The fact Stephen Fry knows my hometown exists gives me great satisfaction. I will settle in my grave with an inner peace and sense of accomplishment I did not possess before.
+under_six_feet I had the same weird sensation, it is so insignificant of an occurrence yet such an suithing idea for the soul. We can die in peace now.
People calling The Netherlands, Holland is actually a lot like people calling Great Britain, England. Which I think happens a lot. Especially in Holland :)
Ehm, no.... calling Great Britain, England is like calling The Kingdom of the Netherlands, The Netherlands. As in, The Kingdom of the Netherlands actually consists of several countries including The Netherlands, in the same way that Great Britain consists of multiple countries including England.
As a Brit who lives in Groningen, I absolutely disagree! There’s no way Groningen looks like Guilford or any other British city… it’s way too cheerful!
I actually think calling the UK England is a more apt comparison in the sense that you take the politically, financially and culturally most influential part as the whole. And those outside of that part resent you for it extra ;-)
I can't thank this show enough for stressing that The Netherlands is the country and Holland is the name for North Holland and South Holland, which only covers about 20% of the country. I live in The Netherlands, but not in Holland. It sounds pedantic because people know what you mean, but it's indeed like saying England is the entire UK or California is the entire US.
I am from North Holland but now live in Groningen. I'd say strike a deal, if you call the Netherlands "Holland", then we will call the UK "England". Which lots of people do.
And here I am wondering if this is just another one of those algorithm hiccups or it knows that I live in Groningen and thought it would be interesting
@Hans De Vries, I think I have to agree with Anteroinen on this one, although England is a country and not a province. The name "England" is often colloquially thought of/treated as a _pars pro toto_ term for the United Kingdom, in a similar way to how the name "Holland" is often colloquially thought of/treated as a _pars pro toto_ term for the Netherlands. (By the way, _Holland_ is not a province either, it refers to a region of the Netherlands that consists of _two_ provinces.)
@@yurenchu Moreover, it has a closer emotional punch to it. Because if you compare the Netherlands-Holland issue to calling Britain "East Anglia", people are just going to chuckle, because it sounds absurd. No one would do that, so people don't really grasp that it annoys some people and is not just a matter of pedantic snobbery. Meanwhile (British) people do actually find it rude/improper/incorrect if you say that "Loch Ness is in England", even though such usage is common almost everywhere else and people do not really tend to think of Scotland as a "country" at all.
@Anteroinen, Agreed. However, I have a feeling that this emotional punch is a more sensitive issue in the UK, than it is in the Netherlands. (For example, I get the impression that everyone here in the Netherlands will be singing "Hup, Holland, hup!" when our national Oranje team is competing in any international soccer competition; but I live in Holland myself, so I could be wrong though.) So maybe that's why Stephen Fry rather went with "East Anglia" as a less loaded, illustrative example.
@@KekelMyShekel First of all. Chill. I am not some kind of supervillain trying to end the world. Nor am I your ex. Secondly... You never know. This comment did not really seem like a joke at all. The internet is a wonderful place, where you never know in what context or tone a comment is made.
QI series G aired in 2009-2010. Vianen did not become part of the province of Utrecht until 2019, so the shown border of Zuid-Holland with Utrecht was correct at the time. Texel, on the other hand, is definitely a sloppy mistake. (And possibly Goeree-Overflakkee as well, it's difficult to see with the low quality and "The Hague" superimposed over it.)
When I learnt to speak English, I understood that they often refer to my country as 'Holland' or 'The Netherlands'. Since I find the former easier to say, I now also often refer to my country as Holland. But now I've learnt from this video that Holland is not the name of my country, but may only be used to refer to the two provinces called 'Noord-Holland' and 'Zuid-Holland'. Still, I think using the word 'Holland' is easier. Should I change my language?
I mean, do you like being correct about things? If so, change it. I just say "the NL". As a Groninger, if my English inlaws say I'm from Holland I always make sure to tell them I love their homeland, Wales.
To be fair, we in the Netherlands also say "Holland" when we mean the Netherlands. "Hup Holland!" every international football match. We don't just mean those two provinces. The whole country. It's technically true what QI is saying but we don't use it like that. Second. I'm Western Frysian while living in North of Holland, while we have a Frysian Province which is at the opposite side of the middle lake, IJsselmeer. We are a strange country.
