I'm a muslim and HUGE science nerd with math degree, for me personally, it took a WHILE to "accept" all of this stuff mostly because a lot of "religious" people dont really have rational reasoning, don't really read the scripture itself, just accept things, blabla I couldn't connect with a lot of them....a total mess, but yea I finally found it.... and one of them is because of one of my fav theorems called Godel's Theorem, it gives me comfort about incompleteness but also about God. But anw, good video! I like the last part, when you said that it won't be a religion anymore but more a new branch of science, I find it interesting because religion and science has the same root, we just wanna answer where are we from and other existential question, etc.......... we might not agree in some things, but yea good video:)
@@gregoryvdiehlagree! I find it ironic tho, idk about other religion, but at least in islam Holybook (Quran), it always emphasize to "Iqra" or read... and to think about the world, which probably influence islamic golden age too🤔 but yeah stay open mind✨️ thanks again for the cool video! I'll subscribe to you~
@@gregoryvdiehl addition: I kinda wish that human won't make any conflict over differing beliefs, like ever, but yea, i dont think so... our tribal mindset would just come up with something to different ourselves from others and argue about it, still... it's important to recognize our biases tho
Carl Jung studied mythologies from around the world and was fascinated by the similarities in all cultures. Though some have never been in contact, they tell the same stories and even have the same dreams. Some say this is proof of a collective consciousness. There are also similarities in near death experiences. Jesus and Buddha might not have literally gone so long without food or water, but that doesn’t mean that they didn’t exist. Perhaps people dramatized their stories to spread the wisdom and truth of the words. I just learned while watching Roseanne’s podcast that the Jewish texts have many scientific and mathematical teachings. Like they knew the world was round before the west, the two men who funded Christoforo Colombo’s expedition to the new World were Jewish men who eventually converted to Christianity.
And we continue to retell the same basic myths in our modern stories, though now usually with a veneer of lasers and explosions. My guess is that they reflect some basic truth about our evolutionary psychology and how we make sense out of the chaos of the world. Personally, I love many aspects of the *story* of Jesus as a mythological hero. My favorite version is the "blasphemous" one written about by Kazantzakis in The Last Temptation of Christ, which portrayed him as a human struggling with the weight of his destiny, which was made into a movie by Martin Scorcese. But none of this requires me to literally believe any of this happened anymore than I believe Superman is really flying around and saving the world from supervillains.
@@gregoryvdiehl Jesus Christ is not a mythological figure. He is God incarnate, Glory to Christ that those Jewish men converted. Praying you convert too!🙏🏽☦️
Not necessarily. They are definitely hurt people tho. Religion isnt bad until people think theyre better, and that tends to happen with people that are hurt…
Personally, I think that happens with everything, not just religion, heck .. people even argue about food! "My country's food is better" "thats not the traditional way to make it" etc... humans just have a very tribal mindset :/
@@adaninurs It's all aspects of culture and group identification. When you question or attack a series of ideas someone has learned to identify themselves with, they interpret it as though you are attacking them.
So god created a world full of complexity. Math, science, an entire universe. Dimensions. Takes a single planet out of trillions. Makes humans. Punishes humans for being human. Sends him self down as the ultimate sacrifice to him self. And then dips, promising that one day half the planet will burn in hell. 🥰🥰🥰 amen
@@sceplecture2382 you just hate Christianity huh? You hate Christ huh? Well Lord have mercy on us! Most Holy Theotokos, Mother of God, pray for us sinners!🙏🏽☦️
Great question. My own consciousness is already demonstrated by the very fact that I am able to question my own consciousness - "I think, therefore I am." It's a premise I have to accept before I can consider any other matters. However, in others, it's a matter of rational inference. I observe behavior from them that cannot be explained in any simpler way than that they, too, are conscious. Occam's Razor. This avoids solipsism.
@@gregoryvdiehl Ha! you make some interesting assumptions here and misapply Occasm’s Razor… consciousness in others isn’t necessarily the simplest explanation - it’s the most intuitive. Behavior could arguably be simpler if described as an unconscious neurobiological “program” because it does not invoke the unobservable (or unprovable) phenomenon of “consciousness”. 1) “cogito, Ergo Sum” - Thought or awareness doesn’t necessarily prove the existence of an individual self. The concept of consciousness may be a byproduct of brain or natural processes, and not necessarily guarantee of an independent, self aware entity. 2) You also assume that the observable behavior is a result of consciousness. However, behavior could also be the result of a sophisticated yet unconscious process like artificial intelligence or a robot. To give you an example, an algorithmic entity can mimic “human-like” behavior. Consciousness is NOT observable (or unprovable).
@@User007RD I am conscious. Therefore. consciousness exists. It's perfectly reasonable for me to assume it exists in other processes I observe as similar to myself, such as other people. That interpretation requires fewer assumptions and leaps in logic than assuming that all people except me are the result of unconscious algorithms. In any case, I'm not sure what this otherwise interesting discussion has to do with my video about the intelligence of religious people.
