The Guns: Inside Hell On Wheels
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- Опубліковано 12 вер 2024
- Whether it's the "pepper box" or the "blunderbuss", on-set Armourer Brian Kent discusses some of the Old West weaponry used by the characters of Hell On Wheels.
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How many of you are here cuz Brandon got you curious
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the first gun he called a griswald was a 1860 colt army and the second was a 1847 walker
1861 colt
+dogtroop515 my bad I had the year mixed up I thought the army was 1861 and the navy 1860
@@zachary666655 no you’re right 61 is navy and 60 is army, but the 61 navy looks like a smaller 60. More accurate for a “Griswald” would’ve been an 1851 navy instead.
All of you how much do you really know about guns ........you really scare me
The gun cullin used is a fantasy gun.. it’s a brass framed 1851 navy with an 1860 army barrel.. and they call it a griswold.. lol… they didn’t do much research cause they gun is iconic in looks.. and there wasn’t 100,000 made.. yes griswold waa one of the most produced but not that many.. man these prop masters should be prop apprentices.. and do some more research.. also the pepper box yes was successful, but the colt Patterson was the first successful mass produced revolver.. these guys really know their stuff lmao..!!!
The “ Griswold” that he pulls out the holster look more like a 1860 army.
Yep, as some have pointed out, that's a modern, brass-framed copy of the Colt 1860 Army made (most likely) by Pietta of Italy...not a Griswold or even a modern Griswold copy (which, by the way, you can get from Cabela's...they're not terribly hard to find). The real Griswold and Gunnison was a near-copy of the Colt 1851 Navy revolver, not the Army.
Good thing Bohannon switches to a Remington M1858 in season 2...those swappable cylinders save his arse in the robbers' raid!
And in a later interview this Brian Kent clown calls in an 1877 Remington😁who hired this guy?
0:43 Judging by the amount of brass framed revolvers in this show, when he says "research books" I think he really means his Pietta or Cabella's catalogues
A lot of confederate guns were built in brass, but that’s not saying much, because there’s not a lot of confederate guns
I concur.
The show takes place in the late 1860's NOT 1880's. Yes an occasional Blunderbuss might have been seen during that period. The pistol he held up as the "Magnum" was in fact a Colt Walker. The worlds most powerful handgun from 1847 till 1935.
AN 1880'S BLUNDERBUSS???!!!! YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME. That is a flintlock weapon that was obsolete by the 1830's. And nobody used blunderbuss's in the west. The correct would be called a SHOTGUN.
boone674 this is sorta late yes they did use flintlocks in the west but they were uncommon a blunderbuss sorta kept its value like you might find one or 2 in a city back then but u are mostly right that they would use a double barrel shotgun
The correct time period for HoW would be 1865-66, so it's a bit less out of date
1780s would be more like it.
O please people still like using old ass guns from a 100 years ago what’s not to say that couldn’t happen in the 1860 as they say same shit different day
i'm not convinced people were so rich out in the sticks that they could just roll over to their local cabela's and pickup on the latest trends. my friend likes to say the gun you have is better than the brand new one at the store
dont Grisworlds only come in .36?
Yes, that "Griswold" is an 1860 Army copy with a brass frame.
Yes. Only .36 but perhaps someone who is better informed on them can comment.
correct, the four largest producers (Leech & Rigdon, Rigdon & Ansley, Griswold & Gunnison, and Spiller & Burr) for the Confederacy all produced .36's (was the standard caliber for the time). There were various manufacturers that did produce .44's, but they were all copies of the 1848 Dragoon, and were produced in even more limited numbers than the 36's
Griswold is a copy of a Colt 1851 navy but with a few differences, G&G is brass framed, round barrel and no engraving on cylinder.🔫🤠
@@wildbill6976 I don't think the southern steel would've handled a .44 cal charge very well either
They should've had Ian McCollum from Forgotten Weapons do this guys job...
The historical accuracy gun-wise would be through the roof
I mean yeah I agree but then they might just be overcompensating if he were to do this ngl tbh.
Why? Ian doesn't know as much as you think
Hell I've 1/182 of the knowledge of Ian and I could have done a more accurate job...