Ehm, I'm from Groningen and I, and many Northeners with me, do take a massive offense to people calling the whole country by the name of two provinces. I have never cheered for "Holland". So, yes, we do use it like that, and calling Nederland "Holland" will get you cussed out of here. The fact that you are from one of the Hollands and don't realise the outlying provinces take offense is part of the problem, mate.
Utrecht calling: This country is called the Netherlands. We dont like the Amsterdam like attitude to call the whole country, or even worse, as seen in some tourist guides: Amsterdam. (i.e. calling Zandvoort: Amsterdam Beach, or worse, calling the whole province of Friesland: Amsterdam Lake District, or what people often forget: Schiphol, Amsterdam Airport, which is located in Haarlemermeer).
Well, it's about 175km from Groningen to Arnhem. That is roughly half of the biggest distance you can travel in the Netherlands. A Dutch would not call that close.
Teaching the wrong thing. Holland is just another name, like a nickname, of the Netherlands, so the Netherlands = Holland. The fact that the name originates from the provinces Noord-(North) Holland and Zuid-(South)Holland doesn't dispute this.
@@marcelmittendorf833 What nonsense, we're all Dutch. What do people Dutch people shout at a football match when the Dutch team plays? "Hooolland * clap clap clap *"
The fact that he din't mention that Groningen resides in Groningen (the province) is beyond me.
Just wait till you learn about the city of Utrecht
Exactly, I was waiting for him to say that!
@@quintenvana that's exactly the same
Where is moskou?
@@Martin-qw4km Amsterdam
Stephen was so intent on pronouncing the first G correctly that he did the same with the second G.
Anyway, the correct pronunciation is "Stad".
XD
Agreed.
Lekker eehm op fietse noar stad
Poor overcorrective Fry
@@Amitlu you didn’t get the joke, as only Groningers actually got the joke.
Haha. Welkom in Grunnin Gen.
Naja grunn is wel gronings voor groningen dus groningers zijn grunnigers
kkkkk
Gruningse zunnigheid
RIP pub that had been open 24/7 for 19 years
Welke?
which one was it? I’ve lived here for five years and could have sworn there is no such place..
@@DewyPeters96 Santana
The fact Stephen Fry knows my hometown exists gives me great satisfaction. I will settle in my grave with an inner peace and sense of accomplishment I did not possess before.
+under_six_feet I had the same weird sensation, it is so insignificant of an occurrence yet such an suithing idea for the soul. We can die in peace now.
Pub: _we're non-stop open for 18 years_
Covid: _Hi there_
People calling The Netherlands, Holland is actually a lot like people calling Great Britain, England. Which I think happens a lot. Especially in Holland :)
Or in america or france. They do the same.
No its not 😂 Holland isn't a country and the Netherlands isn't a union. England is a country and great Britain is a union.
Which is why a wrote "a lot like" and not "the same as". ^^;;
Ehm, no.... calling Great Britain, England is like calling The Kingdom of the Netherlands, The Netherlands. As in, The Kingdom of the Netherlands actually consists of several countries including The Netherlands, in the same way that Great Britain consists of multiple countries including England.
Great Britain excludes Northern Ireland.
I am blij that my Engelands is good genoeg to understand dit video.
very blij inderdeed
He de voetbaltrainer van platinum!
@@z.b.95 Ei ken not understend joe if joe doe not koet engklish spiek
Wanneer texel niet onderdeel Noord-Holland is lijkt de kaart voor mij toch altijd een beetje verkeerd
@Ikreisrond ah fuck ja, ik zeg altijd: oh Zeeland, leuk. Stom hè.
As a Brit who lives in Groningen, I absolutely disagree! There’s no way Groningen looks like Guilford or any other British city… it’s way too cheerful!
Calling the Netherlands Holland is like calling the UK England.
Perhaps it’s more like calling England Sussex since it’s more like a province as both Holland’s are in the Netherlands.
