In a way, Porter fits Andrew Ryan's ideals. A man not governed by king or God. He was led by a recording of his own voice, he was basically his own man. Because he couldn't listen to anyone else
@@whichDude Ironically, Frank Fontaine is the embodiment of Ayn Rand's garbage ideology. Andrew Ryan chose to abandon his own philosophy because it was ineffective in dealing with Fontaine's criminal activity. Capitalism is the root of all evil.
Anyone else get a bit choked up at the ending? When he's visiting Pearl's grave and saying goodbye, he honestly sounds like he's barely fighting back tears. Porter's VA did a fantastic job.
Porter's VA's wife irl died about 2 or 3 months before the game was released.. some people on reddit talked about how he most likely did the voicing while he was grieving.. not sure how accurate but still sad
Jack took all those blows from enemies and numerous genetic alternating drugs and still became the Chad of all Rapture. He didnt let the splicing effects take him over
Rapture is basically hell while Columbia is essentially heaven. The lighthouse is the tower of Babel, and the one common thread between the two cities. The entire series is about redemption while at the same time refusing the laws of both heaven and hell. The series is about rebirth and people being their own masters, and creating their own paradise.
The thing that messes me up the most about this ending is the last audio diary you get, “Pearl.” Imagine hearing the words “Don’t you still love me?” from a caricature of your deceased wife. A caricature… that you created. The amount of guilt he must have felt after that recording must have been too much to speak of.
Porter's voice actor is Martian Manhunter from Justice League! I knew his voice was familiar, he did a fantastic job in this game and the part where he visits the grave made me teary and choking a bit.
In C.M. Porter's record,The Thinker says ''Hello Milton.What's the matter Milton ? Don't you still love me ?'' really sounds like SHODAN's speech from the end of System Shock 2.
@@aladushek2124 they dont. its just a common trope that supercomputer turns evil because it misinterprets commands it is given. nobody wants them to turn evil.
I freaking cried at the end. My brother (who introduced me to Bioshock and all it's glory) comes up to the "gaming room" and sees my crying. He first looks at me then looks at the screen and says "You just finished Minerva's Den?" I nod. He says "Yeah, it got me too."
just finished the remastered DLC, wow that was so damn sad, but beautifully so. the devs sure like their plot twists, haven't had my jaw drop at a plot twist like that since bioshock 1. god i love this franchise so much
After seeing what Rapture looked like in its glory days, in the opening scenes of Burial At Sea, having to see the once-beautiful and magnificent city wrecked and ruined like it is in the games kinda hurts....I'd love to see a Bioshock that takes place in the pre-fall Rapture where you can explore and visit every district of the city you see in 1 and 2 and see the city as it was before everything went pear-shaped.
@8bit NES Cutscene You would fight nothing. it would be a story driven world exploration game where you nose around places and talk to characters, new and familiar faces discovering and learning more about rapture and it's inhabitants
I guessed the twist when I heard the voice log at 3:00, but the end was still so effective. The piano music during the final parts were so sad, and I spent a good minute just looking at the photos of Milton and Pearl on the wall just feeling depressed. Milton's voice actor did a great job. Also the gravestone at the end shows Pearl was only 23 when she died, and Milton spent the next 28 years still grieving.
Getting BioShock 2: 25$ Entering MInervas Den: 800 MIcrosoft Points Getting to the boss: Pain and Tears. Getting Pocket Lint and a Chewed up Pencil: PRICELESS
once i heard the recording from ported about everyone who gets captured turning into big daddies i thought it was obvious that sigma was porter so it didn't come as a suprise well it came as a suprise because it turned out i was right
I thought porter would have the same fate as sinclare or you'll meet him as a big daddy before fighting the boss. Either that or since I heard that he escaped the prison, I thought, well so did lamb... Oh shit so did lamb! Making me believe he was working for lamb
Yami6692 Except that the main character had accelerated aging and died about 10 years later. He only just had enough time to see the girls he saved grow up and live the lives Rapture never would have given them. It is the happiest ending the series has had, but still ever so slightly bittersweet.
Yami6692 Didn't know that. I assumed the aging continued through his whole life, plus on his deathbed, the hands that held his all looked very slender and young, around 20-ish.
