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  • Опубліковано 16 лис 2024

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  • @martinkristian
    @martinkristian 2 роки тому +134

    It’s called Schöngraben/Türli, and is widely considered the most dangerous avalanche spot on the Arlberg. I spend almost a decade skiing the Arlberg but have never skied down there.

    • @lukassteck7449
      @lukassteck7449 2 роки тому +8

      Die Lappen haben einfach keinen Respekt vor dem Berg...

    • @morphyon
      @morphyon 2 роки тому +2

      Went there once with a ski school guide. Even he was absolutely careful. That exact spot, he was pushing the group out of the danger zone immediately. But that said, it was my best skiing day. 1 meter of early morning powder

    • @matthiasegger8489
      @matthiasegger8489 2 роки тому +1

      @@lukassteck7449 Was hat denn das mit dem zu tun du Clown?!

    • @wolfganglemke6312
      @wolfganglemke6312 2 роки тому +3

      In 40 years of skiing the Arlberg I was only twice able to do the Schöngraben. But have seen in that time several big avalanches which slided up to the bridge at Schöngrabenweg/Rodelbahn, one even crashed into Restaurant Tenne in Nasserein.

    • @loggiic
      @loggiic 2 роки тому +4

      Wow guys, these stories make me realize how stupid I was back in the day. I've skied St. Anton several times but I cannot say I know the terrain too good. I went out on a 80cm fresh snow day. I was alone. I have no idea how but I followed some guys and ended up doing this run. It turned out these were Freeride World Tour competitors. Sure enough a small avalanche went down in a very similar way to the avalanche in the video. We even waited at the same spot as in the video. Going there 3 minutes later and I would have been on the avalanche path. Crazy, how lucky we are sometimes without even realizing. Lesson learned for sure but I also feel cool to have snowboarded this rarely skied terrain.

  • @nicolasmetz5652
    @nicolasmetz5652 2 роки тому +130

    Considering the fact that you did not know how the avalanche was triggered and that, according to your own statement, the snow would have been sufficient for a full burial, it would have been exemplary to…
    1. search the avalanche quickly once with an avalanche transceiver
    2. also to report the negative avalanche via 140 Alpine emergency call and announce that you had no signal. The dispatch center can then decide on the further procedure.
    Even if the gully is not in the ski area, it can be seen from the valley. If no negative report is received, you risk a large-scale SAR operation that ties up rescue workers, who are not available for another avalanche accidents.
    Please pay attention in the future :)

    • @lucahasler906
      @lucahasler906 2 роки тому +6

      I was thinking about that as well. But seeing how it was triggered spontaneously/by someone else above with many similar loaded gullies ready to pop, how would you asses the risk of staying in this exposed area longer than absolutely necessary to conduct a clean search of the avalanche path? Just ride down real quick with the beacon out? sort of better something than nothing?
      Totally agree about calling SAR afterwards to describe incident.

    • @mettflow2648
      @mettflow2648 2 роки тому

      agree with calling SAR, don't agree with fucking with beacon, just gtfo as the whole area is pretty unstable

    • @nicolasmetz5652
      @nicolasmetz5652 2 роки тому +23

      ​@@mettflow2648 The gully and the slopes that were released are facing East - in the afternoon, there is no direct radiation coming in - as seen from the video. Therefore, as a avalanche commissioner myself, i`d NOT suspect this be a spontaneous slide due to warming as suggested in the video. Those gullies are all quite popular for skiing and the one that avalanched out is one of the ones typically skied later. So yes, while the location is absolutely bad and the risk is of course not zero, its definite not like the whole area is coming down any moment. There is no logical reason for that besides more ppl skiing in.
      Additionally, taking out your transceiver and searching the area takes less than a minute - literally! The search strip of any beacon is wide enough to search the full width of the gully in one pass and even if you would find a signal, you'd at least have clarity about the full situation and could act responsibly.

