Surface Pro 9 Performance Testing for Music Production
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- Опубліковано 31 лип 2024
- How well can the Microsoft Surface Pro 9 run music software, virtual instruments and plugins? Well, let's find out.
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Index - 0:00
Introducing the Surface Pro 9 - 6:17
Getting sound out and playing instruments - 12:40
First impressions, WASAPI and latency - 17:45
ASIO4ALL - 23:38
Add an audio interface - 30:55
CPU and Plugin testing with DAWBench - 35:54
Power wrangling - 45:04
Ultimate Performance mode - 56:21
Disabling Turbo Boost - 1:02:42
Can you run a medium-sized project? - 1:10:14
Conclusions - 1:16:35
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I really appreciate you showing these tests.
Been waiting for this!
Thanks for going through DAWBench - very useful info.
Cheers for keeping this up
Brilliant as always. Finally settled on a Yoga 7i i5 1335 only 8g ram but should be fine ;) Love all your work. I really wanted to go with a surface but for the money the Yoga was to good to pass up. After getting my hands on one of these, I can't wait to see the next generation of touch laptops.
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This is great. Thanks Robin..
Thanks for this. Was curious.
Thank you for this video! Bravo!
Thanks so much for doing this! Blessings
Excellent video! Microsoft, Intel, AMD and Qualcomm (we can lump Apple's M-series chips into this as well) are definitely pursuing the Performance/Efficiency Cores set up going forward. Thank you for your in-depth testing on this! I've got a seemingly-ancient Surface Go 1st gen that I still use for StaffPad, but it's getting incredibly long in the tooth, and may get replaced in the near future.
I have one of those too! Useful little thing.
Oh good - looking forward to watching the whole thing over the weekend. I’m kinda’ on the lookout for a very portable, very capable, Ableton environment 👍
I've used the surface 8 on duo gigs running Live 11 for the last year. Really solid performance and didn't crash even in direct sunlight
I've Use Surface Book 2
Running Cubase Pro 12 For 7 Week
Didn't Problem SB2 its Great❤
I've had a really bad experience with this device. The fan is practically always on and super annoying. The pen is also super underwhelming. I think everyone will be better off with an M1 MacBook or a more traditional and better specced Windows Laptop.
@@EmiliaApfelwein Surface Pro 8?
@@DDPM1R Yes, the i5 version
Years of your experience in this world shine through - a DivKid of PC world :)
Thank you so much for such a detailed, practical and full review on using a Surface Pro 9 for music production, I am using a Surface PRO 6 (thanks also for the great review that you've made in the past that was also super helpful to decide buying and using it) and considering upgrading to PRO 9.
I have one question for you that have not been commented on your review.
As you certainly know the PRO 6 (i5 model) is a fanless design. What about the fan on the PRO 9 ? is it noisy for recording audio in a quiet room with vocals or acoustic instruments? Is it disturbing when using it when running a medium side project ? thanks in advice
Surface Guru!!!
Every time I see this I am disgusted at Apple for not giving their IPad Pro users (especially those with M1 and M2 chips the same as the desktop processors) the option to dual boot to either IOS or MacOS.
Even if they don't officially support it, they should give the users the option to do this, perhaps as a "public beta"', or as a "hobbyist platform".
ok so i watched all your surface videos and heres what I can say about this new surface pro 9 and what could be done to make it work more stable. The reality is its probably stable enough for most average users but a power users could push the surface pro 9 even further but the question is does the power user want to deal with this nonsense, probably because the surface is still a one of kind device, ill be getting one for sure because I'm cool with tinkering even though it does make me a bit mad.
ok so heres what you can do.
>>>you could try disabling the 2 performance cores in task manager or disable the efficiency cores. it is also possible that a combination of disabled cores is needed. buttt I think the 2 performance cores will generate a disproportionate amount of heat when compared to the efficiency cores, so perhaps just enabled 4-6 efficnecy cores and either let them run at any ghz they want or cap them at 3gh or 2.6ghz and this should still be substantially faster then the quad core 11th gen.
task manager allows you to select how many cores you want enabled or disabled however it disables the cores in sequential order which could be forward or backwards, another words you might not have the option to disable the performance cores or all the efficiency cores and may be orced to do 2 performance and 2 efficiency cores now think about it 10 cores if its running at 4 cores its gonna have a much higher cooling envelope.