Alec Baldwin was a consultant for this clip
Blunderbusses’ Flared end was for ease of loading not to make the shot scatter
The flared end on a blunder buss is not to spread shot its to make faster reload.
you are right
Francis Allen Thank you for confirming my comment
harry joe Can actually refer to it as more of a funnel. Once the shooter ran out of shot, they would then load anything they could, such as nails, rocks, broken glass, or a bundle shot ( small sharpened rods tied together to come out as mini spears)
Lead on Steel that was not a good practice however as that would tear up your barrel it was very rare for someone to run out of shot yet still have powder left over.
YOU DO NOT POUR BLACK POWDER directly from you powder flask into any firearm. if you had a hot ember in your gun still it would ignite and now you have a handfull of EXPLOSIVES basically. you always use a Powder measure to pour into any black powder firearm.
I still can't get over the fact that they had everyone carrying 1866 Winchesters in a show set in 1865...that's kind of a huge oversight. Also the Griswald and Gunnison only had just over 3,000 produced before the plant was blown up...not 100,000.
I don't know how this guy got this job, but a gun historian he is not, by any means.
bluesman1063 , amen. They got a lot wrong on this show
David Sharpe the Trapdoor Springfield if I’m not mistaken was not around when Elam carried one
@@swampboogierebel8602 In the 1880s for example black powder revolvers were obsolete
When the went to show the Griswold and Gunnison it look like they held up an 1860 Army and then it turned into a Colt Walker, at least that was my take on it. I didn’t see the Griswold the first time.
@@leroyhovatter7051 Black powder was used up until the early 1900s as far as cap and ball revolvers, most were converted to cartridge but still used black powder. this guy who did the guns for this show is a joke.
You should NEVER EVER load directly from the horn or flask. You should NOT be demonstrating dangerous methods on public media.
Keith.
+Keith H. Burgess Those flasks have a shutoff valve between the measure spout and the reservoir. You up end it with your finger over the spout, press the lever, then close it again ant turn the flask right side up again, and thats how you measure your 30 grains of powder, by design. But the valve in the flask cuts it off from the spout, preventing fire from going into the reservoir. I think youre confusing the rule of never loading directly from a powder horn, which is an unsafe practice
@@ryann5247 You are correct. I’m so paranoid though that I only load my 1851 Navy with pre-made paper cartridges and don’t bring any kind of horn or powder container anywhere near the range. Have you seen Brandon Herrera’s latest “Darwin Awards” video? A guy sets off a mini cannon and an open container a few feet away goes up in flames.
“100,000 Griswolds made” lmao buddy, try a hair over 3,000
yeah he was also wrong by saying the Griswold was Cullens gun the whole time. Try 1st episode.
Thank you! Somebody caught it!
Jerad Burns Music Yep, just like first season of Walking Dead when Darrel rode a Triumph. Next season the cool factor went way down, with the Harley. I think he started getting a bit of a gut then, too. Comes with the bike.
3,700 not a hair it’s closer to 4,000.
Not to mention it's not even a griswold it's some kind of Remington
I've watched the first 2 episodes now. & have caught 2 anachronisms in regard to firearms so far. First, after shooting the fellow in the confessional, characters are reading a newspaper account of the shooting which refers to the murder weapon as a Griswold...there's no way they could have known that. The Confederate Griswold & Gunnison revolver fired a .36 cal. round, the same as a Colt Navy or any of dozens of other percussion revolvers at the time. They hadn't the ballistics technology at that time to tell what make of gun a bullet was fired from. In the 2nd episode, Bohannon refers to blowing up Yankee trains with "black powder". No one called it that back then...it was simply called gunpowder, as it was the only kind there was...
Dude CSI already had very advanced labs by the 1860s. Haven’t you watched The Wild Wild West?
I'm a huge fan of the show... But how did Brian Kent get that job? What research book did he use in order to gain "historical accuracy" and justify using a brass frame 1860 army (a fantasy gun that never existed in history and was produced in the 1970's by the Italians and is a replica of nothing) as a Griswold and Gunnison? Not even the right caliber. G&G's were .36 caliber (not .44 like the fantasy 1860 army he shows us) and similar to the 1851 colt navy, but not really copies. G&G's were brass frame with a dragoon style barrel assembly. They don't even look like the pistol Brian claims to be a G&G. Pull it together man. Gee whiz...
