Gilbert Arenas Re-Designs The NBA Hall Of Fame
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- Опубліковано 20 кві 2024
- Gilbert Arenas Re-Designs The NBA Hall Of Fame as Gil & The Rest of The Gil's Arena Crew strive to turn the NBA Hall of Very Good into a TRUE Hall of Fame and debate if the league should change to a tiered system where the true GOATS like Michael Jordan, LeBron James and can rightfully sit at the top and the iffy selections like Tracy McGrady, Vince Carter and Steve Nash could have their own section.
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Norris Cole is the most unbiased and logical person on the podcast
That’s true. I wonder if he becomes a regular.
I swear to god I didn’t kno that was him till I read this comment 😂
Seems like he’s the only one that actually watches the games too
False
@@godlyform974 facts
It's the basketball hall of fame not the NBA hall of fame it's a ton of people who never done anything in the NBA in there it doesn't matter
lol bro yk gil’s arena isn’t real basketball talk these is all vibes🤣
@@phyllisbullet Straight homeboy debates. We used to do this all day.
Relax bro. He’s talking about the criteria for NBA players getting in to the HOF. Pretty sure they know it’s not just NBA players in the HOF
Gils arena is for straight Entertainment. NOT basketball knowledge.
@@phyllisbulletbarbershop talk
Norris Cole Has The Best Perspective On This Pod…Everything He Says Come From A Place Of Honesty & An Unbiased Mindset. I Really Appreciate That!
I agree with you wholeheartedly! It’s so hard to get up true honest opinion today without people trying to push agendas
Cooking dudes and going to the army on the weekends lol 😂
😂😂
crazy ass fact😂
Gil says a joke & slaps his knees. Straight out the 1940’s
Lol
A knee slapper
Grandpa a joker
He’s such an idiot.
To make sure they still work or there period!!
😂😂😂😂 B. Jennings, you know I'm not trippin, lil bro! I appreciate the shout out, though. 💪🏽💪🏽I'm starting my basketball academy out here in Costa Rica. I've got to get you out here for a clinic one day in the future. All love.
I was about to hot you up and tell you, that you were mentioned on here
Dennis Rodman is Gold for the PF position 5x Champ 7x Rebound leader consecutive 2x Defensive player of the year 7x 1st Team Defense 🫡
No doubt Dennis made a impact on the game... I think you should only make the Hall of Fame if you made a impact on the game
Tim Duncan so slept on 😮💨
By their standards KG is borderline and KG is 5 times the player Rodmen was.
Hell no
Nice
Norris Cole "Somebody In Particular" 🤣🤣🤣
😂😂😂
Fine I’ll say it he probably talking about Vince Carter he be 💩 ing on him for a while
That was probably the best segment yall ever done
Due to the panel. While I love Kenyon when he is there its like people are afraid or nervous. The dude from Miami Heat brings an articulation that others on this show (besides Agent Zero) do not add. With Kenyon there is a lot of dead air. When he called Gilbert a Muther F**&^er when debating the olympics I thought that should have been it for Kenyon. It was so low and unprofessional it crossed all lines. While they still ignored the segment animation and the poor host who can't control the show well, this was one of the best segments.
@@sunshinejonz 100% Kmart brings the least value imo. Doesn't say much, and his energy brings everyone down.
@@sunshinejonz Interesting take, yeah I like Norris Cole's (the Heat guy)'s take too. I kind of like Kenyon's energy for keeping it a buck. The other guy who used to wear the crown isn't bad either but I guess the way he comes off can seem uninformed at times although he's usually spot on (at least to me).
Facts this was a great build
@@sunshinejonzyour overthinking it fr it’s not that deep
Yo Dwight Howard is 8 time allstar 8 time all nba.. him not being top 75 is crazy
Facts. AD and Dame shouldn't be there.