I actually think calling the UK England is a more apt comparison in the sense that you take the politically, financially and culturally most influential part as the whole. And those outside of that part resent you for it extra ;-)
And on top of that, we mostly do in the Netherlands and many other countries
@@Snowshowslow I resent this!!! 😂😂😂😂😂😂
If only they made a joke about that at 1:22... what a missed opportunity
Ah yes, how confusing for you outsiders. But the second g is not pronounced seperately.
The "ng" in "groningen" is pronounced like in the English "going"...
OHJAJOH
Iedereen hier is Nederlands
@@timkerkhoftoch because of algorithme en kolonisatie
@@TayyebK I hear not what you say 😜
@@timkerkhoftoch oh no? Wel, meebie dis helps. If ai tolk laik dis, is it better den?
Still wrong. Texel is part of North Holland
I guess the streak of being open for 10 years is being brutally frustrated by our lovely pendamic friend called Corona.
So you're saying that pub's opening streak has been ruined by Mexican beer?
"Yeah, we all think like that. We're all the same." Brilliant Jimmy Carr!
The people who live in or around Groningen just call it "de stad"
creatief hoor die Groningers
Eigenlijk Stad, zonder "de"
Joa mienjong ik bin van de weke ook nog eem in Stad west
@@Denni55 is de enige stad die er toe doet mien jong
Dat doet heel nederland kut
I can't thank this show enough for stressing that The Netherlands is the country and Holland is the name for North Holland and South Holland, which only covers about 20% of the country. I live in The Netherlands, but not in Holland. It sounds pedantic because people know what you mean, but it's indeed like saying England is the entire UK or California is the entire US.
And jimmy is going to do a show in Groningen in oktober
I am from North Holland but now live in Groningen. I'd say strike a deal, if you call the Netherlands "Holland", then we will call the UK "England". Which lots of people do.
Groeten uut Grunn 050💪
"A pub that claims to be open non-stop for 10 years" well, well, well
watching from Leiden, South-Holland
That joke at the end was genius, hahaha
And here I am wondering if this is just another one of those algorithm hiccups or it knows that I live in Groningen and thought it would be interesting
Can I just say that that map is incorrect since the first island above mainland North Holland is also part of North Holland
You know, clearly the more appropriate comparison would've been calling Britain England not "East Anglia".
No it wouldn't, England is a country not a province. Norfolk would be more accurate.
@Hans De Vries, I think I have to agree with Anteroinen on this one, although England is a country and not a province. The name "England" is often colloquially thought of/treated as a _pars pro toto_ term for the United Kingdom, in a similar way to how the name "Holland" is often colloquially thought of/treated as a _pars pro toto_ term for the Netherlands.
(By the way, _Holland_ is not a province either, it refers to a region of the Netherlands that consists of _two_ provinces.)
@@yurenchu Moreover, it has a closer emotional punch to it. Because if you compare the Netherlands-Holland issue to calling Britain "East Anglia", people are just going to chuckle, because it sounds absurd. No one would do that, so people don't really grasp that it annoys some people and is not just a matter of pedantic snobbery. Meanwhile (British) people do actually find it rude/improper/incorrect if you say that "Loch Ness is in England", even though such usage is common almost everywhere else and people do not really tend to think of Scotland as a "country" at all.
@Anteroinen, Agreed. However, I have a feeling that this emotional punch is a more sensitive issue in the UK, than it is in the Netherlands. (For example, I get the impression that everyone here in the Netherlands will be singing "Hup, Holland, hup!" when our national Oranje team is competing in any international soccer competition; but I live in Holland myself, so I could be wrong though.)
So maybe that's why Stephen Fry rather went with "East Anglia" as a less loaded, illustrative example.
G E K O L O N I S E E R D
Stem FvD
@@DH-zs8cu Als je een extreem rechts gekkie bent, ja
@@DH-zs8cu nah
The g isnt gutteral after in in Dutch
Sorry, but Groningen is in Suriname and doesn't look at all like the picture shown.
The Groningen in Suriname is named after this Groningen.
Suriname was a Dutch colony after all :)
Same goes for Wageningen, for example
@@timonheidema6837 its a fucking joke you dense idiot
@@KekelMyShekel First of all. Chill. I am not some kind of supervillain trying to end the world. Nor am I your ex.