+Zach Peters America, despite what many would think, is so ignorant of firearms, firearm use and firearm history that it is frightening.
Zach Peters You should have seen the behind the scenes on the movie Looper. The people who designed the props called a shotgun a rifle. The left wing does control most of Hollywood, and for the most part they are ignorant to guns.
I like how he describes that flintlock, brass barreled blunderbuss that looks to be from before or around the revolutionary war as an "1880s" blunderbuss
And also, "That distributes the shot in a wide dispersing pattern." No, it doesn't. It was designed to facilitate ease of loading.
I also liked the description of the caplock, 'The flame goes through the hole, and ignites the bullet.' Very professional description.
Zach Peters This was the exact comment that I was going to write, almost word for word. It's amazing how Hollywood operates.
At around 2:00 he says they made 100,000 Griswold's during the war but I'm pretty sure they only made around 3,700 before the plant was destroyed
Also, 1880?
The US Army Adopted the 1873 Peacemaker and Scofield by 1880.
Cartridge guns would be becoming more common place than cap and ball.
Finally the US Army in the show always have Winchesters but the Army never adopted the Winchester and chose instead to retro fit the Civil War muskets into Springfield Trapdoor Rifles in 45-70.
They hired the wrong “historian” lol that’s not like a Griswold like I’ve ever seen
They sure as hell didn't make 100,000 of them either. Just think they're probably paying that moron six figures and he can't tell an 1851 Navy from an 1860 Army from a Griswold & Gunnison. Also the blunderbuss isn't flared for shot dispersal it's flared for easier rapid reloading of shot.
He got paid though.
I miss this show
Dudes talking about a griswold while holding a colt walker 😂.
that is not a griswald thats an 1860 army
General Lee, I just seen this video and that was my take on it. The first gun he held up was the 1860 Army, and then they held up a Walker when they was still supposedly talking about the Griswold. By the way General, it pains me to see they’re tearin down all your statues down south. People today will never know what it means to be Southern. It’s about heritage not racism. It’s about cane poles on the riverbank and ice tea. The smell of baked peach cobbler cooling on the window seal or the smell of fried chicken after church on Sunday. Midweek going to town to get a haircut and listen to the old men talk about who was gonna be in the reinactment this year and talk about how things used to be. Afterwards walking to the dimestore to get some yarn for grandma but not forgetting to sit on the diner side to eat a hotdog and have a bottle of coke. Maybe stop and watch the kids play ball at the little league field with the smell of freshly cut grass. Then come home and relax in the rocking chair on the porch and brag about the breeze that comes by every 5 minutes as you hear The Andy Griffith Show play on the TV through the screen door. Might even break out the 1851 Navy and say “ I might use old Johnny Reb in the reinactment this year.” It’s a heritage not racism.
The U.S. military was never issued with Henry rifles. There are just too many in the series, they were very expensive for most civilians as was ammunition. The 1860 Colt Army was never made with a brass frame. Love the show but more research could have gone into the guns of that time. Of course most viewers wouldn't notice.
They most certainly were issued henry rifles, and there are even accounts of a few soldiers who weren't privileged enough to be issued one spending their own money to buy one. The guns were issued as early as 1862 in small quantities. A confederate soldier is famously quoted as saying that it's a gun you load on Sunday and shoot all week. Further, Union Major William Ludlow mentions the Henry in detail during the battle of Allatoona Pass- “What saved us that day was the fact that we had a number of Henry rifles. This company of 16 shooters sprang to the parapet and poured out such a multiplied, rapid and deadly fire that no men could stand in front of it and no serious effort was made thereafter to take the fort by assault.”
***** There were about 1700 Henry's purchased by the military during the Civil War. They were not issued in the time frame of this series nor were they ever issued again. At the start of the Sioux Indian wars in 1866 the infantry was issued with the muzzle loading Springfield, any repeaters were Spencer's. By the 1870's it was the Trapdoor Springfield. The only lever action issued after that was the 1895 Winchester in 30-40 Krag which didn't last very long before the bolt action Krag was used. But yes, you are right about some usage of the Henry during the war.
I think that was a Griswold 1851 which was a Colt clone with a brass frame.
The 80's were a hell of a time! 1980s or 1880s!