AD can be there. Dame should be replaced by kyrie
@@blackjesus6433u just talking
Dwight garbage after his magic years
Plus 3 time dpoy countless rebounds champ
Norris Cole really a basketball historian
Absolutely not lol
Kawhi sittin on 2 chips , 2 fmvps & 2 DPOY’s. He’s Gold without a doubt
There should be some type of point system for the HOF. For example:
You need 50 points to get in the HOF
MVP = 5 pts
Ring = 4 pts
Finals MVP = 3 pts
All NBA = 2 pts
All Star = 1 pt
All Defense = 1 pt
All time stat record = 7 pts
I’m just throwing numbers out there, but I think that would make the selections more objective rather than it being based on just how the voters feel
That's a damn good idea💯💯
All NBA needs to be different points
1st team-3
2nd team-1.5
3rd team-0.5
Also by this criteria, Dwade doesn’t get in so….😂😂😂 might gotta cap it at about 42 pts
@@KayMoney400 true 😂
Hall of fame is NOT just NBA though. So this entire point system by default makes no sense
You put T-Mac there while taking out AI? Lol, wtf Gil 😂
Tmac never got out the first round😂 that should’ve automatically disqualified him from hall of fame
@yahiaali4059 he carried orlando my boy Grant Hill was hurt houston was similar he and Yao took turns carrying the rockets when one was sidelined Tmac the player HALL OF FAMER never seen nothing like him they knew what they were watching
@@haneecamper3100 the fact your acting like houston rockets were bad team is hilarious that team more than equipped to at least make it out the first round. It’s funny how 2000s players don’t get the same criticism as players today😂
@@haneecamper3100He carried Orlando to what? 8 seeds and first round exits?
Houston actually won a playoff series when McLazy was injured 😂
McGrady is the prototype regular season high volume scorer marginal impact come playoff time
6'8 and couldnt make it past the first round is crazy. the fans give him excuse upon excuse on why he didnt
Great topic being it back for a part 2
Blake was on a HOF trajectory his first five seasons then his body broke down and he was no longer as explosive. But from his 2010-2015 he was legit elite. I think he even finished 3rd in MVP voting behind KD/LBJ in 2014.
I mean a lot of people say 2019 with Detroit was his best season
Negative my guy
@@Hidalgoesit wasn’t his best season on paper but it def was great his best came w the clips
@@Hidalgoes people only say that because that’s was his highest scoring season.
No that was Kevin Love in 2014. Stop spreading misinformation
WILT has 2 championships, one with Philadelphia and one with the Lakers
Subjective things like mvps, all-nba’s and other voted on accolades shouldn’t hold near as much weight as actual factual statistics such as points, assists, rebounds, wins, etc.
Love this conversation
The top 75 ceremony lowkey ranked each position if you watch it
Good segment guy's!
Gil was talking bout VC 🤣
Gil was talking bout Vince Carter 😂😂😂😂
Always hating on Vince
Vince def not gold or silver dude could dunk n developed a longball when them knees gave out he is bronze
@@BigSlick45star players said he would’ve been nexts up if he wasn’t such a nice guy an put that extra work in
@@BigSlick45 lol You have no idea what you are talking about. He wasnt just a dunker who developed a three at the end of his career. Have you ever watched him play? He avd 25 a game multiple times and had everything in his bag by his second season, he was winning games by himself in his rookie year, has hit more game winners than nearly all other players in league history bar MJ and Kobe, was leading scorer on team USA when he was only 2 years into his career. Dude hit 8 3's in one half of basketball in his 3rd season, i think he developed a 3 before "his knees gave out". Do some research before you talk out your backside
@@DMGC529 lol if u knew it was all scripted u would be sad man learn gematria its all scripted and I know vince was good man I watched him play in person multiple times im sayin he wasnt a gold hall of famer he was silver hes not up there with MJ and kobe and Bron and Magic etc...
This is a great conversation and concept.