also try to set the fan speed to a constant so it doesnt have to hunt for fan speed or ghz both should probably be set to a constant level.
now there is this other thing that I know is possible but not super sure how it works, you can select specific cores to only run a specific application so another words the cores wont need to worry about other apps and this will reduce task switching between apps but not within the app it self which may demand threads in some weird order.
the moral of the story here is that apple has left intel before this is the second time they left intel mostly because intel cpu is 1/4th the efficiency of arm m1 chips but the true culprit here is the poor software because on an intel based mac it runs music applications better then the exact same hardware on windows, how do i know because I have tested this on my channel and have been conducting performance tests since 2014 made about 500 videos.
when we just look at what the processor is the 12 gen cpu is a very strong good cpu and it should run but microsoft failed at making a good cooling system they only put 1 fan, surface pro 2 used to have 2 fans and it ran great! the issue is they wanted it to be thin instead of running smoothly and its like they dont know who to blame, do they blame them selfs for not making the cpu power efficent enough or do they blame the fan heat pipe design which is considered an older inferior design, a vapor chamber would have been much better kinda like what they use in razor blade laptops they could make a smaller version of that or just add a second fan by shrinking the motherboard.
they should have continued development of the core m cpu which didnt even require a heatsink and it ran at 5 watts max and could go up to 3.5ghz and if this had a fan and heatsink it could have ran perfect but I guess because no 1 entity controls the expereince of the hardware and software theres just no way to make a small perfectly smooth device because a bunch of different designs are applied to one cpu that they hoped would be perfect for all scenarios but its not thats why you need an ultra low watt cpu that can run x86 why intel why did you abandon core m it was perfect, you wouldnt even need 10 cores, just do core m with 6 cores and good cooling thats it but the cpus are just made, intel should just make there own laptops, microsofts history shows that in 10 years of surface devices they still struggle and havent learned all there lessons.
its why apple controls 100 percent of the experience, I almost got a surface pro 9 a few days ago but settled on a alienware x17 r2 with 12800h and 3080 ti gpu and 32gb ram because someone else ended up buying the surface I wanted. ill be making my own videos about this topic soon. cheers!
insane insight thank you so much
Suprisingly passionate monologue about regular Windows 😂
1:01 Exactly. It's a true tablet-computer that goes far beyond a fancy, expensive gimmick!
thx! just came from jamming around as a newby in ableton live lite on my surface pro 9... and found great and entertaining answers to reduce my grown frustration :)! getting asio4all now :) and will probably stick to all other of your tipps! thx for the great work! ...just came accross the following - when using the internal speakers. even if a I set sample rate with asio4all v2 in ableton on 4800 as it appears to be default in the windows speaker settings - and if untick "allow application to take explsive control of the device" in wondows sound-settings for the internal speakers....I get no sound when opening youtube in edge, while ableton live is open...Is there a fix for this? or is this not possible at the momemt in windows 11 with internal speakers from surface pro? (I am going to use an audio interface anyway - but for usage on the go it would be convenient...) thx. Maybe it helps someone: I connected a bluetooth speaker: now videos on youtube go over this speaker. ableton uses the surface speakers...at least I can watch tutorials now at the same time.
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Rob, Thanks for the review. My last cpu purchase was a Lenovo Flex 5 a few years back. When using the touchscreen it feels flimsy compared to an iPad. Im up for an upgrade soon. Does the surface pro feel flimsy compared to an iPad ?
No, certainly not, it's rock solid
Robin, I have an asus laptop and the advanced power setings don't have an option for proccessor power managment where I can change min and max % power settings. Do you know how I can re-enable this option? I there a reg setting?
It's all in the link in the description moltenmusictechnology.com/surface-pro-9-performance-testing-for-music-production/
This is great, shame it's not inside a push controller though
anyway you need an audiointerface ALWAYS, well as you said .. i feel like those pc´s nowerdays can really do alot .. for me who is "only" recording guitars its very nice .. . may i ask - is a plug in a VST ? .. i think 24 tracks is awesome .. i have 5 tracks usually ... drums , bass guitar, piano, 2 guitars .. maybe im not thinking big enough haha
Nice video, slightly unrelated question, where did you get those cool Bladerunner and Logan’s Run posters?
Special edition Blu-ray series 😁
Nice vid 🎉. Any experience running maschine plus together with the surface pro 9 and komplete 14?