@@gregoryvdiehl Thought you’d never ask. Bingo buddy! 😂 it was just a bait for you to argue to me that you believe in consciousness. Somewhere in your video you said something along the lines that you don’t believe in something that is not testable or tangible. Both religion and consciousness involve elements that are untestable or unmeasuravle empirically. Consciousness, like religion, is largely based on subjective experience. if you accept consciousness as real despite its intangibility, you dont really have very good argument against religion… regardless you sound smart and from what I see, you are able to articulate your thoughts… so I respect the hustle but just be open minded man
@@User007RD All observations and conclusions derived therefrom are based on subjective experience. That's how science works. And you don't need to bait me into admitting things I already freely admit. You're working harder than you need to here. ua-cam.com/video/3OJnWBiM_1g/v-deo.htmlsi=x99WqaFYe6rn4Tz3
@@gregoryvdiehl you seem to agree with Descartes that because you think, therefore you exist. It's a self-attesting claim akin to the laws of logic. Similarly, we have claims like these: - Words have meaning. - An absolute, objective authority exists. Any attempt to counter those claims results in assuming they're true. I realize you'll likely take issue with the second claim, but I'm hoping you'll see it's in exactly the same category as the aforementioned laws of logic. These types of claims are so obvious, they exposes us as fools when we try to argue otherwise. That is what is in view here: Psalm 14:1 The fool says in his heart, "There is no God." The transcendental argument is in the same vein as these basic truths. God designed this reality such that we can't reason about it without assuming he exists. We might have difficulty seeing this when we don't want reality to be this way. I pray that God opens your eyes to see this.
@@sceplecture2382 I'm probably 10 years his senior. Rationality is what made me a staunch atheist for most of my adult life. Having everything I've ever wanted or asked for and still feeling empty and meaningless brought me to my knees in front of the Lord. Knowing Jesus Christ filled that emptiness. He's the only rational answer my friend.
I'm a muslim and HUGE science nerd with math degree, for me personally, it took a WHILE to "accept" all of this stuff mostly because a lot of "religious" people dont really have rational reasoning, don't really read the scripture itself, just accept things, blabla I couldn't connect with a lot of them....a total mess, but yea I finally found it.... and one of them is because of one of my fav theorems called Godel's Theorem, it gives me comfort about incompleteness but also about God. But anw, good video! I like the last part, when you said that it won't be a religion anymore but more a new branch of science, I find it interesting because religion and science has the same root, we just wanna answer where are we from and other existential question, etc.......... we might not agree in some things, but yea good video:)
As long as we maintain open minds about when we don't understand, there's no reason to have any conflict over differing beliefs.
@@gregoryvdiehlagree! I find it ironic tho, idk about other religion, but at least in islam Holybook (Quran), it always emphasize to "Iqra" or read... and to think about the world, which probably influence islamic golden age too🤔 but yeah stay open mind✨️ thanks again for the cool video! I'll subscribe to you~
@@gregoryvdiehl addition: I kinda wish that human won't make any conflict over differing beliefs, like ever, but yea, i dont think so... our tribal mindset would just come up with something to different ourselves from others and argue about it, still... it's important to recognize our biases tho
Carl Jung studied mythologies from around the world and was fascinated by the similarities in all cultures. Though some have never been in contact, they tell the same stories and even have the same dreams. Some say this is proof of a collective consciousness. There are also similarities in near death experiences.
Jesus and Buddha might not have literally gone so long without food or water, but that doesn’t mean that they didn’t exist. Perhaps people dramatized their stories to spread the wisdom and truth of the words.
I just learned while watching Roseanne’s podcast that the Jewish texts have many scientific and mathematical teachings. Like they knew the world was round before the west, the two men who funded Christoforo Colombo’s expedition to the new World were Jewish men who eventually converted to Christianity.
And we continue to retell the same basic myths in our modern stories, though now usually with a veneer of lasers and explosions. My guess is that they reflect some basic truth about our evolutionary psychology and how we make sense out of the chaos of the world. Personally, I love many aspects of the *story* of Jesus as a mythological hero. My favorite version is the "blasphemous" one written about by Kazantzakis in The Last Temptation of Christ, which portrayed him as a human struggling with the weight of his destiny, which was made into a movie by Martin Scorcese. But none of this requires me to literally believe any of this happened anymore than I believe Superman is really flying around and saving the world from supervillains.
@@gregoryvdiehl Jesus Christ is not a mythological figure. He is God incarnate, Glory to Christ that those Jewish men converted. Praying you convert too!🙏🏽☦️
@@gregoryvdiehl you know what’s mythological? Aliens. 🤣
Not necessarily. They are definitely hurt people tho. Religion isnt bad until people think theyre better, and that tends to happen with people that are hurt…
Personally, I think that happens with everything, not just religion, heck .. people even argue about food! "My country's food is better" "thats not the traditional way to make it" etc... humans just have a very tribal mindset :/
@ very true
@@adaninurs It's all aspects of culture and group identification. When you question or attack a series of ideas someone has learned to identify themselves with, they interpret it as though you are attacking them.