I like this convo
Gil's undercover Vince Carter slander will NOT be tolerated! 👎 Carter scored 25,728 points in his NBA career (compared to Gil's 11,402 points). Only 25 guys have EVER scored 25,000+ points! ALL of them are either already in the Hall of Fame, or are shoo-in future HOFers. Carter also ranks #9 on the all-time 3-point scorers list (80% of the Top 10 is either in the HOF, or shoo-in future HOFers), while Gil is nowhere in the Top 50. Unlike Gil, Carter also has an Olympic medal (gold). Add in Vince's 8x NBA All-Star selections (to Gil's 3x), his 2x all-NBA honors (Gil has 3), and his 16.7 scoring average (Gil has 20.7) over 22 years, his cultural impact as a legendary dunker and it's a HOF career. Stop hating, Gil! Had you been more professional when you were a player, you could've made the HOF too!
Hater Arenas just mad his career didn't workout he's hella bitter square ass igga he's been stalking Klay all yr
Is he talking about VC? That’s who I thought he was talking about too. What is his problem with Carter? Dude was unstoppable for a while. Leading scorer on team USA, should have had more all nba selections for sure. The impact he had was ridiculous from 99-2007.
It's crazy that Chauncy has more all nba selections than Vince.
@@lemeshadow Yeah, its ridiculous. They (the media) pretty much black balled VC once he left TO. A couple of sis seasons with NJ were insane.
Vince on the end of the bench his last 7-8 years
This was a good convo, you guys need to revisit it. Also a graphic would be good
Bob McAdoo with the Buffalo Braves?
MVP only given once a year between ‘84-‘24 Larry (3), Magic (2), Barkley, Hakeem, David Robinson, Karl (2), Jordan (4), Shaq, AI, Tim Duncan (2), KG, Nash (2), Dirk, Kobe, Bron (4), DRose, KD, Curry (2), Westbrook, Harden, Giannis (2), Jokic (2), Embiid
That kid you name between Barkley to Malone, they said we need to give to someone other than Jordan 🤔the only time they sometimes when Jordan’s father was murdered and he stepped away and Hakeem got it. And Nash stop those MVPs should be with BEAN. I’ll wait
I think you should get points for top 3 in MVP and you should get points for getting to the finals. There's some elite guys that were just not fortunate enough to be named lebron, Kobe or MJ. Guys like CP3, Westbrook, Harden, Kawhi, embiid, are like silver tier but due to being in the bron/KD Era they don't have the proper accolades to even beat out guys like Steve Nash who they're way better than.
Jordan has 5 MVPS, not 4.
@@uchiharainy Agree! Treating losing in the finals like it counts for nothing is outrageous when you've literally done better than the other 28 teams! Even worse when you were the best player in the finals but your team was outmatched/injuries etc.
I love this discussion
Same, I actually like their requirements to make top whatever list
Right, the actually put a criteria together and had a discussion and not a screaming match. Lol
Good segment. Need to do this for real!
Great clip
True class like Vince doesn’t need to acknowledge or respond to a bum seeking attention.
That's all Gil does, but for some reason, Vince is his target for click bait. Hopefully Carter doesn't get hooked in.
@@Sure_SirBecause Vince Carter had a better career than Gil, by far. Vince is also far more likeable, and he's better looking to boot.
Vince is all class, always has been. He would never bring himself down to Gils level.
Dirk would be gold. He’s the only European player that has over 30,000 points. He got his regular season MVP. Finals MVP. And he went through. Kobe. A young Durant. Westbrook. Harden, LBJ. And D Wade, to win that first title
And went to 2 finals
I love this segment fr. Might be the best they’ve done fr.
Dwyane Wade is also the all-time shot blocking guard , second being MJ .
That's grading on a curve. Like how they said Stockton was all time in steals are we going to say Pippen is the all time leader in steals by a small forward? That's how we ended up with these messed up hall of fames to begin with.
Wade still wouldn’t be gold. Nor Giannis.
Dwade gay as hll
3rd behind Kobe
@@jjf77able I’m saying when compared to Jerry West who only has one championship , no mvps and is just the all time assist leader , I think Wade has a better argument .