    • @jamiemerkler6825
      @jamiemerkler6825 2 роки тому +4

      @@nicolasmetz5652 was hoping someone more experienced than me could chime in with this exact type of insight. i thought them bailing without even pulling out their beacons seamed a bit irresponsible.

    • @TheSlipperySlope
      @TheSlipperySlope  2 роки тому +46

      That’s right. We really should have taken the minute to search the narrow strip.

  • @alexkhuri3967
    @alexkhuri3967 2 роки тому +7

    Thank you very much for not only sharing the footage, but sharing where all of your minds were when this happened. Navigating avalanche terrain is incredibly nuanced and the decision making that is involved plays a major role in outcome.

  • @MrIsomer
    @MrIsomer 2 роки тому +1

    Great sense of humor along with spot on narrative. I like this guy. Glad you all emerged unscathed.

  • @mikehenrick8407
    @mikehenrick8407 2 роки тому +14

    Glad you all were ok! That gully is a textbook terrain trap surrounded by complex terrain (multiple slope aspects above). In CO we teach terrain avoidance on days of elevated risk for this exact reason!

  • @lanceframlingham3975
    @lanceframlingham3975 Рік тому +2

    Thanks for sharing and for being so honest. A good reflection and lesson learned, thankfully no one was hurt. Locals know this area is dangerous, but it's so easy to get to and the top looks fine, so it's an easy mistake to make.
    Your channel is great, I just found it via this video. I love the variety of content and your regular beer breaks.

  • @roberttreborable
    @roberttreborable 2 роки тому +1

    Thank you for posting this at the start of the season.

  • @lasseh1576
    @lasseh1576 2 роки тому +2

    Thanks for the reminder. Good stuff! Ready for the season!

  • @mikaellindroos1594
    @mikaellindroos1594 2 роки тому

    Thanks for the video and many Nice skiing days for everybody.

  • @massimocavalli1689
    @massimocavalli1689 2 роки тому +3

    Nice video and you play your jolly today, was not really a mistake, was more we can ski everywhere and be lucky, but what else

  • @dacat8171
    @dacat8171 2 роки тому +3

    Thank you for this insight!
    And Happy Birthday again ☝🏿

  • @michaelpfarley
    @michaelpfarley 2 роки тому +2

    Thanks for this. Great real world example.

  • @ArnasKiskys
    @ArnasKiskys 2 роки тому +9

    I think the spot where you stopped to wait for your friends was not ideal either. Last year I did the same mistake with my friends and 5 out of 8 of us were tumbled in an avalanche. Luckily it was the flat bottom, so it stopped soon enough not to cause any burials or injuries.

  • @timhafner255
    @timhafner255 2 роки тому +5

    Would have been a good idea to quickly run a search with your transceivers.. could have been someone in there

  • @skatema87
    @skatema87 2 роки тому +1

    Thank you for sharing this experience and the learning out of it!

  • @lucahasler906
    @lucahasler906 2 роки тому +13

    Nice presentation, thanks for sharing, good lesson for everyone.
    I would suggest a second aspect on how to mitigate some risk in such a situation apart from being aware of overhead hazards: Tactical group movements as we use them while ascending should also be strictly used on the descent, despite the thrill which skiing may have. In this example that would mean the following:
    -Stopping only in islands of safety if at all available (i.e. not below the gully, but below a ridge or other terrain feature which will deflect an oncoming avalanche. arguably hard in your terrain, but a few meters further up and back seems somewhat protected. Or then don't stop there but ski a bit further until such a place becomes available)
    -Spreading out your group in exposed terrain (in this case, keeping at least 10 m horizontal separation while stopped). Not only lowers risk of triggering an avalanche yourself, but decreases the chance of the entire group being caught in a spontaneous or otherwise triggered avalanche coming from above. Which means you have a chance of buddy rescue (though I'm not so sure how survivable this avalanche would have been).
    Requires a bit of discipline in the group and some getting used to, but in the end you're much safer in the backcountry while still skiing the same nice lines.
    Once again, thanks for sharing and this is not meant as a critique but just an addition to your analysis to help others prevent such situations.