The correct time period for HoW would be 1865-66
There sure seems to be a lot of errors from this guy from just listening half way. First, he says the Griswold & Gunnison (aka, "Griswold") was the "magnum pistol of the 1880s." Where do I start with that gaffe-laden sentence. The show is set in the 1860s, not '80s. The Griswold was a .36 cal. copy of the Colt 1851 .36 cal. ("Navy Colt") which was the most favored pistol of the War Between the States, but only made by Colt... in CT. Griswold simply copied this winning design.
Secondly, this guy just cavalierly states that "there were only a 100,000 of these made." In fact, the number seems to be just under 4,000! It was a tiny factory in GA that was overrun by Sherman in late 1864. They did not have the capacity to crank out 100,000. Colt themselves only made about 250,000 of them from 1851 through 1873.
Thirdly, since the caliber chosen for the Griswold was the most popular on both sides in that war -.36 caliber, it clearly was not the "magnum" of the 1860s (though he goofs and says 1880s). That honor would have been given to the other Colt of WBTS popularity - the Model 1860 .44 caliber. What has him in knots is that they for some reason made Bohannon's Griswold from a Model 1860 .44 cal.!
They could have simply ordered a Griswold remake from Cabelas!
Love the show, though. (handling of Elam and Ruth pretty poorly thought out, imho, though)
Well when they show him speaking of the "magnum pistol of the 1880's" they show him holding a Colt Walker.... Which was the most powerful handgun on earth for nearly 90 years [the Walker held this title from its release in 1847 until the release of the .357 Magnum in 1934].
+Alan Schulte Yeah, I noticed that too. The walker really stands out.
+Alan Schulte Which is funny, because everything I've ever read about the walker tells me you'd be better off staying away from it. I've read that nearly third of them failed(exploded) during battle operations.
OpenMawProductions
Hmm.... I've never heard of that before. I would imagine that loading too much powder would cause that. I'm sure that Colt and his people knew what they were doing when they said the max load you could put in it was 60 grains of [black] powder.
+Alan Schulte It's really a question of metallurgy. The Walker was made in 1847 using older methods of construction. The cylinder held a charge of around 60 or so grains and could not always handle the pressure of firing.
The propmaster didn't do his homework, presenting a flintlock blunderbuss or a percussion revolver as an 1880s weapon is totally wrong. In 1880s cartridge firearms were already widespread, flintlock was outdated in the first half of the 19th century, percussion systems were being converted to cartridge or replaced by newly manufactured cartridge repeating systems by the end of 1860s. At least get your facts right before going on TV.
Shaddie Diab the show was set in the late 1860's and 1870's so actually some of the guns are anachronistic because they had not been invented yet. I'm not saying your wrong on the blunderbuss. Little known fact, while civilians loved cartridge guns because of their reliability, some old war veterans preferred the percussion pistols as it was easier to remove the cylinder and put a loaded one in rather than reloading a cartridge revolver one bullet at a time.
Well, quite actually, percussion revolvers were still pretty common in the 1880’s. One, a colt cost like $25, but an 1860 army, or 1851 navy was like $5, with cartridge conversions being around $15. Plus ammo was also expensive. Unfortunately Hollywood has colored our perception of how prevalent cartridge guns were up until the late 1880’s/1890’s.
@@echosierra9990 Cartridge guns were common in the 1880s, but they were still black powder, not smokeless.
1880s flintlock blunderbuss????? Griswold is the "magnum of the 1880s"??? I don't think so!!!!
Henry B. Crawford no they are right. And it was the magnum of the 1800s.
Yeah, an 1880s flintlock blunderbuss. Like a 2021 Sopwith Camel. Or a 1940s Napoleonic ship-of-the-line. Makes sense.
@@bkajra No it wasn't lol that would be the colt walker
@historyandhorseplaying7374 the Brown Bess is the precision rifle of WWII 😅
unbelievable show. Thankyou AMC!
1880's flintlock blunderbus huh? Good job handling that job you squirrel.
And the muzzle of the blunderbus was bell to facilitate loading, it didn't have anything to do with shot spread
the best thing about this series that no other movie or show has, is the ballistic crack from a bullet coming by you.