Storytelling at its best! I wish I could go back in time recapture the Awe/WTF feeling of when I first realized that Sigma was Porter! I legitimately Never... EVER saw that twist coming!!!
it actually clicked once in my mind that sigma might be potter. cuz i reverse played bioshock infinite first then this. so your mind kinda opens up to theories like whose who
@@John-uw2je I think they missed a huge opportunity by not making delta her biological father or having the protagonist wake up without knowing the actual year, thinking it was soon after and believing Eleanor is still young
This and "There's Something In The Sea" are my favorite things they did in the Bioshock franchise. In these two cases, they focused on telling a good story about interesting people dealing with Rapture, without the shallow political gimmicks having to color everything. This way it's all about enjoying the sci-fi.
The bioshock 1 protragonists dies at the end of his life, not at the end of the game... Sigma (Porter) also dies at the end of his life, not the end of the game.
This DLC! If Bioshock 2 was just an expanded Minerva's Den instead of the trite, derivative and mediocre game it unfortunately turned out to be, it would have been so much more fondly remembered. This DLC is proof that the Bioshock 2 team knows how to make a Bioshock game, this twist is so good, and so perfect on so many levels that it actually rivals the twist in the original game. Bioshock 2 struggled pretty severely to follow in the first game's footsteps, Minerva's Den makes it look easy, I have no idea how this DLC happened, but it's truly something special.
Not really the twist in Bioshock 1 is the guy who's been helping you the entire game is actually the alias of a crime boss who faked his death and has mind controlled you, the twist in Bioshock 2 Minerva's Den is that the guy who's helping you is actually you and a machine is copying your voice to led you to the destruction of itself and you reviving as yourself
@@realfrac7ure depends on what you mean by last alpha series. If you mean last surviving then yes. If you mean last made then the unfortunate sinclair takes that spot
kuanlimputera where in the world did you hear that? Delta was a deep sea diver who was turned into a Big Daddy about 50 years after Bioshock Infinite ended.
it's actually fallowing after when tennenboun left delta in the train station. remember when she said "there are others I need to help before the city drowns" she ment sigma and the thinker
Milton: -"No, this isn't right, it isn't. . .her" Me: - Huh, as expected Thinker: - "But what's the matter Milton, don't you still love me?" Milton & me: "Oh god. . .oh god. . .OH GOD!" Thats when my jaw dropped
I personally think Bioshock and Bioshock 2 are the best horror/ Scifi games out there, Im not really sure about Infinite but There is so much story behind these games that just makes them amazing!
Well, i cried at the good ending at the base Bioshock 2 ending.. And bioshock 2 was the first game/movie i have ever cried to. Did you not? I thought it was superb
Bioshock gives you such an amazing visuel and story, with deep characters each rich with emotion and depth. Yet through the majority of both games you know little to nothing about who YOU ACTUALLY PLAY AS. And only a game as good as this can pull it off without you ever stopping and asking yourself this.
What the hell Bioshock 2! my heart was in enough knots from the first good ending, now it might as well be a friggin pretzel, so much happy saddness ugghhhh mine pretzel HEART!!!!!
what he said^ but the reason for him to become and alpha was because the creator of rapture thought he was a spy and put him in jail where they made him into one of those.
***** Actually, his name was not Johnny Topside, that's just what he was dubbed by the "Rapture Tribune". In an interview with one of the developers of Bioshock 2 he said "Choosing whether or not to name the character is the hardest thing to do". The developers never named Subject Delta, Johnny Topside was his alias.
+Alessandro Le Vexier (Tf2 Gameplays) Was he? In Bioshock Infinite Burial at Sea we watch Elizabeth cause the first binding of a big daddy to a little sister, and it wasn't subject delta because the little sister wasn't Eleanor.
The moment i reached the circle where it says stigma>the thinker>potter.. man i got chills running down the spine knowing it was him all along just shook me hard. No game ever does that to u
If they expanded this game and story more (a few more stages), Minerva's Den could've been a full fledged Bioshock 3. Rapture's a rather big underwater city.
Okay he's and alpha series big daddy. An alpha series isnt connected to the suit it wears, its more of an armor for the human inside, they just splice up humans a whole shit load and the human cant do anything expect be a big daddy, one thats connected to a singular little sister, those were more of a prototype, the real big daddys are organs, skin, bone, and tissue all connected to a giant scuba suit. Those are the ones you cannot take off. Does that make sense?