No, none at all, sorry
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Is it any good the integrated DAC of Pro 9 for lossless music audiophile or is it necessary an external DAC?
If you’re an audiophile then it’s never going to be good enough. It’s designed for games and movies like most laptops. Sounds fine to me but asking the question suggests to me that you’ll need a dac you’re happy with.
solid review. thanks for the details. what is the yellow box called in the background????
Thanks! It's a case of Eurorack.
Robin! Long time, first time. Two questions: One, how do you think this setup would deal with a bunch of Granular stuff, like Native's Ashlight and Straylight? I have a Surface Pro 3 (i5, 8GB Ram) that I'm using now, and it chokes itself out immediately. I'm assuming a higher level Surface Pro 9 would handle granular much better, but I'd still like confirmation.
Also, what part do you think Win11 is playing in all this? What if your SP9 was running Win10? Would you expect it to be worse? Thanks! :)
I'll see what I can do with granular. Maybe I'll do a follow up video in a few weeks with some alternative projects and tests. I've not been that bothered by Windows 11, not noticed a difference either way.
@@MoltenMusicTech Yes please! Thank you! And my little SP3 is handling most stuff well, but granular is just levels of magnitude more processor intensive, so I'm not surprised it stumbles. :)
I don’t know how much virtual instruments you had going. But I know it takes a lot of computer power to run smooth if you have lots. . What I do is freeze my virtual instruments tracks . It only takes a minute to do and you can unfreeze when you want to edit etc. If you freeze the virtual tracks I bet you would be able get more tracks and plugins going at the same time. Thanks for this video I also have the pro 9.
Yes, freezing tracks is a way of freeing up CPU cycles for more instruments. What I'm doing is trying to give people an idea about what it can handle - your mileage may vary depending on what you're doing.
I finally broke down and bought one because of your video…now I’m torn between the i5 and the i7. I bought the i5 and it’s playing pack my sessions in Bitwig pretty fine but I feel like one more plugin and it’ll fall apart…money aside would the i7 offer a noticeable improvement in your opinion?
Theoretically yes but it brings the problem of additional heat which means the processor is likely to clock down sooner or be more erratic. But it’s impossible to say for sure. I’ve stuck with the i5 for a more stable temperature profile but without trying and comparing the i7 I can’t say.
Is there a way ti make the in-app experience larger? I can hardly read anything it's so small on my surface pro 9
You can change the scaling in display settings
Is this the surface pro 9 laptop? Or surface pro 9 with additional keyboard?
I just had a pro 9 delivered, no keyboard. Wasnt prepared for that. Should I take it back for the laptop model, or buy the keyboard for the tablet?
It's the Surface Pro - the keyboard is an extra you buy at checkout
@@MoltenMusicTech excellent thank you. Even though $450 AUD more than I was expecting, This is actually better overall since I can use it as a tablet or a laptop. Cheers.
Nice video. Could you tell a little bit about the fan? At what temperature does it turn on. Is it louder than the Surface8 fan. And last question. It seems you are satisfied with the Surface Pro 9, but is the 9 better or worse than the 8. I mean, the Pro 8 has (performance) 4 cores, while the Pro 9 only has 2 although they are clocked a little bit higher, but might also get a little hotter.
My sp8 didn’t have a fan (I think) so I couldn’t say. I only noticed it when it comes full on around 65-70 degrees. I no longer have the sp8 but I did a similarly deep video on it, so maybe you’ll be able to compare it that way.
@@MoltenMusicTech My sp8 has a fan and it turns on when the temperature reaches about 47°C. I know the other video.
When it comes the this video, I wonder if all the cores of the SP9 really run at the same clock speed. Many people switch of the efficiency cores, because they seem to make problems. Steinberg also recommends to not use the efficiiency cores. I also wander, when you set the CPU speed to 99%, if this does really make any sence, because the base clock of the new CPUs is much lower then the base clock of the SP8.
It seems, that I should stay with my SP8 and wait for the SP10. Hope, that It will be presented in a few month.
It all depends if you’re having problems. I wasn’t really having any problems and so it’s just happily working. In the past the variable cpu temperature/clocking issues caused glitching that were instantly solved by locking the cpu to stock. It’s not the case here. So, as with the sp8 it seems to work pretty well by itself. You only really need to dig deeper if there’s a problem to solve.
