welch ahead of Stevie Nicks 😂🤣😅😂🤣😂
I can almost feel the collective outrage of the Peter Green purists 😅
I kind of see where Joe and Jason are coming from, where Stevie Nicks' contributions to the band are kind of minimal, but she really has some of my favorite FM tracks. Sure, there might only be one album's worth of material, but that's a 5-star album where every song rules.
Not a lot of cream, but still the cream of the crop.
I'm a guitar player myself and I love Lindsey Buckingham's off-the-beaten-path style. But I have to admit that, for songs, Stevie Nick's best ones are slightly better than Lindsay's best ones.
No one loves Stevie more than I do, but Lindsey was much more interesting. I’ll take Lindsey’s greatest hits over Stevie’s. - Joe
@@TastesLikeMusic I had more Lindsey songs in my top 10 and honorable mentions, so I'm inclined to agree with you there.
Hehe, ranking the members of FM.
Thanks guys, this is gonna be fun!!
🙃
Stevie Nicks is my fave and then Christine