Norris Cole. I usually agree w you but you said AI bumps up to silver because he had four scoring titles and one mvp but Isaiah Thomas got a finals mvp and two rings. Can’t expect every great player to get an mvp. Tatum just averaged 30, 8, 4 on 64% Ts. Last season Essentially the same stats as SGA this season…and he wasn’t even considered for mvp because he had to face Giannis Jokic mvp Luka in that race
Nah, yall gotta do a full episode of just this with like two white boards! This was entertaining and interesting! Do a side mini epsiode or UA-cam shorts on how the criteria breaks down!
This was a dope ass convo you guys should actually make a list and make it like a march madness drop where every week you drop the bill ache level qualifying player and make it like 100 players with NBA stats and every year just pick the people that qualify that actually belong to your hall of fame
This segment is why I love when McCants isn't there. Gil has some good takes when they can talk real basketball. I guarantee you if McCants was there we would have never got that segment and it would have been some back and forth over bs
Dirk is gold we not even gonna do this
Giannis won 2 MVPs before he even turned 26. Only Kareem and Lebron have done that. He got a ring without having to jump ship on his team and got the Finals MVP. He’s consistently top 10 in points and rebounds every year if not top 5, while also being a top tier defender. He’s so dominant it’s under appreciated now because it’s common place.
Definitely have to revisit this topic again. 5 star vid
That was a dope build!
If adam silver wants to leave his mark he should create the nba hall of fame!
I been said this the greatest 5 ever by position is Magic, Jordan, Bron, Tim Duncan, & Kareem that’s 26 rings together
I agree, ring-wise and stat-wise. I got a 5 that would rumble with em on the court tho : Shaq, Dream, Giannis, Kobe, Pippen.
Thats only 21 rings your confusing magic and kereems rings should be counted as one, i give one to kareem when he won it with the. Bucks.
@@mannymatencio1279 I’m saying individually; 2 just so happen to be teammates so I get you. It’s still a Legenday 5 tho.
@@MrMikelew2929 Brooo dream is so underrated it’s ridiculous😭
@@officialtresosa individually they both shared those rings
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They tried to fix the HOF and just made it even more convoluted and complicated with these tiers lol. Lets just leave the HOF alone and appreciate the guys who are in it. Its fine the way it is.
Naw sports hall has f Fame across the board is bad
In 5-10 years, all NBA players will care way more about their own stats/awards more than winning... You can even see some of it today. Certain players are fine with losing on the biggest stage as long as they meet/beat their stat line just for their next contract or to avoid getting bashed by the media. Can't blame them, but the hunger to win and hunger for competition will exit the NBA sooner than later.
Effects of so called GOAT LEBRON narrative only care about stats and not winning
All NBA too me depends of the era. Players like Vince and Ray Allen are better players than Dame, but their era was stacked of great players.
Have you seen the playoffs? Through all the game 1 there’s been multiple Blowouts with teams losing by double digits and a few 20+. The competitive drive has already disappeared there’s a reason the ratings have significantly dipped, 80% playing for stats. Go figure
@@702TifosiGambler the playoffs have always had blowouts. What the hell are you talking about?lmao the Celtics smacked the Lakers by almost 40 in game 1 of the 85 finals. Was the competitive drive gone then?
Thank you. People are overreacting. Playoffs doesn't start until a road team wins a game lol @@1227weaverb
Bro this is a crazy convo frfr
this show has a lot of good insight, from the people who's been there. the way Gil and guests say shit gives you a better angle to see things. No bullshit or bias, most of the time. thats why you gotta it
The low key Vince hate is corny
Nobody in this convo can be considered HOF talking about who should and shouldn't be in. 😂. Aint got any more say so than me or the next mf
They played in the league tho
So writers should have more say than actual players.
This is a journalist/('s) shill saying this. Or an someone from the old era who still get their points from biased journalist
Yall did the sf right , I was so proud when I heard doc j 😂😂🎉
This was one of my favorites.
The HOF does not equal an absolute ranking of the best players to have played. Its the pioneers and tastemakers (the people you couldnt tell the history of basketball without).
