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Honda CVT SLIPPING @60k miles? (Repair + TPMS Calibration)
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- Опубліковано 25 січ 2021
- This 2014 Honda Civic came in with a "poor acceleration" complaint.
The owner took it to a shop that diagnosed a fluid leak, and told her that it needs a new transmission!
Let's diagnose the issue and see if this CVT lives to fight another day :)
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Enjoy!
Ivan
My new girlfriend comes inside and says,HONEY your car is really slow it's just got no power.I go out and RELEASE the parking brake.!!
she is a keeper !
@@valpanig definitely blond
She your ex now
Oh no
woman moment
Man I love cars. I love this kind of video. Specially when people go to the point rather than show you 5 min of adds
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I usually say “I don’t wanna hear your life story get along with the car stuff”
The nice thing about the Civic is you can get it with a manual transmission. Also there is more to the story with this car. An after market axle that looks old on a car with 60k? I'm going with totaled and rebuilt.
I’m thinking totaled and rebuilt also.
Or maybe not totalled, but someone slid into a curb or had the wheel hit by another car. That could easily be an old insurance repair.
That’s a very good point
@@volvo09 I tore the boot on a car many years ago when I was driving on a snow plowed road that was really not wide enough for two cars and had to get over when I met another car and my car went axle deep in the plowed snow. I didn't look to see if there was any damage to the axle boot since there was no body damage. The next time I changed oil in my car I saw the grease on the inside of the tire and the boot was torn and the joint was dry of grease. No need to get a boot, just got a reman axle. Just because an axle is changed at 60K isn't always an accident and it wouldn't make an accident report because of the deductible so it would never be reported on car report. To me it looked like a car owner may have changed the axle, not a garage.
@@volvo09 Yup, worked in a body shop, Trying to get NEW & OEM parts is impossible with some insurance companies. NEVER GET THE CHEAPEST INSURANCE!!! & check your policy.
so instead of a 4000 dollar transmission it needed a new axle and seal - i think the other shop should be put on blast
🤣🤣
I love it how my civic has double the miles and is still fine, no check engine light or anything and I do all the repairs myself and I love how the modern Honda’s are almost just as easy as the late 90s and early 2000s
Smart on the customers behalf to get that car to you in time! Great work ivan!
Great job Ivan in fixing others people bad repairs...On that TPMS issues, double check different brands/profiles and size...You won't believe on what some people slap on their cars..
You did a great job there. Not staking the wheel-nut by whoever did that previous work is shameful.
All inactive TPMS systems have a reset procedure/ button to store current pressures and it should be reset any time the tires are changed, rotated or inflated.
Active TPMS systems have sensors in the wheels.
As always your videos are awsome!
Appreciate these videos Mr Ivan keep them coming! I think it's the only thing he can be saying watching these videos during lockdown!
Keep up the awesome work my friend!
It's nice to see honest people are still out there.
Again Yvan you saved a lot of $$$ to the customer, the transmission shop , well...
many mechanics, including one here on UA-cam who waves his arms a lot, would just say "forget the TPMS warnings, carry a tire gauge instead"..But you jumped right on it!
As usual...good job. Customer dodged a major bullet on the dreaded CVT trans. Probably been in an accident..left front.
Well done Ivan.
It's amazing how some garages and Dealerships will try to charge people, before finding out what is actually wrong with the car.
Good honest work Ivan.
Thanks for sharing.
If you quote high, then tell them it will be less, they are happy, but do it the other way around and they won't be happy!
@@Runco990 People don't want to pay for proper diagnosis. They want the mechanic to listen to the car, rub some oil between his fingers, thump on the tyre and tell them *exactly* what's wrong, all for free...
Then give them a discount for being old/young/unemployed/can bring you a lot of work/my mate knows you/we are in the same club/Didn't I see you at Walmart/Hey! we have the same shirt-car-dog-shoes, etc..and it must be done IMMEDIATELY!.
Ivan they should all be that straight forward. Stay well and safe Artie👍
And it makes me so happy to see a car with the bulletproof abs tyre pressure system no crap sencers to replace.
Nice save on that one Ivan. Hopefully no damage to the trans. Thanks!
Hey thanks for making the video, I changed my wheels on my 2015 civic for wheels off an older accord and my warning ⚠️ light has been on ever since. Until today, watched your video, did calibration and no more warning light.
Why the "transmission shop" could not inspect the condition of the left front axle and hub assembly and not see the obvious butchery that had occurred is disconcerting (maybe they where the ones that did it, who knows). As an auto tech, we often have to clean up someone else's mess.