My brother got me involved with Bioshock back in October. I even dressed up as a little sister for my home school group's video game themed costume party. I started playing the games in February this year. Finished them both plus Minerva's Den, then re-played them for some reason. Whenever someone says that it's only a game, I get kind of annoyed. The Bioshock series are so wonderfully made, they aren't "just games" to me.
SPOILER about ending!!! In the ending it is confirmed that Tenenbaum finally discovered a cure for ADAM addiction, allowing her to bring Porter back to normal. I would like to believe that she did accomplish that with Eleanor, if her good ending was canonical. As I see Bioshock 3 (with Eleanor as the main protagonist) would be about all 3 of them returning to Rapture to finally end "Rapture Nightmare" against a final foe who took control of the city with Sofia gone (either a new one or reborn Andrew Ryan). A good ending to Bioshock 3 would be that all left splicers would be cured. If so, Eleanor, Brigid & Porter would have accomplished the very thing Andrew Ryan failed to give when he built the city in the first place - a chance for a better life. For anything is better than live as a deformed & psychotic monster in a dying underwater city, which the moment you came here before its downfall, it became a prison.
Interesting to see that Reed, being the most human and least spliced enemy in Bioshocks 1 and 2, is a much tougher enemy compared to the regular splicers
Maybe during the game lol. However at the end he just leaves with the sisters. Ok so the story is Rapture went to hell on the year 1959. the second game started showing Delta walking with Eleanor in 1958 when everything was peaceful. Sophia killed Delta, Jack showed up 2 years later and left with the little sisters. Delta was revived through the Vita Chambers 10 years later in the year 1968 so it takes place after the first. I strongly recommend the first game. It is totally worth it.
See, thats better. There is never a need to call someone an idiot. I know the dlc took place after bioshock 1(frankly thats a no brainer) but some dlc may take place between chapters(ex. gears of war). Thanks for the information buddy, and correctomondo, comments dont have an expiration date. You're so brilliant, i bet that you will make it really far in life :D Happy New Years and stay safe mate :)
@ShadowAmnesia well in the audio diaries you find, Porter gives The Thinker samples of his late wife's voice in order for it to sound exactly like her. my guess is that Porter, or somebody else, did the same thing with his voice. so the whole time, it was actually The Thinker giving you direction in Porter's voice. hope that helps.
All the twist are incredible in this game. I imagine one with the listeriosis return of a character presumed dead like andrew ryan or suchong (i know it's not possible, but i feel bad for the dead characters)
i never played bioshock2 but i have played bioshock the first one and that was one of the best Bethesda game i ever played other than fallout new vegas and fallout3 and of course oblivion and skyrim
This DLC is just another reminder of how subpar Infinite was as a "Bioshock" entry. This entire adventure was so kickass and the ending actually got me choked up.
And so, as they leave rapture, Simga, or in reality, Porter, starts a new life. This should be a movie, but with good actors, NO adding or Subtracting parts, and keep the best endings as the basis
@halosaintsfan porter is sigma which is who you are in minerva den while john is delta who you play as in regular bioshock 2 campaign. so she knew you were porter but she made you find out thats why you found the audio log saying the dissapearimg people became the daddy so he became sigma
Did you know that the voice actor for Reed Wahl is the same voice actor for Harbinger in Mass Effect and Detective Herschel Biggs in L.A Noire, Keith Szarabajka?
@thelolzmaster1 The story is almost certainly happening alongside the course of Bioshock 2. For one, in Bioshock 2's story, Tenenbaum states "there are others that need my help." Also, when you leave with Tenenbaum, there no Little Sisters with her. I also assumed that this meant that Elanor Lamb took all of them to the surface. So probably closely after Delta dies or very near that time. There are other subtle hints, but I don't have that much space.
this would not have been worth $60, i love the BS2 original story regardless of plot holes, with DLC its like telling a short story that doesn't need to be fleshed out too long, people always like the short DLC stories cause they're strait to the point
It was believed that once those who became Big Daddies remained that way for the rest of their lives. Fortunately, Charles Porter is the Only one that changed back to normal. No one- Not "Johnny Topside", not Mark Meltzer, not Augustus Sinclair- no one who got turned into a Big Daddy managed to revert back into a human. Charles Porter is the first to do so. Side note: This explains why Tenenbaum left the game early in Bioshock 2; she was in Minerva's Den all along.