If I'm not mistaken, the Griswold was a knock off of the 1851, not 1860. The Griswold Bohannen uses most of the time is legit, but other characters are often using brass 1860s (which didn't exist) and there's one during the opening credits sequence.
Correct. It was a clone of the 1851.
I love this show so much…. Thank you for this master piece
There was a cartridge gun used during the Civil War, the Spencer repeating rifle!
The "Griswold" Brian Kent has in his hands at 2:30 is not a Griswold but a Colt Walker, an earlier very big cap n ball revolver produced in the mid to late 1840's by Colt. The Griswold was smaller, very similar, almost a copy of the Colt Navy but was identified by the lovely Brass frame and it was made by Griswold & Gunnison. So happy they gave Cullen a Griswold as they are rare and in my opinion a wonderful piece of history fitting a former Confederate. Now we unfortunately only see him using it in the the first episode, after that the revolver we see him use is an 1860 Colt Army. Not a terrible weapon choice but the Griswold was more appropriate and changing it was rather odd and I can't see a reason for it, they could've at least given him a Colt Navy with a brass frame because both are virtually identical.
Now the Pepperbox Durant has was specifically an Allen & Thurber Pepperbox and was double action(cocking the hammer after every trigger pull) not single action(manually cocking the hammer before pulling the trigger) which is what Kent has and demonstrates on screen.
Lastly the "1880"s Blunderbuss"... First off, date is WAY OFF, by the time of the show taking place that weapon would've been at least 50-100 years old because by the 1840's percussion caps were already replacing flintlocks, we're talking about a weapon pirate/privateer boarding parties used during the Golden Age of Piracy, 1650's to 1730's, and flint lock firearms like that were rarely ever in use post Civil War. While it's possible that people at that time could've had a Blunderbuss or other flint lock firearms, they were VERY obsolescent. In fact cap n ball shotguns were more regularly seen like the Swede's sawed off double barrel "Beauty". Of course, firearms then, like today, were not exactly super affordable so hand me downs were common place.
Soldiers coming back from the war, Confederate and Union had their own guns from service... well not all Confederates, some records stated that many were forcibly disarmed and were sent home without a firearm to defend themselves and their families, or for hunting. You can imagine the problems many had with that. Some went home with their gear without that happening obviously. Also to note on the Blunderbuss, I don't recall seeing that anywhere on the show, so mentioning it was very pointless.
In this era, even the cartridge-firing lever actions would be shooting black powder. Smokeless powders weren't widely used in the US until around the turn of the 20th century.
They chopped some stuff together. The Griswold was a 36. So it wasnt "the magnum of the day" that was a Colt Walker they were showing. Two different weapons.
I love this show. I learned how to shoot at the age of 14. I was used to modern pieces but fell in love with the old stuff. At first not as early as the show. I've been a collector of military surplus for many years. I got into the cap and ball arms several years ago. Of course a real piece would be out of my price range and you wouldn't want to shoot it anyway. They make very good replicas that come out of Italy and most are very good and pretty true to the originals. The armorer on this show has studied but does not know a lot or dumbed it down for this show. The metallurgy at that time, around or after the Civil War was not as good as today's as is well known. They are not nearly as reliable as a modern pistol but that was the technology of the time. That is why almost all states in the US do not consider them firearms. Unless you live in a few places such as New Jersy, they don't trust anyone with anything, or any of the horrible nanny state or Communist laws. Most are available to most of us. They are unforgiving in some ways and I wouldn't consider them real firearms by any means. They are fun but most people will tire of them easily as they are labor intensive to use and to clean. They make great looking pieces as decoration in your home.
Again, this show is wonderful and I highly recommend it.
For a weapons expert you literally got every gun wrong, how did you get hired?
Did he graduated from the Alec Baldwin School of Weapons Knowledge?
The fact that both of you are calling firearms weapons, shows how little you both know 💀
@@newman793 No one asked the peanut gallery.
Edit: I’m sure I have to explain that one, it means shut up retard.
Bohannen still has a cap and ball Remington.
But yep, they are a little early. The railroad reached cheyenne in 1867 so we know what year it is. The [very] first Colt and Reminton conversions appeared in 1868. They payed royalties to S&W in order to produce them.