@@MoltenMusicTech All SP8s have a fan.
Can you run cubase and or can cubase and ableton live run properly on this processor?
Yes, seems to
Thanks so much for your reviews on the both the surface pro 8 and 9 for working with music software. I'm looking at buying one for gigging and running Garritan and Vb3ii in live situations. Can you recommend which one would be better suited if any, I'm guessing the 9 and initially had worries that no headphone jack would be a problem but you cleared the fact the double usbc ports get round that with an adaptor. I was hoping to avoid having to use an audio interface as its more hardware to setup but guessing that might be necessary. Please advise
I would say that an audio interface is always necessary for running pro level music software. It will give you better performance, reduce the strain on the processor, better quality connections - no one wants to rely on a minijack and flimsy adapter in a live situation - and the software will understand the ASIO drivers better than Windows WASAPI drivers. There are great little boxes available from Zoom, Arturia and others.
There's no a massive difference between the Surface versions in terms of power for music production. The SP9 has a much nicer screen and a different approach to CPU architecture. Whether that's better or worse is hard to say - all I can do is make a video of what I got it to run and you have to decide if that translates to what you're doing.
All the best with that.
@@MoltenMusicTech thanks so much for your reply Robin, your videos are super helpful for us guys. I've subbed and will like and comment when I can to support your channel and push the algorithm etc. I know how it helps get you those adsense pennies as run a channel myself! Which boxes by zoom and arturia can you remind me please, I saw a little black box in one of the videos I think you mentioned zoom but don't remember where abouts in the video it was? thanks again, looking forward to getting where I want to with this project, I was going to buy a new keyboard but I've been getting so frustrated with onboard keyboard sounds not being up to much, having the vsts I like really does seem the only option!
I wasn't really being specific about the interface other to say there are plenty that are good and small - www.arturia.com/products/audio/minifuse/minifuse2
zoomcorp.com/en/gb/audio-interface/audio-interfaces/ams-series/
Did it perform better or worse than the pro 8? I'd prefer silent. The I7 Pro 9 is currently £999 with 16gb ram and 256 storage. Not bad?
The i7 will not be silent - it has a fan. The Pro 9 did all right i thought but it has a different architecture to the Pro 8 so it's difficult to compare. I did videos on both though, so maybe they will help you.
I'd suggest using ThrottleStop to temporarily disable TurboBoost and/or tweak power settings in general, like PL1 and PL2 boost behavior (there you set target power draw and for how long it could boost to that). with some trial and error you could find wattage at which CPU could boost safely, keeping up with temps.
Additionally, 12th gen intels might be not so great for music production after all, because in my experience there's far too big of a gap in perfornamce capability between P and E cores, and neither OS nor your DAW care by default which cores to use at given moment, so I've seen very rocky DSP graph because it would occasionly give E cores heavy chains to process. You can however, use Set Affinity option in task manager for given process and disable certain cores, so this process can't use them, if you want to eliminate this jitter.
I got myself Asus Flow Z13, 2022 model with 12th gen i9. Understanding that I wouldn't really be using it on battery for long periods of time anyway (if you try to run it at full load, then at best it gets 2h of battery life, while if you try to save on every tiny bit possible, you could only get up to 6h still), and performance is more of a concern to me, this turned out to be quite good for given formfactor (13" tablet) and things I intended to use it for (including running DAW on it). But, as I mentioned above, this uneven architecture of new intel CPUs did impede on it's potential. However, considering it has 6 P-cores, with 2 logical processors each, I just went and disabled all 8 E-cores in BIOS thinking that even with no E-cores the power of P cores would still be limited by thermal headroom. And indeed I got much more stable performance in Bitwig (my preferred DAW) by doing this, and still needed to use ThrottleStop to tweak power limits for turboboost, so it would not exceed ~96C on long fully loaded session. and that gives me about 4-4.3Ghz stable boosting for however long I need. Naturally, in such condition it's leaps and bounds beyond Surface Pro 9 capabilities, so I can acutlly use it as main machine for music making needs.
Cool, good tweaking. I've never found Throttlestop to be very helpful - too much fiddling for far too little gain.
@@MoltenMusicTech at the very least for ability to disable turbo just temporarily by turning it on with 'Disable Turbo' option it's worth having around. mostly no other options do anything on 12th gen intel (and beyond) it seems, only TPL options seem to work (that's for tweaking turbo boosting, instead of disabling it).