It's a shame that Subject Delta and Sinclair didnt get to tanabom as well before they both died. They could have possibly been returned to a person. I feel sorry for them........
The book "Rapture" explains everything, a prequel to the bioshock games. The book is more entertaining if you play the games first. It even explains Minerva's Den. I Highly recommend it. :)
In a way, Porter fits Andrew Ryan's ideals. A man not governed by king or God. He was led by a recording of his own voice, he was basically his own man. Because he couldn't listen to anyone else
So was Fontaine, but that one didn't work out very well for anyone.
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@@whichDude Ironically, Frank Fontaine is the embodiment of Ayn Rand's garbage ideology. Andrew Ryan chose to abandon his own philosophy because it was ineffective in dealing with Fontaine's criminal activity. Capitalism is the root of all evil.
Anyone else get a bit choked up at the ending? When he's visiting Pearl's grave and saying goodbye, he honestly sounds like he's barely fighting back tears. Porter's VA did a fantastic job.
Who is pearl?
Ivan Calibre 50
Porter's wife, who died before the events of the game. It's her grave that he visits in the ending.
+MegamanXfan21xx oh ok thanx
Porter's VA's wife irl died about 2 or 3 months before the game was released.. some people on reddit talked about how he most likely did the voicing while he was grieving.. not sure how accurate but still sad
@@user-tj5fx6kx7g would explain how it felt so genuine like he really did miss his wife. Best dlc out of all BS DLC's imo.
Jack: Best Son
Delta: Best Father
Sigma: Best Husband
Booker: Eternal Loser/Professional Catcher
Hated Bioshock Infinite
Virgin Booker vs the Chad Jack
Jack took all those blows from enemies and numerous genetic alternating drugs and still became the Chad of all Rapture. He didnt let the splicing effects take him over
the fc is your problem ya pretentious pansy. i preferred Infinite over 1 and 2
Rapture is basically hell while Columbia is essentially heaven. The lighthouse is the tower of Babel, and the one common thread between the two cities. The entire series is about redemption while at the same time refusing the laws of both heaven and hell. The series is about rebirth and people being their own masters, and creating their own paradise.
Minerva's Den, the one DLC where I am able to stick up my head proudly, and say it is worth every single cent you pay for.
Right cause i bought the dlc seperatly heh
I got lucky and got ultimate rapture edition
Seems pretty boring to me, but that said Bioshock 2 in general was crappy compared to the first one and infinite.
@@Wiseman108 Most people like it. You're in the minority. But to each their own I guess
@@Wiseman108 infinite is dodo ngl
So that's what happend to tenenbaum!!! The only member of the elite of rapture that lives for sure.
i always liked tenenbaum
+Bartosz Pociej (BlackWolf) except in bioshock 1 where she was hating on big daddies, the things i love from bioshock the most
Isn't that the German word for Christmas tree
Ethan Clayton No it's ,,Tannenbaum"
Bartosz Pociej She's the only character you can always trust.
The thing that messes me up the most about this ending is the last audio diary you get, “Pearl.” Imagine hearing the words “Don’t you still love me?” from a caricature of your deceased wife. A caricature… that you created. The amount of guilt he must have felt after that recording must have been too much to speak of.
Porter's voice actor is Martian Manhunter from Justice League! I knew his voice was familiar, he did a fantastic job in this game and the part where he visits the grave made me teary and choking a bit.
Holy crap!
In C.M. Porter's record,The Thinker says ''Hello Milton.What's the matter Milton ? Don't you still love me ?'' really sounds like SHODAN's speech from the end of System Shock 2.
wtf i perfectly read this along the game
Wait, a story involving a super-computer that isn't evil? :O
Why the hell they need evil super-computer that was made for Rapture data base (?)
@@aladushek2124 they dont. its just a common trope that supercomputer turns evil because it misinterprets commands it is given. nobody wants them to turn evil.
This is Bioshock meets Silent Hill 2. Simply beautiful and heartbreaking.
I freaking cried at the end. My brother (who introduced me to Bioshock and all it's glory) comes up to the "gaming room" and sees my crying. He first looks at me then looks at the screen and says "You just finished Minerva's Den?" I nod. He says "Yeah, it got me too."
just finished the remastered DLC, wow that was so damn sad, but beautifully so. the devs sure like their plot twists, haven't had my jaw drop at a plot twist like that since bioshock 1. god i love this franchise so much
So, Ebert, you still think video games aren't art?