    • @TheSlipperySlope
      @TheSlipperySlope  2 роки тому +3

      Totally agree. Originally I wanted to mention, that people shouldn't just train beacon search, but also the correct procedure within your group when shit hits the fan, i.e. safe spots, turning beacons to search, so the searcher doesn't get a false signal, phone numbers for rescue, correct shovelling and probing, etc..
      This was a strange event where wrong time at the wrong place makes all the difference. The stuff directly behind us wasn't a problem. So if I were to ski this again, I'd try to pick the best safe spot that's the least likely to get hit and leaves options somewhat open.

    • @lucahasler906
      @lucahasler906 2 роки тому

      @@TheSlipperySlope Good point. Training all these additional things so that hopefully any shit flying your way just about misses the fan and you never have to use your beacon searching skills!
      Wrong time, wrong place, but I have to say, lightning fast reaction! I've discussed "skiing away from an approaching avalanche" with many people and I didn't really think one would be fast enough. Good instincts!

    • @finproductions
      @finproductions Рік тому

      @The Slippery Slope what do you mean IF you ski this again? NO!! You do NOT ski this again, ever, no matter the avi level, it is not worth the risk. The normal Schoengraben route is far skiers right, the less steep open area next to the forest. Turlli is not worth skiing, EVER, if you ski the very top make sure you cut back to the T-bar. PLEASE amend your video and make sure your viewers understand this.

  • @Marko-sh5tn
    @Marko-sh5tn 10 місяців тому

    Level 3 avalanche level is "Like a SHREDinger's cat" 😆 love it!

  • @Mario-gt3ui
    @Mario-gt3ui 2 роки тому +1

    Triggered a small avalanche in 2020 on the exact same valley in the upper part. Schöngraben is freaking dangerous, especially when the surrounding is warming up.

  • @feliperonderos9733
    @feliperonderos9733 2 роки тому +3

    There's a very high likelihood that your group remotely triggered the avalanche from below. Although I don't know a whole lot about avalanches, something I have found very surprising is just how underappreciated the risk of remote triggering is. I believe ~90% of incidents are triggered by those involved, many from above. Stay safe and avoid overhead hazards when they are prone to slide

  • @Johndolk
    @Johndolk 2 роки тому +1

    I never forget my first season i St. Anton in 1995... The very first night upon arrival there was a very sad atmosphere among the seasoneres, a young swedish guy died in an avalanche during that day. - spend two seasons there but never had the guts to try Schöngraben

  • @beeegeeedeee
    @beeegeeedeee 2 роки тому +7

    Looks like you're skiing Turli, locals and experienced season workers regard it as one to avoid unless conditions are super safe due to the terrain trap that you highlighted, and as you said 3 is that funny number., and then once it is safe it is no longer that enjoyable to ski. Often in the spring you see a bunch of very large self releases coming down into there from above generally in the afternoon once it starts getting the sun. However skiing in Spring 2020 did n't really happen. Stay safe, thanks for your video and skiing down from Anton apres is far more fun. 😁

  • @jeffmurray6219
    @jeffmurray6219 2 роки тому +2

    I’ve skied the Torli several times over the years but never on a powder day , it’s far too dangerous. It’s super narrow with rocks on either side, a real death zone when their is a risk of avalanche.

  • @remcovanleeuwen8727
    @remcovanleeuwen8727 Рік тому

    you got real lucky this is why i like to stay on piste , but cool movie and nice skiing in the other movies

  • @zottysnow
    @zottysnow 2 роки тому

    thanks for sharing, I would say a rather bad spot for waiting at the others…

  • @calvinhall4878
    @calvinhall4878 Рік тому

    Just got back from St.Anton...fantastic resort!...never considered this area...glad I didn't.

  • @Diomedes_XXII
    @Diomedes_XXII 2 роки тому

    Love the Grand Budapest cut. Noice

  • @pete.thismoment
    @pete.thismoment 2 роки тому +5

    Great combination of funny and informative - people will remember it because of both (and the skiing down in a blizzard after After Ski). Nice job!