This HOF convo very tricky because Kyrie don’t qualify for it by their standards. You bout to tell me Kyrie not a HOFer?
He ain't gold standard
He's not
He’s a silver/bronze level but guarantee HOF.. hit the biggest shot in finals history
I’m his biggest fan but he’s silver
Kyrie has HOF talent but it never translated into multiple awards.. he has 1championship ring.. he isnt a season mvp.. never had scoring awards.. no assist awards... but but he is a HOF... But i would have him as a SiLVER HOF.
Y’all need to come back to that topic for sure
Mann…. This was a great segment 🤔💯
How when neither of them are going to the HOF
My gold is:
PG- Magic, Steph, Isaiah
SG- MJ, Kobe, West
SF- Bron, KD, Bird, Erving
PF- Duncan, Giannis, Malone
C- Kareem, Wilt, Shaq, Olajuwon, Russell
There's a rose gold for guys like Jokic, AI, CP3, KG, Wade, etc.
Take CP3 out he a choke artist lol
Lol
@@HakeemTheDream616 he in rose gold, not regular gold
Rose gold is for guys who's play might warrant a gold HOF spot, but they don't have the championships or MVPs to back it up. Like KD pre and post golden state is rose gold, never won a chip but is head and shoulders better than everyone not named lebron and bird. I got Jokic there cause he doesn't have the longevity yet. He's got the same 2 mvps, finals MVP, and chip like giannis but in my head giannis has been a great for a tad bit longer, also the PF position a lil weak so I had to boost giannis to make the list look better.
Jokic is not above Melo.
TMac not making it past the 1st round should’ve AUTOMATICALLY disqualified him from the Basketball HOF
Facts. Nostalgia probably got him 95% of the votes
His peers say different
This a crazy take 😂😂😂
Magic fan and I LOVED TMac but he definitely shouldn't have made the Hall of Fame but that was after the COVID yr and they needed a big name to attach to it. He was on his way tho!
Incorrect. T-Mac is actually on the Spurs team that lost to the Heat in the finals. He may not have been the man but this is a factual contradiction to your statement.
The NBA needs to implement something similar to the Australian NRL which has the hall of fame (110 players) but then another tier above that where those players are called Immortals (only 13 players)
Gill u the kanYe of podcast...good u dudes got money
Also, John Stockton has 2 of the most unbreakable total numbers records. Yes, more unbreakable than LeBrons total pts record.
It's only more unbreakable to alot because no one's chasing assist titles or most assist total. EVERYONE wants to be a scorer, so Many will try to get to Bron record which is still near unbreakable. It's more impressive than Stockton assist and steals record though.
Gil starts off with how longevity shouldn’t get you into the hall, they says once you pass someone on the all-time list you ahead of that person. Typical Gil, caught himself not pushing LeBron so switched it right up even though he’s flip flopping
if you had half a brain you'd get what he's trying to say. idiot
3:49 he wasn’t referring to lebron thats a reach he said 1 all star 20000 points not lebron 😭
You just wanted to say something about Lebron. Literally the people that complain about Lebron bring him up the most 😂
@@Davon12041 yea that guy a lil slow, 😂 lebron shouldn’t even be a thought when the topic is “Do they deserve HOF”
We know gil getting that bag from clutch to praise bron..it's wild corny
3:50 sounds like Vince Carter 😂😂
Have an outside entity create the tier requirements. Then the current NBA HOFmers can modify the tier requirements. Once agreed by the HOFmers the tiers are set n apply to them as well. From that point on only the HOFmers vote for induction. In order to be inducted you have to receive 80% approval of ALL HOFmers. Whichever is the highest tier where you receive 80% approval is the tier you’re inducted into.
Norris Cole held it down in this segment.
You can't say certain people are gold when Jordan is there. Like, if you put Isiah as gold, then Jordan has to be like atleast 2 tiers up from that, or you have to drop Isiah down some tiers. Compare their resume/accomplishments. They cannot be on the same tier.