Another awesome video Ivan! Great job!
Complaint: Customer states poor acceleration.
Diagnosis: Customer bought a Honda, no defects noted.
Diagnosis; transmission is a CVT, that’s the problem
Recommended course of action; sell it and buy a manual transmission vehicle or a planetary automatic vehicle if you must.
Car is good it’s the cheap transmission
@@issavibez394 true, but the time and expense involved in a manual swap makes it more cost effective to sell this car and replace it with a manual version.
@@MacTechG4 yeah
Ivan you are the man!!! Save owner lots of $$$. The newer axle boots made in the last 2 decades are no longer straight rubber and last the lifetime of the car. I have a 1998 Chevy Malibu (300k) and 2004 Toyota and boots look like it's new.
Thanks for the vid Ivan. Gotta hand it to Honda to calibrate TPMS without a scan tool or specialized tpms tool.
Pretty standard for passive TPMS. Most VW group cars have a simple, very descriptive menu option "reset tire pressure monitoring". When you select it, the system asks you to confirm that all four tires are inflated to the correct pressure, and that's it. It is much more effective than those active sensors; because people actually use it. With the active sensors, if there is no inspection item for it, everyone simply ignores it - because fixing a TPMS light can cost hundred of dollars if the sensor need to be replaced. And you need a scan tool and knowledge to do it...
For my personal cars; I always overfill atleast half to full qt never ran out of oil. It also keeps the axel seals moist thus will last for significantly longer.
Ivan muy sweet . Saved customer mucho denero, plus fixed tpms issue. Stealerships galore
most impressed with the diagnostics application - good video
I got me.one of them x431 scanner can't wait to try it out..especially the bidirectional function
I agree with everyone else...car has been hit and fixed with used/aftermarket parts on the one side. Maybe it was a demo unit that was fixed off the books before it was sold. Either way, great diag and repair. Saved owners some real cash!
Ooow lucky that the loss of fluid didn't do any damage to the cvt :-D
The person that did the short axel replacement could not have been a mechanic.
Nice to see you inside for a change, just too dam cold to be outside :-(.
Ya she's lucky but smart to bring it to a transmission shop and then Iven.
The TPMS calibration procedure is the same on my 07 BMW X5. As always, nice work Ivan.
That is a shock. Was expecting scan tools for Bimmers.
@@malibuman8941 Really?
Little spring is called a garter spring. Cheap, crappy fix for a leaking lip seal, you can take the spring out, unroll the ends, trim some off and re-roll the ends back together and it makes it tighter. Works sometimes, but of course isn't a permanent fix.
Ivan . . . Amanda just called. She said you need to wear your seatbelt!
My son's 2003 Accord developed a leak in this exact area. It happened after he bottomed out after turning to fast into a parking lot in Atlantic City. Got home and noticed hardly any tranny fluid. Removed axle and examined the rubber seal that goes into transmission. Noticed the circular metal spring was pinched, must have happened following it bottoming out. Replaced with OEM seal, 1 year later and all good.
wow, poor job from the last mechanic putting it improper job!! bad!! at least its okay now! TPMS is weird to fix with low tire pressure and now need to calibrate? so odd for that?! great video!!
My 2010 Civic is older and does have TPMS sensors in all tires. Batteries in the sensors go bad after 5 years and you get a TPMS warning intermittently for a couple of months until it stays on for good unless you replace the battery or the sensor. Earlier tire pressure systems, without sensors, used the relative speed of the tires from the ABS system to infer one was “flat” because was spinning faster than the others
Thank you Ivan for another good video. Is the vehicle okay now since you videoed it?
Yup no complaints :)
Always you make my day whenever you uploaded video really like you man awesome personality
@Bob McCabe yes he is.. Hope one day can visit him
Thank you for the kind words my friend :)
They wanted to fit a new transmission and rip her off! Barstewards! How dare they, just as well there are honest people like you around. Because of them it gives you a living :-))
TPMS systems on the new Honda's are very sensitive. I have had issues with the system on my mums Honda. Even differences in tyre tread will cause it to go off. Another time it was causing trouble I cured it by servicing the rear disc brakes. The two times it was indicating a tyre problem she didn't think anything was wrong and had a tyre blow out on a roundabout.