So god created a world full of complexity. Math, science, an entire universe. Dimensions.
Takes a single planet out of trillions.
Makes humans.
Punishes humans for being human.
Sends him self down as the ultimate sacrifice to him self.
And then dips, promising that one day half the planet will burn in hell.
🥰🥰🥰 amen
@@sceplecture2382 you just hate Christianity huh? You hate Christ huh? Well Lord have mercy on us! Most Holy Theotokos, Mother of God, pray for us sinners!🙏🏽☦️
Do you believe consciousness? How can you prove it? In you? In others?
Great question. My own consciousness is already demonstrated by the very fact that I am able to question my own consciousness - "I think, therefore I am." It's a premise I have to accept before I can consider any other matters. However, in others, it's a matter of rational inference. I observe behavior from them that cannot be explained in any simpler way than that they, too, are conscious. Occam's Razor. This avoids solipsism.
@@gregoryvdiehl Ha! you make some interesting assumptions here and misapply Occasm’s Razor… consciousness in others isn’t necessarily the simplest explanation - it’s the most intuitive. Behavior could arguably be simpler if described as an unconscious neurobiological “program” because it does not invoke the unobservable (or unprovable) phenomenon of “consciousness”.
1) “cogito, Ergo Sum” - Thought or awareness doesn’t necessarily prove the existence of an individual self. The concept of consciousness may be a byproduct of brain or natural processes, and not necessarily guarantee of an independent, self aware entity. 2) You also assume that the observable behavior is a result of consciousness. However, behavior could also be the result of a sophisticated yet unconscious process like artificial intelligence or a robot. To give you an example, an algorithmic entity can mimic “human-like” behavior. Consciousness is NOT observable (or unprovable).
@@User007RD I am conscious. Therefore. consciousness exists. It's perfectly reasonable for me to assume it exists in other processes I observe as similar to myself, such as other people. That interpretation requires fewer assumptions and leaps in logic than assuming that all people except me are the result of unconscious algorithms.
In any case, I'm not sure what this otherwise interesting discussion has to do with my video about the intelligence of religious people.
@@gregoryvdiehl Thought you’d never ask. Bingo buddy! 😂 it was just a bait for you to argue to me that you believe in consciousness. Somewhere in your video you said something along the lines that you don’t believe in something that is not testable or tangible.
Both religion and consciousness involve elements that are untestable or unmeasuravle empirically. Consciousness, like religion, is largely based on subjective experience. if you accept consciousness as real despite its intangibility, you dont really have very good argument against religion… regardless you sound smart and from what I see, you are able to articulate your thoughts… so I respect the hustle but just be open minded man
@@User007RD All observations and conclusions derived therefrom are based on subjective experience. That's how science works. And you don't need to bait me into admitting things I already freely admit. You're working harder than you need to here.
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Look up the transcendental argument for God. You can’t even have reason or logic without God.
Yet, even that argument relies on the use of logic.
@ you could thank God for logic and reasoning, all you have to do is look past your pride!😉
@@Ezrasghostpride… that is very ironic.
@@gregoryvdiehl you seem to agree with Descartes that because you think, therefore you exist. It's a self-attesting claim akin to the laws of logic. Similarly, we have claims like these:
- Words have meaning.
- An absolute, objective authority exists.
Any attempt to counter those claims results in assuming they're true. I realize you'll likely take issue with the second claim, but I'm hoping you'll see it's in exactly the same category as the aforementioned laws of logic. These types of claims are so obvious, they exposes us as fools when we try to argue otherwise.
That is what is in view here:
Psalm 14:1 The fool says in his heart, "There is no God."
The transcendental argument is in the same vein as these basic truths. God designed this reality such that we can't reason about it without assuming he exists. We might have difficulty seeing this when we don't want reality to be this way. I pray that God opens your eyes to see this.
@@Ezrasghost what leads you to the conclusion that you cannot have reason or logic without god?
Your ego is stopping you from being truly happy and receiving eternal life. I was once like you--young and naive. I pray one day you see. God bless 🙏🏼
Fingers crossed.
Which eternal life are you referring to? The one where 70 percent of the earths population BURNS for eternity?
If you believe the man in this video has an ego than you failed to listen to his words. He is trying to teach you to be rational.
@@sceplecture2382 I'm probably 10 years his senior. Rationality is what made me a staunch atheist for most of my adult life. Having everything I've ever wanted or asked for and still feeling empty and meaningless brought me to my knees in front of the Lord. Knowing Jesus Christ filled that emptiness. He's the only rational answer my friend.
Oh spare me😂 your mental health problem is stoping you from living your life and minding your own business