Lol
16:11 Did Brandon just say Draymond Green😂😂😂😂
Norris Cole nearly suffered a back injury from how hard he carried this conversation.
the issue is its NOT the NBA HOF but the Basketball HOF
I fw Gil but he don’t know what he be talking about sometimes 😂😂😂
Army on the weekends 😮 Damn Elgin
8:28 It should be a list of seven or so requirements and you have to meet at least four or five out of the seven. So basically more than half of them places you in whatever tier you're looking for.
Garnet is gold. He has an MVP, a ring, and a DPOY award. 🙏🏾
Kobe don’t got 2 MVPs he’s definitely in the top tier of HOFs
???
BJ talking about Shump right 1:29 😂
This could be a 2 hour conversation
You guys did a great job on this topic Bravoo! I stand corrected, players knows best.
Why don’t I see Kobe on the thumbnail?
I was thinking the same
Gilbert getting them klutch checks now, he gotta push the narrative 😂
@@daboyy6537😂😂
Blake Griffin Resume is equal to or just as good as Chris Webbers and C-Webb in the Hall of Fame. Blake Griffin definitely one of the top Power Forwards of the 2010’s
Webber has done more and had a bigger impact. if you include college it's not close. Tbh webber should have been in a long time ago
@@kingjonz318 I like C-Webb but Blake got the better college resume too. Both were First Team All American but Blake came home with College Player of the Year and C-Webb didnt
Is it tho 😂 CWebb played with the Fab 5 . Took a losing franchise to a WCF.
@@mexia23 don’t act like Webber took the Kings to the WCF by himself. He had a squad just like Blake had a squad with the Clippers. Both ended up with zero championships too lol
@@isasadamuli9222he was the star on the team tell me when Blake lead his team that far😂
If they seriously bring that convo back and do it right that could be 3 hours of great content by itself
That's why they have numbered "BALLOTS " right? You have your GREATS that are for sure first ballot HOFers. Then you have players like Blake that should be more like 3rd or 4th ballot!! So it takes them multiple list before they entered!!
This would fix the hall of fame this is the criteria
When telling the story of nba history do I HAVE to mention your name ? If so your in if not your out 🤷🏾♂️
Ok skip
History erases great accomplishments. That's what the hall is for.
Bob McAdoo.. i thought yall knew ball ?
U think a dude that loud knows his sh*t 😂
Yes because a load voice doesn’t mean your uninformed. There are plenty of loud GOAT athletes.
They generally do. Oh, one omission and now they know nothing? Also this all opinion based. LMAO go on the show then.
@swizz152 no one on that coach will ever be considered for hof and they're always wrong. It's just entertainment.
HOF is not the measure of "knowing ball" LMAO. Whether they are HOFers has nothing to do with it. Sounds like something personal. It's just entertainment but to say they don't know ball because they left off Bob McAdoo is shortsighted and plain ol' stup!d.
@@FGPlus
Norris had a good point. They don't need to induct every year. Some years there just aren't any qualifies new ones
! Great f××××ing topic.
Bill Simmons has done the HOF pyramid over a decade ago
Nobody cares
I think Gil sneak dissing Vince. Prime Vince was better than him tho
10 times better
The brother in the middle is like, "WTF are we talking about here?"
Ranking players all-time should be done using some sort of system. A weighted system. NBA finals mvp is worth 5 points. NBA ring is 4. Regular season mvp 3. 2 points for APOY, DPOY, ROY and Season stat leader gets 1 points. Total each player’s points based on that system and them rank it. Something along those lines would be good when comparing different eras.
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Redesigning the hall of fame
Breaking the ranking down to stats will be a bad idea.... Case in point.... Where do you place Robert Horry....
Gil talking about Michael Cooper 😂😂
I do agree... The criteria for "Fame" and "Great" is greatly diluted these days.
Lexie face Like yal keep changing criteria 😭😭
To me honestly. You got to have at least two to three all nba or all defensive teams, be an all star selection at least once or twice. Lead the league or the team in one of the 3 major stats and at least been to the conference finals or nba finals once in they career
Nice take