The brass frame 1860 never existed, Real griswolds look different. But its still my favorite show. hehe
How did this bloke get the job, he is wrong about so much stuff. Half his luck, but some of what he is teaching can be dangerous. Anyone watching this, ignore the loading methods & DO NOT copy. Get advice from someone who is knowledgeable about old firearms before you start using one yourself.
Keith.
Style over subtance, common in tv production
1:19 even the rifles were black powder, smokeless wasnt until the 1880s
Loved the show, all the way through! 4 outta 5 Stars!!
Nice!. I just ordered a non-firing replica of the Griswold 1851 by Denix, I just wanted something to hold while watching old cowboy shows and movies, I might buy a real firing model down the road, but for now this will do. Point being, I just found out about this show while searching for information on which version Wild Bill Hickok used.
Hickock preferred an 1851 navy in .36 caliber and carried it in a sash if I remember right. Actually it was a brace of them.
@@Patrick-kb3hj I just got a fantasy 1851 in .44 and am amazed at how accurate it is, especially firing one-handed.
This is Hollywood, pretending to be experts, all I hear is farts. Lol
Griswold & Gunnison...Southern copy of an Colt 1860 Army. They used brass because the Confederacy was short of iron / steel and was easier to melt and do the initial pour, and work with hand files thereafter.
The 2nd one he held up was a 1847 Dragoon (A Colt, and the first of the large bore handguns with an actual trigger guard after the initial run of Patersons (the first) that had a fold away trigger. Early adoption by the Texas Rangers in their operations against the Comanche, but not necessarily something you want to wear on your hip for hundreds of saddle miles, hence they came with pommel holsters to attach to the saddle.
The 1866 Winchester, introduced in 1867, is quite accurate for Trans Continental Railroad. Union Pacific bought several thousand to arm it's survey, grading, and hunting parties just in time for the crossing of Nebraska and into Wyoming. (which this stretch was wild and open frontier past Ft Kearny, and only marginally secure around Ft Laramie near the WY border. This was even more so following the abandonment of the Boseman forts to the north of the line in 1868)
It was actually the UP contract that gave the newly incorporated Winchester Repeating Arms Co. a solid financial footing going forward.
Original Union Pacific rifles with company engraving and inventory numbers go for around ten grand or better.
A super obscure addition to the repertoire would have been 1866 Alin Conversions (the first "Trapdoor" US Army breach-loader) that made their way out there following the Fetterman Massacre in Dec of 1866, and effectively battlefield proven in 1867 at the Wagon Box and Hayfield fights along the Bozeman line. Problem is, no one makes a repro of the early Alins, only later model 73 Trapdoors.
It's nice that they make the attempt a period accuracy. far cry from the old days when Civil War armies were equipped for the screen with '73 Springfields and cowboys allegedly riding around in the 1870s / early 80s are running around with Model 1898s.
Not sure what you mean. The "Griswold" he held up is a Brass framed Colt 1860 clone. As produced by the South.
How is this their go-to guy for historical weapons? Maybe he's a nice guy in person, but he's made a complete fool of himself here.
It was a really good show
They did not get the firearms right in most cases . Close but no cigar . The gun Bohannon has on the show was a brass framed 1860 army Colt clone not a Griswold & Gunnison . A Griswold is a 36 caliber not a 44 like the one on the show . The Griswold replicas aren’t hard to find they could’ve done better . Still it was a great show .
On top of the screw ups with the Remington and Griswold, he holds up a Dragoon, the "little" brother of the Colt Walker which was even more powerful calling the Dragoon the "magnum". Also the Pepperbox was preceded by the Colt Paterson which, while delicate compared to others, was still the first practical commercial revolver long before the Pepperbox was around. Finally the blunderbuss was long obsolete by the time period in which the show is set. The flintlock firing system was obsolete before the War Between the States broke out much less by wars end. There were flintlocks used very early in the war however that was due to negligence and lack of foresight in the ordinance department. By this time muzzleloading shotguns had long taken the place of the blunderbuss.
True. And the powder needed to charge the primer (4F) would not have been available to the average person by the 1880s, nor flints.
They got something wrong, the Confederate Griswold revolver had an 1851 style loading lever with a rounded barrel profile. All they did was put an 1860 army barrel and loading lever on a brass frame and handle.