Previous mechanic damaged the seal when replacing the axle. How do I know that? Two pieces of evidence. One, the axel nut was not locked and two, the bolt used was a replacement so likely the oem bolt/nut he damaged trying to remove it. Those indicators tells me Mr. Inexperienced was doing the work and banged into the seal with the axle. Unsure why those parts were replaced but the customer likely has a story. I'd have replaced that seal when doing an axle replacement...maybe he did but damaged it.
thanks from Thailand home of the Honda City neat little car very reliable I think Ive been racing with the CVT as its gone a bit lumpy but its + 100 km (a lot ) so back to the shop to see if they can diagnose it on a rolling bed.... Graet video anyway esp[ecially the TPMS recal :-)
Good work as always. So the 2nd shop tells the customer that “something is leaking and your
When I was younger I drove a 1998 Olds Bravada it was 16 years old at the time. One day started shifting funny after a week took it in was told no transmission fluid. They filled it up and then never gave another problem. Haha.
Thanks as always, Ivan!
Great job. Blows my mind that there are shops out there that perform mickey mouse repairs. So great job repairing they're screw up. Love your vids.
Oh ya, I watched the video with you and Eric working on the 04 mitib 2.4l. wow, goes to show you, never assume. That was quite the lesson in O2 operation. I guess you both had to let the smoke out of your heads after that job..lol. Great thorough diagnostic, TY.
EARL WITHERALL *their screw up. No they're.
Great tutorial. Keep up the good work.
Иван, хорошее короткое видео.Вопрос, почему у тебя нет ямы в гараже? Я в течение месяца сделал себе яму сам, хотя и не думал , что буду заниматься авто.А сейчас пригодилась!
It was slipping due to low oil due to a bad seal due to a bad mechanic?
Rebuilt with used parts? Got lucky he/she met with an honest mechanic; haven't met one in a long time. Miami,Florida
@ 1:47 The axle isn't even all the way in the hub... Wrong axle?
So what was the reason for the nut not being on as far as it should have been?
Yeah axle not quite the correct one lol
This is the reason you put a bit of grease on the Back of the seal to hold the spring in
I have done that multiple times in the past and end up disappointed. Seems the grease helps the spring pop off when the seal is being seated into place.
A cvt being driven low on fluid for a while, i bet that honda will return someday with a failing trans.
I got a 2016 civic with 136k miles mines is slipping when accelerating but not in cruise control and sometimes delays in acceleration frm stop... i had fluid changed for first time.
But it didnt stop however my right boot is torn i did have new axles put on from before but the slipping just started within 30 days could it be an after market axle no engine lights are on
Still better than the nissan cvt
Subaru seems to have the best one of all of them.
Toyota has the best
I've been told by some of the best mechanics in my area that Toyota and Honda ones are very reliable. Subaru has some proving to do since they just extended the warranty for vehicles having issues/failures. Only time will tell if Subaru can compete.
Nice save Comrade!
Tzastrovia!
I go through Central PA alot to NYC work on JLGs. I have a small pocket ociliscope can't figure it out maybe u can show me how to use it. I am buying a CAT ET scanner soon since I can't work on post 2012 machines now.
I meet up buy you a coffee ...or Russian Standard Vodka..
CVT make me run away...
They claim Ford's in NYC Taxis are holding up though.
I do my own trans fluid change but never replaced the filter only say drop & fill 4 1/2 quarts 2015 accord cvt
I have a 2018 Murano. A couple months ago I decided to have the transmission fluid changed preventatively at 90k miles. A few weeks later I started smelling a burning sulfur smell daily. Took it to mechanic, and they couldn’t find anything wrong. Now, only 4 months later at 97k miles, I started to feel my transmission slip a couple days ago (when shifting into 2nd gear), and my engine light came on yesterday.
Is this timing a coincidence, or could it be that the act of changing the fluid a few months ago led to the failure?
My 2020 civic has a very sensitive TPMS sensor and will trip easy sometimes. I often end up checking my tires and finding no faults.
Great job Ivan 👌
Bc off your channel my 2005tsx is running like new and is the baby of the house we only use it in the weekends
Wow good deal. I have a 2017 honda accord I change the transmission oil with Amsoil at 30,000 miles I just drain out 4 and put 4 new oil in. I noticed after the first change it was so much smoother.
I do that on my 2015 accord sport every 2 years regardless of the mileage , though the fluid is expensive at the dealership but still cheaper than replacing the entire cvt transmission. One advice though , stick to the OEM CVT fluid since its specifically designed for your honda's transmission
Got a part number for that seal? Can't seem to get one, on backorder
How does the car know if the tyre pressures are low using the. wheel speed indicators?
Did you do anything to the funky looking driveshaft and cv boots?