Is the upgrade worth the extra price over a surface pro 8? Thanks!
No, I don't think so. It depends on your motivation but in terms of performance there's little reason to upgrade every generation - there are no huge leaps here.
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Ah thanks, weird, and fixed
Im curious if the surface 11 pro with the new ARM stuff could handle this
Seems unlikely as it will require special ARM versions of DAW software and audio drivers or run in an emulation mode. I did a video on the previous version, the Pro X which demonstrates the issues - however, the Pro 11 is much more powerful and mature so we’ll have to see if that helps.
brilliant can u test the Surface Laptop Studio 2
Sure, can you send me one?
I bet the surface book 3 15" coolings is so much better and its only a quad core
Be aware that dynamic display refresh rate somehow increases DPC latency.
Oh ok. If the DPC latency was a problem you’d be getting glitches all the time - that doesn’t seem to be the case. LatencyMon ( which I forgot to include in the video) was all in the greens.
Hi res audio dongles cost less than a tenner and out perform built in dacs on laptops anyway. Still a pain though.
They don't tend to have ASIO drivers for realtime low latency audio. You're better off getting an audio interface designed for music recording and not just playback imho.
Do you plan to test the Surface Pro 10?
There's a Surface Pro 10?
Robin is a master in tweaking a windows notebook to make it a decent audio workstation. In the past he wrote suggestions to make performance mode active that I used with some notebooks. Successfully.
Then I made a mistake and bought an expensive 14 inches gaming powerful notebook. With i7 10th generation.
It was a nightmare, no way to make it play very simple projects.
Because some systems are assembled with bad drivers (graphics, network, etc) that prevent any audio performance.
In some cases a windows notebook is totally unable to perform music production software.
My solution was drastic. I sold the gaming notebook and bought an Apple MacBookPro M1.
End of nightmares, end of tweaking, end of lost nights. Just switch on and play music.
My experience: stay away from i7 and gaming monsters. If you buy a notebook be very careful and get one with good back order management.
If you build a tower computer, trust on very good components and drivers.
Example: I tested 3 different NUCs and they were superb with audio. But with notebooks I struggled too much.
Interesting… do you think i get struggles when buying the i7 version instead? I thought about more power….
@@ChristophV.82 My suggestion. Don't buy if you cannot return. And make some tests. It can be harder than i5 used by Robin. He mentioned that
… well this thing isn‘t cheap i maybe wait until next version ( October? ) or like you said try and then return…. I really want to run bitwig with a pen….
I bought a 10th gen i7 windows laptop a few years back and it has run flawlessly. It uses one of the type h (high power) processors in a gaming chassis so has very good cooling and runs plug ins very well. It was built by a pc specialist in the UK who also sell guitars and synths etc as a pro audio system. They pick components specifically for this purpose (eg. Motherboards). Buying a regular consumer pc can be risky for audio work - my son's dell gaming laptop has issues with running a daw due to some of the motherboard drivers while my older Lenovo was fine.
It would be great if you can give more time to focus on output delay info on this reviews
What is it you want to know?
@@MoltenMusicTech oh.
Well, I looking to buy either a SP 8 or 9. And I would be using it for live performance, so for me getting as little delay as possible is a must. On my current Home PC using ASIO, I'm able to get around 2ms of output delay with 192kHz sample rate and low buffer, it sounded great. I'm not really a producer.
So I would like to know what do the SP8 and 9 has to offer that respect.
Gosh, 2ms and 192kHz is some seriously powerful stuff. The Surface Pro is not a high performance machine, it's designed to save power, cut the CPU and exist on as little as possible. It's totally unsuited to music production, but it sure is pretty. I really like the interface and creative potential of the form factor but that's at the expense of high-level audio performance. My advice, especially in live performance where you want as much headroom as possible, is to run it at 48kHz at around 8-10ms with a 128 or 256 sample buffer. It will give you the sort of performance you see in this video. Going for such a high sample rate and low buffer size with result in the Surface catching fire, or simply continuously glitching. Easing off on both will make for a much happier time. Hope that helps.
@@MoltenMusicTech Just checked, it was at 96kHz and 64 samples buffer size, 0.7 ms lol (there are a lil bit of artifacts here and there).