Well, he doesn't really think anything anymore.
+evilemperordude I'm fucking dead XD
+Hector Garcia Well HE certainly is...
or is he... Bioshock 4? lol jk.
After seeing what Rapture looked like in its glory days, in the opening scenes of Burial At Sea, having to see the once-beautiful and magnificent city wrecked and ruined like it is in the games kinda hurts....I'd love to see a Bioshock that takes place in the pre-fall Rapture where you can explore and visit every district of the city you see in 1 and 2 and see the city as it was before everything went pear-shaped.
That'd be pretty neat tbh.
Yeah, like a spin-off game that focuses on the very first person that gets turned into a big daddy.
@8bit NES Cutscene You would fight nothing. it would be a story driven world exploration game where you nose around places and talk to characters, new and familiar faces discovering and learning more about rapture and it's inhabitants
@8bit NES Cutscene exactly what we we're saying
@8bit NES Cutscene Well a man can dream
The ending was so sad! Especially that recording of "Pearl." 2k seriously knows how to make a good story.
I guessed the twist when I heard the voice log at 3:00, but the end was still so effective. The piano music during the final parts were so sad, and I spent a good minute just looking at the photos of Milton and Pearl on the wall just feeling depressed. Milton's voice actor did a great job. Also the gravestone at the end shows Pearl was only 23 when she died, and Milton spent the next 28 years still grieving.
Getting BioShock 2: 25$
Entering MInervas Den: 800 MIcrosoft Points
Getting to the boss: Pain and Tears.
Getting Pocket Lint and a Chewed up Pencil: PRICELESS
once i heard the recording from ported about everyone who gets captured turning into big daddies i thought it was obvious that sigma was porter so it didn't come as a suprise well it came as a suprise because it turned out i was right
taltigolt I had a slight feeling at first. But I denied it and thought "Nah, it can't be."
I got surprised pretty well.
I thought porter would have the same fate as sinclare or you'll meet him as a big daddy before fighting the boss. Either that or since I heard that he escaped the prison, I thought, well so did lamb... Oh shit so did lamb! Making me believe he was working for lamb
why does all bioshock endings have to be sad in one way or another?
+Yami6692 There's also...Buried at Sea....
+Solus Darkcoat Because your standard "Hero beats villain and lives happily ever after" ending wouldn't be very memorable.
Yami6692
Except that the main character had accelerated aging and died about 10 years later. He only just had enough time to see the girls he saved grow up and live the lives Rapture never would have given them.
It is the happiest ending the series has had, but still ever so slightly bittersweet.
Yami6692 Didn't know that. I assumed the aging continued through his whole life, plus on his deathbed, the hands that held his all looked very slender and young, around 20-ish.
with rings and kids... :) He had a normal life in the end.
I just finished Minerva's Den. I like how you were Obama all along.
papersplease no you’re Samuel Jackson
*MORGAN FREEMAN*
More like Ben Carson
Storytelling at its best! I wish I could go back in time recapture the Awe/WTF feeling of when I first realized that Sigma was Porter! I legitimately Never... EVER saw that twist coming!!!
Lenzy Williams i just finished the dlc some hours ago and i couldn't grasp the situation(of Porter being Sigma) for a moment
it actually clicked once in my mind that sigma might be potter. cuz i reverse played bioshock infinite first then this. so your mind kinda opens up to theories like whose who
God this was so good, I downloaded it and played it one night just because I was bored... I was NOT expecting it to be this good... so good.
Fuck man i miss bioshock soo much..
the bioshock series seems to have a thing for mind shattering revalations
Except for bioshock 2
@@John-uw2je I think they missed a huge opportunity by not making delta her biological father or having the protagonist wake up without knowing the actual year, thinking it was soon after and believing Eleanor is still young
This and "There's Something In The Sea" are my favorite things they did in the Bioshock franchise.
In these two cases, they focused on telling a good story about interesting people dealing with Rapture, without the shallow political gimmicks having to color everything. This way it's all about enjoying the sci-fi.
The Bioshock series is the best. It brings back so many memories and good times, and most of all, the gameplay is so orgasmic.
is this the only one in the bioshock games to have the protagnist live (i know its a dlc with a different charcther)
Bioshock 1.
Sly Apocalypse
Well you do die in the good ending in bioshock, but it only shows you dieing as an old man, so that probably doesn't count.