  • @KonaSatori
    @KonaSatori Рік тому

    You are so hilarious, I cant stop watching your videos!

  • @starriderstudios
    @starriderstudios 2 роки тому

    Glad you are safe

  • @hidonezech_6391
    @hidonezech_6391 2 роки тому +18

    How do you not have more subs, the content is awesome and incredible skiing and terrain! Keep it up!!

  • @saureeeegogo
    @saureeeegogo 2 роки тому +3

    While you are on your at least a decade lasting journey of learning about avalanche safety you shouls dig deep into terrain reading first. Before we can make an actual decision whether the snow is steady or not (not the illusion people get from a couple of snow pits) we should learn about how to keep ourselves safe if something goes wrong. For example the place where you stopped to gather up with your group was a really scary spot. If you are stopping in the middle of slope always try to find a highground from opposite site of the chute/line the avalanche could come from. You were really lucky she noticed something on her way down.
    I know everyone's telling here what to do even tho we all can make mistakes but because you didn't talk anything about the biggest mistake you made I wanted to point it out.

  • @remdehair.
    @remdehair. 2 роки тому +1

    Great video, thanks

  • @xenon2561
    @xenon2561 2 роки тому +2

    what camera do you use for the skiing footage? crazy video too wow

  • @SvobodaPeter
    @SvobodaPeter 2 роки тому

    Thank you for the very informative video. I have a question. Did you inform the Tyrol control centre (140 - Mountain Rescue) about the negative avalanche release?

  • @shortytwoface
    @shortytwoface 2 роки тому +1

    underrated

  • @TobiasHess_
    @TobiasHess_ 2 роки тому +2

    Auf den Schreck würde ich auch erstmal ein Bier trinken. 😄

  • @mountainmoments
    @mountainmoments 2 роки тому +7

    Nicht ein Fehler - zu viele Fehler in so kurzer Zeit.

  • @sandersson2813
    @sandersson2813 2 роки тому

    Had some scary moments in Arlberg, close call off the back of Riffel 2 in Rendl and another in Lech with slips, cracks and "whoomp" (the muffled sound a pack makes before slipping)
    In my opinion St Anton is the greatest resort and I loved my two seasons there. Back again for a holiday in March

  • @1Flyingfist
    @1Flyingfist 2 роки тому +1

    Reactions!💪👌
    At least you weren't like I guy in another video, sitting there saying omg, untilthe last possible second. 🤡
    Glad you got away safely. 🙏You look like you need that beer 😅

  • @romanhuber89
    @romanhuber89 Рік тому

    Schöngraben? Mein Papa ist da leider auch mal in eine Lawine geraten - Ist GSD alles gut ausgegangen. Schöngraben am besten immer schnell durch 🙈

  • @whitebeltforlife5271
    @whitebeltforlife5271 2 роки тому +1

    🔥

  • @richardallen1555
    @richardallen1555 2 роки тому

    St Anton had some huge avalanches the season I worked there

  • @timkirkpatrick9155
    @timkirkpatrick9155 2 роки тому

    worst avalanche risk is 30dgree slopes. steeper release easier and sooner. Based on international avalanche hazards assessment tools.

    • @sandersson2813
      @sandersson2813 2 роки тому

      38 degrees is the worst. 30 is pretty shallow

  • @HansSchulzBalzers
    @HansSchulzBalzers 2 роки тому +2

    Luckily you came down with your ski and not in black bag. It is always easy to comment in hindsight on avalanches. But just looking on the map and checking the steepness of the surrounding terrain it should be a no go to ski there at avalanche level 3 for a cautious alpinist.
    I assume you know the "Reduktionsmethode". Level 3 (in German erheblich or substantially or vastly) becomes level 4 at a slope of 35 to 40° depending on different factors. This means what you skied was not the shitty level 3 as you called it but the dangerous level 4.

  • @edoardomarchi9195
    @edoardomarchi9195 Рік тому

    Heyyyy what's up, I been to St. Anton a few times and always wanted to go freeride. So my question is if I ever go bad could I contact u to go with me for some freeriding ?