That blunderbuss is just... Elegant.
AMC ROCKS BRO
Well, there were other rifles like the repeater rifle.
No disrespect to the armorer, but frankly he seems to know the firearms (to a point) but not the history/times correctly. As someone else pointed out about the blunderbuss, that definitely was not used by 1880s. I imagine there may have been a few floating around (like today some people may have their grandpa's old .22 rifle or break action single shot shotgun, and thats the only gun they own and rely on). Also, this show's plot ended in 1869. He keeps referring to the 1880s. Im not sure why. I do really like what this gentleman said at the end about working with actors less familiar with firearms and making them safer with them. Given a more recent event with a certain actor in Hollywood, thats definitely important (especially since that person blamed the gun, when it was very likely his own negligence). I think he has good intentions, but I respectfully disagree with many of his points in this video.
when the robber shoots you in the living room 0:19
Maybe they got the guns wrong but I thought it was a pretty good show & hated to see it end
Red Dead
Wrong place to look for info.
0:54 of course she still shoots true, get any body in front of a dawn off shotgun with buckshot and there is no way on gods earth your missing
That's not a Griswold revolver, a Griswold is a Confederate copy of a 1851 Navy with a brass frame, not a 1860 Army with a brass frame.
Wish someone would make a "Griswold" pistol in a 357 mag / 38 special Cal. Cartridge
A flintlock in the 1880s? Not likely. Also, no cartridge conversions of percussion revolvers, that started right after the civil war. Also, colt made its first cartridge revolver in 1872, not many because the 1873 single action army became the most popular gun in the west. Many of them had become surplus and were sold to the general public. A lot of them would have been seen in the 1880s. I always thought this show was set in the early to mid 1870s because of the firearms used. I still really liked the series, mostly because of Bohannon.
Yes
I can tell he doesn't know as much as it seems, he thinks the flare on a blunderbuss is to disperse the shot pattern, what it's actually for is to make reloading it easier, it acts like a built in funnel
This guy take a UA-cam course ?
Thought they would use the actual arms thats black powdered. Idk figured they need a ball for it to be deadly but I might be wrong.
Thanks Brandon H
Nothing bugs me more than seeing a 1873 SAA and an 1892 Winchester in the wrong time period the movie portrays. John Wayne was good for this. Seeing brass frame revolvers that never existed is another thing I hate. Ride With The Devil did that. If you don't know the correct gun give me a call.
Opening of this video we see a man holding a brass frame remington under the table,,,news flash,,,Remington never made a brass frame revolver!
Yeah I feel cheated- I came here due to Brandon Herrera’s video and he never mentioned this was a fake-looking Remington!
If I'm correct most blackpowder weaponry was mostly knocked out in favour of Winchester repeaters, Henry Repeaters, Early Bolt Actions, Remington, Schofield, and Colt revolvers, and finally decent break action rifles by the 1880s. The only people that used Blackpowder weaponry in large use were the Native Americans, and even then it was the flintlocks, while the army used some, actually extremely few Blackpowder guns as most blackpowder firearms had been replaced with Cartridge using firearms.
Chance Brewer ALL guns until around 1890 were black powder. Bolt action rifles only appeared around the same time
Well black powder was still being used throughout the wild west. Wild Bill Hickok preferred a black powder revolver.
Black powder cartridges were used until the invention of smokeless powder...
The guy presents himself as a gunsmith, and he does not distinguish between a Grsiwold and an 1860 army wearing a brass carcass... In addition Pietta makes replicas of Griswold, nothing complicated...🤣🤣
The period correct firearms was what I liked best about the series.
0:35 He's talking about velociraptors.
They made 100 thousand Griswolds? News to me. I heard they only made about 3600 before Sherman burned down Griswoldville.
I love the guns of that time period. I don't know anything about them just love Westerns and think they are awesome.
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Why do they load cartridges into some of the cap and ball revolvers?