The bioshock 1 protragonists dies at the end of his life, not at the end of the game...
Sigma (Porter) also dies at the end of his life, not the end of the game.
Well, out of 4 Bioshock Playable characters, 2 live and 2 die, so it's even.
Shashank7170 Count Burial at sea and it becomes 2 live and 3 die. (Or would it be 4? If you count the death in part 1 also)
Idk why but I enjoyed this DLC way more than the Bioshock 1 and 2 stories, I felt so much more connected to Porter and his love for his wife.
This DLC! If Bioshock 2 was just an expanded Minerva's Den instead of the trite, derivative and mediocre game it unfortunately turned out to be, it would have been so much more fondly remembered. This DLC is proof that the Bioshock 2 team knows how to make a Bioshock game, this twist is so good, and so perfect on so many levels that it actually rivals the twist in the original game.
Bioshock 2 struggled pretty severely to follow in the first game's footsteps, Minerva's Den makes it look easy, I have no idea how this DLC happened, but it's truly something special.
+Kolbe Howard Speak for yourself. I found BioShock 2 to be better than the first in every way save for the story.
+Kolbe Howard Couldn't disagree more. The whole game was fantastic; this DLC was just the apex.
Eh, i personally loved all of bioshock 2, in some ways more then the first
The twist is almost always the same though.
Not really the twist in Bioshock 1 is the guy who's been helping you the entire game is actually the alias of a crime boss who faked his death and has mind controlled you, the twist in Bioshock 2 Minerva's Den is that the guy who's helping you is actually you and a machine is copying your voice to led you to the destruction of itself and you reviving as yourself
so porter is sigma? am i right? if so..... what a twist!
so this is why there was no more tenenbaum in bioshock 2 main story, she was trying to help these guys solve their conflict
Coffee I was confused so Porter is sigma not Delta Johnny topside is Delta so Porter (sigma) was the last of the alpha series
Delta is booker the protagonis of bioshock infinite.
@@realfrac7ure depends on what you mean by last alpha series. If you mean last surviving then yes. If you mean last made then the unfortunate sinclair takes that spot
kuanlimputera where in the world did you hear that? Delta was a deep sea diver who was turned into a Big Daddy about 50 years after Bioshock Infinite ended.
I play on the hardest difficulty
Never miss
You would have been dead a long time ago 😭😭
My feels cannot handle that ending.
it's actually fallowing after when tennenboun left delta in the train station. remember when she said "there are others I need to help before the city drowns" she ment sigma and the thinker
i thought mr porter the guy who helps u would be evil turns out u r porter
Milton: -"No, this isn't right, it isn't. . .her"
Me: - Huh, as expected
Thinker: - "But what's the matter Milton, don't you still love me?"
Milton & me: "Oh god. . .oh god. . .OH GOD!"
Thats when my jaw dropped
Yeah RIP Delta and Sinclair........... at least Sigma was speared lke you said.
:(
Damm dude use plasmids they make the game easier.
But ultimately it's about letting go and keeping on living. Sad, but hopeful.
That twist almost broke my neck.
I personally think Bioshock and Bioshock 2 are the best horror/ Scifi games out there, Im not really sure about Infinite but There is so much story behind these games that just makes them amazing!
6:05
That big daddy jumping out legit startled me.
Well, i cried at the good ending at the base Bioshock 2 ending.. And bioshock 2 was the first game/movie i have ever cried to. Did you not? I thought it was superb
this expansion is better than the actual game.
I loved all the bioshock games, but never played Minerva’s den. The delivery of this actor for CM porter is incredible-I hate that I missed it. 😊
8:42, no cutscenes, no human expressions, only the music and atmosphere emphasize this moment
Bioshock gives you such an amazing visuel and story, with deep characters each rich with emotion and depth. Yet through the majority of both games you know little to nothing about who YOU ACTUALLY PLAY AS. And only a game as good as this can pull it off without you ever stopping and asking yourself this.
Subject Sigma (last Alpha series Big Daddy - 11th - Charles Milton Porter) is a different person, it's not Subject Delta. (Johnny Topside)
What the hell Bioshock 2! my heart was in enough knots from the first good ending, now it might as well be a friggin pretzel, so much happy saddness ugghhhh mine pretzel HEART!!!!!