Ivan, did you get the goofy axle nut to fit properly? Great vid 👍
Just torqued it to "spec" and shipped it haha
What was the procedure for CVT fluid drain/refill?
If someone fitted different profile or different brand tyres, or if they replaced only the front tyres... Would that throw the speed comparison formula out of whack?
Ya it sure would.
That's part of the calibration. During the calibration the vehicle learns what normal values are. When the pressure in one tire gets low, the system detects that one wheel is spinning with a different speed than it used to relative to other wheels.
@@TomWishaupt Ya that's my favourite system because it's actually useful because ABS systems last a very long time and there simple I hate the new system because the sensers are so expensive to replace it's just a money wracked.
Yes. Passive TPMS is quite sensitive to that; but it can cause false triggering when the vehicle is parked in the sun for example. Also, you don't get a pressure reading; the system cannot tell you which tire is low (or high). But, no stupid sensors that love to go wrong or need to be adapted to the vehicle.
@@kain0m Ya to me I would much prefer have a system that I still have to manually check the pressures myself but know that the system will last the life of the car.
Something has happened front of that vehicle. There's no reason an axle would fail at that low of miles. Probably the car was hit and the left front suspension was damaged. Having a completely different Bolt would make sense. If you were just swapping an axle you would reuse the bolts. Glad they're transmission wasn't damaged. That sure is a very strange TPMS system.. especially for the 2014
They may have got used parts second hand. Everyone seems to be assuming it was a shop that did the repair, rather than a DIY job.
Not that it applies here but I worked on a Ford Escape. It had same problem. Ford had a "repair kit" which included a bushing seal and the stub shaft for CV axle.
Mystery Solved!! What happened was, the owner must have parked late at night in a Walmart parking lot and somebody stole the OEM axle and replaced it with that junky one. Happens all the time. Great video!
Thats impossible, axles take time to get out.
@@slowgoat6089 I don't know... sometimes those lines in Walmart can be pretty long.
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@😂😂😂allent1034
so glad that my 2014 Civic has 5 speed automatic
Uh oh, thanks! I have a 2015 corolla le with 10k miles but had taken off quickly and revved the tach to 6k sometimes! I'll ease back on CVT transmission after watching this!
Please drive your car like a grandpa/grandma I fear the way people drive cvts. I buy and sell cars and people think they can just treat their Nissan Sentra like a beater. Baby it or it’ll give out before she turns 80k
What's the name of your scanner?... Can you please send me the link to purchase it?
Ivan you are the man. Love your videos wish you were out in California lol.
I'll stay away from California for the time being hahaha
I think at one time that this car was in a accident . Ivan did you get any service history from the owner ??
She bought it like that, so history is questionable :)
I bought two cars before that had mechanical the other transmissions damage but it was actually a bent axel and a bad water pump 👍🏼.
Hey buddy
I wanted to ask that i have honda civic 2015 cvt transmission and its slipping alot as per the mechanic we need to change the transmission and they are telling me very expensive price for it 4000$ including labour charges but i am getting a 5 speed AT transmission from somewhere is it possible to install that one in place of CVT
No
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Did the transmission hold up
Check out 1:27---One of the driver side strut bolts are put in backwards!
Yes this was car was either in an accident or had some bad suspension damage and was repaired by an inexperienced mechanic.
While autoauctions.io would catch this if it went thru Copart/IAAA, this smells like an off-the-book fix that was done cheap and fast.
There's a brief moment near the beginning where you can see the driver's side front corner all scuffed up. Not sure if it's from the same incident but that's some coincidence. Wouldn't be surprised if someone kissed a high curb or guardrail in that thing and got a cut-rate fix.
The 2nd shop just said it’s a leak and leaves it at that?
yes, they need new transmission
Overfilling is not always a good idea. Honda give specific limits on the Jazz/Fit CVT oil level. The oil can become over pressurised or even foam leading to poorer lubrication.
Thanks for teaching you are awesome.
I’m surprised you didn’t put the little spring back in to repair the seal.
NO PARTS REQUIRED!
Hahaha!
Sometime s they get stretched loose tension and leak.
But in emergency I would.
That thought actually crossed my mind...but original rubber part might have been too stretched out and hardened after the years and miles... :)
Love your channel, I have an 04 Honda 2.4l element and I recently was running rich no codes no symptoms other than exhaust rich smell. Fuel trims at idle were about minus 13 both short and long with minimal improvement on acceleration. I first went ahead and readjusted all valves ( were tight) since it's a new to me 150k mileage car and now all my fuel trims have improved to minus 6 short term minus 3 long term. People on the forum don't believe that adjusting valves improved my trims. Can you tell me why it did something?