Secondly... You never know. This comment did not really seem like a joke at all. The internet is a wonderful place, where you never know in what context or tone a comment is made.
@@timonheidema6837 Nou ja, ik lees het wel als grap. Maar die gast boven je had wel ff rustaaagh mogen doen ja.
@@timkerkhoftoch Ieder zijn ding. Zal vast niet de enige zijn die het niet als grap opvatte.
Jimmy, genius
i think out of all countries the Dutch and. British always had the most in common
idk, Denmark and the Netherlands are pretty close too.
The map is wrong. Texel (biggest island) is part of Noord-Holland. And Zuid-Holland apparently stole a piece of Utrecht.
QI series G aired in 2009-2010. Vianen did not become part of the province of Utrecht until 2019, so the shown border of Zuid-Holland with Utrecht was correct at the time. Texel, on the other hand, is definitely a sloppy mistake. (And possibly Goeree-Overflakkee as well, it's difficult to see with the low quality and "The Hague" superimposed over it.)
Grunn, gek!
When I learnt to speak English, I understood that they often refer to my country as 'Holland' or 'The Netherlands'. Since I find the former easier to say, I now also often refer to my country as Holland. But now I've learnt from this video that Holland is not the name of my country, but may only be used to refer to the two provinces called 'Noord-Holland' and 'Zuid-Holland'. Still, I think using the word 'Holland' is easier. Should I change my language?
I mean, do you like being correct about things? If so, change it. I just say "the NL". As a Groninger, if my English inlaws say I'm from Holland I always make sure to tell them I love their homeland, Wales.
To be fair, we in the Netherlands also say "Holland" when we mean the Netherlands. "Hup Holland!" every international football match. We don't just mean those two provinces. The whole country. It's technically true what QI is saying but we don't use it like that. Second. I'm Western Frysian while living in North of Holland, while we have a Frysian Province which is at the opposite side of the middle lake, IJsselmeer. We are a strange country.
Ehm, I'm from Groningen and I, and many Northeners with me, do take a massive offense to people calling the whole country by the name of two provinces. I have never cheered for "Holland". So, yes, we do use it like that, and calling Nederland "Holland" will get you cussed out of here. The fact that you are from one of the Hollands and don't realise the outlying provinces take offense is part of the problem, mate.
Utrecht calling: This country is called the Netherlands. We dont like the Amsterdam like attitude to call the whole country, or even worse, as seen in some tourist guides: Amsterdam. (i.e. calling Zandvoort: Amsterdam Beach, or worse, calling the whole province of Friesland: Amsterdam Lake District, or what people often forget: Schiphol, Amsterdam Airport, which is located in Haarlemermeer).
Groind in gen🤣🤣🤣
In groningen betalen ze nog met guldens.
Groningen is close to Arnhem (the bridge too far). The whole district looks like it should be in Norfolk.
Well, it's about 175km from Groningen to Arnhem. That is roughly half of the biggest distance you can travel in the Netherlands. A Dutch would not call that close.
Utrecht is much 'closer' to Arnhem. A mere 60 kilometers.
Gronning GGen
grønigen
Holland. Pars pro toto anyone? Groningen therefore IS in Holland
Nope
en terecht
Mispronounces Hague tho...
Nobody said Friesland :^|
Teaching the wrong thing. Holland is just another name, like a nickname, of the Netherlands, so the Netherlands = Holland. The fact that the name originates from the provinces Noord-(North) Holland and Zuid-(South)Holland doesn't dispute this.
Except perhaps that most people outside of the provinces of Holland take exception to the Netherlands being called Holland.
@@marcelmittendorf833 What do you mean by 'take exception'?
@@paddotk I mean they generally don't like being denied their provincial identity by being lumped in with the people of Holland.
@@marcelmittendorf833 What nonsense, we're all Dutch. What do people Dutch people shout at a football match when the Dutch team plays? "Hooolland * clap clap clap *"
@@paddotk I have never said that in my entire life. Ik ben Nederlander, geen Hollander.
Als je uit Zeeland komt noem je jezelf ook geen Groninger.
i thank them for explaining to their lads about holland not being the entire netherlands.