This Brian Kent guy needed to do some more research because he called a flintlock blunderbuss of a 1700s style something from the 1880s and he called an 1847 colt walker revolver the Magnum of the 1880s as well but the original production of the colt walker revolver ended in the 1840s for crying out loud so for someone claiming to be a historian of firearms he clearly didn't do much of anything for research
"Making sure they're period correct"... goes on to give the main character a revolver that didn't exist. Sure, he's supposed to be carrying a Griswold and Gunnison in 36 caliber, but they gave him a 44 caliber brass framed (only steel existed for this model) Colt 1860 Army. The pistol the guy was claiming was a rare Griswold and Gunnison was not even a firearm in existence. The barrel assembly looks nothing like the Griswold and Gunnison. Also, he claims there were 100,000 made before the factory was burned down -- how about 3,700ish if we want to stay in reality.
This guy is just blowing smoke!
How did he get to be an amorer?
What he is says is just for advertizing to the general public. Real gun guys know better. I like the show but i am a little disappointed in the prop dept. Why didnt they just order a G&G from Dixie?
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It was Griswold and Gunnison and less than 1000 were made be for the factory was blown up ?
Rust should have hired this guy
Okay so to be clear that’s not a griswold that’s an 1860 colt army chambered in 44. Ball a Griswold was a 36. Cal 1851 I can’t believe this is they’re so called expert
If I was half blind and squinted, that might look like a Griswold & Gunnison. I’m not, so it looks like an 1860 Colt with a brass frame. The Griswold was a copy of the 1851 Navy. Fail.
This armorer is a pro. Appears some sets get an armorer but not the pro.
1880s blunderbuss was flintlock? I don't think so.
These guys dont know their butts from a hole in the ground. 1880s blunderbuss? Lmao
The show isn’t historically accurate but it is authentic which I can appreciate. However…This guy literally knows nothing about 19th century firearms. In this video alone he mixes them up multiple times and even pulls out a blunderbuss? Like bro that’s like 17th or 18th century. By 19th(specifically around the time of the civil war) we had already invented shotguns or what they called “scatterguns”. It’s honestly nitpicking but if I was the show runner or a movie director I would want this guy as far away from my props as possible
"Sometimes predators were 2 legged not 4 legged" shows native americans wooooooow
Still only using percussion revolvers and yellow boy Winchesters in the 1880s? Time to get a new expert
No they did just like people still drive old cars and old guns or clothes or flip phones idiot wild bill still caried his 51 colts had it converted before he went to deadwood in 1876 millions were converted shoot bullets don't know much do ya army used ton too same springfelids were converted
the show is set in the late1860's-early1870's so most of their guns would be cartridge guns like double barrel break action shotguns and cartridge conversion revolvers not black powder.
Rajbir Dhadda cartridge guns did not become relevant to the general population until 1873 with the advent of smokeless powder. Being west in Indian country at that time, most would be carrying the cap and ball revolver or similar other arms. The Colt Peace Maker was a 45cal cartridge revolver that did not exist until 1873.
Cartridge guns were the best and latest tech. We do see and awful lot of 1860 Henry rifles, but aside from that, call and ball was so the most common choice in 1866-67
I watched until they had that evil guy strangle that little blonde. I wasn’t interested after that
Alec Baldwin be like 0:17
Where do you start with the historical inaccuracies on such an entertaining show? The armorers for the show were definitely not well educated on firearms history. The writing and acting was good. I was entertained and inspired by hell on Wheels.
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He hasn’t a clue as to the Griswold and Gunnison. There was only 3700 made. They were .36 cal made on brass frame, with a round barrel like the colt dragoon’s No such thing as a .44cal gunnison on a colt 1860 frame. How did this guy get hired?
By second season they got it mostly right
I think ken there might need to do a better job researching. The total number of Griswold revolvers made was nowhere near 100k
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No, hell on wheels even admits the brass 1860 never existed. the only brass gun that existed was the griswold.
Man, that was painful to listen to. 1880's flintlock blunderbuss? Magical changing Griswold starting as an improperly brass framed 1860 Colt New Army and then becoming a Colt Walker (though in fairness, that could be an editing mistake where they spliced in the statement about the "magnum" Walker into the comment about the Griswold. Though the Griswold was a copy of the 1851 Colt Navy in brass, not the 1860, so no points for you, Hollywood guy.
I loved Hell on Wheels and I appreciated that they tried more than most Hollywood shows to portray the era right after the Civil War, but plenty of mistakes abounded with the firearms. But the show was good enough that suspension of disbelief held for me for the most part.