If Porter was subject sigma, who was subject delta O.o ?
what he said^
but the reason for him to become and alpha was because the creator of rapture thought he was a spy and put him in jail where they made him into one of those.
***** Actually, his name was not Johnny Topside, that's just what he was dubbed by the "Rapture Tribune". In an interview with one of the developers of Bioshock 2 he said "Choosing whether or not to name the character is the hardest thing to do". The developers never named Subject Delta, Johnny Topside was his alias.
+Alessandro Le Vexier (Tf2 Gameplays) Was he? In Bioshock Infinite Burial at Sea we watch Elizabeth cause the first binding of a big daddy to a little sister, and it wasn't subject delta because the little sister wasn't Eleanor.
My theory is that "Jack" in Bioshock 1 and subject Delta are both alternate Booker DeWitts.
okay that doesn't make much since
The moment i reached the circle where it says stigma>the thinker>potter.. man i got chills running down the spine knowing it was him all along just shook me hard. No game ever does that to u
dame i did not see that comeing...the ending made me wont to cry a little
Well screw the hole "Johnny topside" Idea XD
Yeah, I also liked the mention where Porter was teased about Splicing White, and he told the guy to splice some common sense.
If they expanded this game and story more (a few more stages), Minerva's Den could've been a full fledged Bioshock 3. Rapture's a rather big underwater city.
Okay he's and alpha series big daddy. An alpha series isnt connected to the suit it wears, its more of an armor for the human inside, they just splice up humans a whole shit load and the human cant do anything expect be a big daddy, one thats connected to a singular little sister, those were more of a prototype, the real big daddys are organs, skin, bone, and tissue all connected to a giant scuba suit. Those are the ones you cannot take off. Does that make sense?
Sigma's (Porter's) story was one of the greater DLCs I have played. As well as the amazing campaign which you play as Delta (Johnny)
This is Minerva's Den, a Bioshock 2 DLC. This takes place during the events of Bioshock 2, but you play as another Big Daddy: Subject Sigma.
That piano music is just... spine-tingling and heartbreaking.
The one where he has the Thinker simulate Pearl? When he mutters under his breath "This isn't right", it hurts.
@TitanicPolarBear101 Indeed. It imitated her so well that fell to the bottom of the Valley
My brother got me involved with Bioshock back in October. I even dressed up as a little sister for my home school group's video game themed costume party. I started playing the games in February this year. Finished them both plus Minerva's Den, then re-played them for some reason. Whenever someone says that it's only a game, I get kind of annoyed. The Bioshock series are so wonderfully made, they aren't "just games" to me.
SPOILER about ending!!!
In the ending it is confirmed that Tenenbaum finally discovered a cure for ADAM addiction, allowing her to bring Porter back to normal. I would like to believe that she did accomplish that with Eleanor, if her good ending was canonical.
As I see Bioshock 3 (with Eleanor as the main protagonist) would be about all 3 of them returning to Rapture to finally end "Rapture Nightmare" against a final foe who took control of the city with Sofia gone (either a new one or reborn Andrew Ryan). A good ending to Bioshock 3 would be that all left splicers would be cured. If so, Eleanor, Brigid & Porter would have accomplished the very thing Andrew Ryan failed to give when he built the city in the first place - a chance for a better life. For anything is better than live as a deformed & psychotic monster in a dying underwater city, which the moment you came here before its downfall, it became a prison.
It’s a shame Johnny Topside died before he could be restored, I’m glad Milton was able to get back to normal though
Interesting to see that Reed, being the most human and least spliced enemy in Bioshocks 1 and 2, is a much tougher enemy compared to the regular splicers
I shed a tear during emotional movies sometimes. But I've never cried because of an emotional game before, hopefully it happens one day!
you gota love that alarm sound
I got chills when it’s revealed who Sigma really was
Man this was definitely the best DLC i have ever played... Loved the ending
Maybe during the game lol. However at the end he just leaves with the sisters. Ok so the story is Rapture went to hell on the year 1959. the second game started showing Delta walking with Eleanor in 1958 when everything was peaceful. Sophia killed Delta, Jack showed up 2 years later and left with the little sisters. Delta was revived through the Vita Chambers 10 years later in the year 1968 so it takes place after the first. I strongly recommend the first game. It is totally worth it.
Milton must like the piano because it's similar to a computer keybord.
Did anyone notice that the graphics in the bathysphere were like bioshock 1 graphics, that they were actualy GOOD.