  • @nickdambrosia2304
    @nickdambrosia2304 2 роки тому +2

    Wild that you got that on film! Nice edit too. Great work

  • @raynardi2326
    @raynardi2326 2 роки тому

    .....e non sciare fuori dalle piste!

  • @JackFate76
    @JackFate76 2 роки тому

    Schrödingers Cat is not dead or not. It’s both things simultaneously. That’s what makes it special. Your snow ain’t like that.

  • @nasdrio
    @nasdrio 2 роки тому

    v useful thx

  • @freeskier1414
    @freeskier1414 Рік тому

    Alles top auch gut das du auch zeigst was passieren kann auch bei stufe 3 aber ea gehört normal unbedingt ins video das man nach einen Lawinenabgang die bergwacht informiert das alles in ordung ist und keiner verschüttet wurde

    • @auf_Powdersuche
      @auf_Powdersuche 10 місяців тому

      Zustimmung bis auf die Aussage „auch bei Stufe 3“, das suggeriert, dass 3 nicht viel ist. Drei ist erheblich und hat die meisten Lawinenopfer, bei 4 sollte man nicht mehr ins Gelände

  • @sandersson2813
    @sandersson2813 2 роки тому

    Instantly knew where that was. Couple of noobs died there one year I was there.

  • @manfredmaser1747
    @manfredmaser1747 2 роки тому

    Every local, skiier or snowboarder, would NOT do that in november, regards from vorarlberg

  • @knutovekihle5001
    @knutovekihle5001 2 роки тому +1

    Congrats on finaly getting the subscibers you deserve! Allways entertaining, and love the dry humor. Greetings from an experienced après skier. ;-)

  • @stevenmcbain7422
    @stevenmcbain7422 Місяць тому

    Thanks for sharing

  • @h3x0r1984
    @h3x0r1984 2 роки тому +1

    Remote triggering from your part maybe? You all gathered in the gulley below the problematic area which you pointed. Also, at least 2 signs of avalanche rick were the small snowballs and the existing avalanche on that culoir.

    • @ssansu
      @ssansu 2 роки тому

      They were also yelling

    • @h3x0r1984
      @h3x0r1984 2 роки тому

      Don't think that yelling can influence there. You can read about remote triggering in Bruce Temper's book, How to stay alive in avalanche terrain.

  • @loggiic
    @loggiic 2 роки тому +1

    Wow guys, these stories make me realize how stupid I was back in the day. I've skied St. Anton several times but I cannot say I know the terrain too good. I went out on a 80cm fresh snow day. I was alone. I have no idea how but I followed some guys and ended up doing this run. Sure enough a small avalanche went down in a very similar way to the avalanche in the video. We even waited at the same spot as in the video. Going there 3 minutes later and I would have been on the avalanche path. Crazy, how lucky we are sometimes without even realizing. Lesson learned for sure but I also feel cool to have snowboarded this rarely skied terrain.

    • @loggiic
      @loggiic 2 роки тому +1

      Actually which day was that? The whole situation looks so much like the situation I had!!!! Was it 28.02.2020????? Even the group I followed was two dudes and a girl !!!

  • @omaral-khatab9192
    @omaral-khatab9192 2 роки тому +1

    “Holy sht “ ha well I’m sad that the
    Avalanche didn’t get you but hopefully next time it will 😂

  • @linusnilsson2377
    @linusnilsson2377 2 роки тому

    I've skied down there once from my whole season in sankt anton don't do it not worth the risk

  • @InsideAlps
    @InsideAlps Рік тому

    Sadly, two persons lost their lives on that very same route yesterday (Feb, 4th, 2023) - RIP

  • @nobodyisbest
    @nobodyisbest 2 роки тому +8

    3 is fucking dangerous. 5 doesn't ever occur, except in extreme circumstances. Look at the effin definition of 3: considerable avalanche danger.