If it's a MAP engine, tight valves could have caused decreased intake vacuum and thus overfueling by the ECM. So makes sense!
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics thanks yes map engine. Still don't like that I have minus 7 at idle but will live with it for now. I have a new oem upstream sensor, new air filter, oem spark plugs, map reading looks good on my live data and throttle body is clean and not reading crazy either. I do have an exhaust leak before my upstream air fuel sensor but I would think that would get me lean positive? Any suggestions other than checking fuel pressure? Have no misfire so I doubt my fuel injectors are leaking. Thank you.
Check your knock sensor as well. I had a long 6 months of running rich, misfiring that would come and go on my 07 Accord 2.4. No one could figure it out and finally the check engine light came on after 6 months of questionable performance for the knock sensor. Runs great now 218,000 miles! I guess the sensor is known to get brittle over long periods of time.
@@midwestfarm757 thing is I get no symptoms no misfires. Just exhaust rich and a little poor acceleration. My cat is gutted so it's not that either. Thanks for the help.
@@paquesepas6696 Mine also ran rich too because the air filter housing, and tube can get leaky if not put back on correctly. I noticed my rubber pipe is cracking too with age. On the Accord, this leak sets off same code as oxygen sensor.
That car must have been down awhile also since they couldn't keep track of them big ass strut bolts. I hate losing anything.
There's a honda recall due to the axle clip , safety clip coming out of the axle shaft , just the way you found it , many cars are in the junk yard , due to the issue most because the axle pop out and the cars crashed, I just want to comment about it so people with this car,l from 08 through 2014 , knows about it , great video great
Wow really?? That's crazy!
Ya it happens quiete a bit - ua-cam.com/video/PE3IeIIOMbk/v-deo.html
Hi Ivan...Is the cvt a good transmission that last long? Also which brand is best with cvt ? Thanks
Stay away from CVTs!
The Aisin cvt on Toyota corollas are the best. Those have a solid launch gear that prevents the belt from stressing
They might perfect that transmission one day but the same thing happened to my 2014 Nissan Altima at about 50K miles.
At how many miles should i change the transmission oil on a cvt?
25k intervals
Bet that customer was happy! Axle seal instead of a CVT transmission - a few zeros off the bill, lol!
Gotta love these procedures where you have to drive around aimlessly (18 minutes!!) to get things to work. Ironically, they created these systems to save fuel ... yet you waste fuel driving around to calibrate them. Just like government logic! Ridiculousness. Anyway, nice work saving the customer several grand!
Can I come t your shop to have a check on my 2010 civic? I got front end problem ever since please. I live in NJ
What was up with the axel nut
My 2012 civic with 196k miles in second gear it is stuttering or shaking a little but over all the car shifts and runs fine. I was told it’s the transmission issue. I’m wondering if I change the filter and transmission oil if that possibly will fix it ? Because those things likely were never changed. Or if it’s a simple fix instead of a whole new transmission. Can anyone give me advice thanks 🙏
Update
Isn't this one of Honda's older CVTs that were recalled? Haven't heard of such issues in Honda's CVTs built from 2016-present
Does the TPMS monitor spare tires too? Most people forget that.
Spare tyre don't have sensor.
Sounds like you were the 3rd or 4th opinion. But she finally got it to the right shop
My youngest sibling just got a brand-new, 2020 Honda Civic sedan, slightly over a year ago. It has the CVT transmission. It could be better than this fairly older, 2014 Honda Civic sedan with the CVT. This one was a nightmare due to slow acceleration and slippage. I would definitely run away from this one and buy a used, 2018 Mazda 3 sedan with the 2.5 L Skyactiv four-cylinder engine and the six-speed automatic transmission with sport mode. They are a lot more reliable and they have more power for a compact vehicle.
I have a 2014 civic as my work car no problems 150k miles.
CVT's are such a gamble. I personally would never buy anything with one but if I had no choice I would buy one from Honda or Toyota only.
@@jockosboy17 i agree with you!! I also have a 2019 Accord Touring 2.0T
These CVT Honda's are starting to show up at auction and dealer trade in with 250,000 miles on the original CVT. Maybe a Nissan CVT would be more of a gamble in my opinion.
Lol my civic blasts any Mazda 3 and no issues with the cvt. You just gotta do the fluids changes like you are supposed to. I hammer down and let her eat so she doesn’t have an easy life.
Theres something on there part I have a civic that's identical exept mines silver and had a spoiler and it's got 150k miles and I've had no issues