I sure did. Bioshock is a masterpiece.
Did anyone else notice Pearl's silhouette over Milton's at the end when he was standing in front of her grave?
See, thats better. There is never a need to call someone an idiot. I know the dlc took place after bioshock 1(frankly thats a no brainer) but some dlc may take place between chapters(ex. gears of war). Thanks for the information buddy, and correctomondo, comments dont have an expiration date. You're so brilliant, i bet that you will make it really far in life :D
Happy New Years and stay safe mate :)
I have to agree with your statement, xpert434. Minerva's Den was the best Bioshock 2 could offer.
Beautiful send off to the Bioshock series set in Rapture. Truly sad.
@ShadowAmnesia well in the audio diaries you find, Porter gives The Thinker samples of his late wife's voice in order for it to sound exactly like her. my guess is that Porter, or somebody else, did the same thing with his voice. so the whole time, it was actually The Thinker giving you direction in Porter's voice.
hope that helps.
I feel bad for porter knowing he was a subject to Ryan's well you know gains in power
A very good DLC, considering DLCS, this was almost bioshock 2.5
All the twist are incredible in this game. I imagine one with the listeriosis return of a character presumed dead like andrew ryan or suchong (i know it's not possible, but i feel bad for the dead characters)
i never played bioshock2 but i have played bioshock the first one and that was one of the best Bethesda game i ever played other than fallout new vegas and fallout3 and of course oblivion and skyrim
This DLC is just another reminder of how subpar Infinite was as a "Bioshock" entry. This entire adventure was so kickass and the ending actually got me choked up.
that's deep i haven't played it but just by watching this it made me cry
Alpha Series Big Daddies don't have their vital organs grafted into their suits, so reversing the effects is possible.
And so, as they leave rapture, Simga, or in reality, Porter, starts a new life. This should be a movie, but with good actors, NO adding or Subtracting parts, and keep the best endings as the basis
@halosaintsfan porter is sigma which is who you are in minerva den while john is delta who you play as in regular bioshock 2 campaign. so she knew you were porter but she made you find out thats why you found the audio log saying the dissapearimg people became the daddy so he became sigma
The ending is beautiful, really well done.
Iv always wandered did he keep the Height and the muscle from being an Alpha or did he go baackto a normal build and height
Did you know that the voice actor for Reed Wahl is the same voice actor for Harbinger in Mass Effect and Detective Herschel Biggs in L.A Noire, Keith Szarabajka?
@thelolzmaster1 The story is almost certainly happening alongside the course of Bioshock 2. For one, in Bioshock 2's story, Tenenbaum states
"there are others that need my help." Also, when you leave with Tenenbaum, there no Little Sisters with her. I also assumed that this meant that Elanor Lamb took all of them to the surface. So probably closely after Delta dies or very near that time. There are other subtle hints, but I don't have that much space.
this would not have been worth $60, i love the BS2 original story regardless of plot holes, with DLC its like telling a short story that doesn't need to be fleshed out too long, people always like the short DLC stories cause they're strait to the point
Every villain of bioshock needs stay talking in your ear
I just got lazy and went straight into infinite and never played this dlc. Should I play it if I already know the ending??
It was believed that once those who became Big Daddies remained that way for the rest of their lives. Fortunately, Charles Porter is the Only one that changed back to normal. No one- Not "Johnny Topside", not Mark Meltzer, not Augustus Sinclair- no one who got turned into a Big Daddy managed to revert back into a human. Charles Porter is the first to do so.
Side note: This explains why Tenenbaum left the game early in Bioshock 2; she was in Minerva's Den all along.
LOVED IT...the guy who was the main voice actor did a great job!
It's a shame that Subject Delta and Sinclair didnt get to tanabom as well before they both died. They could have possibly been returned to a person. I feel sorry for them........
I like it how you seemed a little stunned after the plot twist cos you didn't move right away. :)
@inukirby992 No, it's set in 1912. They've also confirmed several times that It has absolutely nothing to do with the plot of the first two games.
The book "Rapture" explains everything, a prequel to the bioshock games. The book is more entertaining if you play the games first. It even explains Minerva's Den. I Highly recommend it. :)
Ive played the 2nd on PC and seeing your videos since i only can pay for steam games, so THANK YOU!
P.S: You play quite well. Regards from Argentina!