    • @TheSlipperySlope
      @TheSlipperySlope  2 роки тому +6

      Agreed. Didn't mean to downplay it. Too many people have a false perception of level 3 because it lies in the middle.

    • @mettflow2648
      @mettflow2648 2 роки тому

      5 happens fair amount but if you go off piste during 5 you imo deserve to die, natural selection at that point

  • @badcampa2641
    @badcampa2641 2 роки тому

    iv been there twice and i broke a bone each time

  • @MrGbot2000
    @MrGbot2000 2 роки тому

    What is the movie clip from?

  • @Fly1ngStep
    @Fly1ngStep 2 роки тому

    am i the only one crying about the comparison he made with a cat who gives you a false sense of safety 🤣🤣🤣

    • @EvanHT
      @EvanHT 2 роки тому

      Yes. Cause the rest of us use the experiment almost colloquially and find it a very banal comparison.
      Be like hearing someone say the term “hot potato” and losing your mind. The fuq you crying about?

  • @MSchon-qf3fl
    @MSchon-qf3fl 2 роки тому

    Stopping in a terrain trap?!

  • @younglink6863
    @younglink6863 2 роки тому +3

    great vid.. be safe…please make more st.anton videos .. would love to visit one day

  • @helaineboyd
    @helaineboyd 2 роки тому +2

    Oh yeah this doesn’t make me nervous for your safety at all 😅

  • @Swiss_Hikehub
    @Swiss_Hikehub 2 роки тому

    Sorry but you always have to be aware of the terrain around you and it's dangers....glad you were so lucky

  • @gigiruf4109
    @gigiruf4109 2 роки тому +1

    Ha ha skiers as usual:
    Stands in an avalanche hazard area in worst snow conditions and looks up and says "here is dangerous, an avalanche could come down"

    • @TheSlipperySlope
      @TheSlipperySlope  2 роки тому +2

      Naturally. A snowboarder would be sitting instead 😉

    • @gigiruf4109
      @gigiruf4109 2 роки тому

      @@TheSlipperySlope siiiick bro

  • @arisperlich76
    @arisperlich76 2 роки тому

    Hätte man in der Situation schon seinen Airbag gezogen wenn man einen dabei hat?

  • @AndyLaufer
    @AndyLaufer 2 роки тому

    boah krass, der Speed von dem Teil is ja abartig. 2. Geburtstag würd ich sagen :)

  • @makaronie08
    @makaronie08 2 роки тому

    lets get the fuck out of here? LMMAO 3:32
    Check LVS... Maybe somebody in from above?
    Move to the side which is enloaded and start pieps! And then get fast out of it because of the other Mountain side
    But Adrenaline kicks, iam just a smart ass right now in front of the video I Stopped it 10 times

  • @andreaswimmer6864
    @andreaswimmer6864 2 роки тому

    Dummerl, the guly is not steep but everything funneling into the guly was

  • @awsafdar7066
    @awsafdar7066 2 роки тому

    Holy fuck, what kind of a slang is that.

  • @dylanmartin9190
    @dylanmartin9190 3 місяці тому

    Schöngraben

  • @AirV460
    @AirV460 2 роки тому

    Ho Lee Fak

  • @sendinit6413
    @sendinit6413 2 роки тому

    I always stay out of gullies after a fresh dump. I may have taken that run but would have ski'd along the ridges

  • @rh7407
    @rh7407 2 роки тому +1

    Everything over level 2 is to dangerous. This I learned 30 years ago in St. Anton from a ski teacher.
    So why are people go with open arms in such stupid situations?

    • @Gottenhimfella
      @Gottenhimfella 2 роки тому

      Seriously, it's not possible to apply a yes/no limit to an entire locale: every danger has a context.
      And hazard levels are a blanket assessment: some terrain and aspects will be much more dangerous than others within that blanket.
      To put it another way:
      Driving on wet roads is dangerous.
      Let alone icy roads.
      Stay home, people !
      (Irony)

  • @gg12123
    @gg12123 Рік тому

    2 people just died there