I guess maybe the SP does not meet what I need as 10 ms is a lot for me. Thanks for the response!
I would get a second opinion on your latency there. While 0.7 is the theoretical time it takes to divide 64 samples by 96kHz there are latencies in any system which will add to that. Less than 2ms in any audio system is very rare and is probably what one experiences playing an acoustic piano. 3ms is usually a good aim and as most systems sneak a couple of ms in without telling you, is probably more realistic and feels like standing 6feet from your guitar amp. Laptop USB technology is usually not very good and the drivers are so bothered with power concerns that they can add a few more ms to your total. A desktop PC will always win out as USB is much more baked in. 10ms for me is completely playable, but we all have our own feels on this. Apple MacBooks operate around 10-15ms and many live performers use them without any interface. I'm just saying that you have high expectations which might result in frustrating your desire to perform live. But good luck finding what you need.
Intel thread director is the app for windows 11 that you want to look into where you can lock clock speeds. Its actually the reason thst windows 11 was rmade. Intel needed Microsoft to build a core management system to be able to manage the new hybrid cpu core architecture that alder lake (intel 12th gen) introduced.
Do you have a link for the software you mention? I can't find any app that gives you access to it. The Thread Director technology appears to be baked into the processor and is doing its thing. If you can get to it via the Intel XTU software then sadly the Surface is not compatible with it - you can't run the software. Google is not helping me at the moment. Thanks!
@@MoltenMusicTech unfortunately UA-cam completely blocked any links now even UA-cam links. Hold on tho I should be able to msg you with it.
@@MoltenMusicTech yeah sorry I know Google isn't helping. I'm also going to look on the level 1 tech forums to see if I can find any other things that may help you
@@MoltenMusicTechit also looks that if you got the arm processor version you might have some more issues.
Nope, it's all Intel
At some point you'd think this wouldnt be a problem with Version 09. This is why I stopped using windows/pc's. Found myself doing more IT than computing. Went with OSX and no more Asio4All, no more registries, program files searches, no more third party plugins just to see thumbnails for my photoshop files, no more of a bunch of stuff that just work on OSX. PC's have their place in the market but not for the guy who just wants to get busy and uses the Adobe Creative suite all day err day. Surface pro 7 stays in the drawer unless im using Aseprite to do pixel art and Concepts app. For drawing, its great.
Recently MacBooks have had horrible cooling though, and if you you're trying to use Ableton through a touch interface windows is the only option really, seeing how it's not on ipad, although I absolutely will concede that ios has a great offering in the way of music creation apps, and you're not wrong about Adobe. It absolutely works better on Macs.
You're just not really gaming on Macs, and you're not going to get the best rendering performance for 3d modeling with Macs, and even price to performance these days Macs prices haven't gone up too much, but the cost of PC's has. If you look at high end windows laptops they go for around the same MacBooks, and higher, but you're not going to find MacBooks with Nvidia gpu's in them.
I'd have to say that my biggest gripe with Apple these days is that you can't replace the storage device on most of their products, which I find pretty anti-consumer friendly. They constantly force you to buy their proprietary cables and even tried to figure out a way they could squeeze more money out their customers even after the EU made a law that was intended to force them to adopt the Industry standard phone charger specification. They were going to use the connector, but have their cables be the only ones that would work with iPhones, then the EU made it very clear that that was not acceptable.
@@donnydarko7624 A lot of good points and im 100% with you on the Apple ecosystem but I can also see the value it that walled garden. But this is a debate between Surface pro and macbooks, the ease of use versus the constant fiddling with windows tech. If you want to game or do It or replace replace components, Pc is the way to go. If you just want to download ableton and make some music, the choice is yours but I dont miss sound card issues. As for the cooling, I'm on a macbook m1 max laptop and I can definitely say ive been running some heavy track counts, plugins, and the link and I'm always surprised at how little the fans blow, if ever, or how not hot the laptop gets. My older macbook did used to burn, 100%, but this new one...its like its not even on. Smooth as butta:)
@@hasan7786 I'll say that the pricing on a mac mini is extremely affordable, I've actually contemplated getting one so I could aggregate multiple audio interfaces without any hassle.
@@donnydarko7624 Yup yup. Aggregate devices, definitely an easy win. I remember finding out how to do that, opened up so many possibilities with audio in and outs.